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Post by ssgtc on Jan 11, 2021 15:42:17 GMT
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Port of Tanjung Perak, East Java, IndonesiaAS-1 Kennel Anti-Ship Missiles. A first generation ASM, they are roughly the same shape as the MiG-15 with about the same performance. They are however considerably smaller than the MiG-15, allowing two of them to be carried beneath the wings of Tu-16 bombers. Their biggest selling point though, is that they allow a true stand-off attack to be made from over eighty miles away. This is a vast improvement over trying to dive bomb with tactical aircraft. Do not tell me these AS-1 Kennel Anti-Ship Missiles main target might be a Dutch Carrier. *Looks at fingernails and whistles innocently* |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 11, 2021 15:42:54 GMT
Do not tell me these AS-1 Kennel Anti-Ship Missiles main target might be a Dutch Carrier. *Looks at fingernails and whistles innocently* You seems to do that a lot when i ask question that come close to what might happen. |
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Post by ssgtc on Jan 11, 2021 15:47:37 GMT
*Looks at fingernails and whistles innocently* You seems to do that a lot when i ask question that come close to what might happen. Well, I try not to give things away. But yes, that is why the Indonesians are buying them. They want an effective deterrent to keep the Dutch from interfering in West New Guinea. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 11, 2021 15:56:49 GMT
You seems to do that a lot when i ask question that come close to what might happen. Well, I try not to give things away. But yes, that is why the Indonesians are buying them. They want an effective deterrent to keep the Dutch from interfering in West New Guinea. So only 2 missiles, looking at this photo below which i took from this nice site: Soviet/Russian Cruise Missiles, the AS-1 Kennel are huge.  |
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Post by ssgtc on Jan 11, 2021 16:03:27 GMT
Well, I try not to give things away. But yes, that is why the Indonesians are buying them. They want an effective deterrent to keep the Dutch from interfering in West New Guinea. So only 2 missiles, looking at this photo below which i took from this nice site: Soviet/Russian Cruise Missiles, the AS-1 Kennel are huge. Yeah, it's a big missile. The Tu-16 could fit one under each wing |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 11, 2021 16:06:46 GMT
Yeah, it's a big missile. The Tu-16 could fit one under each wing And looking at this YouTube clip, it has a big punch. |
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Post by ssgtc on Jan 11, 2021 16:10:12 GMT
Yeah, it's a big missile. The Tu-16 could fit one under each wing And looking at this YouTube clip, it has a big punch. Yeah, it carried a 1300 pound warhead plus the mass of the missile and any unused fuel. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 11, 2021 16:13:42 GMT
And looking at this YouTube clip, it has a big punch. Yeah, it carried a 1300 pound warhead plus the mass of the missile and any unused fuel. I would assume that multiple bombers would fire multiple missiles at a large surface target. |
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Post by ssgtc on Jan 11, 2021 16:16:55 GMT
Yeah, it carried a 1300 pound warhead plus the mass of the missile and any unused fuel. I would assume that multiple bombers would fire multiple missiles at a large surface target. Oh definitely. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 11, 2021 16:17:40 GMT
I would assume that multiple bombers would fire multiple missiles at a large surface target. Oh definitely. So that means more missiles will arrive then. |
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Post by ssgtc on Jan 11, 2021 16:22:26 GMT
So that means more missiles will arrive then. They had several crates of missiles delivered, not just the one. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 11, 2021 16:24:31 GMT
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Edwards Air Force Base, California, USATwo and a half hours later, the hulking brute of a fighter landed back at Edwards Air Force Base and the pilot climbed from the cockpit. He had done everything he could think of to stall the compressor and the redesigned had performed nearly flawlessly. Only once was he able to induce a compressor stall, and that was while doing something that would probably never be done in regular service. He had accelerated to mach 1.8, then cut the throttle to idle and pulled the plane into a high-G climbing turn. The airflow had been so badly disrupted that the both the wing and the compressor had stalled. Thank God he had plenty of altitude below him to recover because he had damn near gone into a flat spin doing that. He'd let the engineers know to make a note in the flight manual never to do that in an operational squadron. Did this happen in OTL as well. |
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Post by ssgtc on Jan 11, 2021 16:33:48 GMT
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Edwards Air Force Base, California, USATwo and a half hours later, the hulking brute of a fighter landed back at Edwards Air Force Base and the pilot climbed from the cockpit. He had done everything he could think of to stall the compressor and the redesigned had performed nearly flawlessly. Only once was he able to induce a compressor stall, and that was while doing something that would probably never be done in regular service. He had accelerated to mach 1.8, then cut the throttle to idle and pulled the plane into a high-G climbing turn. The airflow had been so badly disrupted that the both the wing and the compressor had stalled. Thank God he had plenty of altitude below him to recover because he had damn near gone into a flat spin doing that. He'd let the engineers know to make a note in the flight manual never to do that in an operational squadron. Did this happen in OTL as well. No. They never quite got the compressor stall issue solved. They had managed to reduce it, but the program was canceled before they could fully resolve it. In TTL, Vought has put some more money into the F8U-3 due to interest from Australia so they were able to try a few more fixes. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 11, 2021 16:42:34 GMT
Did this happen in OTL as well. No. They never quite got the compressor stall issue solved. They had managed to reduce it, but the program was canceled before they could fully resolve it. In TTL, Vought has put some more money into the F8U-3 due to interest from Australia so they were able to try a few more fixes. So it will have a better performance than OTL. |
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Post by ssgtc on Jan 11, 2021 16:52:41 GMT
No. They never quite got the compressor stall issue solved. They had managed to reduce it, but the program was canceled before they could fully resolve it. In TTL, Vought has put some more money into the F8U-3 due to interest from Australia so they were able to try a few more fixes. So it will have a better performance than OTL. Not really. Instead, it'll actually be able to reach the performance levels that Vought thought it could. When it was canceled in OTL, Vought was preparing a new windscreen for it to replace the plexiglass that was installed on the prototypes. The windscreen limited the -3 to mach 2.39 because it would melt from the heat generated beyond that point. The new windscreen would have solved that issue. Test pilots thought the Super Crusader could reach mach 2.9 on just the engine (the aircraft was still accelerating at .1 mach every 17 seconds when the throttles were pulled back at mach 2.39). Vought was a bit more conservative and figured mach 2.6 with the aircraft able to briefly reach mach 3.2 with the addition of a under development rocket motor. The Phantom was designed with that rocket in mind as well, but the Navy canceled work on it around this time. |
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