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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Mar 2, 2020 1:19:24 GMT
So the Wars of Roses was basically a conflict between two rival houses of Lancaster and York over the crown of England (and the main inspiration behind Game of Thrones), which the House of York initially won but eventually ended with the indirect victory for House of Lancaster (through Henry Tudor, who became the first Tudor King of England) with the victory in Bosworth Field.
However, was there a chance that a similar scenario to the one that described the Wars of Roses that broke out in England could have broken out elsewhere? Japan during the Sengoku Period would or wouldn't really count, as it was a civil war among the Japanese clans, but it was more of a fight for the right to unite Japan than claiming the title of an Emperor or Shogun (mainly because the Ashikaga held the title of Shogun during the Sengoku Period). Poland-Lithuania had subverted it by having an elective monarchy, but Russia almost came close with the era of the False Dmitrys and the Time of Troubles.
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Post by stevep on Mar 2, 2020 18:03:10 GMT
So the Wars of Roses was basically a conflict between two rival houses of Lancaster and York over the crown of England (and the main inspiration behind Game of Thrones), which the House of York initially won but eventually ended with the indirect victory for House of Lancaster (through Henry Tudor, who became the first Tudor King of England) with the victory in Bosworth Field. However, was there a chance that a similar scenario to the one that described the Wars of Roses that broke out in England could have broken out elsewhere? Japan during the Sengoku Period would or wouldn't really count, as it was a civil war among the Japanese clans, but it was more of a fight for the right to unite Japan than claiming the title of an Emperor or Shogun (mainly because the Ashikaga held the title of Shogun during the Sengoku Period). Poland-Lithuania had subverted it by having an elective monarchy, but Russia almost came close with the era of the False Dmitrys and the Time of Troubles.
While it had strong religious aspects what about the conflict in France between elements of the Bourbon dynasty eventually won by Herni IV? Or some of the changes that occurred to the Hapsburg dominance in Germany prior to them ultimately being superseded by the Hohenzollern's of Prussia. Prior to the Norman conquest Ireland had a lot of dynastical conflict as to a degree did England prior to the rise of Wessex.
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Mar 26, 2020 2:26:24 GMT
The events in France and the German states might have counted, though the Thirty Years' War may or may not count as a Wars of Roses like conflict on the continent.
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Post by CastilloVerde on Mar 26, 2020 15:43:44 GMT
Would the Wars of the Diadochi immediately following the death of Alexander count? The rival successors were initially fighting to inherit the empire even though no one was successful in the end. Royal houses, most famously the Ptolemies and the Seleucids, were created during the conflict.
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Mar 26, 2020 23:44:41 GMT
Would the Wars of the Diadochi immediately following the death of Alexander count? The rival successors were initially fighting to inherit the empire even though no one was successful in the end. Royal houses, most famously the Ptolemies and the Seleucids, were created during the conflict. That would definitely count as a Wars of Roses style conflict, and it would be the Wars of Roses of the Antiquity Era, way before the actual said conflict occurred. |
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