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Post by american2006 on Aug 11, 2020 13:21:44 GMT
31 December 1775 Outside Quebec City, Lower Canada, British North America (Disputed with the United States of Congress Assembled)
Four men sit in a camp tent, discussing the future of a plan formulated previously. Those four men, Richard Montgomery, Benedict Arnold, Daniel Morgan, and James Livingston, lead the armies of the United States of Congress Assembled. They recently have been rebelling from British rule, however, there Canadian cousins to the north where very hesitant to rebel. A fifth man walks into the tent. This man is not an American, in the sense of being a rebel, nor was he an Englishman. This man, however, held the fate of the other four in his hands. This man was Guy Carleton.
"Mr. Carleton, thank you for coming." General Montgomery says.
"Mr. Montgomery thank you for having me." Carleton says. "Back in Ireland, there was a caste system. The English where treated about the Scots, the Scots above the Irish, and the Catholics where treated the worst of all. I applied to lead Quebec to get away from it all, but I'm still disgusted by the way the French are treated. I cannot, on my own conscience, serve the British any longer. I want to join your revolution."
"Mr. Carleton, that is good news to hear." Montgomery says.
With that, the Battle of Quebec is won before it began. With Carleton in favor of the colonists, and the Catholics always having been in support of the colonists, Canada was now in the hands of the Americans.
Hello.
So, um, I'm new here. The POD ITTL is 1) better treatment of the Catholics in Canada and 2) Carleton joins the American Revolution. Any feedback, positive or negative, is appreciated.
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oscssw
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Post by oscssw on Sept 6, 2020 15:56:01 GMT
My first question is would Carleton's subordinates follow him into treason?
I'd think it more likely he would be arrested and his second would follow the same winning strategy he did in the OTL. IMHO, FWIW, the entire Canadian venture was an ill conceived, abysmally supplied basket Screw from the get go. The wonder is the rebels did as well as they did and that was only due to the superb leadership skills of Arnold.
My second is would those English Loyalists with substantial property rights, and therefore great power and influence, side with the colonists. Not always the case even in the American colonies. Without their support, Carleton does not have a chance of swaying enough people in positions of power to materially change the OTL outcome.
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Post by american2006 on Sept 6, 2020 20:40:43 GMT
My first question is would Carleton's subordinates follow him into treason?
I'd think it more likely he would be arrested and his second would follow the same winning strategy he did in the OTL. IMHO, FWIW, the entire Canadian venture was an ill conceived, abysmally supplied basket Screw from the get go. The wonder is the rebels did as well as they did and that was only due to the superb leadership skills of Arnold.
My second is would those English Loyalists with substantial property rights, and therefore great power and influence, side with the colonists. Not always the case even in the American colonies. Without their support, Carleton does not have a chance of swaying enough people in positions of power to materially change the OTL outcome.
Why? Much like in Roman Times, the leader could rally the troops to one side or another. Not all follow however. The POD is actually decades before, Canada is more like the other 13 colonies.
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Post by stevep on Sept 7, 2020 14:40:15 GMT
My first question is would Carleton's subordinates follow him into treason?
I'd think it more likely he would be arrested and his second would follow the same winning strategy he did in the OTL. IMHO, FWIW, the entire Canadian venture was an ill conceived, abysmally supplied basket Screw from the get go. The wonder is the rebels did as well as they did and that was only due to the superb leadership skills of Arnold.
My second is would those English Loyalists with substantial property rights, and therefore great power and influence, side with the colonists. Not always the case even in the American colonies. Without their support, Carleton does not have a chance of swaying enough people in positions of power to materially change the OTL outcome.
Why? Much like in Roman Times, the leader could rally the troops to one side or another. Not all follow however. The POD is actually decades before, Canada is more like the other 13 colonies.
You would probably need to explain that then as otherwise discussion is largely pointless until we know what big differences have occurred.
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