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Post by stevep on Jan 6, 2022 11:25:21 GMT
A New Jerusalem Part 19... Only one other area lay outside of the bounds of these groupings in Africa, that of the Greater Sudan. Any self government for either Sudan or Equatoria was rendered difficult by the nebulous nature of the Anglo-Egyptian relationship in the aftermath of the 1956 War. It would happen in due course, but there was much to be done and many hundreds if not thousands of hours of quiet diplomacy with Cairo to be done to make it occur peacefully and seamlessly. The circumstance of the former Sultanate of Darfur in the west of the Sudan made for a further complication for which there were no easy solutions. The fate of the Sudan was ultimately tied to the waters of the Nile and the great railway that ran alongside it and the report before Barton kept this at the fore. His own view was that there was much to be said of drawing Egypt’s gaze and strategic interest south into Africa rather than east into the Levant. ... It was a difficult conundrum, as in purely strategic terms, it made more sense to align with the states of the Arab Union. They were larger, more populous and had far, far more oil, after all. That such an approach had not been taken was mystifying to some on the face of it, but a more fulsome examination of all the factors at play - including the quite curious cautionary tales derived from Lapcat - indicated that the advantages of a full blown Arabist shift in British foreign policy would be ultimately fleeting. His goal in the Middle East was not to take sides, but to maintain a detached and fair hegemony as much as possible. After examination of the various options by CREED thanks to some creative programming, that had been supported as the least worst option, with the lowest chance of abject disaster. If certain developments came to pass, then the oil riches of the Levant would be comparatively less useful in coming decades; if others continued, then they would verily take a desert and make it a garden of peace. ... In the second case, there were islands too strategic to lose and these were to be dealt with in a similar fashion to Malta - full integration into Britain. The likes of Bermuda, Addu, the Galapagos, Hy Brasil, Socotra, Ascension and the Azure Islands were key bases even in this age of intercontinental rockets, atomic submarines and orbital battle stations. Their airfields made them the equal of aircraft carriers in their own right, but of the unsinkable variety. Related to that value were the few major entrepôts still under the Union Flag, namely Zanzibar, Singapore and Hong Kong. These were all major city states of a distinctly international character and growing contributors to the wealth and economic power of the British Empire, yet were too large for any formal incorporation into the United Kingdom. For them, their status would necessarily continue, with appropriate internal self government of course. Hong Kong was the most complex of them all, lying next door to Imperial China and despite the heaviest layered defence in the world, that made it fundamentally difficult to defend in a conventional manner; the Dragon was just too big. Tying in the Americans to its defence had been one of the proud achievements of the last government, and rightly so, but Barton could see no surety of the colony’s defence beyond the Bomb. ...
a) Given OTL history it would definitely be better for the southern region to be separated from the Arab north.
b) That suggests that some step to reduce the importance of oil. Possibly the work on fusion. On the last bit I hope its referring to the efforts to restore the ancient fertility of Mesopotamia rather than any Roman reference.
c) I wouldn't have thought any of those three were too large to be fully included into Britain's parliament, although trying to do it for Hong Kong would probably be taken as a casus belli by China.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 6, 2022 12:01:36 GMT
Steve,
a.) It is already separate, as the name entails.
b.) On the first count, he is looking forward to the potential of fusion, as well as the expansion of British oil production in the North Sea. There, they have expanded a bit further into areas that historically went to the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway, but it is a comparatively small increase. The last reference was to the greening of Mesopotamia, Syria, Jordan and Egypt, rather than anything Roman. There are some expansive plans for artificial inland seas that are as yet pipedreams.
c.) They are too large in terms of population and particularly the type of population. Whilst a fair bit more advanced than @ on the race relations question, Britain is still very white and the prospect of substantive change in that respect is a bit too radical for any of the major parties to contemplate; the idea of British workingmen being undercut by millions of 'Chinamen' is not a pleasant one, but it is bandied about in opposition to any full integration. Dark Earth doesn't shy away from the less pleasant aspects of people and beliefs. As such, and on account of their distance, a different option has been pinpointed.
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Post by stevep on Jan 6, 2022 12:12:27 GMT
Steve, a.) It is already separate, as the name entails. b.) On the first count, he is looking forward to the potential of fusion, as well as the expansion of British oil production in the North Sea. There, they have expanded a bit further into areas that historically went to the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway, but it is a comparatively small increase. The last reference was to the greening of Mesopotamia, Syria, Jordan and Egypt, rather than anything Roman. There are some expansive plans for artificial inland seas that are as yet pipedreams. c.) They are too large in terms of population and particularly the type of population. Whilst a fair bit more advanced than @ on the race relations question, Britain is still very white and the prospect of substantive change in that respect is a bit too radical for any of the major parties to contemplate; the idea of British workingmen being undercut by millions of 'Chinamen' is not a pleasant one, but it is bandied about in opposition to any full integration. Dark Earth doesn't shy away from the less pleasant aspects of people and beliefs. As such, and on account of their distance, a different option has been pinpointed. Simon
That sounds interesting. I can see some options along the N African coastline, although one set is in Tunisia - the other being the Qattara Depression which would be more under British influence.
The other question about major changes to the environment, especially over such large areas is the potential side effects if you end up affecting climates elsewhere. Would be very counter productive if they accidentally triggered an ice age or say drastically affected the monsoon for instance.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 6, 2022 12:24:29 GMT
I see that we are thinking exactly alike - accidentally triggering a change to climate through fiddling around with the best of intentions is an interesting development to explore, even though the timescale in our world would be rather longer than recent recorded history.
There is already a Qattara Lake and there are considerations being given to projects in Tunisia, but the more expansive plans are looking at the Nafud Desert with the eyes of that most dangerous of types - the amateur with resources and a little knowledge.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 6, 2022 15:02:43 GMT
Only the conclusion to come. I’m going to do the CID meeting up as a separate standalone piece dealing with the how all the British + Commonwealth pieces come together in the ‘grand plan’.
For the conclusion, I’m going to be taking more of an overall view rather than focusing on a specific topic, but will certainly try to incorporate any questions or points that come up in the interim or that people are interested in having explored.
Before that point, I’ll slap together some notes for Parts 18 and 19. Something of the flow of ANJ got disrupted slightly by the Charlottesville story and also the ‘backfill’, but hopefully it still comes together nicely.
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Post by stevep on Jan 6, 2022 16:54:07 GMT
I see that we are thinking exactly alike - accidentally triggering a change to climate through fiddling around with the best of intentions is an interesting development to explore, even though the timescale in our world would be rather longer than recent recorded history. There is already a Qattara Lake and there are considerations being given to projects in Tunisia, but the more expansive plans are looking at the Nafud Desert with the eyes of that most dangerous of types - the amateur with resources and a little knowledge.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 6, 2022 16:55:56 GMT
Notes on Part 18:
- The real basis of the paper is how to accelerate rearmament in the most efficient and effective manner. It tries to hit both boxes and partially succeeds, particularly when we take what we know of 1965-1968. - The Chieftain doesn’t need an upgrade in the short term, beyond nominally increasing speed from 36mph to 40mph through improved engines. - Most significant in that section was the use of Sovietised tanks in the British Army Training Units, of which there are four rather than just one at Suffield in Canada. - I squeezed in mention of reserve stocks and prepositioning, which make sense, to partly conceal the Mobilisation Cadre Regiments. This reflects the British Army having that built in capacity to expand upon mobilisation using trained reserves, a small cadre of regulars and stocks of equipment to field new units. The plan is for 25 such regiments to be formable, depending on funding or changing policy. - The overcapacity issue is addressed, as, from 1964, there won’t be a new MBT to build until 1967 in the form of the Vickers Valiant and the replacement Crusader won’t be ready until the 1970s. Building for spares, reserves and attrition stocks only goes so far, on top of exports, so there needs to be something to fill the slack. The answer is specialist vehicles, which isn’t the worst idea. - Super Conqueror, at 96t, is not a tank that fits the philosophy of @, but in DE has a role as a heavy breakthrough tank or a long range defensive fire support vehicle. The plan for 1240 of them is based roughly on 8/regiment plus spares; beyond that, there is the option for dedicated regiments and replacement of the older heavies in the TA. The older Conquerors are to be transferred to India as they are replaced. - The Champion assault gun is designed mainly for urban combat and is a developmental cul de sac of sorts, but one reflecting the sense of panic over perceived Soviet ‘supertanks’. - The Coronet tank destroyer has the purpose of long range overwatch, hitting Soviet/enemy tanks from beyond 5500 yards with a shell still powerful enough to immobilise them at that range. - The 6”/152mm SP-70 Archbishop is a brute of an SPG and is being used as the primary test gun for the range of AT artillery weapons. The mines are fully operational, the DP ICM/ACM continue development with some basic versions in service (nowhere close to the SADARM end point yet) and the HEAT projectile is progressing towards something like Copperhead. - The later fate of the 175mm and 25pdrs has been touched upon elsewhere. - Prodigal is a game changer for the airborne divisions. - Barton wants to get something like a British M114 to support the FV432/M113 equivalent, but this runs into the funding problem caused by Vietnam. - Centaur = A British BTR-70 equivalent mixed with the role of the Ratel.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 6, 2022 16:58:25 GMT
I see that we are thinking exactly alike - accidentally triggering a change to climate through fiddling around with the best of intentions is an interesting development to explore, even though the timescale in our world would be rather longer than recent recorded history. There is already a Qattara Lake and there are considerations being given to projects in Tunisia, but the more expansive plans are looking at the Nafud Desert with the eyes of that most dangerous of types - the amateur with resources and a little knowledge. It isn’t a major threat, but rather the operating version of the cautionary tale about over enthusiastic amateurs, be they politicians or executives. “Wouldn’t it be great if we could do X/Y/Z?”
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 6, 2022 18:34:11 GMT
Notes on Part 19:
- Cleopatra’s Emerald and the Lionheart’s Amethyst are famed jewels in addition to the Crown Jewels of @. - The water analogy, as well as referring to Bruce Lee’s well known quote, represents a policy that seeks to bend and move in order to conquer. - There are two stages to the evolutionary path from colony to Dominion, totalling up to 20 years in some cases. - Barton’s Empire Socialism is somewhat similar to that of Orwell in The Lion and the Unicorn is some ways, whilst different in others. - Most of the ‘carrots’ are self explanatory, with the Churchill Plan being a mixture of the Colombo and Marshall Plans. - Britain prefers the federal solution as individual countries are far more easily seduced by Moscow or Washington from their perspective. - A loose EAF is likely to be all that can be achieved, as the Kenyan question is intractable. - West Africa is too separate and different to be anything more than a regional pact rather than a federation. - Barton is leaning towards an Egyptian Sudan with separate Darfur and Equatoria. An interesting approach. - The call back to CREED shows how they are already trying to use him for different purposes. - Cyprus simmers, but not in a manner that can’t be handled. - Some details of the Falklands defences will follow; it is seen as an out of the way place to test some new systems… - The final image indicated that this is a Britain not cruising towards decolonisation and managed decline, but one that is looking for new expansion elsewhere.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 9, 2022 13:10:18 GMT
Falklands Defences:
As of 1968, there have been a number of changes due to the demands of Vietnam and elsewhere:
Land Forces 2 x Reinforced British Army Infantry Companies 1 x Reinforced Royal Marine Company 1 x Reinforced RAF Regiment Field Squadron
Falklands Islands Regiment (1 x Regular Battalion + 2 Territorial Battalions)
Field Artillery Battery (8 x 125mm Light Guns) Royal Engineer Squadron Armoured Troop (8 Vickers Valiant MBT) Air Defense Battery (8 PT.428)
695 Coast Regiment: 4 x 9.2" Automatic Coastal Defence Guns, 6 x twin 5.25” Automatic DP Anti-Aircraft/Coastal Defence Turrets
Air Forces No. 1417 Flight RAF: 6 Avro Arrows RNAS Flight: 6 Hawker-Siddeley Phantom FGR.1 RFC Helicopter Flight: 6 Bristol Bulldogs RNAS Rotodyne Flight: 6 Fairey Rotodynes
Naval Forces HMS Endurance (Note 1) Guardship - Typically a River class frigate Falklands Patrol Sloop (Note 2) 2 Gunboats Naval Party 8902 (4 hovercraft)
1 = Endurance is a new cruiser-sized nuclear powered Antarctic Patrol Ship with icebreaking capabilities (25,000t, 4 x 12", numerous AA and light guns, Sea Wolf SAMs, 4 Helicopters/Rotodynes, maximum speed of 28 knots) 2 = This is one of the new Medium Patrol Ships/OPVs (10,000t, 4 x 6", numerous light AA/GP guns, 2 x Sea King helicopters, range 20,000nm, CODAG engine, maximum speed of 28 knots) mentioned in ANJ Part 15.
The general RN OPV/Patrol Sloops are the Black Swan class (2400t, 250ft x 40ft x 16ft, 1 x 4.5"/55, 1 helicopter, 25kts). The MPS's are for the South Atlantic, South America, West Africa, East Africa, the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea, along with two of the Large Patrol Ships for the Pacific and Indian Oceans; thought is being given to acquiring more Medium Patrol Ships for the West Indies and East Indies, but is running into funding issues.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 9, 2022 13:14:44 GMT
Falklands Defences: As of 1968, there have been a number of changes due to the demands of Vietnam and elsewhere: Land Forces2 x Reinforced British Army Infantry Companies 1 x Reinforced Royal Marine Company 1 x Reinforced RAF Regiment Field Squadron Falklands Islands Regiment (1 x Regular Battalion + 2 Territorial Battalions) Field Artillery Battery (8 x 125mm Light Guns) Royal Engineer Squadron Armoured Troop (8 Vickers Valiant MBT) Air Defense Battery (8 PT.428) 695 Coast Regiment: 4 x 9.2" Automatic Coastal Defence Guns, 6 x twin 5.25” Automatic DP Anti-Aircraft/Coastal Defence Turrets Air ForcesNo. 1417 Flight RAF: 6 Avro Arrows RNAS Flight: 6 Hawker-Siddeley Phantom FGR.1 RFC Helicopter Flight: 6 Bristol Bulldogs RNAS Rotodyne Flight: 6 Fairey Rotodynes Naval ForcesHMS Endurance (Note 1) Guardship - Typically a River class frigate Falklands Patrol Sloop (Note 2) 2 Gunboats Naval Party 8902 (4 hovercraft) 1 = Endurance is a new cruiser-sized nuclear powered Antarctic Patrol Ship with icebreaking capabilities (25,000t, 4 x 12", numerous AA and light guns, Sea Wolf SAMs, 4 Helicopters/Rotodynes, maximum speed of 28 knots) 2 = This is one of the new Medium Patrol Ships/OPVs (10,000t, 4 x 6", numerous light AA/GP guns, 2 x Sea King helicopters, range 20,000nm, CODAG engine, maximum speed of 28 knots) mentioned in ANJ Part 15. The general RN OPV/Patrol Sloops are the Black Swan class (2400t, 250ft x 40ft x 16ft, 1 x 4.5"/55, 1 helicopter, 25kts). The MPS's are for the South Atlantic, South America, West Africa, East Africa, the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea, along with two of the Large Patrol Ships for the Pacific and Indian Oceans; thought is being given to acquiring more Medium Patrol Ships for the West Indies and East Indies, but is running into funding issues. That is a strong defense of the islands, is somebody next door peaceful.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 9, 2022 13:31:38 GMT
It is driven by concern over the Soviets sniffing around, Argentina and Brazil both modernising their forces, the idea of a Falklands War occurring in the future of this strange parallel world and a general intent of using the area to test new guided missiles. There is a secret base down in Antarctica, but more on that will come in time.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 9, 2022 13:38:53 GMT
It is driven by concern over the Soviets sniffing around, Argentina and Brazil both modernising their forces, the idea of a Falklands War occurring in the future of this strange parallel world and a general intent of using the area to test new guided missiles. There is a secret base down in Antarctica, but more on that will come in time. I do not hope the German Nazis are still there.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 9, 2022 13:43:57 GMT
They are absolutely not. The base is a British one.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 9, 2022 13:47:09 GMT
They are absolutely not. The base is a British one. A secret British one.
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