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Post by easternroman1453 on Nov 25, 2020 5:19:21 GMT
Imperator Francorum: A Napoleon II Timeline
“I envy that boy. Glory is waiting there for him: I had to run after her. I will have been Phillip: he will be Alexander. He has only to extend an arm, and the world is his.”
--Napoleon I's remarks about his son to Marshal Ouidnot.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Prologue: The Rise and Fall of the First French EmpireThe French Empire at the height of its territorial extent and influence under Emperor Napoleon I. In order to truly understand the circumstances that led to the rise of Emperor Napoleon II "Auguste" commonly referred to as the Eaglet by the French one must first look towards the past to the events leading up to the fall of the First French Empire: the Battle of Leipzig. France during the Revolution had seen the nation thrown into chaos with the King and Queen executed, and with tyrants, and the incompetent and corrupt directory running France into the ground while inflicting a reign terror upon the population. Through this time of chaos and uncertainty one man rose to the challenge to save France preserving the ideals of the Revolution while ensuring competent and just governance for all peoples: Emperor Napoleon I. A young Napoleon bearing the standard of France while leading his men on the front lines at the Battle of Toulon against the First Coalition against France.Emperor Napoleon I was a man forged in the fires of Revolution tempered by the chaos of the battlefield . With his drive for glory, his unwavering determination, and his grand ambition he raised France and its people to heights it had not seen in centuries since the Carolingians. With his many victories on the battlefield crushing the armies of the various coalitions assembled against France, Napoleon safeguarded the French people from the machinations of the Old Order seeking to reimpose the tyranny and excesses of the Ancien Regime back onto France and its people. And through these daring efforts, he gained acclaim and the French found a new hero to rally behind to place their hopes that they would finally be delivered from the years of anarchy and instability that they had been suffering through.The Coup of 18 Brumaire where the Emperor emerged to provide strong leadership to France.With the incompetent and corrupt Directory mismanaging the nation and its people, a general state of malaise had taken over the populace as its members cared little about the values of Revolution or the people, preferring to aggrandize themselves and their cronies at the expense of the population. Through Coup of 18 Brumaire France was finally relieved of its inept government allowing for Napoleon to create an altogether new system after seizing all political power becoming the virtual dictator of France. With near absolute power in his hands, the Emperor adopted the title of Consul of France hearkening back to the period of the Roman Republic where he perhaps fashioned himself as a Caesar of the 19th Century. Like Caesar, Napoleon was a man of action swiftly working to help restore order in France and overhauling its government and financial system providing it with a balanced budget for the first time in many decades, something which not even the Bourbons and the Revolutionaries had managed to do. In addition to this, he introduced a new form of French Civil Law: The Code Napoleon which serves as the basis for modern Europe's legal framework to this day enshrining the principles of the Revolution establishing the equality of men under the law. While the Revolutionaries, during the Reign of Terror tried to bring down the Church imposing their godless Cult of Reason and Cult of the Supreme Being upon the French, Napoleon stuck a Concordat with the Pope restoring moral values and the place of the Church in French society earning him the support and praise.
An image of the Napoleonic Code amended for the trappings and framework of the French Empire. With the idea of the Republic discredited, to safeguard the ideals of the Revolution, Napoleon chose to Crown himself as Emperor of the French tying together the ideals of monarchy and the Liberalism of the Revolution to create the foundations for a lasting state as France had been a monarchy since its foundation with the Ancient Frankish King Clovis the Great. The return to monarchy and the reconciliation with the Church worked to bring moderates and Conservatives into the fold with many French Emigres returning to France.The Coronation of Emperor Napoleon I depicting his power and the foundation of the House of Bonaparte as a new French Royal Family much to the contempt of most of Europe's royalty.A painting of Emperor Napoleon I in his coronation robes where he is portrayed as both the successor of Charlemagne and the Roman Emperors of Antiquity with the Pomp and Circumstance of his Empire Style Aesthetic.Despite all these domestic accomplishments, France and its Revolutionary ideals were not secure, as the old Powers of Europe continually banded together determined to remove Napoleon whom they saw as an illegitimate usurper once and for all. Yet despite all these odds, Emperor Napoleon managed to continually inflict countless defeats upon the Coalition which enabled him to assert France's geopolitical dominance and hegemony all across Europe. After victories like Austerlitz and Jena, he became the master of Italy and Germany organizing the states into his own client states and allies. With the Confederation of the Rhine being created following the dissolution of the ancient but moribund Holy Roman Empire, Napoleon introduced the Code Napoleon and his Enlightened style of rule all across Europe. Germany was reorganized into the Confederation of the Rhine while in Italy a new Kingdom of Italy while Naples was given to his brother and then later Marshal Murat. This unprecedented dominance over Europe made the French Empire the largest and most far reaching European polity since the Ancient Roman Empire. Though with his reorganization of Northern Italy into the Kingdom of Italy which he later bestowed upon his infant son Napoleon II with the title of Le Roi de Rome (The King of Rome), he signified the pre-eminence of his dynasty and the connections between his Empire and that of the Carolingian Empire of Charlemagne.A painting depicting the Battle of Austerlitz also known as the battle of Three Emperors saw France decisively defeating Russia and Austria during the War of the Third Coalition effectively making Napoleon the master of Continental Europe allowing him to create the Confederation of the Rhine. A painting of Napoleon crossing the Alps. Artwork was a standard piece of Napoleonic propaganda showing himself as the embodiment of the Revolution and the old splendor of the Frankish and Roman Empires. Names like Hannibal and Charlemagne with the Latin form Karolus Magnus help to cast Napoleon as their spiritual successor.A contemporary marble bust of Emperor Napoleon I depicting him with the Iron Crown of Lombardy: the ancient crown of past Kings of Italy allegedly forged from an iron nail from the True Cross. However all of this glory and splendor began to unravel with the Emperor's rash and ill fated attempt to add Spain into its Empire. The Peninsular War or "Napoleon's Spanish Ulcer" as its commonly referred to strained France's resources with many of the Emperor's best troops caught in Spain spreading his forces too thinly to effectively maintain his Empire. Smelling blood in the water, France's allies soon moved against her declaring war seeking to snuff if out of existence once and for all. But Napoleon once again defeated the armies of the Coalition forging an alliance with Tsar Alexander in the hopes of securing his empire allowing him to isolate Britain. Feeling secure in his standing, the Emperor made the grave error of enacting the Continental System in attempt to construct a pan-European blockade of Britain in the hopes that by economic interests it would be forced to the negotiating table allowing France to forge a lasting peace.
Unfortunately for His Majesty Emperor Napoleon, the Continental System backfired as Britain still had ongoing trade with its other overseas colonies and with the Americas. The results for French and European traders was catastrophic to say the least, as the inferior quality of French goods to certain British goods made them unattractive to European markets. As a result of this crime and smuggling became widespread with many nations choosing to openly flout the conventions of the Continental System to avoid total economic collapse. Russia under Tsar Alexander I became openly hostile to Napoleonic France with it withdrawing from the Continental System and resuming trade with Britain forcing the Emperor to being his ill fated invasion of Russia.
Russia openly withdrawing from the provisions of the Continental System in Napoleon's eyes was an insult to France also setting the example that he was no longer to be feared or respected. By punitively invading, and defeating Russia, the Emperor would have essentially made an example out of it and demonstrated to the rest of the world that the Sun was still rising over Imperial France. But where Napoleon's drive and ambition had led him to success many times throughout his long and illustrious life, here it utterly failed him leading him to near ruin. Thus the Emperor gathered a large army drawing upon his forces from all across the Empire from even places like Spain, Germany, Italy, Portugal, etc to defeat the large and powerful Russian Army on the battlefield. But Russia was unlike anything the Emperor had faced with the army retreating further inwards refusing to battle the Emperor preferring to used a scorched Earth strategy to deprive the French of any resources with the Russians going so far as to even burn the city of Moscow as soon as the Emperor reached its gates. Seeing himself without any means to resupply his army which was slowly being reduced in number due to starvation, disease, and harassment from enemy troops, the Emperor was forced to retreat with his army from the frozen wastelands of Russia. With France's proud Grand Armee decimated, his enemies seeing weakness turned on him with Prussia and Austria joining a final sixth Coalition against the Emperor determined to crush his Empire and ideals once and for all.The Emperor's retreat from Moscow which saw large portions of his army lost to the cold, disease, starvation, and enemy harassment.The War of the Sixth Coaltion was the final Coalition assembled against France in this Age of Napoleon. With the Emperor's rash decision to invade Russia much of the Emperor's Grand Armee was scattered and broken leaving it a withered husk of its former self. To make matters worse, all of Europe now stood poised and ready to crush the young French Empire heel grinding its legacy and contributions to history into the dust. Any ordinary man would have folded against such terrible circumstances, but Napoleon was no ordinary man. He was the living embodiment of the revolution who single-handedly saved France from ruin from the Coalitions before picking up the Crown from the gutter and built an Empire of such splendor and scale not seen since the heights of Imperial Rome over a millennia ago. Napoleon seeing himself as Caesar incarnate would not let his enemies bring him down and was determined to pull off another Austerlitz demonstrating himself as the master of Europe once and for all, or at least this would have been the case had tragedy not struck during the accursed Battle of Leipzig.The Emperor reviewing his troops before battle determined once more to deliver France from the hands of defeat. With all of Europe marching against France, the Eagle was determined not to go down without a fight, and though he was battered and bruised he was far from broken and in preparation for the final battle of the Leipzig he had raised a new Grand Armee full of fresh recruits and conscripts from the enclaves of the wider French Empire still loyal to their beloved Emperor. What this army lacked in terms of combat experience, they more than made up for in terms of their ferocity, Imperial zeal, and fanatical devotion to the Emperor. The lead up to the battle of Leipzig involved France seeking to try and defend its Imperial holdings and various client states and allies from the Coalition's advances with Napoleon seeking to knock them out of the war in order to arrange a cessation of hostilities allowing for France to negotiate a peace from a position of strength. Unfortunately for the French Emperor, his old foes had studied his tricks and maneuvers over the years and used their knowledge to great effect. The Coalition still fearing the idea of facing the Emperor on the battlefield resolved to instead engage his marshals while avoiding a direct confrontation with Napoleon. Their gamble had paid off with the Coalition scoring a series of victories against the French making Napoleon unable to follow up his victory at the battle of Dresden. This had the effect of stretching the French supply lines to their breaking point while also worsening the desperate situation in regards to Napoleon's manpower deficit and shortage of horses which made him less able to properly scout to gather intelligence on enemy troop movements.A painting depicting the battle of Leipzig.The Coalition offensives of October 18th where they attempted to encircle Napoleon's outnumbered army [1].
But despite the weakened size of Napoleon's Grand Armee, it was still more maneuverable than the large unwieldy combined forces of the Sixth Coalition which the Emperor used to great affect choosing the battlefield of Leipzig whose strategic position allowed Napoleon to maximize his mobility. Among the forces of the Sixth Coalition, were the two main monarchs who had faced Napoleon earlier at Austerlitz: Kaiser Francis I of Austria and Tsar Alexander I were present on the battlefield. This initially led to the command being paralyzed by petty rivalries and incompetence which was gone after the battle had started with the Coalition forces crafting and effective strategy to encircle the outnumbered French army. The Coalition's encirclement was quite effective as Napoleon found himself cut off from resupply leaving him to fight a battle of attrition with his enemies. Seeing that he chance for victory was dwindling fast, the Emperor made peace overtures to the Coalition, but all three monarchs refused. Emperor Napoleon seeing the desperate situation his army was in, made one last desperate gamble to break the encirclement. The Grand Armee triumphantly fought on in a desperate attempt to repulse the Coalition's offensive, but its lack of provisions combined with had taken its toll upon us as the army began to lose discipline. And then all of sudden in the midst of the battle the Emperor like a man possessed picked up a French standard in one hand and beckoned his men to follow him into victory one last time, where he led the charge against the enemy. At that moment with L'Empereur leading his men, the old Revolutionary Artillery Officer at Toulon re-emerged as the Grand Armee began breaking through the encirclement in what seemed like his own Battle of Alesia [2]. But the unthinkable happened as the Emperor fell from his horse after being hit with a lucky enemy shot. Seeing the Emperor fall from his horse, the French army soon lost its cohesion with the soldiers beginning to panic as the Coalition's counteroffensive led by Blucher crushed the broken Grand Armee.The dead Emperor lying in state as his marshals and soldiers wept at his loss.With Napoleon dead, his Empire soon collapsed. The Grand Armee no longer united by the charisma and leadership of its Emperor was scattered and broken with whatever remaining units that had any semblance of cohesion now operating like ships adrift on the sea without a working rudder. Panic had erupted in the streets of Paris when news of the Emperor's defeat reached them. In Royalist bastions like Bordeaux and Vendee armed peasant rebellions in favor of the King broke out with the remnants of the French Army scrambling to put down the rebellion while simultaneously preparing the defense of France. With the death of Emperor Napoleon I, his son the King of Rome, was hastily proclaimed as Emperor Napoleon II with a regency council emerging to defend the interest of the young Emperor. But with the impending arrival of the Coalition's forces, and the imminent restoration of the Bourbon monarchy Marie Louise fled with her son in tow to the court of her father Emperor Francis I of Austria.
After the allies of the Coalition entered Paris, the French Senate declared that Emperor Napoleon II had abdicated the throne in absentia presenting it to Louis-Stanislaw the Comte de Provence who adopted the regnal name of Louis XVIII acknowledging the brief reign of his nephew who died in prison. With Emperor Napoleon now dead, and Napoleon II being carted off to Austria who would no doubt try to raise him as an Austrian rather than as a Frenchman, many assumed that the Bonapartes were finished, doomed to be a mere footnote in the history of France continually ruled by the House of Bourbon, but as history shows us, the Young Eaglet returned with a vengeance to reclaim his birthright as all of Europe trembled once again in fear of the House of Bonaparte.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Footnotes: [1] I know this picture is of the Battle of Leipzig in otl, but the battle basically went similar to otl until Napoleon decided to make his final gamble to try and break the encirclement.
[2] The reference was to Caesar' Battle of Alesia, as Caesar led a daring charge against Vercingetorix's forces which shattered their morale breaking the Gallic army which had encircled and caught Caesar by surprise.
Author's Note: Hi everyone! Here's the prologue for my Napoleonic timeline detailing the rise of the Second French Empire under Napoleon II. I'm planning on cross-posting this timeline from AH as I write it in addition to my Komnenian Eastern Roman timeline.
I hope you guys enjoy reading this timeline as much as I enjoyed writing it. Please feel free to leave comments/questions below.
On AH I'm known as Basileus_Komnenos.
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Post by lordroel on Nov 25, 2020 15:43:54 GMT
Imperator Francorum: A Napoleon II Timeline
“I envy that boy. Glory is waiting there for him: I had to run after her. I will have been Phillip: he will be Alexander. He has only to extend an arm, and the world is his.”
--Napoleon I's remarks about his son to Marshal Ouidnot.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Prologue: The Rise and Fall of the First French EmpireThe French Empire at the height of its territorial extent and influence under Emperor Napoleon I. In order to truly understand the circumstances that led to the rise of Emperor Napoleon II "Auguste" commonly referred to as the Eaglet by the French one must first look towards the past to the events leading up to the fall of the First French Empire: the Battle of Leipzig. France during the Revolution had seen the nation thrown into chaos with the King and Queen executed, and with tyrants, and the incompetent and corrupt directory running France into the ground while inflicting a reign terror upon the population. Through this time of chaos and uncertainty one man rose to the challenge to save France preserving the ideals of the Revolution while ensuring competent and just governance for all peoples: Emperor Napoleon I. A young Napoleon bearing the standard of France while leading his men on the front lines at the Battle of Toulon against the First Coalition against France.Emperor Napoleon I was a man forged in the fires of Revolution tempered by the chaos of the battlefield . With his drive for glory, his unwavering determination, and his grand ambition he raised France and its people to heights it had not seen in centuries since the Carolingians. With his many victories on the battlefield crushing the armies of the various coalitions assembled against France, Napoleon safeguarded the French people from the machinations of the Old Order seeking to reimpose the tyranny and excesses of the Ancien Regime back onto France and its people. And through these daring efforts, he gained acclaim and the French found a new hero to rally behind to place their hopes that they would finally be delivered from the years of anarchy and instability that they had been suffering through.The Coup of 18 Brumaire where the Emperor emerged to provide strong leadership to France.With the incompetent and corrupt Directory mismanaging the nation and its people, a general state of malaise had taken over the populace as its members cared little about the values of Revolution or the people, preferring to aggrandize themselves and their cronies at the expense of the population. Through Coup of 18 Brumaire France was finally relieved of its inept government allowing for Napoleon to create an altogether new system after seizing all political power becoming the virtual dictator of France. With near absolute power in his hands, the Emperor adopted the title of Consul of France hearkening back to the period of the Roman Republic where he perhaps fashioned himself as a Caesar of the 19th Century. Like Caesar, Napoleon was a man of action swiftly working to help restore order in France and overhauling its government and financial system providing it with a balanced budget for the first time in many decades, something which not even the Bourbons and the Revolutionaries had managed to do. In addition to this, he introduced a new form of French Civil Law: The Code Napoleon which serves as the basis for modern Europe's legal framework to this day enshrining the principles of the Revolution establishing the equality of men under the law. While the Revolutionaries, during the Reign of Terror tried to bring down the Church imposing their godless Cult of Reason and Cult of the Supreme Being upon the French, Napoleon stuck a Concordat with the Pope restoring moral values and the place of the Church in French society earning him the support and praise.
An image of the Napoleonic Code amended for the trappings and framework of the French Empire. With the idea of the Republic discredited, to safeguard the ideals of the Revolution, Napoleon chose to Crown himself as Emperor of the French tying together the ideals of monarchy and the Liberalism of the Revolution to create the foundations for a lasting state as France had been a monarchy since its foundation with the Ancient Frankish King Clovis the Great. The return to monarchy and the reconciliation with the Church worked to bring moderates and Conservatives into the fold with many French Emigres returning to France.The Coronation of Emperor Napoleon I depicting his power and the foundation of the House of Bonaparte as a new French Royal Family much to the contempt of most of Europe's royalty.A painting of Emperor Napoleon I in his coronation robes where he is portrayed as both the successor of Charlemagne and the Roman Emperors of Antiquity with the Pomp and Circumstance of his Empire Style Aesthetic.Despite all these domestic accomplishments, France and its Revolutionary ideals were not secure, as the old Powers of Europe continually banded together determined to remove Napoleon whom they saw as an illegitimate usurper once and for all. Yet despite all these odds, Emperor Napoleon managed to continually inflict countless defeats upon the Coalition which enabled him to assert France's geopolitical dominance and hegemony all across Europe. After victories like Austerlitz and Jena, he became the master of Italy and Germany organizing the states into his own client states and allies. With the Confederation of the Rhine being created following the dissolution of the ancient but moribund Holy Roman Empire, Napoleon introduced the Code Napoleon and his Enlightened style of rule all across Europe. Germany was reorganized into the Confederation of the Rhine while in Italy a new Kingdom of Italy while Naples was given to his brother and then later Marshal Murat. This unprecedented dominance over Europe made the French Empire the largest and most far reaching European polity since the Ancient Roman Empire. Though with his reorganization of Northern Italy into the Kingdom of Italy which he later bestowed upon his infant son Napoleon II with the title of Le Roi de Rome (The King of Rome), he signified the pre-eminence of his dynasty and the connections between his Empire and that of the Carolingian Empire of Charlemagne.A painting depicting the Battle of Austerlitz also known as the battle of Three Emperors saw France decisively defeating Russia and Austria during the War of the Third Coalition effectively making Napoleon the master of Continental Europe allowing him to create the Confederation of the Rhine. A painting of Napoleon crossing the Alps. Artwork was a standard piece of Napoleonic propaganda showing himself as the embodiment of the Revolution and the old splendor of the Frankish and Roman Empires. Names like Hannibal and Charlemagne with the Latin form Karolus Magnus help to cast Napoleon as their spiritual successor.A contemporary marble bust of Emperor Napoleon I depicting him with the Iron Crown of Lombardy: the ancient crown of past Kings of Italy allegedly forged from an iron nail from the True Cross. However all of this glory and splendor began to unravel with the Emperor's rash and ill fated attempt to add Spain into its Empire. The Peninsular War or "Napoleon's Spanish Ulcer" as its commonly referred to strained France's resources with many of the Emperor's best troops caught in Spain spreading his forces too thinly to effectively maintain his Empire. Smelling blood in the water, France's allies soon moved against her declaring war seeking to snuff if out of existence once and for all. But Napoleon once again defeated the armies of the Coalition forging an alliance with Tsar Alexander in the hopes of securing his empire allowing him to isolate Britain. Feeling secure in his standing, the Emperor made the grave error of enacting the Continental System in attempt to construct a pan-European blockade of Britain in the hopes that by economic interests it would be forced to the negotiating table allowing France to forge a lasting peace.
Unfortunately for His Majesty Emperor Napoleon, the Continental System backfired as Britain still had ongoing trade with its other overseas colonies and with the Americas. The results for French and European traders was catastrophic to say the least, as the inferior quality of French goods to certain British goods made them unattractive to European markets. As a result of this crime and smuggling became widespread with many nations choosing to openly flout the conventions of the Continental System to avoid total economic collapse. Russia under Tsar Alexander I became openly hostile to Napoleonic France with it withdrawing from the Continental System and resuming trade with Britain forcing the Emperor to being his ill fated invasion of Russia.
Russia openly withdrawing from the provisions of the Continental System in Napoleon's eyes was an insult to France also setting the example that he was no longer to be feared or respected. By punitively invading, and defeating Russia, the Emperor would have essentially made an example out of it and demonstrated to the rest of the world that the Sun was still rising over Imperial France. But where Napoleon's drive and ambition had led him to success many times throughout his long and illustrious life, here it utterly failed him leading him to near ruin. Thus the Emperor gathered a large army drawing upon his forces from all across the Empire from even places like Spain, Germany, Italy, Portugal, etc to defeat the large and powerful Russian Army on the battlefield. But Russia was unlike anything the Emperor had faced with the army retreating further inwards refusing to battle the Emperor preferring to used a scorched Earth strategy to deprive the French of any resources with the Russians going so far as to even burn the city of Moscow as soon as the Emperor reached its gates. Seeing himself without any means to resupply his army which was slowly being reduced in number due to starvation, disease, and harassment from enemy troops, the Emperor was forced to retreat with his army from the frozen wastelands of Russia. With France's proud Grand Armee decimated, his enemies seeing weakness turned on him with Prussia and Austria joining a final sixth Coalition against the Emperor determined to crush his Empire and ideals once and for all.The Emperor's retreat from Moscow which saw large portions of his army lost to the cold, disease, starvation, and enemy harassment.The War of the Sixth Coaltion was the final Coalition assembled against France in this Age of Napoleon. With the Emperor's rash decision to invade Russia much of the Emperor's Grand Armee was scattered and broken leaving it a withered husk of its former self. To make matters worse, all of Europe now stood poised and ready to crush the young French Empire heel grinding its legacy and contributions to history into the dust. Any ordinary man would have folded against such terrible circumstances, but Napoleon was no ordinary man. He was the living embodiment of the revolution who single-handedly saved France from ruin from the Coalitions before picking up the Crown from the gutter and built an Empire of such splendor and scale not seen since the heights of Imperial Rome over a millennia ago. Napoleon seeing himself as Caesar incarnate would not let his enemies bring him down and was determined to pull off another Austerlitz demonstrating himself as the master of Europe once and for all, or at least this would have been the case had tragedy not struck during the accursed Battle of Leipzig.The Emperor reviewing his troops before battle determined once more to deliver France from the hands of defeat. With all of Europe marching against France, the Eagle was determined not to go down without a fight, and though he was battered and bruised he was far from broken and in preparation for the final battle of the Leipzig he had raised a new Grand Armee full of fresh recruits and conscripts from the enclaves of the wider French Empire still loyal to their beloved Emperor. What this army lacked in terms of combat experience, they more than made up for in terms of their ferocity, Imperial zeal, and fanatical devotion to the Emperor. The lead up to the battle of Leipzig involved France seeking to try and defend its Imperial holdings and various client states and allies from the Coalition's advances with Napoleon seeking to knock them out of the war in order to arrange a cessation of hostilities allowing for France to negotiate a peace from a position of strength. Unfortunately for the French Emperor, his old foes had studied his tricks and maneuvers over the years and used their knowledge to great effect. The Coalition still fearing the idea of facing the Emperor on the battlefield resolved to instead engage his marshals while avoiding a direct confrontation with Napoleon. Their gamble had paid off with the Coalition scoring a series of victories against the French making Napoleon unable to follow up his victory at the battle of Dresden. This had the effect of stretching the French supply lines to their breaking point while also worsening the desperate situation in regards to Napoleon's manpower deficit and shortage of horses which made him less able to properly scout to gather intelligence on enemy troop movements.A painting depicting the battle of Leipzig.The Coalition offensives of October 18th where they attempted to encircle Napoleon's outnumbered army [1].
But despite the weakened size of Napoleon's Grand Armee, it was still more maneuverable than the large unwieldy combined forces of the Sixth Coalition which the Emperor used to great affect choosing the battlefield of Leipzig whose strategic position allowed Napoleon to maximize his mobility. Among the forces of the Sixth Coalition, were the two main monarchs who had faced Napoleon earlier at Austerlitz: Kaiser Francis I of Austria and Tsar Alexander I were present on the battlefield. This initially led to the command being paralyzed by petty rivalries and incompetence which was gone after the battle had started with the Coalition forces crafting and effective strategy to encircle the outnumbered French army. The Coalition's encirclement was quite effective as Napoleon found himself cut off from resupply leaving him to fight a battle of attrition with his enemies. Seeing that he chance for victory was dwindling fast, the Emperor made peace overtures to the Coalition, but all three monarchs refused. Emperor Napoleon seeing the desperate situation his army was in, made one last desperate gamble to break the encirclement. The Grand Armee triumphantly fought on in a desperate attempt to repulse the Coalition's offensive, but its lack of provisions combined with had taken its toll upon us as the army began to lose discipline. And then all of sudden in the midst of the battle the Emperor like a man possessed picked up a French standard in one hand and beckoned his men to follow him into victory one last time, where he led the charge against the enemy. At that moment with L'Empereur leading his men, the old Revolutionary Artillery Officer at Toulon re-emerged as the Grand Armee began breaking through the encirclement in what seemed like his own Battle of Alesia [2]. But the unthinkable happened as the Emperor fell from his horse after being hit with a lucky enemy shot. Seeing the Emperor fall from his horse, the French army soon lost its cohesion with the soldiers beginning to panic as the Coalition's counteroffensive led by Blucher crushed the broken Grand Armee.The dead Emperor lying in state as his marshals and soldiers wept at his loss.With Napoleon dead, his Empire soon collapsed. The Grand Armee no longer united by the charisma and leadership of its Emperor was scattered and broken with whatever remaining units that had any semblance of cohesion now operating like ships adrift on the sea without a working rudder. Panic had erupted in the streets of Paris when news of the Emperor's defeat reached them. In Royalist bastions like Bordeaux and Vendee armed peasant rebellions in favor of the King broke out with the remnants of the French Army scrambling to put down the rebellion while simultaneously preparing the defense of France. With the death of Emperor Napoleon I, his son the King of Rome, was hastily proclaimed as Emperor Napoleon II with a regency council emerging to defend the interest of the young Emperor. But with the impending arrival of the Coalition's forces, and the imminent restoration of the Bourbon monarchy Marie Louise fled with her son in tow to the court of her father Emperor Francis I of Austria.
After the allies of the Coalition entered Paris, the French Senate declared that Emperor Napoleon II had abdicated the throne in absentia presenting it to Louis-Stanislaw the Comte de Provence who adopted the regnal name of Louis XVIII acknowledging the brief reign of his nephew who died in prison. With Emperor Napoleon now dead, and Napoleon II being carted off to Austria who would no doubt try to raise him as an Austrian rather than as a Frenchman, many assumed that the Bonapartes were finished, doomed to be a mere footnote in the history of France continually ruled by the House of Bourbon, but as history shows us, the Young Eaglet returned with a vengeance to reclaim his birthright as all of Europe trembled once again in fear of the House of Bonaparte.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Footnotes: [1] I know this picture is of the Battle of Leipzig in otl, but the battle basically went similar to otl until Napoleon decided to make his final gamble to try and break the encirclement.
[2] The reference was to Caesar' Battle of Alesia, as Caesar led a daring charge against Vercingetorix's forces which shattered their morale breaking the Gallic army which had encircled and caught Caesar by surprise.
Author's Note: Hi everyone! Here's the prologue for my Napoleonic timeline detailing the rise of the Second French Empire under Napoleon II. I'm planning on cross-posting this timeline from AH as I write it in addition to my Komnenian Eastern Roman timeline.
I hope you guys enjoy reading this timeline as much as I enjoyed writing it. Please feel free to leave comments/questions below.
On AH I'm known as Basileus_Komnenos. Well i cannot wait what the young emperor has plans for, keep it up.
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Post by stevep on Nov 25, 2020 16:58:24 GMT
easternroman1453 , Interesting. A Napoleon who died in battle at Leipzig rather than continuing the unnecessary bloodletting for another year might be better remembered in France than as OTL. You won't have the loss of a lot of very young conscripts in the final stages of the defeat of his empire.
Also there are going to be political impacts. Without the allies having to march all the way to Paris the restored Bourbons are likely to get an even more generous deal in terms of borders than OTL. Plus some of his allies might suffer less loss of lands. Although there would still be a desire by the allies to prevent an aggressive France posing a new threat to the peace of Europe as happened OTL so probably not a great difference.
Napoleon II was born in 1811 so is currently a small child and is unlikely to be a significant figure in his own right for a couple of decades, although he might be seen as a suitable symbol for other players. Whether actual supporters of the imperial cause or those who might push such ideas for their own ends. A lot would also depend on what happens with the Bourbons of course.
With an earlier ending of the Napoleonic wars and no resurgence by the emperor himself in the 100 days what would the butterflies be for the 1812 conflict? Britain can send reinforcements to aid Canada earlier and I think they still had more of the old NW area than by Napoleon's OTL defeat so do they want to punish the US for its attacks or are they willing to make peace without border changes?
With less fighting I wonder if Prussia is going to have a smaller role than OTL compared to Austria, which might delay or even possibly butterfly its rise to be the dominant power in Germany.
Plenty of things that can happen compared to OTL before Napoleon II becomes a major issue for Europe again and it will be interesting to see what you come up with.
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Post by easternroman1453 on Nov 25, 2020 18:10:18 GMT
Well i cannot wait what the young emperor has plans for, keep it up. Glad you're intrigued by it so far. Currently on AH I'm writing the chapter on the Bourbon restoration, but because of looming finals that chapter won't be finished in until around early/mid December. Interesting. A Napoleon who died in battle at Leipzig rather than continuing the unnecessary bloodletting for another year might be better remembered in France than as OTL. You won't have the loss of a lot of very young conscripts in the final stages of the defeat of his empire. Though the downside is that there's no six days campaign which arguably was one of his best military endeavors to date. He did so well that some members of the Sixth Coalition wanted to withdraw from the fighting. Also there are going to be political impacts. Without the allies having to march all the way to Paris the restored Bourbons are likely to get an even more generous deal in terms of borders than OTL. Plus some of his allies might suffer less loss of lands. Although there would still be a desire by the allies to prevent an aggressive France posing a new threat to the peace of Europe as happened OTL so probably not a great difference. Well despite the Emperor being dead, there are still others around. Much like the Empire in Star wars, even if you cut off the head, the remnants while fractured still are enough of a threat to warrant military action. Napoleon II was born in 1811 so is currently a small child and is unlikely to be a significant figure in his own right for a couple of decades, although he might be seen as a suitable symbol for other players. Though even in otl Napoleon had a huge cult following within the army. Some ex-Napoleonic veterans hatched a plan to kidnap the Eaglet from his gilded cage in Vienna in order to Crown him as Emperor. With an earlier ending of the Napoleonic wars and no resurgence by the emperor himself in the 100 days what would the butterflies be for the 1812 conflict? Britain can send reinforcements to aid Canada earlier and I think they still had more of the old NW area than by Napoleon's OTL defeat so do they want to punish the US for its attacks or are they willing to make peace without border changes? I like the way you think. I do have plans for the Americas. Let's just say that the history of how things went down in both North and South America are going to be in some ways the same, and in some ways, vastly divergent from otl. Though I do plan on covering the War of 1812. With less fighting I wonder if Prussia is going to have a smaller role than OTL compared to Austria, which might delay or even possibly butterfly its rise to be the dominant power in Germany. Aside from Austria, they were the most prestigious state within Germany in otl, so I don't imagine too much to change in that regard. But Austria as of 1814 is certainly more powerful than Prussia which had its teeth kicked in by Napoleon. While Austria lost a lot of territory, the bulk of its vast dominion in the Carpathians/Balkans supplemented them. Hungary much like it did for Kaiser Franz's grandmother supported the Habsburgs to the hilt and were one of the more loyal states in the Habsburg orbit. Plenty of things that can happen compared to OTL before Napoleon II becomes a major issue for Europe again and it will be interesting to see what you come up with. I plan on a whole series of things happening in 1820's as well which are a consequence of Napoleon's death. Were you on AH at one point? Your username seems familiar to me.
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Post by stevep on Nov 26, 2020 11:03:18 GMT
Well i cannot wait what the young emperor has plans for, keep it up. Glad you're intrigued by it so far. Currently on AH I'm writing the chapter on the Bourbon restoration, but because of looming finals that chapter won't be finished in until around early/mid December. Interesting. A Napoleon who died in battle at Leipzig rather than continuing the unnecessary bloodletting for another year might be better remembered in France than as OTL. You won't have the loss of a lot of very young conscripts in the final stages of the defeat of his empire. Though the downside is that there's no six days campaign which arguably was one of his best military endeavors to date. He did so well that some members of the Sixth Coalition wanted to withdraw from the fighting. Also there are going to be political impacts. Without the allies having to march all the way to Paris the restored Bourbons are likely to get an even more generous deal in terms of borders than OTL. Plus some of his allies might suffer less loss of lands. Although there would still be a desire by the allies to prevent an aggressive France posing a new threat to the peace of Europe as happened OTL so probably not a great difference. Well despite the Emperor being dead, there are still others around. Much like the Empire in Star wars, even if you cut off the head, the remnants while fractured still are enough of a threat to warrant military action. Napoleon II was born in 1811 so is currently a small child and is unlikely to be a significant figure in his own right for a couple of decades, although he might be seen as a suitable symbol for other players. Though even in otl Napoleon had a huge cult following within the army. Some ex-Napoleonic veterans hatched a plan to kidnap the Eaglet from his gilded cage in Vienna in order to Crown him as Emperor. With an earlier ending of the Napoleonic wars and no resurgence by the emperor himself in the 100 days what would the butterflies be for the 1812 conflict? Britain can send reinforcements to aid Canada earlier and I think they still had more of the old NW area than by Napoleon's OTL defeat so do they want to punish the US for its attacks or are they willing to make peace without border changes? I like the way you think. I do have plans for the Americas. Let's just say that the history of how things went down in both North and South America are going to be in some ways the same, and in some ways, vastly divergent from otl. Though I do plan on covering the War of 1812. With less fighting I wonder if Prussia is going to have a smaller role than OTL compared to Austria, which might delay or even possibly butterfly its rise to be the dominant power in Germany. Aside from Austria, they were the most prestigious state within Germany in otl, so I don't imagine too much to change in that regard. But Austria as of 1814 is certainly more powerful than Prussia which had its teeth kicked in by Napoleon. While Austria lost a lot of territory, the bulk of its vast dominion in the Carpathians/Balkans supplemented them. Hungary much like it did for Kaiser Franz's grandmother supported the Habsburgs to the hilt and were one of the more loyal states in the Habsburg orbit. Plenty of things that can happen compared to OTL before Napoleon II becomes a major issue for Europe again and it will be interesting to see what you come up with. I plan on a whole series of things happening in 1820's as well which are a consequence of Napoleon's death. Were you on AH at one point? Your username seems familiar to me.
By all means take your time. Real life comes 1st and best wishes with the exams. Plus not rushing it would mean your happier with the story and probably producing an overall better story.
One factor if the empire collapses without fighting on French territory is that there's no looting by the French army with alienated a lot of the people. Since the army had got so used to 'living off the land' during the years of success and there was no real alternative most of the time. Also without any real fighting inside French borders you could have some equivalent of the post WWI attitude by German right wingers and militarists - that the army/Bonaparte dynasty wasn't defeated but was stabbed in the back.
The interesting bit here might be Murat. OTL he was left in charge of Naples but then lost it when he rejoined Napoleon during the 100 days. Checking he only switched sides after the defeat at Leipzig so that could possibly still occur or the allies might decide even if he makes an offer, to remove him with less fighting required to restore the Bourbons in France. If he was still left in charge of Naples without having clearly deserted Napoleon before the latter's earlier death here his realm might be a region where Bonapartist sentiment and loyalist gather. Although he couldn't be too open about something like that as it would be likely to prompt his removal.
As you say there were plans OTL for veterans to kidnap Napoleon II and use him as a symbol for a revival of the dynasty/empire but that probably wouldn't be a good idea for him as its likely to prompt a new alliance at a time when fear and hostility toward the dynasty is at a height.
In terms of the 1812 war an earlier ending provides prospects for differences there. Probably still a similar result as OTL is more likely but a stronger British response could mean a shifting of some borders southwards in the Great Lakes region to get a protectorate for the Indian tribes or if the war lasts longer as a result possibly even a breakaway by the New England area which was bitterly hostile to the war. Especially the latter would have a big impact on both Anglo-American relations and even more so internal developments inside the US as the position of slavery would be dramatically increased, at least for the next few decades.
The other factor here, especially if say the conflict with the US was longer and more bitter Britain could have a more conservative regime which might mean it doesn't block the French plans for a reactionary combination to restore Spanish power in its Latin American empire when that rebels. Although as well as political Britain had strong economic interests in blocking such a move as it meant the new free countries were open to British trade.
Agree, thinking about it, that there probably won't be much change in the status of Prussia, Concern about a revanchist France is still going to prompt a desire for guarding both N Italy and western German and I can't see anyone [outside Vienna] wanting the Hapsburg's doing both so your very likely to see the consolidation of the Rhineland/Westphalia regions under Prussia which was the thing that really gave it a base other than a very efficient army that allowed it to punch above its weight.
Yes I was on AH for a while, until I had a dispute with a 'moderator' about what I felt was an unbalanced judgement and level but that was about a decade ago. Pretty much the same username as I use that everywhere. Didn't write any TLs myself but quite liked responding to ones I enjoyed.
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Post by easternroman1453 on Nov 26, 2020 23:33:15 GMT
By all means take your time. Real life comes 1st and best wishes with the exams. Plus not rushing it would mean your happier with the story and probably producing an overall better story. Thanks man! One factor if the empire collapses without fighting on French territory is that there's no looting by the French army with alienated a lot of the people. Since the army had got so used to 'living off the land' during the years of success and there was no real alternative most of the time. Also without any real fighting inside French borders you could have some equivalent of the post WWI attitude by German right wingers and militarists - that the army/Bonaparte dynasty wasn't defeated but was stabbed in the back. Yup. Plus Napoleon now is remembered much more fondly than in otl, as a martyr. The interesting bit here might be Murat. OTL he was left in charge of Naples but then lost it when he rejoined Napoleon during the 100 days. Checking he only switched sides after the defeat at Leipzig so that could possibly still occur or the allies might decide even if he makes an offer, to remove him with less fighting required to restore the Bourbons in France. If he was still left in charge of Naples without having clearly deserted Napoleon before the latter's earlier death here his realm might be a region where Bonapartist sentiment and loyalist gather. Although he couldn't be too open about something like that as it would be likely to prompt his removal. I think you're going to love the next chapter detailing the aftermath of L'Empereur's death. As you say there were plans OTL for veterans to kidnap Napoleon II and use him as a symbol for a revival of the dynasty/empire but that probably wouldn't be a good idea for him as its likely to prompt a new alliance at a time when fear and hostility toward the dynasty is at a height. Plus Metternich would no doubt keep him under heavy supervision. Even if Napoleon II was kidnapped, its unlikely the conspirators would make it out of Austria's border, or even out of Vienna. In terms of the 1812 war an earlier ending provides prospects for differences there. Probably still a similar result as OTL is more likely but a stronger British response could mean a shifting of some borders southwards in the Great Lakes region to get a protectorate for the Indian tribes or if the war lasts longer These were my thoughts as well. Though at one point, President Madison almost got captured by British troops. Its honestly quite interesting to see how things change if the US is so humiliated like that. Honestly if Andrew Jackson manages to win New Orleans like in otl, his popularity would probably be even greater than otl thanks to it contrasting with the humiliation of the War's end. How do you see the Civil War develop if it does occur at all? Especially the latter would have a big impact on both Anglo-American relations and even more so internal developments inside the US as the position of slavery would be dramatically increased, at least for the next few decades. possibly even a breakaway by the New England area which was bitterly hostile to the war. Especially the latter would have a big impact on both Anglo-American relations and even more so internal developments inside the US as the position of slavery would be dramatically increased, at least for the next few decades. I don't think its likely that the Hartford Convention would actually try to secede from the Union. That was seen as a last resort and it was viewed as an extreme action. Plus the Federalists were losing relevance as a political party during this period. Agree, thinking about it, that there probably won't be much change in the status of Prussia, Concern about a revanchist France is still going to prompt a desire for guarding both N Italy and western German and I can't see anyone [outside Vienna] wanting the Hapsburg's doing both so your very likely to see the consolidation of the Rhineland/Westphalia regions under Prussia which was the thing that really gave it a base other than a very efficient army that allowed it to punch above its weight. Yup. Though the lingering question of who leads Germany will likely start another war. Yes I was on AH for a while, until I had a dispute with a 'moderator' about what I felt was an unbalanced judgement and level but that was about a decade ago. Pretty much the same username as I use that everywhere. Didn't write any TLs myself but quite liked responding to ones I enjoyed.
Steve Yeah its kinda why I have a rule for myself on forums like AH, SB, SV, etc. where I stick only to the Alt. History/Creative Writing sections as the other political stuff and forum drama isn't for me.
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Post by easternroman1453 on Nov 27, 2020 9:07:08 GMT
I. The Aftermath A painting depicting Emperor Napoleon's last stand at the Battle of Leipzig where he was embraced by his Old Guard who went down heroically defending and fighting alongside their Emperor who lead the charge to break the Coalition's encirclement. With the death its Emperor, the administrative and military structures of the Empire and its various political arrangements, and networks of allied and dependent states were left decapitated. Without the personage of the Emperor to unite the various disparate factions and peoples he ruled, the Empire was now rudderless and began to come apart at the seams. The remaining Bonaparte Loyalists and French patriots seeking to keep the Empire together lacked the means and the legitimacy to do so with the Grand Armee scattered and in shambles following the defeat at Leipzig. Now in the face of the Coalition's advancing armies, Europe was now free to be shaped in the vision of the Old Reactionary powers. A painting depicting Eugène de Beauharnais while under service of Emperor Napoleon I as his viceroy of Italy. Eugène fought alongside the Emperor on the battlefield with distinction and is commonly referred to by historians, as the ablest of his relatives. In Italy the ever Loyal Eugène de Beauharnais stayed loyal to Bonaparte dynasty where he proclaimed himself as Regent and Viceroy of the Napoleonic Kingdom of Rome in the interests of Emperor Napoleon II. But with the Austrians invading from the North, and the combined Anglo-Sardinian invasion from the South, Eugene's position looked untenable. While many of the Napoleonic client state and dependencies surrendered in the face of the advancing enemy armies, Eugene de Beauhrarnais refused to go down without a fight. Eugene was Emperor Napoleon's stepson, and with his biological father executed by the Revolutionaries because of his aristocratic heritage, he and his sister looked to the Emperor as a sort of fraternal/father figure. The death of Emperor Napoleon threw Eugene into a manic fit of rage of grief where he decided against the advice of his advisers and his own family and go down fighting seeking to avenge the man whom looked to almost as a father. A map depicting the French Empire dominion and client-states in Italy [1]. In the battles for Italy, Eugene proved his martial skill by repelling the Austrian invasion north of the Alps near Venice. The Austrian troops high on their victory at Leipzig and their near bloodless reconquest of the Illyrian provinces were caught unaware by the ambush and fervor of Eugene's troops, many of whom were those who joined under Eugene's command after fighting alongside of the Emperor. The Emperor's death in battle against the Austrian troops enraged many in the French army who wanted an opportunity to avenge their fallen Emperor who had brought them and France glory with his many victories. Seeing his position in Rome as untenable, Eugene withdrew his Franco-Italian forces from the region and withdrew into his core territories after having Pope Pius VII released and reinstalled as Rome's ruler. Through the use of the Sardinian and British fleet, a small Anglo-Sardinian force landed in Genoa where they were fought to a stalemate by Eugene halting their advance in its tracks. While Eugene was talented on the field of battle, he knew his days were numbered with his limited numbers, and him being cut off from French support with the Empire now fallen and him nearly surrounded on all sides by the enemy. Eugene knew that any chance he had to ensure the Kingdom of Italy's survival, he had to coordinate with his other fellow Napoleonic veteran: Marshal Murat Napoleon's flamboyant cavalry commander and brother in law to Napoleon I and Uncle by marriage to Emperor Napoleon II. A painting depicting Joachim Murat, King of Naples, Marshal of the French Empire during his coronation. Eugene's downfall came with the treachery of Murat, the King of Naples whose betrayal is burned in the national consciousness of every Frenchman. Murat seeking to secure his throne had turned on Eugene siding with the Coalition going as far as to formally declare war on Eugene and opening Neopolitian ports to the British fleet facilitating Anglo-Sardinian troops in their invasion of Italy from the South. Now surrounded on all sides by the enemy, Eugene formally surrendered to the coalition seeing that his situation was hopeless and after his family beseeched him to give up fighting. He was allowed to flee to the Court of his Father in law King Maximilian of Bavaria where he would retire and was bestowed with the titles of the dukedom of Leuchentenberg and the Principality of Eichstätt. The vile traitor Murat had secretly opened negotiations with the Austrians in exchange for allowing him to keep his throne as far back as Emperor Napoleon's fateful decision to fight at Leipzig where he decided to abandon his Emperor and friend betraying his fellow Frenchmen. This notion was put in his head bye the Emperor's own sister Caroline Bonaparte whom Napoleon II later referred to as "Murat's whore" after excising her name from the House of Bonaparte. Caroline's and Murat's betrayal had shocked the other Bonapartes and the other prominent Bonapartists and had kicked off the fierce rivalry and blood feud between the House of Bonaparte and the House of Murat which would reach its climax during the Wars of Italian Unification. With the Emperor now dead, and its various allied states and client states now overrun by the combined might of the Coalition, Europe was now free to molded in the vision of the Reactionaries and the Ancien Regimes of Europe seeking to overturn the legacy of the Revolution and its ideals that Napoleon was an embodiment of. This took place at the Congress of Vienna where the various nations of Europe sought to forge a lasting peace in Europe that would be tempered by the principles of the balance of power where no one nation would be strong enough to dominate Europe in the same way Napoleon I or the Sun King Louis XIV did. Of course to a modern reader this notion seemed ridiculous when looking at the rise of Eaglet and the future waves of Revolution and spreading violence and chaos all throughout Europe, but to the people living in that era, it genuinely looked as though the old powers had won with the Revolution crushed and the Bourbons restored to their thrones. The allied armies marching in Paris at the Place de la Concorde after installing the Bourbons to their throne restoring the Kingdom of France. The diplomatic summit called the Congress of Vienna was composed of the Coalition member states' heads of state and other various dignitaries from other various dignitaries from other minor allied nation states and principalities. This was the largest diplomatic congregation Europe had ever seen at this point in history. With the Revolution seemingly crushed, the various monarchs of Europe sought to rest its clock to the days before the Revolution where notions of Divine Right and Feudal rite and authorial fiat were unquestioned concepts in Europe. In accordance with these principles, the Kingdom of France was restored with the French people once again placed under rule by the House of Bourbon under King Louis XVIII or Louis-Stanislaw Comte de Provence. Louis XVIII referred to by both Bonapartist and Republican historiographers as the Bourbon pretender was the brother of the late King Louis XVI who along with his wife Queen Marie-Antoinette was infamously executed by Revolutionaries during the French Revolution. His son the titular King Louis XVII died imprisoned at the under the Revolutionaries. The political boundaries of the Kingdom of France after the 1814 Treaty of Paris formally established the Bourbon Restoration While France after the Revolution had expanded into the Rhine River and the Alps securing ancient objective of the Kings of France, under the Coalition, but with the 1814 Treaty of Paris, its hard fought conquests were stripped from stripped from it with the nation reduced it its borders in 1792 borders. While these territorial losses were quite large France's core military and economic strengths were preserved with France allowed to keep strategically important regions like Saarbrücken whose coal mines gave France greater access and resources to industrialize later in the 19th century. France still remained a Great Power irregardless of these concessions. This was largely maintained thanks to the efforts of the Prince of Talleyrand Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord who along with Klemens von Metternich, were the greatest diplomats of their generation. Through Talleyrand's diplomatic posturing France was spared from the wrath of the Coalition unlike other allied states like the Kingdom of Saxony who unfortunately took its full brunt. A watercolor painting depicting the various monarchs and dignitaries gathered together at the Congress of Vienna discussing the future of Europe. A portrait of Talleyrand whose efforts largely allowed France to emerge intact out of the Congress of Vienna Talleyrand despite the fact that he turned traitor to Napoleon when he sabotaged the Emperor's attempts to ally with Tsar Alexander, managed to gain France a seat at the negotiating table as another fellow Great Power: a rare instance of a defeated power being granted a seat at the negotiating table. One of the Congress' objectives was to keep France powerful, but contained so that it would be strong enough to serve as a counterbalance against Russia and the United Kingdom, but not enough so that it would be able to conquer and impose its hegemony over Europe like it did under Emperor Napoleon and the Sun King Louis XIV. Conversely by not treating France as harshly as it could have, it reduced the obstacles and opposition to the re-imposition of the Bourbon ensuring the smoothest possible transition of power from the Provisional Government to the rule of the more moderate King Louis XVIII. In regards to Germany, the question remained of what to do with various new German state-lets, principalities, and Kingdoms which once made up the Holy Roman Empire: the millennium old polity that once dominated Central Europe beginning with Emperor Charlemagne's (Karl der Große in German) coronation on Christmas day in the year 800. After the Empire fragmented with the various wars and subdivisions following the end of the Carolingians, the Empire was finally reconstituted under Kaiser Otto I "The Great" after he repulsed the Pagan Magyar [3] incursions Europe and took the Crown of Italy from King Berengar II. He was the King of East Francia the ancient forebear to the Medieval Kingdom of Germany. Being an ancient polity stretching over 1,000 years, the nature of this realm, and its power and institutions varied with the Empire fragmenting and the Emperor losing much of his powers and influence following the end of the Hohenstaufen Dynasty. After a long interregnum filled with infighting and civil strife among the various German princes, the Habsburgs managed to take control dominating the Empire with its many strategic marriages, and clever use of diplomacy which allowed it to assert its hegemony over the Empire's core of Germany.To many at the time, it seemed as though Austria would unite the various Germanic realms into a sort of federalized Holy-Roman Empire, as after the loss of direct control over Italy, the Empire's official title became the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation under Emperor Maximilian I von Habsburg. Few at the time could have anticipated the Rise of Prussia with the reign of King Frederick II "The Great." The de Jure territories of the HRE in 1792 on the eve of the eve of the Revolution. But now the Holy Roman Empire was officially dead with the Empire being dissolved by Emperor Francis II in the face of Napoleon's onslaught and conquests within Germany and Italy which he organized into the Confederation of the Rhine and the Kingdom of Italy. The dissolution of the HRE at the time was seen as controversial and illegal by some of the lesser German Princes and the Pope as there was no real precedent for such an action by the Emperor in its history. This however had the effect of Austria crafting one unitary state out of its various dominions into a single unitary state with Emperor Francis II proclaiming himself as Emperor of Austria uniting the Crowns of the Apostolic Kingdom of Hungary, the Kingdom of Bohemia, and the Archduchy of Austria. However with Napoleon now defeated, the questions of how Germany wold be reconstituted in accordance with the principles of the Coalition and the Congress of Vienna loomed over everyone's heads. The Old Emperor Francis I of Austria was in favor of restoring the moribund HRE and resuming his ancient and ancestral titles that once belonged to his ancestors. Some of the other minor German principalities and states were also in favor of this so they would have a means of preserving their autonomy and territorial integrity without fear of being subsumed or dominated by a larger political entity like Prussia or the Kingdom of Hanover. Though there was opposition from other parties as well like the Prussians who didn't want to be under Austrian dominion especially in its weakened state following the many defeats it suffered under Napoleon. There also remained the question who the Emperor would be in this instance as many did not want to seen another Habsburg resurgence in Europe, and there was the issue of Protestantism and Catholicism which also served as dividing lines among the various Germanic realms. One of the purposes of the historical Holy Roman Empire was to provide order to Europe as the Universal Christian Empire like what the Western Roman Empire of antiquity was, but with the Protestant Reformation occurring, Europe's religious unity was shattered with the Empire's rai·son d'ê·tre ceasing to exist, and the Empire carrying on due to the historical and cultural inertia it had over the geographic region which we now consider modern Germany. There was also the issue of German Nationalism, which called for one unified pan German State. The Holy Roman Empire while being a loose confederation near the end of its life, still had its own institutions that carried some weight. With the dissolution of the Empire, and the unification of Austria’s various possessions into one Habsburg Empire, the question remained of what would happen to the non-German parts of the Empire. Hungary was never legally part of the Empire and was administered separately alongside Bohemia. Including such a massive realm inside the HRE would threaten the other smaller German states. It was for these reasons that the German Confederation was created at the Congress of Vienna. While functionally similar in the role that the Late HRE played in Central Europe, but unlike the old Holy Roman Empire, this new Confederation of German states had a more secular and pseudo-Republican character with the confederation's nominal leader's title being mere President rather than Imperator Romanorum, or the Germanic equivalent: Kaiser. This implied that the Confederation would be more of an egalitarian character rather than having monarchical overtones with Emperor being the nominal feudal overlord of the various member states. One of Napoleon's lasting contributions to Germany was his mediatisation of the various scattered and fragmented German principalities, fiefdoms, and other states into the Confederation of the Rhine providing order to the various German states. Seeing this mediatisation as useful, the Congress resolved to have 37 new member states emerge in this Confederation which was a marked improvement from the well over 300 individual states and state-lets that made up the HRE, and keeping with the Germanic nature of the Confederation, only the dejure lands considered part of the Medieval Kingdom of Germany was included in the Confederation. A map depicting the various member states comprising the German Confederation.
Though one of the main issues that manifested itself in the Congress of Vienna was the Polish Saxon Crisis and the issues of the other Napoleonic successor states. Prior to the Revolution, the once great Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth had been partitioned by Austria, Prussia, and Russia. But with Napoleon's army marching into Central Europe where he crushed the armies of the three nations the Polish people saw a chance to regain their independence. Napoleon thus created the Grand Duchy of Warsaw, making it a client state in a Personal union with King Frederick Augustus of Saxony anchoring both to the French Empire. To the Russians, the idea of an independent Poland was intolerable as it would serve as a springboard for any invasion into their Empire. Not to mention that it would spark unrest among the various Polish minority groups within the Russian Empire. As such when the Sixth Coalition started moving against Napoleon, the Grand Duchy of Warsaw came back under Russian occupation while the Kingdom of Saxony fought fiercely against its historic enemy the Kingdom of Prussia. The Prussians wanted to annex all of Saxony to gain access to its wealth and to fulfill the ambitions of the Great King Frederick II, and to punish it for fighting nearly to the end along with Napoleon. The Russians wanted control over Poland as concessions for its involvement in the war seeking to impose a balance of power. The Austrians wanted to check Russian expansion, and to keep one of their historic allies: The Kingdom of Saxony from being subsumed into Prussia. To mediate this dispute, a compromise was negotiated where Saxony ceded much of its territory to Prussia while Russia was given a theoretically independent Polish State informally known as the Congress Poland ruled in a Personal Union with Russia with Tsar Alexander I as its King due to his more liberal views. The Austrian Netherlands was granted to the Dutch to provide a buffer and veritable check on French expansionism. Austria was granted compensation by being made the effective overlord of Italy with it being granted control of Venetia and Milan which made up the sub-kingdom known as the Kingdom of Lombardy-Venetia. The new map of Europe as laid out by the Congress of Vienna [2]. While many traditionalists wanted the House of Bourbon restored to all of its de Jure holdings, due to duplicity of the Murats turning cloaks on their French brethren, the Kingdom of Naples was kept from the Bourbons much to the chagrin of the Sicilian branch and the other senior rulers of France and Spain. This arrangement suited both Austria and Britain as it would serve to limit French influence and hegemony from re-emerging through the dynastic connections between the members of the House of Bourbon. With the main issues plaguing the Congress settled, the main powers sought to create a precedent to diplomatically resolve the varying issues between nations while working together to crush any lingering embers of Revolution that may try to spark new flames once again. This accord between nations is often referred to as the Metternich System after its chief architect working to create a peace hailed as monumental as the Peace of Westphalia as it led to the creation of the Holy League between Austria, Russia, and Prussia to protect the traditional old world ideals by crushing any sign of Revolution. Indeed to many at the time, it seemed as though lasting peace was forged with the "little Corsican" as those hostile to Emperor Napoleon refer to him, thrown along with his legacy into the ash heap of history. But as history shows us, the flight of the Eaglet would destroy this system. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Footnotes: [1] The Savoyard Kingdom of Sardinia and the Bourbon Kingdom of Sicily depicted on the map were not part of Napoleon's Empire, but states opposed to him. [2] France should be bigger on here because there was no Hundred Days Campaign, and there would be no Kingdom of Two Sicilies as The House of Murat would be ruling Naples while the Italian branch of the House of Bourbon rules just the Kingdom of Sicily-proper (aka Trinacria). Author's Note: I hope you guys enjoy this timeline! Please feel free to comment. Any form of feedback and/or constructive criticism are welcome.
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Post by stevep on Nov 27, 2020 15:15:47 GMT
By all means take your time. Real life comes 1st and best wishes with the exams. Plus not rushing it would mean your happier with the story and probably producing an overall better story. Thanks man! One factor if the empire collapses without fighting on French territory is that there's no looting by the French army with alienated a lot of the people. Since the army had got so used to 'living off the land' during the years of success and there was no real alternative most of the time. Also without any real fighting inside French borders you could have some equivalent of the post WWI attitude by German right wingers and militarists - that the army/Bonaparte dynasty wasn't defeated but was stabbed in the back. Yup. Plus Napoleon now is remembered much more fondly than in otl, as a martyr. The interesting bit here might be Murat. OTL he was left in charge of Naples but then lost it when he rejoined Napoleon during the 100 days. Checking he only switched sides after the defeat at Leipzig so that could possibly still occur or the allies might decide even if he makes an offer, to remove him with less fighting required to restore the Bourbons in France. If he was still left in charge of Naples without having clearly deserted Napoleon before the latter's earlier death here his realm might be a region where Bonapartist sentiment and loyalist gather. Although he couldn't be too open about something like that as it would be likely to prompt his removal. I think you're going to love the next chapter detailing the aftermath of L'Empereur's death. As you say there were plans OTL for veterans to kidnap Napoleon II and use him as a symbol for a revival of the dynasty/empire but that probably wouldn't be a good idea for him as its likely to prompt a new alliance at a time when fear and hostility toward the dynasty is at a height. Plus Metternich would no doubt keep him under heavy supervision. Even if Napoleon II was kidnapped, its unlikely the conspirators would make it out of Austria's border, or even out of Vienna. In terms of the 1812 war an earlier ending provides prospects for differences there. Probably still a similar result as OTL is more likely but a stronger British response could mean a shifting of some borders southwards in the Great Lakes region to get a protectorate for the Indian tribes or if the war lasts longer These were my thoughts as well. Though at one point, President Madison almost got captured by British troops. Its honestly quite interesting to see how things change if the US is so humiliated like that. Honestly if Andrew Jackson manages to win New Orleans like in otl, his popularity would probably be even greater than otl thanks to it contrasting with the humiliation of the War's end. How do you see the Civil War develop if it does occur at all? Especially the latter would have a big impact on both Anglo-American relations and even more so internal developments inside the US as the position of slavery would be dramatically increased, at least for the next few decades. possibly even a breakaway by the New England area which was bitterly hostile to the war. Especially the latter would have a big impact on both Anglo-American relations and even more so internal developments inside the US as the position of slavery would be dramatically increased, at least for the next few decades. I don't think its likely that the Hartford Convention would actually try to secede from the Union. That was seen as a last resort and it was viewed as an extreme action. Plus the Federalists were losing relevance as a political party during this period. Agree, thinking about it, that there probably won't be much change in the status of Prussia, Concern about a revanchist France is still going to prompt a desire for guarding both N Italy and western German and I can't see anyone [outside Vienna] wanting the Hapsburg's doing both so your very likely to see the consolidation of the Rhineland/Westphalia regions under Prussia which was the thing that really gave it a base other than a very efficient army that allowed it to punch above its weight. Yup. Though the lingering question of who leads Germany will likely start another war. Yes I was on AH for a while, until I had a dispute with a 'moderator' about what I felt was an unbalanced judgement and level but that was about a decade ago. Pretty much the same username as I use that everywhere. Didn't write any TLs myself but quite liked responding to ones I enjoyed.
Steve Yeah its kinda why I have a rule for myself on forums like AH, SB, SV, etc. where I stick only to the Alt. History/Creative Writing sections as the other political stuff and forum drama isn't for me.
True the view of many Frenchmen to Napoleon will be less tainted without the last year of the war and the behaviour of his own troops plus the increasingly desperate recruiting of youths. Will be reading the next chapter after posting this.
Nappy II will be under close watch definitely and with his mum now with a new man - if things go as OTL - there is the possibility that he become too much of an embarrassment for the Hamburgs but I doubt they would go as far as to try and arrange an accident - which definitely isn't happening anyway in TTL as it would rather destroy the entire point of the thread. However the French would only need to get lucky one. Plus if there was an attempt at kidnapping/freeing him even if unsuccessful its going to have all sorts of repreacutions.
In terms of a different ending to the 1812 conflict it would depend on the details. An earlier and stronger British reinforcement of their forces could have all sort of results. Most likely change is that much of the old NW between the Ohio and upper Mississippi becomes a British protectorate - since the US rejected outright the acceptance of any Indian state. This might not include the Ohio valley itself as by some reports it had already been largely settled by Americans on the northern side. [There was a very good TL on the AH site about this sort of situation, the author being Canadian himself and going on into further conflict I think in ~1840s' when I left AH but the British ended up with pretty much all of Louisiana which I think might be unrealistic. However possession of this region might mean that say when the western border was agreed it might be say 45 degrees north rather than the OTL 49th parallel. You might see a New England break-away if the war lasted longer, which would really screw the free/slave balance in the US but up to you. The very fact Federalism was fading outside the region was part of the reason for the convention as they were feeling increasingly isolated in the US that was developing. Plus with an earlier or better lead attack New Orleans could well succeed which would put a lot of the western elements under a lot of pressure to make peace. One other factor to consider if the war lasted into 1816 would be that the Tambora eruption of the previous year led to what was called the "year without a summer" which would have drastic impacts on the conflict as elsewhere.
If you assume say that Britain gains control of most of the old NW but no NE break away it might not make a massive impact, at least early on. The north will seek to obtain new free states to avoid the south getting too dominant in the senate although an alternative option might be that Georgia keeps its claims westwards to the Mississippi, i.e. instead of the states of Mississippi and Alabama there is one large state called Georgia, which at least eases the issue in the senate. However the lack of the old NW for free soil expansion is going to make things tense in the following decades with probably an earlier 'bleeding Kansas'. You might also see earlier expansion against Mexico, possibly with Texas being directly invaded by the US and annexed when the American settlers there revolt. Not sure if the US could get California in the 1830's but might well try for it later. Or another crack at Canada after a success against Mexico but unless Britain is very busy elsewhere that would almost certainly be bad for the US.
A USCW over slavery - assuming that NE stays in the union could still occur but is likely to be delayed because of the stronger position of slavery or with some butterflies its just possible that you might see a peaceful separation although probably unlikely. [If things go badly for the free states, especially if more territories west of the Mississippi go slave, you might even see the free states making a break for independence to avoid having slavery imposed on them but I would suspect that would be a low probability, even if NE left during the 1812 conflict. Basically with differing starting conditions and also big butterflies in Europe just about anything could happen.
Sooner or later there will be a settlement of who is the dominant state in Germany. Its likely to be decided by war although other players might take a role, as Italy did OTL and with a markedly more powerful and aggressive France - if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly - it could even be delayed for quite a while. Assuming a territorial settlement as OTL 1815 the only two internal players will be Austria and Prussia but its possible some 3rd group could come through.
Actually it was on the AH part of the AH board as I never really went into the politics. A poster got pretty deep under my skin and I used the L word. [As with parliament you can lie as much as you like but you can't call someone on it!] I was willing to accept being kicked for a week as a result but very angry that the other person got no punishment and also with the moderator's attitude so I left and haven't posted there since. Although have looked at a few links when people reference them. Too many damned good TLs that I miss.
Anyway on to the next chapter.
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Post by stevep on Nov 27, 2020 15:45:43 GMT
easternroman1453 , So pretty much as OTL in terms of the resulting borders. Does Sweden still get Norway from Denmark or does the shorter war mean that Denmark doesn't resist as long and keeps its norther kingdom. France has lost virtually all its conquests since the revolution but as you say still has considerable power. Just realised that there is one other significant gain as they didn't keep the Saarland OTL but it got returned to Germany, being split between Prussia and Bavaria. That could be a substantial increase in French power once it starts to industialise and is likely to be a bone of contention with the Germans.
One other butterfly to consider is whether Princess Charlotte survives her OTL death in childbirth, or simply produces a male heir as that would have considerable butterflies.
I'm a bit worried by this bit:
As it sounds like there's going to be another massive autocratic state like under Napoleon I dominating Europe. Which is likely to generate a lot more wars and does rather make the earlier discussion of German unification mute as there wouldn't be a German state. If Nappy II proves as aggressive as his father you probably won't see Italy established either. It seems like he's going to be different however in holding more to the ideas of the revolution rather than the more aristocratic and conservative viewpoint of his father's empire so that would make for some interesting circumstances. Although where he gets such ideas could be an important point as neither Hapsburgs nor Bonapartists are likely to encourage such ideas.
The Bourbon hold was rather fragile, as the 100 days showed and could be even weaker here but a lot depends on what happens inside France and elsewhere.
In the map on the German Confederation is the border the solid red line or the broken one? I would suspect the latter as otherwise the core Prussian provinces, which were overwhelmingly German at the time would be excluded.
One other point is does the Code Napoleon survive here? Especially the rules on land inheritance as that's one of the suspects for the cause of the relative French demographic decline after 1815.
Steve
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Post by easternroman1453 on Nov 27, 2020 23:40:03 GMT
True the view of many Frenchmen to Napoleon will be less tainted without the last year of the war and the behaviour of his own troops plus the increasingly desperate recruiting of youths. Will be reading the next chapter after posting this. I'm glad you're enjoying it. Nappy II will be under close watch definitely and with his mum now with a new man - if things go as OTL - there is the possibility that he become too much of an embarrassment for the Hamburgs but I doubt they would go as far as to try and arrange an accident - which definitely isn't happening anyway in TTL as it would rather destroy the entire point of the thread. However the French would only need to get lucky one. Plus if there was an attempt at kidnapping/freeing him even if unsuccessful its going to have all sorts of repreacutions. I can say for certain that Napoleon II wouldn't be kidnapped by anyone. I have Napoleon the younger planning on seizing the reins of power through much different means and circumstances. In terms of a different ending to the 1812 conflict it would depend on the details. An earlier and stronger British reinforcement of their forces could have all sort of results. Most likely change is that much of the old NW between the Ohio and upper Mississippi becomes a British protectorate - since the US rejected outright the acceptance of any Indian state. This might not include the Ohio valley itself as by some reports it had already been largely settled by Americans on the northern side. This is a great idea and has given me a lot to think about. Thanks! If something like this were to go down in North America, it would likely setup some sort of future war between the UK and USA in the next 20-30 years. Such a development could distract Britain from affairs on the continent. [There was a very good TL on the AH site about this sort of situation, the author being Canadian himself and going on into further conflict I think in ~1840s' when I left AH but the British ended up with pretty much all of Louisiana which I think might be unrealistic. However possession of this region might mean that say when the western border was agreed it might be say 45 degrees north rather than the OTL 49th parallel. Do you remember what it was called, or who the author was? if the war lasted longer, which would really screw the free/slave balance in the US but up to you. The very fact Federalism was fading outside the region was part of the reason for the convention as they were feeling increasingly isolated in the US that was developing. Plus with an earlier or better lead attack New Orleans could well succeed which would put a lot of the western elements under a lot of pressure to make peace. One other factor to consider if the war lasted into 1816 would be that the Tambora eruption of the previous year led to what was called the "year without a summer" which would have drastic impacts on the conflict as elsewhere. I don't think the war would realistically last into 1816 as the British were looking for a quick victory to disengage from the conflict with a humbled America much like how Bismarck wanted with France, though the capture of Napoleon III at Sedan dashed this and got Germany a very hostile and revanchist France determined to destroy it. If Napoleon III didn't get captured, its likely that he could have survived the defeat, with a moderate and equitable peace agreement that keeps France somewhat friendly. France under the Second Empire would have likely continued as a Constitutional monarchy under Napoleon IV. Though there likely would have been a power struggle due to Napoleon III's failing health and Napoleon IV being too young to officially take power. You might also see earlier expansion against Mexico, possibly with Texas being directly invaded by the US and annexed when the American settlers there revolt. Not sure if the US could get California in the 1830's but might well try for it later. Or another crack at Canada after a success against Mexico but unless Britain is very busy elsewhere that would almost certainly be bad for the US. I have plans for Iberia and the Americas that make its history in the 19th Century almost unrecognizable to us. Let's just say nobody expects the Spanish Empire. Austria and Prussia but its possible some 3rd group could come through. Prussia: I should rule Germany! Austria: No we're the leader of the German Confederation and ruled the HRE for 400 years! Napoleon II: *clears throat* Ahem Prussia and Austria: Oh shit! so I left and haven't posted there since. Although have looked at a few links when people reference them. Too many damned good TLs that I miss. Aw dang that sucks. The reason why I cross-posted over here was to expand some of my readership, and gain new insight/ideas. Do you know how to use PM's on this site? I'm finding the ui of this site quite hard to wrap my head around at times. So pretty much as OTL in terms of the resulting borders. Does Sweden still get Norway from Denmark or does the shorter war mean that Denmark doesn't resist as long and keeps its norther kingdom. France has lost virtually all its conquests since the revolution but as you say still has considerable power. Just realised that there is one other significant gain as they didn't keep the Saarland OTL but it got returned to Germany, being split between Prussia and Bavaria. That could be a substantial increase in French power once it starts to industialise and is likely to be a bone of contention with the Germans. I think here in this timeline things stay the same with Sweden gaining Norway. Though I do plan on there being major divergences in terms of Scandinavian history during the 19th Century as well. Yeah I plan on France being more industrialized here than in otl with Napoleon II being a major patron of industry. One other butterfly to consider is whether Princess Charlotte survives her OTL death in childbirth, or simply produces a male heir as that would have considerable butterflies. I'm honestly not quite sure. I haven't quite that far in terms of the UK politics. Though I've been exploring with some ideas about an alternate Queen Victoria. I'm open to ideas. I'm a bit worried by this bit: The perspective/narrative in the timeline is biased as its told from the point of view from French history books after the fact. Though despite that, I intend for it to be quite fair to the Bourbons and others for example like the UK. As it sounds like there's going to be another massive autocratic state like under Napoleon I dominating Europe. Which is likely to generate a lot more wars and does rather make the earlier discussion of German unification mute as there wouldn't be a German state. Imperator Francorum intensifies as the Grand Armee marches to Berlin If Nappy II proves as aggressive as his father you probably won't see Italy established either. Well Napoleon II is after all the "Roi de Rome" after all. He was crowned by his father not long after his birth anyway. It seems like he's going to be different however in holding more to the ideas of the revolution rather than the more aristocratic and conservative viewpoint of his father's empire so that would make for some interesting circumstances. Although where he gets such ideas could be an important point as neither Hapsburgs nor Bonapartists are likely to encourage such ideas. He essentially has a foot in both shoes essentially. Napoleon II as the son of of one of the last great conquerors: Napoleon I and grandson of Kaiser Franz II: the last Holy Roman Emperor has an impressive pedigree. He's also be shaped by both world-views. In some ways he'd essentially be a fusion of his grandfather's old world notions of monarchy, and that of his father's style of Revolutionary Bonapartism. Honestly I'm looking forward to writing some of the more political and ideological sections of this timeline. In the map on the German Confederation is the border the solid red line or the broken one? I would suspect the latter as otherwise the core Prussian provinces, which were overwhelmingly German at the time would be excluded. Its the solid red line. The German Confederation is essentially a less-glamorous version of the HRE for all intents and purposes. And Prussia was a state with borders both inside and outside the HRE. One other point is does the Code Napoleon survive here? Especially the rules on land inheritance as that's one of the suspects for the cause of the relative French demographic decline after 1815. Yeah it does. Even the most reactionary of Kings kept it, seeing how useful it was. As for the French demographic decline, Napoleon's code had a negligible effect if any upon the French birthrate. This was a problem with roots befor the Revolution itself going back to famines that too place in the late 18th Century during King Louis XVI's reign. The government mismanagement of resources and its incompetence in the face of the crisis only made things worse.
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Post by stevep on Nov 28, 2020 13:27:34 GMT
easternroman1453 , Replying to assorted points.
In terms of a different 1812: a) The author I mentioned was Dathi THorfinnsson and I'm pretty certain the TL was YACW [Yet Another Canadian Wank]. There is a kind of stub in the Finished TL section which I got the details from, see YSCW stub but somewhere hopefully there is the main one I read, possibly buried in the pre-1900 area. Which has a longer 1812 with Britain/Canada controlling most of the old NW although not the Ohio valley itself and also IIRC all of Louisana including New Orleans and after a further period of tension there's another war with the US in the 1840's. IIRC there is also a member of the Bavarian dynasty as Duke of Texas which is kind of independent but allied with Britain/Canada against a joint US/Mexican attack. Also Princess Charlotte survives here and has several children one of which is due to marry a Portuguese princess and when she is unhappy at converting to Anglicanism decides he would convert to Catholicism - with resulting hi-jinks of course. I commented a fair bit in the TL as it was of obvious interest to me.
b) If Britain takes lands such as the NW and then the extended border westwards is further south there is likely to be tension with the US. However if we have the sort of French expansion under Napoleon II as your suggesting that distraction would be relatively minor as the threat from this France, so close to Britain itself, is going to be the top priority. If France gets anywhere near the sort of domination of Europe that it had in 1810 it and Britain will have to be bitter enemies, along with Russia and most of Germany among probably many others. Its the nature of international politics and also the national cat is out of the bag. Germany, especially with the military reforms necessary to defeat Nappy I and the growth nationalism will be a hell of a lot harder to conquer and control than OTL and Spain and quite possibly Italy after it unifies will be unhappy with continued French domination.
c) I was referring to the possibility of a longer 1812 if defeats and substantial territorial losses make the US unwilling to admit their lost the war until their really hammered. In part because of a TL of my own where the conflict finally peters out in 1817/18 after a final massive effort by the US in 1816. This had a different POD in 1809 and sees both a NE secession and Napoleon I not only surviving but having a better 100 days which is substantially more successful, at 1st anyway which persuades the US to make another big effort. Some of those won't apply here but if say because of butterflies Britain takes New Orleans which means control of the Mississippi basin you might see something like that.
For the core TL of a revived and very successful new French empire. a) I think its too late to rescue the Spanish empire in the Americas. It would need something like the OTL planned Bourbon lead intervention and Britain standing aside and allowing it. Also since its in Britain's long term interests for it to fail and the entire position would be unstable with a lot of the region tasting freedom its going to be very much a house of cards. Unless your intending that this occurs and is a continued drain on Bourbon France making its socially, economically and politically unstable and leading to Napoleon II gaining power in France. However given his age that's unlikely to be before ~1835 at the earliest I suspect. [Could see some equivalent of OTL period of unrest in ~1848 occurring here.]
b) As I say Nappy II might be able to use social unrest in Germany and tension between Prussia and Austria initially but none of the German nationalists will welcome French domination, especially if it means further German lands coming under French rule. A more powerful France could hold say the Rhine border for a while but its going to be a continued running sore and annexing lands further east would exasperate matters further.
c) Napoleon would need to have a more technology orientated focus although that would upset groups such as the farmers who are still very powerful in France. Taking over OTL Belgium which has substantial industrial resources would help but would also be a red flag to a lot of other nations, most especially Britain. Also France is still going to have to fight on both land and sea and that's going to be even more difficult in the early industrial age. Especially if such a circumstance means Britain doesn't make the OTL mistake of adopting the twin disasters of Laissez-faire and free trade, which is a lot less likely with France on the rampage. Napoleon III made some useful gains for France before he blundered into the disaster against Prussia and with a bit better diplomacy might have gotten further but any power looking for military dominance - and in this period doubly so if he's named Napoleon with the dark memories that means for so many people. France, especially if it gets early successes can overtake Britain in sheer industrial power but it will be a long rear chase and assuming the sort of reactionary Bourbon dynasty of OTL not a lot is likely to happen until after Napoleon comes to power again so industrially Britain will be the big kid on the block until probably at least ~1870.
d) One thing you might find useful with a surviving Charlotte and her becoming queen after George IV died was that she was a liberal in favour of reform which might make Britain under her less distrustful of a Napoleonic France, at least until it starts overrunning neighbours.
e) He was given the title king of Rome and could well initially be quite popular in the peninsula, with the removal of Austrian power in the north and assorted despotic and deeply repressive rulers - although Murat's dynasty in Naples could be a rival here if its set down roots. However if he becomes an overwhelmingly French king and starts governing Italy in the interests of France that's going to cause problems in the longer run.
f) It will be interesting to see how Napoleon II develops although if he gets as autocratic as his father that is likely to stifle initiative, especially in areas like industry and commerce, over time. As such I think his best bet is to rule possibly more by diplomacy and indirect use of force than rather than simply crushing any opposition with the army and secret police as his father did.
g) The thing I was thinking of with the Code Napoleon as I understand it was that land inheritance meant that lands were shared out between the sons rather than going to the oldest son. This mean steadily dwindling farms which were unable to be as efficient as larger ones while also giving so many people in the countryside a push to stay on those small plots rather than looking for work elsewhere in commerce or the growing industrial for instance. It may not be a or the major cause of the demographic decline but the latter is going to be a problem for France seeking to stay top dog in Europe in the longer term, especially if Napoleon II's reign is as conflict strewn as his father's.
Other points:
a) As I understand it I don't think the capture of Napoleon III made a great difference to the peace settlement, although it did aid the growth of the national resistance to the Prussian/German invasion. Bismarck wanted a more moderate peace but even if France had kept Alsace-Lorraine - which would have boosted its industrial strength and defensive position markedly compared to OTL post-1871 France - the defeat and the surpassing of France by Germany as the primary military power in Europe would still rankle. Probably not as much as OTL but their never really likely to be close friends while there's not a greater threat to concentrate their minds.
b) I've never had much problems with PMs other than remembering to look at the top page line to see whether I've actually got any. Have missed messages for days occasionally because I haven't noticed. The process I use is:
i) click on the name of the planned receiver of the mail to go to their home page ii) Use the send message option which is the 2nd option on the top right of that page. iii) Then fill it in and send.
This doesn't give an option to send to multiple people but I don't use the function much so possibly someone else can help with that?
Steve
PS or just click on the messages option on the top line. This allows you to enter a title and also designate who it goes to. If you start entering part of their id, i.e. "east" then it quickly rules out other options. Have to enter them 1 by 1 but shouldn't be a great problem unless your wanting to write to numerous people - which could run into anti-spamming rules as I remember I had well leaving the AH site. then enter the message and send.
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Post by CastilloVerde on Dec 12, 2020 20:07:31 GMT
I hope you guys enjoy reading this timeline as much as I enjoyed writing it. Please feel free to leave comments/questions below. Amazing TL easternroman1453 ,! I'm following it also on AH.com, but it's great to see this posted on this forum also. Keep up the great work, of course.
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