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Post by lordroel on Jan 2, 2020 15:16:46 GMT
In 100 years from now, the Netherlands will be a land of green cities, circular agriculture, and more forests, water and swamps. This is how green the Netherlands could be in 100 yearsPictured below is the Netherlands in 2020 on the left and how the Netherlands could look like in 2120. Complete map of the Netherlands in 2120
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Post by stevep on Jan 3, 2020 12:24:33 GMT
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That looks like as well as what's presumably large sea based solar power plants it does seem that the Dutch are trying to reclaim land from the N Sea, with what seems to be a new island emerging. That could be quite challenging with expected, let along possible/probable levels of sea level rises. Would be interesting if they could achieve that. Used to have ideas of the raising of the Dogger Bank region to make it habitable but that was rather speculative and without consideration of global warming.
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PS Read the link, which I initially missed , but a hell of a lot of other sections to the document that I'm just skimming through at the moment. Many thanks.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 3, 2020 13:45:06 GMT
So the Neterlands has current a population of 17.6 million, in 2120, some Dutch scientist predicht that we will have a population of only 16 million, if that is the case, this Green Netherlands scenario is a lot more realistic than i toughed.
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Post by stevep on Jan 3, 2020 14:07:32 GMT
So the Neterlands has current a population of 17.6 million, in 2120, some Dutch scientist predicht that we will have a population of only 16 million, if that is the case, this Green Netherlands scenario is a lot more realistic than i toughed.
Its a big issue on the declining 'native' populations in a lot of the developed world. Those countries who still have growing populations seem to depend largely on either immigrants and/or greater birth rates among existing recent migrant communities. If this doesn't change and if the rate of migration was to decline, for whatever reason, then populations are likely to decline, possibly steeply. I think Italy and Japan are facing the worst problems here. On the other hand given that growth rates are still high in much of the 3rd world coupled with political instability, increased ease of transportation and the effects of climate change and other ecological problems the migration rates could well rises dramatically, provided the internal politics of the countries involved allows it.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 3, 2020 14:10:33 GMT
So the Neterlands has current a population of 17.6 million, in 2120, some Dutch scientist predicht that we will have a population of only 16 million, if that is the case, this Green Netherlands scenario is a lot more realistic than i toughed. Its a big issue on the declining 'native' populations in a lot of the developed world. Those countries who still have growing populations seem to depend largely on either immigrants and/or greater birth rates among existing recent migrant communities. If this doesn't change and if the rate of migration was to decline, for whatever reason, then populations are likely to decline, possibly steeply. I think Italy and Japan are facing the worst problems here. On the other hand given that growth rates are still high in much of the 3rd world coupled with political instability, increased ease of transportation and the effects of climate change and other ecological problems the migration rates could well rises dramatically, provided the internal politics of the countries involved allows it.
The prediction is that by 2100 the population will consist ore will have a 50 % migrate background.
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Post by stevep on Jan 3, 2020 15:57:09 GMT
Its a big issue on the declining 'native' populations in a lot of the developed world. Those countries who still have growing populations seem to depend largely on either immigrants and/or greater birth rates among existing recent migrant communities. If this doesn't change and if the rate of migration was to decline, for whatever reason, then populations are likely to decline, possibly steeply. I think Italy and Japan are facing the worst problems here. On the other hand given that growth rates are still high in much of the 3rd world coupled with political instability, increased ease of transportation and the effects of climate change and other ecological problems the migration rates could well rises dramatically, provided the internal politics of the countries involved allows it.
The prediction is that by 2100 the population will consist ore will have a 50 % migrate background.
Ouch. That's a hell of a cultural change.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 3, 2020 16:00:10 GMT
The prediction is that by 2100 the population will consist ore will have a 50 % migrate background. Ouch. That's a hell of a cultural change.
Yes it is, but that also explains how the Neterlands will be kept green, with only a population of 16 million in 2100, i always assumed we would have a population of some 30 million then, seems i am wrong.
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Post by dayton3 on Jan 15, 2020 15:35:00 GMT
Very pretty. Who says climate change is all bad.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 15, 2020 16:01:54 GMT
Very pretty. Who says climate change is all bad. Tell that to the people of Venice and Australia. But i still do not think the Netherlands in 2120 only has 16 million people living in it, i think we are going to be mostly around the 20 million figure, but that is just my option.
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Post by stevep on Jan 15, 2020 16:16:06 GMT
Very pretty. Who says climate change is all bad. Tell that to the people of Venice and Australia. But i still do not think the Netherlands in 2120 only has 16 million people living in it, i think we are going to be mostly around the 20 million figure, but that is just my option.
Along with a lot of others areas that could be hit far worse than them. Including Britain and the Netherlands if they get things wrong. The proposed plan is a reaction to the problems caused by climatic problems but that seeks to mitigate those problems. An even better future might well be possible with no global warming.
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Post by dayton3 on Jan 15, 2020 20:45:17 GMT
Very pretty. Who says climate change is all bad. Tell that to the people of Venice and Australia. But i still do not think the Netherlands in 2120 only has 16 million people living in it, i think we are going to be mostly around the 20 million figure, but that is just my option. If you're talking about the fires in Australia currently I rather doubt they can be attributed to climate change.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 16, 2020 4:13:01 GMT
Tell that to the people of Venice and Australia. But i still do not think the Netherlands in 2120 only has 16 million people living in it, i think we are going to be mostly around the 20 million figure, but that is just my option. If you're talking about the fires in Australia currently I rather doubt they can be attributed to climate change. Well what ever the cause of the fires is in Australia, i doubt we are going to see that in the Netherlands in the future.
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Post by stevep on Jan 16, 2020 12:24:14 GMT
Tell that to the people of Venice and Australia. But i still do not think the Netherlands in 2120 only has 16 million people living in it, i think we are going to be mostly around the 20 million figure, but that is just my option. If you're talking about the fires in Australia currently I rather doubt they can be attributed to climate change.
I wasn't specifically talking about them as other countries are likely to suffer a lot worse. The continued drastic warming of the Earth's surface and other effects of global warming are however almost certainly a contributory factor.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 16, 2020 16:14:10 GMT
I do notice the Netherlands of 2120 has a lot of off shore wind parks.
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Post by stevep on Jan 17, 2020 11:24:18 GMT
I do notice the Netherlands of 2120 has a lot of off shore wind parks.
Wind parks and also what looks like a lot of solar panels out at sea - although how viable that would be I don't know since they would be exposed to storms and also a lot of salt water which might cause fairly rapid erosion. Also off to the north what looks like some sort of land reclaiming operation. Although as I think I said earlier how viable that would be with higher sea levels and probably more severe storms.
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