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Post by gillan1220 on Sept 24, 2021 5:36:40 GMT
For reference sake, let us use the 2005 version which is one of my favorite family musical films. Of course, the POD would date back to 1950s/60s since Grandpa Joe worked in the factory when he was younger. In this world, the Wonka Factory would be the leading candy brand in the world, outclassing Hershey's, Nestle, Ferrero Rocher, and Cadbury to name a few. Wonka even built a chocolate palace for an Indian prince (I guess this was before 1947?).
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - Prince Pondicherry's Palace
Come by 2005, Willy Wonka suddenly has announced the five golden tickets that would grant five children to enter his factory. We saw how the craze would look like as millions around the world tried to get their luck on the golden ticket.
Now if that happened in real-life, what would the impact be on the economy and pop-culture? What happens after Willy Wonka gives Charlie Buckett and his family the factory? How would the Chocolate Factory be like by 2021? Would the grown up Charlie Buckett make it into a tourist attraction?
Leave your thoughts below.
Videos for reference:
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - The Factory Reopens
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - The Four Rotten Children
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Post by lordroel on Sept 24, 2021 13:44:42 GMT
For reference sake, let us use the 2005 version which is one of my favorite family musical films. Of course, the POD would date back to 1950s/60s since Grandpa Joe worked in the factory when he was younger. In this world, the Wonka Factory would be the leading candy brand in the world, outclassing Hershey's, Nestle, Ferrero Rocher, and Cadbury to name a few. Wonka even built a chocolate palace for an Indian prince (I guess this was before 1947?). Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - Prince Pondicherry's PalaceCome by 2005, Willy Wonka suddenly has announced the five golden tickets that would grant five children to enter his factory. We saw how the craze would look like as millions around the world tried to get their luck on the golden ticket. Now if that happened in real-life, what would the impact be on the economy and pop-culture? What happens after Willy Wonka gives Charlie Buckett and his family the factory? How would the Chocolate Factory be like by 2021? Would the grown up Charlie Buckett make it into a tourist attraction? Leave your thoughts below. Videos for reference: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - The Factory ReopensCharlie and the Chocolate Factory - The Four Rotten ChildrenWho says it is not real. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Sept 24, 2021 14:12:28 GMT
For reference sake, let us use the 2005 version which is one of my favorite family musical films. Of course, the POD would date back to 1950s/60s since Grandpa Joe worked in the factory when he was younger. In this world, the Wonka Factory would be the leading candy brand in the world, outclassing Hershey's, Nestle, Ferrero Rocher, and Cadbury to name a few. Wonka even built a chocolate palace for an Indian prince (I guess this was before 1947?). Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - Prince Pondicherry's PalaceCome by 2005, Willy Wonka suddenly has announced the five golden tickets that would grant five children to enter his factory. We saw how the craze would look like as millions around the world tried to get their luck on the golden ticket. Now if that happened in real-life, what would the impact be on the economy and pop-culture? What happens after Willy Wonka gives Charlie Buckett and his family the factory? How would the Chocolate Factory be like by 2021? Would the grown up Charlie Buckett make it into a tourist attraction? Leave your thoughts below. Videos for reference: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - The Factory ReopensCharlie and the Chocolate Factory - The Four Rotten ChildrenWho says it is not real. In real life, the brand Willy Wonka is part of Nestle. But in universe, it's a separate company. I'm just curious how much of a frenzy will there be if the hunt of the golden tickets occurred in 2005. |
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Post by lordroel on Sept 24, 2021 14:16:11 GMT
In real life, the brand Willy Wonka is part of Nestle. But in universe, it's a separate company. I'm just curious how much of a frenzy will there be if the hunt of the golden tickets occurred in 2005. It will be crazy. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Sept 24, 2021 15:36:37 GMT
In real life, the brand Willy Wonka is part of Nestle. But in universe, it's a separate company. I'm just curious how much of a frenzy will there be if the hunt of the golden tickets occurred in 2005. It will be crazy. Social media in 2005 wasn't widespread yet. Facebook was overshadowed by Friendster and MySpace. The fact smartphones didn't exist yet would mean news would travel minutes slower even if Twitter was established the same year. Compare it to having the Golden Ticket craze from 2014 to 2021, the social media frenzy would be like Pokemon Go levels. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Oct 12, 2021 17:29:54 GMT
Bucket of Salt. Set in 2019, 14 years after the film's events. Brexit is still scheduled to happen/
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Post by gillan1220 on Nov 11, 2022 23:53:22 GMT
Decided to revive this thread due to the discussion.
Everything GREAT about Charlie and the Chocolate Factory Part 1
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Post by American hist on Nov 12, 2022 1:55:48 GMT
I think the first Charly and the chocolate factory was more realistic and better, in my opinion. It's funny at how pathetic the buckets are where it looks like it's industrial England during the 19th century. It seems like this is set in Britain, not America. They are in poverty if he onley gets a candy bar for his birthday. This is for children more than it is for reality, and all of the charters are more spoiled and worse. In the film, the small people who were no was modern slavery as he acted in the slave trade. In the 1st film, they came to live in peace though the workers where unregistered immigrants, lol undocumented.
I would be cautious that he wants charlie to live with him without his family or proper supervision let alone contact from the outside
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Post by gillan1220 on Nov 12, 2022 17:13:53 GMT
I think the first Charly and the chocolate factory was more realistic and better, in my opinion. It's funny at how pathetic the buckets are where it looks like it's industrial England during the 19th century. It seems like this is set in Britain, not America. They are in poverty if he onley gets a candy bar for his birthday. This is for children more than it is for reality, and all of the charters are more spoiled and worse. In the film, the small people who were no was modern slavery as he acted in the slave trade. In the 1st film, they came to live in peace though the workers where unregistered immigrants, lol undocumented. I would be cautious that he wants charlie to live with him without his family or proper supervision let alone contact from the outside It looks like England or New York in the 1930s. It seems that area is stuck in a time bubble since we are seeing 20s/30s vehicles yet there are also 21st century cars and technology. The fanfic Bucket of Salt has it set in London in parallel with OTL. Obama is named as Opolo and Trump is named as Crump. The author even got Trump's visit date to London right: June 4, 2019. The book is definitely about good behavior vs. spoiled children. It has a lesson for us all. Those people are called Oompa Loompas and it is akin to slavery of the Africans. The Oompa Loompas are alleged to be based on the pygmies in the Congo. Consider that this novel was only published in 1964 and racism was very much a thing in both the U.S. and the UK. Hence, I'm glad that notion of racism was taken out in the Gene Wilder film in 1971 and the 2005 masterpiece. As for Charlie living alone with Wonka, there have been theories that Wonka is a pedophile/Michael Jackson-type the targets children. Hence, it made sense in the 2005 version that Charlie's condition is to bring his family with Wonka to the factory. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Nov 13, 2022 1:49:36 GMT
The book is firmly set in Britain; the 1971 film adaption takes place in that weird mid Atlantic location used for transplanted British IPs.
Should it happen in 2005, it wouldn’t happen. Wonka’s chocolate factory would have been long since shut down after being raided by government authorities. Many of his practices would be against the sacred codes of ‘elf and safety’, which would begat a response.
As a passing point, getting one chocolate (‘candy’ in American parlance) bar for a birthday was not a mark of poverty, but of realism and different diets. Just because it is a child’s birthday is no reason to shower them with poison, particularly if they get a cake, presents and a party.
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Post by American hist on Nov 13, 2022 2:43:54 GMT
The book is firmly set in Britain; the 1971 film adaption takes place in that weird mid Atlantic location used for transplanted British IPs. Should it happen in 2005, it wouldn’t happen. Wonka’s chocolate factory would have been long since shut down after being raided by government authorities. Many of his practices would be against the sacred codes of ‘elf and safety’, which would begat a response. As a passing point, getting one chocolate (‘candy’ in American parlance) bar for a birthday was not a mark of poverty, but of realism and different diets. Just because it is a child’s birthday is no reason to shower them with poison, particularly if they get a cake, presents and a party. My grandfather got even less he got fruit for his birthday , but in the modern 21st century or almost even in 20th century America or even in the developed world, this is abnormal. In wartime Britain or even postwar Britain, it makes sense. Children deserve to be treated like kids, not over-spoiled like naughty children. I'm not a redcoat however, poverty as shown in the film is unrealistic it is true how super poor people live in tin houses,or even cardboard but this isn't the norm. The original wonker movie is more realistic depiction of poverty at least for white poor people, but I've not heard a wash would be in operation without it being electric by the 1970s. (in the original wanker movie the mom helped wash clothes for a living) Particularly not one run by immigrants in the original one the grandfather looks like he was a veteran shown by his combat boot. Factorys to my knowledge, generally are good wages at least in the developed world. The short people were not necessarily slaving labor at least in the original ones. Well, perhaps he bribed them or legally allowed them to immigrate but kept the news muffled out because of only the government had known about the immigrants and decided it wasn't their secret to selling. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Nov 13, 2022 5:38:05 GMT
It may be abnormal in 21st century America, but dietary patterns there, including excessive consumption of processed sweets, chocolate and the like, are not the norm for the rest of the world, nor should they be.
The Oompa Loompas were not short people, or any such modern polite terms, but pygmies under another name. Dahl was not one given to political correctness, so the parlance of modern times shouldn't be lumped on his works.
I'm not sure what you mean by "I've not heard a wash would be in operation without it being electric by the 1970s".
Whenever you begin something with 'perhaps', you start to venture into additional conjecture and imaginings rather than alternate history, even of a nature such as this.
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Post by American hist on Nov 13, 2022 5:47:52 GMT
It may be abnormal in 21st century America, but dietary patterns there, including excessive consumption of processed sweets, chocolate and the like, are not the norm for the rest of the world, nor should they be. The Oompa Loompas were not short people, or any such modern polite terms, but pygmies under another name. Dahl was not one given to political correctness, so the parlance of modern times shouldn't be lumped on his works. I'm not sure what you mean by "I've not heard a wash would be in operation without it being electric by the 1970s". Whenever you begin something with 'perhaps', you start to venture into additional conjecture and imaginings rather than alternate history, even of a nature such as this. It can be hard for me to spell Oompa Loompas but not only is this not an alternative history which would belong under space bats this is media hub. I meant about a non-electric washer was washing clothes still being done by hand in the US by non-immigrants. OK thanks….. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Nov 13, 2022 5:57:21 GMT
Dahl wrote the book in early 1960s England. At that point, electric washing machines were only just coming into popular use in Britain and Western Europe. Dahl, being a man of his class and time, would likely have not been entirely familiar with cutting edge laundry developments.
Televisions were quite widespread at that point, as were refrigerators, but beyond that, there were limited electric home appliances in use in Britain in the early 1960s. Dishwashers, clothes driers and the like were not really present. The tyranny of the present strikes again.
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Post by gillan1220 on Nov 13, 2022 16:57:01 GMT
It can be hard for me to spell Oompa Loompas but not only is this not an alternative history which would belong under space bats this is media hub. I meant about a non-electric washer was washing clothes still being done by hand in the US by non-immigrants. OK thanks….. The 2005 version is already ASB enough. The part of Charlie's town looks like its stuck in the 1930s. Dahl wrote the book in early 1960s England. At that point, electric washing machines were only just coming into popular use in Britain and Western Europe. Dahl, being a man of his class and time, would likely have not been entirely familiar with cutting edge laundry developments. Televisions were quite widespread at that point, as were refrigerators, but beyond that, there were limited electric home appliances in use in Britain in the early 1960s. Dishwashers, clothes driers and the like were not really present. The tyranny of the present strikes again. Speaking of 1960s, even the trucks used in the 2005 film look straight from that era.  |
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