|
|
Post by TheRomanSlayer on Jan 16, 2021 8:25:23 GMT
A lot of the tanks we see with Russia’s military consists of T-90, T-80 and T-72 tanks. Before the Armata T-14, there were the Black Eagle and the short lived T-95 tank. Was it more reasonable to have used those prototypes as test beds for the tank technology instead of investing in the Armata series? I admit that this is inspired by the Command and Conquer Generals Zero Hour Mod Rise of the Reds, especially the Kodiak and Ogre tanks of Russia in the game, but honestly, someone other than Putin who might be a bit money wise could have simply opt to just address the issues facing the T-80 tanks during the First Chechen War.
|
|
lordroel
Administrator
Posts: 67,964 
Likes: 49,369
|
Post by lordroel on Jan 16, 2021 9:01:04 GMT
A lot of the tanks we see with Russia’s military consists of T-90, T-80 and T-72 tanks. Before the Armata T-14, there were the Black Eagle and the short lived T-95 tank. Was it more reasonable to have used those prototypes as test beds for the tank technology instead of investing in the Armata series? I admit that this is inspired by the Command and Conquer Generals Zero Hour Mod Rise of the Reds, especially the Kodiak and Ogre tanks of Russia in the game, but honestly, someone other than Putin who might be a bit money wise could have simply opt to just address the issues facing the T-80 tanks during the First Chechen War. Never heard of the T-95, but looking at its Wikipedia page , it looks nice.  |
|
|
|
Post by TheRomanSlayer on Jan 16, 2021 17:46:10 GMT
Too bad that prototype got cancelled as well. It seems that the Armata series in itself could be taking a chunk out of Russia’s financial reserves, with the sanctions and whatnot.
|
|
gillan1220
Fleet admiral
I've been depressed recently. Slow replies coming in the next few days.
Posts: 12,609
Likes: 11,326
|
Post by gillan1220 on Jan 17, 2021 15:37:48 GMT
Perhaps the end of the Cold War saw these tanks as unnecessary. I'm wondering too if that double cannon tank from Call of Duty: Black Ops II would have been made as well.
|
|
lordroel
Administrator
Posts: 67,964
Likes: 49,369
|
Post by lordroel on Jan 17, 2021 16:28:17 GMT
Perhaps the end of the Cold War saw these tanks as unnecessary. I'm wondering too if that double cannon tank from Call of Duty: Black Ops II would have been made as well. That fiction, just like this Soviet design from Red Alert 2.  |
|
gillan1220
Fleet admiral
I've been depressed recently. Slow replies coming in the next few days.
Posts: 12,609
Likes: 11,326
|
Post by gillan1220 on Jan 17, 2021 16:30:52 GMT
Perhaps the end of the Cold War saw these tanks as unnecessary. I'm wondering too if that double cannon tank from Call of Duty: Black Ops II would have been made as well. That fiction, just like this Soviet design from Red Alert 2. No practicality for these in the field then? |
|
lordroel
Administrator
Posts: 67,964
Likes: 49,369
|
Post by lordroel on Jan 17, 2021 16:32:17 GMT
That fiction, just like this Soviet design from Red Alert 2. No practicality for these in the field then? You can do with one cannon the same with what you can do with two. |
|
gillan1220
Fleet admiral
I've been depressed recently. Slow replies coming in the next few days.
Posts: 12,609
Likes: 11,326
|
Post by gillan1220 on Jan 17, 2021 16:34:38 GMT
No practicality for these in the field then? You can do with one cannon the same with what you can do with two. Intimidating factor. |
|
lordroel
Administrator
Posts: 67,964
Likes: 49,369
|
Post by lordroel on Jan 17, 2021 16:37:32 GMT
You can do with one cannon the same with what you can do with two. Intimidating factor. You mean like this: T-100 tank |
|
stevep
Fleet admiral
Posts: 24,832
Likes: 13,222
|
Post by stevep on Jan 17, 2021 16:46:13 GMT
No practicality for these in the field then? You can do with one cannon the same with what you can do with two.
Very true. Unless you have a really big crew, which would be cramped you can only really aim, load and fire one barrel at a time so why the extra costs and complexity of the two barrel system. I think the Soviets even had one design prior to WWII with 3-4 turrets but it was a complex disaster. I'm very much a supporter of the old KISS principle.  |
|
gillan1220
Fleet admiral
I've been depressed recently. Slow replies coming in the next few days.
Posts: 12,609
Likes: 11,326
|
Post by gillan1220 on Jan 17, 2021 16:47:23 GMT
This tank is a sitting duck to air power. |
|
lordroel
Administrator
Posts: 67,964
Likes: 49,369
|
Post by lordroel on Jan 17, 2021 16:47:51 GMT
You can do with one cannon the same with what you can do with two. Very true. Unless you have a really big crew, which would be cramped you can only really aim, load and fire one barrel at a time so why the extra costs and complexity of the two barrel system. I think the Soviets even had one design prior to WWII with 3-4 turrets but it was a complex disaster. I'm very much a supporter of the old KISS principle. Are you talking about the T-35 stevep.  |
|
stevep
Fleet admiral
Posts: 24,832
Likes: 13,222
|
Post by stevep on Jan 17, 2021 16:51:46 GMT
Very true. Unless you have a really big crew, which would be cramped you can only really aim, load and fire one barrel at a time so why the extra costs and complexity of the two barrel system. I think the Soviets even had one design prior to WWII with 3-4 turrets but it was a complex disaster. I'm very much a supporter of the old KISS principle. Are you talking about the T-35 stevep .
Yep, that's it.
|
|
lordroel
Administrator
Posts: 67,964
Likes: 49,369
|
Post by lordroel on Jan 17, 2021 16:53:28 GMT
Of the 2 the T-100 looks more like a tank instead of a rolling fort. |
|
|
|
Post by TheRomanSlayer on Jan 18, 2021 7:37:09 GMT
The T-100 looks more like the M3 Lee done right.
Although I think that if the Russians kept to the KISS principle when designing tanks, that could have saved a lot of money. Upgrading the T-90 or at least resurrecting the T-95 but with elements of the cancelled Black Eagle tank would have been better than building the Armata T-14.
|
|
