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Post by nicksumner on Oct 22, 2021 21:22:27 GMT
In OTL the the German ‘Entwicklung’ or ‘E’ series of armoured fighting vehicle projects were initiated towards the end of WW2. The idea was to increase the production of AFVs by simplifying and rationalising the manufacturing process. Chassis were to be standardised. This is what I think the E25 StuG might have looked like if it had been built. The E25 was a chassis to replace vehicles in the 25+ tonne weight class which meant those that used Pzkfw III and IV chassis as platforms.This tank actually rolls in the Drake's Drum timeline. As you may know, there's a separate thread in the Writer's hub concerning Drake's Drum, but the picture posted here wasn't posted in that thread. The first image below was Photoshopped
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Post by lordroel on Oct 25, 2021 16:06:12 GMT
In OTL the the German ‘Entwicklung’ or ‘E’ series of armoured fighting vehicle projects were initiated towards the end of WW2. The idea was to increase the production of AFVs by simplifying and rationalising the manufacturing process. Chassis were to be standardised. This is what I think the E25 StuG might have looked like if it had been built. The E25 was a chassis to replace vehicles in the 25+ tonne weight class which meant those that used Pzkfw III and IV chassis as platforms.This tank actually rolls in the Drake's Drum timeline. As you may know, there's a separate thread in the Writer's hub concerning Drake's Drum, but the picture posted here wasn't posted in that thread. The first image below was Photoshopped
Would it not be better to focus on building tanks instead of spending resources on building a Jagdpanzer. |
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Post by nicksumner on Oct 26, 2021 14:01:20 GMT
Jagdpanzers were cheaper than tanks and, in many defensive situations, as useful as a tank.
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Post by lordroel on Oct 26, 2021 15:01:48 GMT
Jagdpanzers were cheaper than tanks and, in many defensive situations, as useful as a tank. Well i doubt Elefant and Jagdtiger fit that list of being a cheaper alternative than their turret versions. |
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Post by stevep on Oct 27, 2021 11:07:54 GMT
Jagdpanzers were cheaper than tanks and, in many defensive situations, as useful as a tank. Well i doubt Elefant and Jagdtiger fit that list of being a cheaper alternative than their turret versions.
Actually they are. They have no turrets which make them a lot simpler and cheaper to produce. It makes them smaller targets as well since they tend to have less height so can hide easier. Also since they work largely hull down in defensive position they only really need heavy armour on the front.
Also while the Jagdtiger is the most formidable the Germans used a lot of lighter units on tank chassis to help with defending against the Soviet numbers.
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Post by lordroel on Oct 27, 2021 15:04:50 GMT
The E-Series Of Tanks - Hitler's Dream Tanks
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Post by stevep on Oct 27, 2021 15:58:56 GMT
The E-Series Of Tanks - Hitler's Dream Tanks
Well technically it could be argued that the 1st two aren't tanks - is that unlike most vehicles in that category they don't have turrets but a gun fixed in the front of the hull. This makes them a lot simpler to build and probably would have been damned useful for Germany if they had emerged in numbers. The problem with the lack of a turret of course is that the entire tank needs to face what's its firing at. As such very good for hitting targets in the front arc, preferably from ambush but they would be more vulnerable in mobile warfare. This was what started happening from ~1943 onward as Germany started producing more and more such vehicles to counter the massed tanks of their opponents.
For the other three I don't know if they would be worth the effort. 50 tons for a tank in WWII is a serious problem as it both places a lot of stress on its structure and greatly limits where it can go and how quickly. Would be far too large for most bridges and bridging equipment and probably for a lot of roads and railway facilities. The 4th one at ~75 tons would be even worse in this aspect even if a simpler design avoided some of the reliability problems of the Panther and Tiger. Not saying don't build any if the capacity is there but your never going to get many and their going to be relatively static both tactically and strategically and prime targets for enemy air and artillery when they do appear. For the last one I can see no more use for a Maus replacement than I can see for the initial Maus.
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