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Post by lordroel on Dec 9, 2021 15:50:29 GMT
Royal Navy Ship Plans for the 1970s Aircraft Carriers - The 5 Malta class carriers are to be replaced by 4 new construction CVNs over the second half of the decade. They are scheduled to go to reserve, but it is unlikely they would be recommissioned short of a major world war. Did they preform well. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 9, 2021 16:19:54 GMT
They served through the end of WW2, Korea, 1956, the early 1960s and then Vietnam. Yes, they did perform well, but aircraft are just getting bigger and bigger.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 9, 2021 16:23:13 GMT
They served through the end of WW2, Korea, 1956, the early 1960s and then Vietnam. Yes, they did perform well, but aircraft are just getting bigger and bigger. And thus the new carriers will also i assume. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 9, 2021 16:31:05 GMT
Of course. They follow on from the 1960s Ark Royal and Illustrious class CVNs and are able to carry a full sized carrier air wing; there is space for extra aircraft in a surge situation.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 11, 2021 16:45:23 GMT
Type 21 ASW Frigates
5000 tons; 480ft x 50ft x 18ft; COGAG; Range 5000nm @ 20kts; 1 x twin 5.25”, 4 x 2.5"/75, 4 x twin 42mm, 4 x 25mm; 1 Legion CWS; 1 twin launcher with 16 Sea Wolf + 8 Icarus, 8 Paladin SSM; 2 x quadruple 15” Sting Ray ASW TT; 2 x Westland Sea King, 35 knots
These ships will have some visual similarities to the Italian Audace class destroyers in @. The 2.5" is a new automatic gun in a single mount that is in between the Bofors 57mm and the 76mm in general performance.
Type 22 AAW Frigates
5250 tons; 480ft x 52ft x 18ft; COGAG; Range 5000nm @ 20kts; 1 x twin 5.25”, 4 x 2.5"/75, 4 x twin 42mm, 8 x 25mm; 1 Legion CWS; 1 twin launcher with 24 "Sea Dart" + 8 Icarus, 8 Paladin SSM, 32 Sea Wolf SAM; 2 x quadruple 15” Sting Ray ASW TT; 2 x Westland Sea King, 35 knots
Note that "Sea Dart" is just a placeholder name for the main missile armament, as I'm tossing up the options to replace the Templar (small Tartar type SAM), Talisman (medium SAM for DDGs), Thunderbolt (long range SAM for cruisers) and Triumph (very long range SAM for capital ships based on a navalised Blue Envoy) in use since the mid-late 1950s.
Type 42 DLG
12500t; 650ft x 65ft x 25ft; COGAG; Range 6500nm @ 20kts; 2 x twin 5.25”, 8 x 2.5”, 6 x quad 42mm DACR, 12 x twin 25mm Maxim; 4 x Legion CWS, 4 x Point Defence Missile Systems; 2 twin launchers with 48 “Sea X” missiles each, 8 x Lionheart SLCM in ABL, 32 x Paladin SSM, 64 Sea Wolf SAM; 2 x quadruple 15” Sting Ray ASW TT; 2 x Westland Sea King, 35 knots
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Post by lordroel on Dec 11, 2021 17:44:54 GMT
Type 21 ASW Frigates 5000 tons; 480ft x 50ft x 18ft; COGAG; Range 5000nm @ 20kts; 1 x twin 5.25”, 4 x 2.5"/75, 4 x twin 42mm, 4 x 25mm; 1 Legion CWS; 1 twin launcher with 16 Sea Wolf + 8 Icarus, 8 Paladin SSM; 2 x quadruple 15” Sting Ray ASW TT; 2 x Westland Sea King, 35 knots The Type 21 ASW Frigates is twice as heavy as OTL version, putting it more in a range of a Type 22 frigate that would come next OTL. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 11, 2021 17:47:22 GMT
It bears no resemblance to the historical Type 21 in role, design or size.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 11, 2021 17:48:52 GMT
It bears no resemblance to the historical Type 21 in role, design or size. Only the type name it seems, okay. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 11, 2021 18:14:50 GMT
Yes, the Type system is still used for destroyers and frigates, but with some different twists and turns…
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Post by lordroel on Dec 11, 2021 18:18:09 GMT
Yes, the Type system is still used for destroyers and frigates, but with some different twists and turns… I notice, frigates are the size of destroyers, destroyers are the size of cruisers, cruisers are the size of battle cruiser in the Darkearth verse. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 11, 2021 18:30:11 GMT
The sizes of ships in @ are not the be-all and end-all of them, but rather, the function of many different factors coming together.
Take cruisers, for example. The final generation of cruiser designs, the British GWS studies of the 1950s, the Kirovs and the CSGN studies come out at a similar figure of around 24,000-25,000t.
Destroyers grew steadily with missiles until hitting the sweet spot of 12,000t.
The DE frigates are only slightly enlarged versions of the USN Knox class and RAN DDL.
Ships are named for their roles, not their sizes.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 12, 2021 6:03:38 GMT
Where things start to get interesting from here is foreign exports. By the end of the 1960s, the service life of postwar escorts is drawing to a close for many nations in Europe and beyond. The French, Germans, Italians, Spanish, Dutch and Swedish have their own production tied up quite closely, but there are a lot of potential orders from the smaller states:
Portugal: Up to 12 large frigates to replace their old mix of 6 destroyers and 10 frigates
Belgium: 6-8
Norway: 8
Denmark: 6-8
Yugoslavia: 6
Bulgaria: 4
Finland: 4
Argentina: 16
Brazil: 20
Chile: 12
Commonwealth vessels (Australia, Canada, India and South Africa all individual parts of the programme, but included for good measure)
New Avalon: 12
Australia: 24
Canada: 24+
Newfoundland: 4
Prydain: 4
Kenya: 4 (As part of Royal East African Navy)
West Indies: 8
New Zealand: 6-8
South Africa: 12
India: 40
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Post by lordroel on Dec 12, 2021 8:29:13 GMT
Where things start to get interesting from here is foreign exports. By the end of the 1960s, the service life of postwar escorts is drawing to a close for many nations in Europe and beyond. The French, Germans, Italians, Spanish, Dutch and Swedish have their own production tied up quite closely, but there are a lot of potential orders from the smaller states: Portugal: Up to 12 large frigates to replace their old mix of 6 destroyers and 10 frigates Belgium: 6-8 Norway: 8 Denmark: 6-8 Yugoslavia: 6 Bulgaria: 4 Finland: 4 Argentina: 16 Brazil: 20 Chile: 12 Commonwealth vessels (Australia, Canada, India and South Africa all individual parts of the programme, but included for good measure) New Avalon: 12 Australia: 24 Canada Newfoundland: 4 Prydain: 4 Kenya: 4 (As part of Royal East African Navy) West Indies: 8 New Zealand: 6-8 South Africa: 12 India: 40 Belgium might buy from the Netherlands ore France. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 12, 2021 8:34:05 GMT
Belgium hasn’t bought anything from France since before the Great War on account of greater connections to to British. The Dutch are an option, given Benelux, but it would depend on timing, as the Dutch don’t have a huge capacity for simultaneous construction.
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Post by stevep on Dec 12, 2021 11:19:03 GMT
Where things start to get interesting from here is foreign exports. By the end of the 1960s, the service life of postwar escorts is drawing to a close for many nations in Europe and beyond. The French, Germans, Italians, Spanish, Dutch and Swedish have their own production tied up quite closely, but there are a lot of potential orders from the smaller states: Portugal: Up to 12 large frigates to replace their old mix of 6 destroyers and 10 frigates Belgium: 6-8 Norway: 8 Denmark: 6-8 Yugoslavia: 6 Bulgaria: 4 Finland: 4 Argentina: 16 Brazil: 20 Chile: 12 Commonwealth vessels (Australia, Canada, India and South Africa all individual parts of the programme, but included for good measure) New Avalon: 12 Australia: 24 Canada Newfoundland: 4 Prydain: 4 Kenya: 4 (As part of Royal East African Navy) West Indies: 8 New Zealand: 6-8 South Africa: 12 India: 40
That's a lot of ships although it fits with the larger and more heavily militarised DE. I think you missed out Canada's order however as nothing is showing for me.
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