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Post by archibald on Sept 28, 2020 18:44:41 GMT
Wikipedia has a seemingly infinite number of lists for almost everything, including US carriers.
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Post by ssgtc on Sept 28, 2020 18:45:07 GMT
No. Kitty Hawk was built before Enterprise. She was CV-63. The Navy just reordered America to the newest conventional design they had to get her in the water as fast as possible. The next hull number available is 67, but whether she'll be CVA or CVAN? You'll just have to keep reading. A thanks for the explanation, it is hard to keep track on US carrier if you do not know it, its is even harder when there are US carrier being build in a TL like this. Yeah, it can be easy to lose track. |
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Post by ssgtc on Sept 28, 2020 18:46:47 GMT
Wikipedia has a seemingly infinite number of lists for almost everything, including US carriers. You can also access the US Naval Register online and get a full list of every ship that has ever served in the USN sorted by hull type. That comes in enormously helpful |
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Post by ssgtc on Oct 12, 2020 13:39:28 GMT
December 15, 1957
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory, Australia
Following a month of informal discussions within the Defense Ministry and exploratory discussions with the military attaches of the United States, France and the United Kingdom two formal Requests for Proposals are issued by the Royal Australian Air Force. The first proposal is for a new general purpose fighter to replace their existing CAC Sabres. The minimum requirements are Mach 2 speed, infrared and/or radar guided missiles and a combat radius of at least three hundred nautical miles on internal fuel, with the ability to extend their range to at least five hundred nautical miles with drop tanks and/or midair refueling.
The second proposal issued is for a long range bomber to supplement and eventually replace the existing Canberra force. The proposal contained the requirement that any aircraft offered be capable of Mach 1 at low level and Mach 2 at high altitude, have an unrefueled combat radius of two thousand miles, be capable of carrying a bomb load of at least ten thousand pounds and be able to operate from existing air bases.
To be considered, all proposals must be tendered by February 1, 1958.
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Post by ssgtc on Oct 12, 2020 13:43:12 GMT
January 5, 1958
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Vice Admiral W. V. Davis Jr, the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Air, arrives at the Argentine Embassy on New Hampshire Ave for a ten AM meeting with the Argentine Ambassador and Naval Attaché. When scheduling the meeting with the DNO(Air)'s office, the Ambassador stated that Argentina was considering the purchase of an aircraft carrier and wished to inquire about the possibility of acquiring either an Essex or Independence class carrier from surplus US Navy stocks. With that in mind, Vice Admiral Davis came prepared with information on possibly transferring USS Leyte to Argentina, providing Argentina was willing to pay to upgrade Leyte to the same standard as Oriskany and that Congressional approval could be obtained. In that regard, he assured the Ambassador of Admiral Burke's support for the transfer of an aircraft carrier.
It is a long meeting and Admiral Davis spends most of the day with the Ambassador discussing the pros and cons of operating a full sized fleet carrier verses the light carriers they were considering from the British Colossus and American Independence classes. As the meeting drew to a close, the Ambassador promised to forward the information to his Government for consideration. In a shrewd move by Admiral Davis, he offered to have USS Intrepid call at Buenos Aires in the summer during her Summer Midshipmen cruise to allow the Argentine Navy and Government to see first hand what they could acquire.
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Post by lordroel on Oct 12, 2020 14:07:54 GMT
January 5, 1958
Washington, DC, USAVice Admiral W. V. Davis Jr, the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Air, arrives at the Argentine Embassy on New Hampshire Ave for a ten AM meeting with the Argentine Ambassador and Naval Attaché. When scheduling the meeting with the DNO(Air)'s office, the Ambassador stated that Argentina was considering the purchase of an aircraft carrier and wished to inquire about the possibility of acquiring either an Essex or Independence class carrier from surplus US Navy stocks. With that in mind, Vice Admiral Davis came prepared with information on possibly transferring USS Leyte to Argentina, providing Argentina was willing to pay to upgrade Leyte to the same standard as Oriskany and that Congressional approval could be obtained. In that regard, he assured the Ambassador of Admiral Burke's support for the transfer of an aircraft carrier. It is a long meeting and Admiral Davis spends most of the day with the Ambassador discussing the pros and cons of operating a full sized fleet carrier verses the light carriers they were considering from the British Colossus and American Independence classes. As the meeting drew to a close, the Ambassador promised to forward the information to his Government for consideration. In a shrewd move by Admiral Davis, he offered to have USS Intrepid call at Buenos Aires in the summer during her Summer Midshipmen cruise to allow the Argentine Navy and Government to see first hand what they could acquire. Why do i have a feeling this Argentina carrier will suffer something during a war many years in the future. |
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Post by ssgtc on Oct 12, 2020 14:12:26 GMT
January 5, 1958
Washington, DC, USAVice Admiral W. V. Davis Jr, the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Air, arrives at the Argentine Embassy on New Hampshire Ave for a ten AM meeting with the Argentine Ambassador and Naval Attaché. When scheduling the meeting with the DNO(Air)'s office, the Ambassador stated that Argentina was considering the purchase of an aircraft carrier and wished to inquire about the possibility of acquiring either an Essex or Independence class carrier from surplus US Navy stocks. With that in mind, Vice Admiral Davis came prepared with information on possibly transferring USS Leyte to Argentina, providing Argentina was willing to pay to upgrade Leyte to the same standard as Oriskany and that Congressional approval could be obtained. In that regard, he assured the Ambassador of Admiral Burke's support for the transfer of an aircraft carrier. It is a long meeting and Admiral Davis spends most of the day with the Ambassador discussing the pros and cons of operating a full sized fleet carrier verses the light carriers they were considering from the British Colossus and American Independence classes. As the meeting drew to a close, the Ambassador promised to forward the information to his Government for consideration. In a shrewd move by Admiral Davis, he offered to have USS Intrepid call at Buenos Aires in the summer during her Summer Midshipmen cruise to allow the Argentine Navy and Government to see first hand what they could acquire. Why do i have a feeling this Argentina carrier will suffer something during a war many years in the future. Because you're naturally suspicious? |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 12, 2020 14:13:24 GMT
Why do i have a feeling this Argentina carrier will suffer something during a war many years in the future. Because you're naturally suspicious? Will Argentinian also buy planes for a carrier. |
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Post by ssgtc on Oct 12, 2020 14:19:21 GMT
Because you're naturally suspicious? Will Argentinian also buy planes for a carrier. Assuming they buy a carrier, yes, they will need an air group for it. What shape that Air group takes is still up in the air though. |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 12, 2020 14:20:25 GMT
Will Argentinian also buy planes for a carrier. Assuming they buy a carrier, yes, they will need an air group for it. What shape that Air group takes is still up in the air though. That will be a big one if they want to fully use a Essex. |
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Post by ssgtc on Oct 12, 2020 14:27:59 GMT
Assuming they buy a carrier, yes, they will need an air group for it. What shape that Air group takes is still up in the air though. That will be a big one if they want to fully use a Essex. It's doubtful that they would put a full 70+ plane USN air wing on her. The USN frankly does some insane things at sea with their carriers. Like cramming 5 squadrons of fighters and attack planes onto an Essex along with 4 AEW&C, 4 EKAs, 2 COD and a few helicopters. |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 12, 2020 14:30:37 GMT
That will be a big one if they want to fully use a Essex. It's doubtful that they would put a full 70+ plane USN air wing on her. The USN frankly does some insane things at sea with their carriers. Like cramming 5 squadrons of fighters and attack planes onto an Essex along with 4 AEW&C, 4 EKAs, 2 COD and a few helicopters. If Argentinian would do that their Argentine Naval Aviation would be bigger than their air force. |
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Post by ssgtc on Oct 12, 2020 14:46:41 GMT
It's doubtful that they would put a full 70+ plane USN air wing on her. The USN frankly does some insane things at sea with their carriers. Like cramming 5 squadrons of fighters and attack planes onto an Essex along with 4 AEW&C, 4 EKAs, 2 COD and a few helicopters. If Argentinian would do that their Argentine Naval Aviation would be bigger than their air force. Which is why they won't do that. Maybe 3 or 4 squadrons of fighters and attackers and a couple AEW&C. Maybe one or two choppers for ASW and/or SAR. |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 12, 2020 14:51:56 GMT
If Argentinian would do that their Argentine Naval Aviation would be bigger than their air force. Which is why they won't do that. Maybe 3 or 4 squadrons of fighters and attackers and a couple AEW&C. Maybe one or two choppers for ASW and/or SAR. Then a Independence class is a better choice for Argentina then. |
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Post by stevep on Oct 12, 2020 15:19:42 GMT
Which is why they won't do that. Maybe 3 or 4 squadrons of fighters and attackers and a couple AEW&C. Maybe one or two choppers for ASW and/or SAR. Then a Independence class is a better choice for Argentina then.
It might depend on circumstances. An Independence would be cheaper to operate and probably to purchase. However a Essex would probably have longer term capability. Especially over time as a/c get larger and heavier as the Independence might be limited to how many a/c and of what times it can handle. It all depends on what the leadership in Argentina is thinking. However prestige and having a full fleet carrier is very likely to be an issue as well.
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