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Post by iontu on Oct 25, 2020 8:32:02 GMT
Let's say Skanderbeg doesn't betray the Ottomans. What would happen? Can the Ottomans expand more?
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Post by lordroel on Oct 25, 2020 8:46:43 GMT
Let's say Skanderbeg doesn't betray the Ottomans. What would happen? Can the Ottomans expand more? Looking at the Wikipedia article of the Skanderbeg's rebellion the Ottomans captured all territories held by rebels by 1478, except Kruje which was taken by the Republic of Venice with Albanian support, so i doubt that we see much changes from OTL and no expansion of the Ottoman Empire if there is no Skanderbeg's rebellio. |
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Post by iontu on Oct 25, 2020 8:50:08 GMT
Let's say Skanderbeg doesn't betray the Ottomans. What would happen? Can the Ottomans expand more? Looking at the Wikipedia article of the Skanderbeg's rebellion the Ottomans captured all territories held by rebels by 1478, except Kruje which was taken by the Republic of Venice with Albanian support, so i doubt that we see much changes from OTL and no expansion of the Ottoman Empire if there is no Skanderbeg's rebellio. Yeah, but with pacified Albania, the Ottomans cand send their troops and resources elsewhere |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 25, 2020 8:55:44 GMT
Looking at the Wikipedia article of the Skanderbeg's rebellion the Ottomans captured all territories held by rebels by 1478, except Kruje which was taken by the Republic of Venice with Albanian support, so i doubt that we see much changes from OTL and no expansion of the Ottoman Empire if there is no Skanderbeg's rebellio. Yeah, but with pacified Albania, the Ottomans cand send their troops and resources elsewhere You mean growing as far as what they had under the reign of Suleiman I.  |
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Post by iontu on Oct 25, 2020 9:18:58 GMT
Yeah, but with pacified Albania, the Ottomans cand send their troops and resources elsewhere You mean growing as far as what they had under the reign of Suleiman I. Not quite. Mehmed II, after taking Constantinopole wanted to invade Italy. Also, Anatolian Beyliks and then the Mamluks could be targets |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 25, 2020 10:10:27 GMT
You mean growing as far as what they had under the reign of Suleiman I. Not quite. Mehmed II, after taking Constantinopole wanted to invade Italy. Also, Anatolian Beyliks and then the Mamluks could be targets So we could see a siege of Rome instead of a OTL Siege of Vienna, in 1529. |
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Post by stevep on Oct 25, 2020 10:41:10 GMT
You mean growing as far as what they had under the reign of Suleiman I. Not quite. Mehmed II, after taking Constantinopole wanted to invade Italy. Also, Anatolian Beyliks and then the Mamluks could be targets
That could be quite tough for him with the state of artillery at the time. A fair amount of rough terrain and a lot of fortifications which could make it a real slogging match. Plus with Italy threatened, especially Rome you could see a crusade called. Which would moblise some additional resources. Likely to be very costly for both sides.
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Post by stevep on Oct 25, 2020 11:01:00 GMT
Let's say Skanderbeg doesn't betray the Ottomans. What would happen? Can the Ottomans expand more? Looking at the Wikipedia article of the Skanderbeg's rebellion the Ottomans captured all territories held by rebels by 1478, except Kruje which was taken by the Republic of Venice with Albanian support, so i doubt that we see much changes from OTL and no expansion of the Ottoman Empire if there is no Skanderbeg's rebellio.
Interesting. A bit unclear as to what was actually happening, i.e. how much occurred or was propaganda, how much of the local population supported the rebellion compared to staying neutral or supporting the Ottomans and how much they fought among themselves. Plus while the Kingdom of Naples did provide some security backings it doesn't mention what forces [if any] they committed. The rebellion lasted a long time but how much of the Ottoman resources did it consume most of the time? The Sultan's desire to invade Italy, which saw brief landings in 1480. Checking wiki for 28-7-1480 it says
They did take Otranto, see Ottoman_invasion_of_Otranto for more details but surrendered it in September the following year. The death of the sultan in May 1481 and following succession crisis seems to have prevented Ottoman forces returning. Although the wiki entry on his death is unclear as he may have been aiming at Egypt - which does however seem unlikely given the isolated garrison at Otranto and his probable desire to avenge his failure at Rhodes.
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