jjohnson
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Post by jjohnson on Sept 15, 2020 3:37:46 GMT
I'm trying to write up some information on apportionment for the timeline 'Dixie Forever,' but I do have a question. If the South left the Union, the North is left with 185 seats in the House, which was formerly 233 (241 with new states). So in 1865, there are now 185 Representatives. Does the Union now decide: (a) reapportion the 241 seats among the now only-north states; the state get more representation each (b) continue apportioning seats as before the South left; each state gets what it had if the south had stayed in the Union. Which mode of thought would make the most sense? At which number would the House be capped, if at all? In our timeline, the Republicans in faced big losses so there was no reapportionment in 1920, so that might not happen, but the capping of representatives might still happen, though at a different number. What I'm trying to do is edit the timeline to insert House/Senate election information and maps for the Union as well as the Confederacy. My second question is the number of representatives. If you look at the Census website, it says that the House in 1870 was set to 292. What chose that number? That's where I'm not connecting is how and why they chose the specific numbers of 241, 283, 292, etc. It's a detailed question, yes, but I'm going for more detail in the timeline to make it a little more believable. Thanks for your help in advance.
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Post by jjohnson on Sept 15, 2020 4:30:12 GMT
Doing just some very simple math, the 1910/1920 number, assuming apportioning as before, 307 representatives, much less than 435.
My 1870 numbers: state, population, Reps Colorado, 39864, 0 Connecticut, 537454, 4 DC, 131700, 0 Delaware, 125015 1 Fiji, 0, 0 Idaho, 14999, 0 Illinois, 2539891, 19 Indiana, 1680637, 13 Iowa, 1194020, 9 Kansas, 364399, 3 Maine, 626915, 5 Maryland, 780894, 6 Massachusetts, 1457351, 11 Michigan, 1184059, 9 Minnesota, 439706, 3 Missouri, 1721295, 13 Montana, 20595, 0 Nebraska, 122993, 1 Nevada, 42941, 1 New Hampshire, 318300, 3 New Jersey, 906096, 7 New York, 4382759, 33 North California, 516089, 4 North Dakota, 2405, 0 Ohio, 2665260, 20 Oregon, 90923 1 Pennsylvania, 3521951, 27 Rhode Island, 217353, 2 South Dakota, 11776, 0 Utah, 86336, 0 Vermont, 330551, 3 Washington, 23955, 0 West Virginia, 442014, 3 Wisconsin, 1054670, 8 Wyoming, 9118, 0
That's 209 representatives for 1870, then growing to 228, 255, 276, 307 for 1910, and then declining unless it's set to 307 as we set it to 435. Or would there possibly be a reason to apportion from 1880 onward to higher numbers, or use the cube root of the population formula?
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Post by american2006 on Sept 15, 2020 15:21:03 GMT
I'm trying to write up some information on apportionment for the timeline 'Dixie Forever,' but I do have a question. If the South left the Union, the North is left with 185 seats in the House, which was formerly 233 (241 with new states). So in 1865, there are now 185 Representatives. Does the Union now decide: (a) reapportion the 241 seats among the now only-north states; the state get more representation each (b) continue apportioning seats as before the South left; each state gets what it had if the south had stayed in the Union. Which mode of thought would make the most sense? At which number would the House be capped, if at all? In our timeline, the Republicans in faced big losses so there was no reapportionment in 1920, so that might not happen, but the capping of representatives might still happen, though at a different number. What I'm trying to do is edit the timeline to insert House/Senate election information and maps for the Union as well as the Confederacy. My second question is the number of representatives. If you look at the Census website, it says that the House in 1870 was set to 292. What chose that number? That's where I'm not connecting is how and why they chose the specific numbers of 241, 283, 292, etc. It's a detailed question, yes, but I'm going for more detail in the timeline to make it a little more believable. Thanks for your help in advance. Before it was capped in 1929, it was one rep per 60,000 people.
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