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Post by lordroel on Aug 1, 2020 11:45:14 GMT
I wonder is it possible to convert a cruiser like the Town-class cruiser (1910) into a aircraft carrier instead of having HMS Argus (I49) who was a ocean liner that was under construction when the World War I began I know the Royal Navy did it with HMS Vindictive (1918) who was original a Hawkins-class heavy cruiser but she was only completed a few weeks before the end of the war and saw no active service with the Grand Fleet. i would love to see 1 ore more light carriers in service in 1916 ore 1917.
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Post by stevep on Aug 1, 2020 12:15:03 GMT
I wonder is it possible to convert a cruiser like the Town-class cruiser (1910) into a aircraft carrier instead of having HMS Argus (I49) who was a ocean liner that was under construction when the World War I began I know the Royal Navy did it with HMS Vindictive (1918) who was original a Hawkins-class heavy cruiser but she was only completed a few weeks before the end of the war and saw no active service with the Grand Fleet. i would love to see 1 ore more light carriers in service in 1916 ore 1917.
I suspect its unlikely as the Town class were in service and playing a role in operations in the North Sea. Vindictive was still under construction when altered so wasn't reducing the actual existing fleet strength which either side of Jutland was still considered very important.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 1, 2020 13:17:41 GMT
I wonder is it possible to convert a cruiser like the Town-class cruiser (1910) into a aircraft carrier instead of having HMS Argus (I49) who was a ocean liner that was under construction when the World War I began I know the Royal Navy did it with HMS Vindictive (1918) who was original a Hawkins-class heavy cruiser but she was only completed a few weeks before the end of the war and saw no active service with the Grand Fleet. i would love to see 1 ore more light carriers in service in 1916 ore 1917. I suspect its unlikely as the Town class were in service and playing a role in operations in the North Sea. Vindictive was still under construction when altered so wasn't reducing the actual existing fleet strength which either side of Jutland was still considered very important.
So no more conversion then during the 1914 to 1918 period.
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Post by stevep on Aug 2, 2020 10:00:05 GMT
I suspect its unlikely as the Town class were in service and playing a role in operations in the North Sea. Vindictive was still under construction when altered so wasn't reducing the actual existing fleet strength which either side of Jutland was still considered very important.
So no more conversion then during the 1914 to 1918 period.
Not of currently existing and useful warships. You could see more merchant ships modified as either seaplane or aircraft carriers and possibly more hulls under construction/designs that proved impractical as with Glorious, Courageous and Furious later in OTL.
I've toyed with a TL one aspect of which is that Fisher's attempt to sail Courageous and Glorious under the radar so to speak as very large light cruisers - since the government had decided not to start new capital ships as they would be unlikely to be completed before the war ended - had been discovered. If so at the very least he gets a slap on the wrist and work on them is suspended. This leaves two [three counting Furious] large hulls that just possibly someone might see as the basis for what we would now think of as carriers. Probably unlikely but you could end up with something like the OTL conversions - even if flush deck form - by say late 1917 or 1918 which might make the planned attack on the HSF something that occurs before the armistice. Which would have a lot of butterflies, especially if it was successful.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 2, 2020 14:36:50 GMT
So no more conversion then during the 1914 to 1918 period. Not of currently existing and useful warships. You could see more merchant ships modified as either seaplane or aircraft carriers and possibly more hulls under construction/designs that proved impractical as with Glorious, Courageous and Furious later in OTL.
I've toyed with a TL one aspect of which is that Fisher's attempt to sail Courageous and Glorious under the radar so to speak as very large light cruisers - since the government had decided not to start new capital ships as they would be unlikely to be completed before the war ended - had been discovered. If so at the very least he gets a slap on the wrist and work on them is suspended. This leaves two [three counting Furious] large hulls that just possibly someone might see as the basis for what we would now think of as carriers. Probably unlikely but you could end up with something like the OTL conversions - even if flush deck form - by say late 1917 or 1918 which might make the planned attack on the HSF something that occurs before the armistice. Which would have a lot of butterflies, especially if it was successful. Because i loved to see some more of these actions: The Tondern raid of 1918 (First Ever Aircraft Carrier Attack) but a little bit earlier and against other ships.
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Post by oscssw on Aug 2, 2020 15:58:45 GMT
Cruisers have speed and naval standards of construction going for them but converted passenger liners seem to have been the preferred ships for conversion to "fleet carriers". The passenger liners had speed and size going for them which made them desirable for conversion. Between the wars (WW I and II) there were a lot of plans for these conversions.
The largest class of cruiser conversions, to my knowledge, were the USN WWII Independence class CVL. They gave good service at a critical time but their air groups were about 33 aircraft heavily weighted with fighters. At 14,000 tons standard displacement, they were bigger than most WW I cruisers.
On the other hand, Battle cruisers seemed to make very good "Fleet" aircraft Carriers Lady Lex, Sara, Amagi etc.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 3, 2020 14:38:24 GMT
Cruisers have speed and naval standards of construction going for them but converted passenger liners seem to have been the preferred ships for conversion to "fleet carriers". The passenger liners had speed and size going for them which made them desirable for conversion. Between the wars (WW I and II) there were a lot of plans for these conversions.
The largest class of cruiser conversions, to my knowledge, were the USN WWII Independence class CVL. They gave good service at a critical time but their air groups were about 33 aircraft heavily weighted with fighters. At 14,000 tons standard displacement, they were bigger than most WW I cruisers.
On the other hand, Battle cruisers seemed to make very good "Fleet" aircraft Carriers Lady Lex, Sara, Amagi etc. But doubt the British are going to convert battle cruisers to carrier during the war, light ore heavy cruise maybe but not battle cruisers.
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