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Post by american2006 on Dec 2, 2020 2:57:58 GMT
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Post by kyng on Dec 12, 2020 21:34:23 GMT
My favourite example: Go to the 2016 map, and move Los Angeles County from California to Texas. Leave everything else as-is. Then, Hillary wins 270-268. |
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Post by american2006 on Dec 12, 2020 22:17:00 GMT
My favourite example: Go to the 2016 map, and move Los Angeles County from California to Texas. Leave everything else as-is. Then, Hillary wins 270-268. Wait really? Why am I not surprised. |
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Post by american2006 on Dec 15, 2020 23:44:14 GMT
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 5, 2021 1:05:46 GMT
...Jesus Christ. Now I'm curious as to how the popular-vote margins look, considering the sheer advantage given to the GOP via gerrymandering. Suspension of disbelief aside, I doubt that the losing side would stand for this sort of arrangement for long. The same would apply to Republicans too, if they ever found themselves on the business end of it. |
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Post by american2006 on Jan 5, 2021 15:19:32 GMT
...Jesus Christ. Now I'm curious as to how the popular-vote margins look, considering the sheer advantage given to the GOP via gerrymandering. Suspension of disbelief aside, I doubt that the losing side would stand for this sort of arrangement for long. The same would apply to Republicans too, if they ever found themselves on the business end of it. In all reality, our current map for the presidential election isn’t gerrymandered, because the state boundaries predate most demographics voting the way they do. When I get home I’ll do a map for the Democrats. |
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Post by american2006 on Jan 5, 2021 15:25:25 GMT
In the meantime... 1912: Teddy Roosevelt and the Progressive Party stay out, the map has the votes calculated as Roosevelt + Taft, and if it’s more then Wilson they carry that state. The map: www.yapms.com/app/?m=68ip2020: The Libertarian Party never enters our last Presidential election and backs the Republicans: www.yapms.com/app/?m=68iqSince it is the rare situation of a 269-269 tie, House delegations vote. Meaning that in this alternate universe, tomorrow would result in a continued Trump presidency with the following House vote: www.yapms.com/app/?m=68iv |
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Post by american2006 on Jan 5, 2021 15:40:55 GMT
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Post by american2006 on Jan 5, 2021 15:59:43 GMT
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 6, 2021 0:42:20 GMT
...Jesus Christ. Now I'm curious as to how the popular-vote margins look, considering the sheer advantage given to the GOP via gerrymandering. Suspension of disbelief aside, I doubt that the losing side would stand for this sort of arrangement for long. The same would apply to Republicans too, if they ever found themselves on the business end of it. In all reality, our current map for the presidential election isn’t gerrymandered, because the state boundaries predate most demographics voting the way they do. When I get home I’ll do a map for the Democrats. Alright, then. Seeing as I haven't read much on the subject, I suppose I have much to learn about gerrymandering and how it works. I don't suppose any of the maps you posted earlier today, such as the one in which Al Gore receives Ralph Nader's votes, is that map for the Democrats you're referring to here? |
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Post by american2006 on Jan 6, 2021 0:51:08 GMT
In all reality, our current map for the presidential election isn’t gerrymandered, because the state boundaries predate most demographics voting the way they do. When I get home I’ll do a map for the Democrats. Alright, then. Seeing as I haven't read much on the subject, I suppose I have much to learn about gerrymandering and how it works. I don't suppose any of the maps you posted earlier today, such as the one in which Al Gore receives Ralph Nader's votes, is that map for the Democrats you're referring to here? No it is not it will be along the lines of the GOP one. |
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 6, 2021 1:01:55 GMT
Alright, then. Seeing as I haven't read much on the subject, I suppose I have much to learn about gerrymandering and how it works. I don't suppose any of the maps you posted earlier today, such as the one in which Al Gore receives Ralph Nader's votes, is that map for the Democrats you're referring to here? No it is not it will be along the lines of the GOP one. Ah. In that case, I patiently await its Democratic inverse. |
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Post by american2006 on Jan 7, 2021 1:03:16 GMT
Zyobot Behold, the Blue landslide that never came That was fun, I guess. Pennsylvania - Philadelphia and Erie = Republicans win. Add North New Jersey and the Bronx and it's Democrat again. Fun fact: West Virginia and Utah are among the most Republican states on this map.
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Post by kyng on Feb 6, 2021 23:34:36 GMT
Here's one from an alternate history scenario I'm covering on another forum:  To give this map a bit of context: - Brexit never happened (there was a very narrow Remain victory in the referendum);
- David Cameron stayed on as Prime Minister, although once his term expired, he didn't run for another one;
- Going into this election, the Conservative leader is Theresa May. She's running on a platform of 'soft Euroscepticism' (where she respects the Remain victory in the referendum, and therefore advocates continued membership of the EU - but, she opposes certain EU policies);
- Both Labour and the Conservatives lose a lot of their 'Leave' voters to UKIP. My guess is that UKIP is getting about 50-60% of the 'Leave' vote here, and about 25-30% of the popular vote overall (though they're underrepresented compared to Labour and the Tories, because first past the post is screwing them over). Indeed, in some constituencies, UKIP hasn't taken enough votes away from the Tories to win the seat outright... but they *have* taken away enough votes to throw the seat to Labour or the Lib Dems! (Though, I'm not so sure about Scarborough and Whitby going to Labour, or Yeovil going to the Lib Dems: the former probably had a non-negligible Labour-Leave vote, while the latter probably had a non-negligible Lib Dem-Leave vote. Maybe the local UKIP candidates had scandals or something
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Post by James G on Feb 7, 2021 12:22:27 GMT
What a mess that would have been.
Part of me says 'never, ASB' but it is clear that a four year strength of anger would have built up due to the Brexit vote going the other way. UKIP wouldn't have gone off the deep end and channelled that anger into being kingmakers.
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