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Post by ukron on Jan 26, 2022 6:13:17 GMT
Designed in parallel to the He-177 (and not jointly), the He 277 nevertheless takes a lot of the He 177B in its design and its role as a very long range bomber. Developed from 1943, the bomber should have been equipped with a tricycle landing gear, 4 DB-603 engines and a range of MG-151 remote-controlled turrets. The Germany-Manhattan flight is possible provided you carry only 3000kg of bombs. Three prototypes are envisaged as well as a small series production, but the project falls through in 1944. Representation of the Heinkel He.277B heavy bomber project in 1944, a more advanced version of the Heinkel He.177. No cells were built because German industry no longer had the means to produce such aircraft in 1944 and priority was given to fighters.  |
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Post by stevep on Jan 26, 2022 16:46:51 GMT
Designed in parallel to the He-177 (and not jointly), the He 277 nevertheless takes a lot of the He 177B in its design and its role as a very long range bomber. Developed from 1943, the bomber should have been equipped with a tricycle landing gear, 4 DB-603 engines and a range of MG-151 remote-controlled turrets. The Germany-Manhattan flight is possible provided you carry only 3000kg of bombs. Three prototypes are envisaged as well as a small series production, but the project falls through in 1944. Representation of the Heinkel He.277B heavy bomber project in 1944, a more advanced version of the Heinkel He.177. No cells were built because German industry no longer had the means to produce such aircraft in 1944 and priority was given to fighters.
Going that way with only 3,000kg of ordnance would never have been practical especially since loss rates would be huge given that any a/c that suffers damage or for whatever reason runs low on fuel/suffers other mechanical problems is likely to end up on the Atlantic. Not to mention any attack on say New York means that their likely to be tracked [and probably attack] some way out to see and your likely to see attempts at intercepting them say over the Bay of Biscay.
Done a bit earlier they might have been useful on the eastern front but Germany never had the resources for an huge strategic bomber force without giving up a hell of a lot else.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 26, 2022 17:10:21 GMT
Done a bit earlier they might have been useful on the eastern front but Germany never had the resources for an huge strategic bomber force without giving up a hell of a lot else.
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Post by stevep on Jan 26, 2022 18:07:57 GMT
Done a bit earlier they might have been useful on the eastern front but Germany never had the resources for an huge strategic bomber force without giving up a hell of a lot else.
You mean hitting the Soviet factory's in the Urals.
There and also further west as the Germans didn't have much capacity for longer range tactical attack.
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Post by ukron on Jan 27, 2022 7:37:51 GMT
Designed in parallel to the He-177 (and not jointly), the He 277 nevertheless takes a lot of the He 177B in its design and its role as a very long range bomber. Developed from 1943, the bomber should have been equipped with a tricycle landing gear, 4 DB-603 engines and a range of MG-151 remote-controlled turrets. The Germany-Manhattan flight is possible provided you carry only 3000kg of bombs. Three prototypes are envisaged as well as a small series production, but the project falls through in 1944. Representation of the Heinkel He.277B heavy bomber project in 1944, a more advanced version of the Heinkel He.177. No cells were built because German industry no longer had the means to produce such aircraft in 1944 and priority was given to fighters.
Going that way with only 3,000kg of ordnance would never have been practical especially since loss rates would be huge given that any a/c that suffers damage or for whatever reason runs low on fuel/suffers other mechanical problems is likely to end up on the Atlantic. Not to mention any attack on say New York means that their likely to be tracked [and probably attack] some way out to see and your likely to see attempts at intercepting them say over the Bay of Biscay.
Done a bit earlier they might have been useful on the eastern front but Germany never had the resources for an huge strategic bomber force without giving up a hell of a lot else.
As far as i am aware Heinkel He-177 was largely ineffective on the eastern front due to complexity and various mechanic issues caused by russian winter. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 30, 2022 10:08:54 GMT
You mean hitting the Soviet factory's in the Urals. There and also further west as the Germans didn't have much capacity for longer range tactical attack.
To bad the Heinkel He 277 was around during the Battle of Britain, it could easily have reach as far as Scotland i presume. |
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Post by stevep on Jan 30, 2022 11:24:13 GMT
There and also further west as the Germans didn't have much capacity for longer range tactical attack.
To bad the Heinkel He 277 was around during the Battle of Britain, it could easily have reach as far as Scotland i presume.
Don't you mean too good!  From what it says in the design and the desire to raid the US it would have been able to reach anywhere in the UK from anywhere in greater Germany with ease. However fortunately it wouldn't have had any escorts for somewhere so far north, other than possibly Me 110's from Norway. Mind you it would have been so great a drain on German resources to have something in any numbers by 1940 it might have meant they never had the resources to conquer France which could have made for a much shorter and bloodier war for everybody. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 30, 2022 11:26:00 GMT
To bad the Heinkel He 277 was around during the Battle of Britain, it could easily have reach as far as Scotland i presume. Don't you mean too good!  From what it says in the design and the desire to raid the US it would have been able to reach anywhere in the UK from anywhere in greater Germany with ease. However fortunately it wouldn't have had any escorts for somewhere so far north, other than possibly Me 110's from Norway. Mind you it would have been so great a drain on German resources to have something in any numbers by 1940 it might have meant they never had the resources to conquer France which could have made for a much shorter and bloodier war for everybody. Sorry, i meant, Good that the Heinkel He 277 was not around during the Battle of Britain, it could easily have reach as far as Scotland i presume. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 30, 2022 12:04:43 GMT
A rather pointless and very German aircraft. Flying across the Atlantic carrying 6000lb of bombs is like running across the Korean DMZ just to blow a raspberry at the Norks on their own territory. Not only is it very expensive to do so, but it accomplishes nothing save one’s own demise.
It has a rubbish ceiling and decent speed for its mission, which really needs something with the specs of the Boeing B-54.
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From what it says in the design and the desire to raid the US it would have been able to reach anywhere in the UK from anywhere in greater Germany with ease. However fortunately it wouldn't have had any escorts for somewhere so far north, other than possibly Me 110's from Norway. Mind you it would have been so great a drain on German resources to have something in any numbers by 1940 it might have meant they never had the resources to conquer France which could have made for a much shorter and bloodier war for everybody. 
From what it says in the design and the desire to raid the US it would have been able to reach anywhere in the UK from anywhere in greater Germany with ease. However fortunately it wouldn't have had any escorts for somewhere so far north, other than possibly Me 110's from Norway. Mind you it would have been so great a drain on German resources to have something in any numbers by 1940 it might have meant they never had the resources to conquer France which could have made for a much shorter and bloodier war for everybody. 