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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 15, 2022 9:27:46 GMT
I'd like to discuss all aspects of this scenario - military, political as well as social and cultural
The French fleet consists of approx 13 ships of the line, 14 frigates and several hundred transport ships. The complement is 40,000 soldiers and 10,000 sailors.
The fleet appears in the Osaka Bay and the future Empereur is given a set of detailed maps of Japan. He disembarks and heads straight to Heian-Kyo (Kyoto)
1. Does he manage to supply his army without ASB help?
2. Once he conquers Kyoto, how does he conquer the rest of Japan, assuming that he has maps?
3. Whom does he marry?
4. What role will his generals play in the future? Many of his best genrals including Davout, Murat, Lannes, Dumas etc are with him.
5. What role will his soldiers play in the country? He brings in total 50,000 people with the population of Japan being 4 mln at the time
6. Will the French assimilate the Japanese or adopt their language and customs? What kind of cultural syncretism may take place?
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Post by lordroel on Jan 15, 2022 9:32:33 GMT
I'd like to discuss all aspects of this scenario - military, political as well as social and cultural The French fleet consists of approx 13 ships of the line, 14 frigates and several hundred transport ships. The complement is 40,000 soldiers and 10,000 sailors. The fleet appears in the Osaka Bay and the future Empereur is given a set of detailed maps of Japan. He disembarks and heads straight to Heian-Kyo (Kyoto) 1. Does he manage to supply his army without ASB help? 2. Once he conquers Kyoto, how does he conquer the rest of Japan, assuming that he has maps? 3. Whom does he marry? 4. What role will his generals play in the future? Many of his best genrals including Davout, Murat, Lannes, Dumas etc are with him. 5. What role will his soldiers play in the country? He brings in total 50,000 people Will he declare loyalty to the Emperor and begum Shogun. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 15, 2022 9:37:15 GMT
Will he? The institution of the Emperor ca 800 AD may not be as strongly entrenched as in later periods. Also the intitution of the Shogun did not exist until the time of Minamoto Yoritomo 300 years later, in the Heian Period it was just a temporary title of the army commander sent to fight the Emishi.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 15, 2022 9:38:46 GMT
Will he? The institution of the Emperor ca 800 AD may not be as strongly entrenched as in later periods. Also the intitution of the Shogun did not exist until the time of Minamoto Yoritomo 300 years later, in the Heian Period it was just a temporary title of the army commander sent to fight the Emishi. Well i assume the ASB prevents Napoleon from setting sail and travel to France ore is he free to go. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 15, 2022 9:48:40 GMT
Will he? The institution of the Emperor ca 800 AD may not be as strongly entrenched as in later periods. Also the intitution of the Shogun did not exist until the time of Minamoto Yoritomo 300 years later, in the Heian Period it was just a temporary title of the army commander sent to fight the Emishi. Well i assume the ASB prevents Napoleon from setting sail and travel to France ore is he free to go. Yes, he likes Japan more |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 15, 2022 9:57:03 GMT
Well i assume the ASB prevents Napoleon from setting sail and travel to France ore is he free to go. Yes, he likes Japan more Well his important mission is making sure no parts of his new empire rebel against him. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 15, 2022 11:17:54 GMT
Well his important mission is making sure no parts of his new empire rebel against him. This can be done by appointing dozens of vassals. What interesting is that there are people with all kinds of skills on Napoleon's army. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 15, 2022 11:19:01 GMT
What interesting is that there are people with all kinds of skills on Napoleon's army. Who all have to learn to speak Japanse. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 15, 2022 11:52:34 GMT
What interesting is that there are people with all kinds of skills on Napoleon's army. Who all have to learn to speak Japanse. They are not The Firdt invaders to learn a foreign language  look st the Normans I'd pay to hear Old Japanese spoken with a French accent. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 15, 2022 12:02:33 GMT
Who all have to learn to speak Japanse. They are not The Firdt invaders to learn a foreign language look st the Normans I'd pay to hear Old Japanese spoken with a French accent. It will be one of many changes that is going to happen. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 15, 2022 12:21:09 GMT
The 50,000 strong French contingent likely has people representing almost all possible occupations that existed at the time in France, both manual and intellectual.
I expect Japan to progress technologically to 1800 level within 30 years.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 15, 2022 12:24:06 GMT
The 50,000 strong French contingent likely has people representing almost all possible occupations that existed at the time in France, both manual and intellectual. I expect Japan to progress technologically to 1800 level within 30 years. So looking at the figures, there are some 4 million people living in Japan in 800 AD. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 15, 2022 12:33:54 GMT
Those 50k French will try to establish gunsmithing workshops, gunpowder factories, printing presses and other things within one year of taking control over Japan
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 15, 2022 21:31:28 GMT
Once 3 generations pass and the French integrate to the Japanese society, what direction is Franco-Japanese foreign policy going to take?
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Post by razor007 on Mar 28, 2022 3:17:53 GMT
Once 3 generations pass and the French integrate to the Japanese society, what direction is Franco-Japanese foreign policy going to take? Bye-bye Tang China and Joseon Korea. Philippines, Australia and New Zealand are colonized. Islamic Arabia in its prime is quickly and brutally conquered. Basically the Mongols, Sengoku Japan and Imperial Japan on steroids. This world is much more secular and definitely insanely technologically advanced than ours |
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look st the Normans