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Post by TheRomanSlayer on May 26, 2021 5:25:51 GMT
IOTL, The legendary, or rather, infamous pirate named Limahong had built a small kingdom in what is now Pangasinan. It only lasted a short while, before he was chased off from the Philippines by the Spanish, marking the end of what was then the entity called Caboloan.
However, the origins of the trading port of Aparri started off as a Japanese trading post, but for some odd reason, Japanese pirates did not bother to seize this vital trading port, which would have made things a bit more chaotic in the early period of Spanish colonialism in the Philippines.
What would it take for a Japanese equivalent of Limahong to create his own pirate kingdom in the Philippines that might last a tiny bit longer than OTL Caboloan? Would the Japanese Wokou be more open to exploring and raiding the rest of the Philippines, or would the presence of the Spanish either discourage them, or make a deal with them where not only the Wokou would be allowed to settle in the Philippines, but that a Japanese pirate kingdom in the Philippines would have been a safe haven for Japanese Catholics?
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Post by kasumigenx on May 29, 2021 14:41:02 GMT
IOTL, The legendary, or rather, infamous pirate named Limahong had built a small kingdom in what is now Pangasinan. It only lasted a short while, before he was chased off from the Philippines by the Spanish, marking the end of what was then the entity called Caboloan. However, the origins of the trading port of Aparri started off as a Japanese trading post, but for some odd reason, Japanese pirates did not bother to seize this vital trading port, which would have made things a bit more chaotic in the early period of Spanish colonialism in the Philippines. What would it take for a Japanese equivalent of Limahong to create his own pirate kingdom in the Philippines that might last a tiny bit longer than OTL Caboloan? Would the Japanese Wokou be more open to exploring and raiding the rest of the Philippines, or would the presence of the Spanish either discourage them, or make a deal with them where not only the Wokou would be allowed to settle in the Philippines, but that a Japanese pirate kingdom in the Philippines would have been a safe haven for Japanese Catholics? Actually, it is possible if the Muslims in Northern Luzon had competent rulers, just keep Tarik Sulayman of Macabebe living since his death left Northern Luzon a power vacuum due to idiotic rulers like Kasikis of Caboloan who chose to ally with Lakandula, he can make Southern Luzon a buffer with the Spanish which a Wukou or a Chinese Pirate can rule after the Chinese or Japanese pirate sacks manila. |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Jun 1, 2021 3:35:01 GMT
Although it might also have an adverse effect of making the Spanish conquest of what is now the Philippines a lot more difficult. Given that this hypothetical Japanese Wokou kingdom in the Philippines would be further than say, OTL Limahong's kingdom, I would safely say that it could survive for a few more years before it eventually falls. However, it would also result in creating a distinct northern Luzon identity that might be hostile to Spanish colonialism, but wouldn't know if they would stay animist, become Shintoist, Buddhist or Muslim. I would most likely say Buddhist, since they could also keep in touch with Japan and the Vietnamese kingdoms.
On the other hand, having an exiled Vietnamese princeling create his own tiny kingdom in the same location that Limahong set up the Huangdom of Caboloan would be an interesting scenario, as it would theoretically make the "Philippines" more of an extension of what we call the Greater Indochina region.
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Post by kasumigenx on Jun 1, 2021 20:39:44 GMT
Although it might also have an adverse effect of making the Spanish conquest of what is now the Philippines a lot more difficult. Given that this hypothetical Japanese Wokou kingdom in the Philippines would be further than say, OTL Limahong's kingdom, I would safely say that it could survive for a few more years before it eventually falls. However, it would also result in creating a distinct northern Luzon identity that might be hostile to Spanish colonialism, but wouldn't know if they would stay animist, become Shintoist, Buddhist or Muslim. I would most likely say Buddhist, since they could also keep in touch with Japan and the Vietnamese kingdoms. On the other hand, having an exiled Vietnamese princeling create his own tiny kingdom in the same location that Limahong set up the Huangdom of Caboloan would be an interesting scenario, as it would theoretically make the "Philippines" more of an extension of what we call the Greater Indochina region. I don't think that would happen since the Lowlands of Luzon are Muslim when the Spanish came and the Spanish only conquered Northern Luzon due to a power vacuum created by the death of the Prince Macabebe who led the so called Kapampangan Empire which held lands in Cagayan and Pampanga, his kin and colleague like the ruler of Kaboloan are stupid and allied with Lakandula.
Actually, a surviving "Kapampangan Empire" uniting Northern Luzon would be the perfect buffer for the Japanese and the Spanish Empire.
Although Expelling the Spanish in S. Luzon in exchange for a temporary Kingdom with a pirate is possible.
Another thing to consider is that Ilocos was occupied by the Bruneian Empire during the time the Spanish came which is why the Spanish was able to conquer it first, there are cultural proofs like the Burnay jars. |
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Post by kasumigenx on Jun 2, 2021 14:01:50 GMT
I think an Independent Northern Luzon which would keep its identity and dynasty would be something like this, they will be revanchist and tries to claim the lands the Bruneians have annexed from them which the Spanish would have conquered but always fail, something like a rump state but the Spanish ignore them because they are supposed to be Portuguese lands/colonies.
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