|
Post by chinuaneustadt on Oct 28, 2019 0:33:34 GMT
Hello everyone,
I have a very long and complicated history with making alternative history projects. Some of them get finished, others do not, and a few were left uncompleted during my last semester as an undergraduate at college.
One of the things that I have been interested in for a few years now is the idea of the changing landscape of the future. We don't really live in the world where everything is North Atlantic, and I think that rushing to make everything North Atlantic and South/East Asian will start to date itself really soon. It is often a fool's quest to take a look into the future with anything approaching certainty, but every now and again I get the urge to put to paper something about an imaginary, if plausible, future.
This afternoon, I felt like starting something. I made this account back in May, so I figured I would put it to use. Whether its POD is in the near future or the near past is up for you to decide, I will leave that vague. Instead, what this project will be about is an attempt to stitch humanity back together again after a particularly traumatic period in the history of this timeline. In the 27th century, humanity collapsed in something truly violent and horrific. Sometimes referred to as a single war, other times referred to as a collection of wars, most of Earth and the early inhabited worlds of human beings are gone now. With that, the vast majority of humanity ended in what is hereafter called "The Cradle Wars."
Human interstellar governance used to reach almost every corner of the galaxy, and even some dwarf galaxies nearby, but this is no longer the case. After a "dark age" period, in the 30th century something approaching an interstellar governing structure was formed. In the year 3091, a decision was made to formally investigate and reintroduce human settlements that appear to have been lost as a result of the collapse. The current year is 3126. This interstellar government, which I will leave vague for now, is devotedly humanist and benevolently inclined, something akin to the Federation from Star Trek, but not entirely what it appears to be.
Some facts for guidance as this continues:
Prior to the collapse of human interstellar civilization there were 4196 colonization efforts to originate from Earth, 3277 originated from other planets. Most of these are gone now.
The peak population of human beings was nearing 5 trillion, it is now about 233 billion. Of that population, about 18 Billion continue to live on planetary bodies. At least, according to the interstellar government's estimation.
There are aliens, but few of them are sapient. They are more akin to biohazards or alien wildlife, and should not be thought of as peer to peer competitors unless directly stated.
Autonomous robotic lifeforms abound, however. AI is also around, but will be treated differently.
The new interstellar government does not represent all of modern interstellar humanity, but it does represent most of it.
Some worlds will have strong cultural, religious, and linguistic continuity, while others may be entirely unrecognizable.
Posts for this timeline will largely be either about a world, a faction, or a broader thematic history.
In any case, let's get started.
|
|
|
Post by chinuaneustadt on Oct 28, 2019 0:36:54 GMT
Name: Ongsi Yabeibei Discovered: 2084 Explored: 2194 First Settlement: 2347 Affiliation During the Cradle Wars: None Last Contact with Interstellar Governance: 2656 Year of Rediscovery: 3108 Planetary Classification: Tidally Locked Earth-Like Planet within the Habitable Zone Population Estimate: 210 Million (1.17% of Planetary Humanity 0.09% of Humanity) Technological Level: 18th-25th Century Hybrid, no Interstellar Capacity, minimal risk for AI proliferation, limited autonomous robotics capacity. Governance Type: Subterranean City State Federations Prevailing Cultures: Amharic, Oromo, Yue Secondary Cultures: Han, Sinhalese, Punjabi, Brazilian, Thai, Polish, Arab Tertiary Culture: American Language Estimate: Ongi Yabeibei Creole (Amharic, Oromo, Mandarin, and English) 71%, Ethiopian Creole (Amharic and Oromo) 12%, Chinese 7%, Punjabi 4%, Portuguese 2%, English 2%, Arabic 1%, Other 1% Religious Estimate: Local Abrahamic Variations 24%, Pan-Christian 21%, Pan-Islamic 12%, Local Dharmic Variations 9%, Ethiopian Orthodox 8%, Pan-Buddhism 5%, Catholicism 2%, Ongsi Yabeibei Folk Religion 1.5%, Judaism .5%, Atheist/Irreligious 17% Degree of Secularity: Moderate to High
History: One of 4196 known planetary colonization projects originating from Earth prior to the Cradle Wars, Ongsi Yabeibei is one of the more intact worlds to be examined during the 32nd century’s rediscovery efforts. It ranks as the 16th most populated planet in the known galaxy, most likely due to the early loss of contact.
Organized mostly as a joint Ethiopian-Chinese project with moderate financial backing from a consortium group based in Chicago, after the initial proof of concept and settlement during the 24th century, major interest from a Pakistani population resettlement NGO would contribute around 15% of Hongsi Yabeibei’s ancestral population.
During the 25th century, Ongsi Yabeibei went into economic decline, largely due to the financial ruin of many of their principle backers. While Ethiopia would maintain nominal control over the venture, the Chinese bought out of the experience and different groups would retain involvement for a few years to a few decades.
Following the September Revolutions in Africa, a Brazilian technocratic group organized a multinational effort from Poland, Sri Lanka, Yemen, and Thailand to place the world under new management. While 24 major colonial expeditions were scheduled to take place, only five were launched prior events leading to the Cradle Wars and the collapse of most interstellar governing bodies. Sporadic contact continued until 2656.
Due to tensions between the new governing body and the local inhabitants on Ongsi Yabeibei, following several worker’s strikes and demands for self-governance, strong regional sentiments emerged along the lines of their urban population sectors. There are six major urban settlements, and 52 minor settlements. There are sporadic isolate communities as well.
Due to the planetary geophysics of Ongsi Yabeibei, few people live on the surface. There are several habitable zones, particularly in a craterous valley with an earth-like temperate climate, and an earth-like Tundra/Taiga region where the winds rarely exceed 60 kilometers per hour near the South Pole, but fewer than 20 million people live there permanently, and it is unclear if they did so in the aftermath of a small planetary war that destroyed their original habitats.
Though there are 58 urban centers, evidence of 34 others have been discovered. These locations, however, show signs of substantial deterioration to the point of no longer being habitable. Many of these appear to be the result of unstable tectonic activity, but there are clear signifiers of conflict, particularly in the case of Ongsi Yabeibei’s former planetary capital, during the 28th century.
Of the still functioning urban centers, 36 appear to be democratically governed. 22 of the democratically governed city-states elect their leaders and create law directly, while the remainder are indirect representative democracies. 18 are oligarchies modeled on corporate or guild structures, though there are varying degrees of societal participation. Three are militaristic dictatorships. One is ruled by a hereditary monarchy.
None of these city states control another, though strong informal patronage systems exist, particularly among the major and the minor urban centers. Most of the settlements are organized by clusters, and it is around these clusters that many of the federations have emerged from. There are four federations, and together they represent 51 urban centers.
Most urban centers are in states of scientific decay, most likely due to the immense difficulties of repairing equipment and technical infrastructure on a world that was never designed to possess the capacity for sustained growth or an independent sustainable framework. What is surprising, however, is that so many of the urban centers have done so well, and there are two urban centers that have maintained roughly 25th century technological infrastructure, and one additional urban center that appears capable of wholly sustained and sustainable existence.
Fear of damaging remaining equipment and transportation infrastructure has largely resulted in a stalemate between the different urban centers. While at one-point warfare appears to have taken place, no war has occurred since the dawn of the 30th century. Most of what could be cannibalized and repurposed has already done so. There is some limited orbital infrastructure, but nothing particularly noteworthy.
Reintroduction to interstellar governance may prove difficult on the question of sovereignty. While they lack any capacity to harm us, their strong history of independence and largely unchallenged democratic norms may make them becoming a small part of a much larger galaxy societally and politically unsound.
Recommendation for first contact is to make a uniform effort at communication among the urban centers, and offer the gradual reintroduction of lost technologies to those city states most in decline. The appearance of favoritism must be avoided, and clear delineation between old and new forms of interstellar governance must be made.
|
|
stevep
Fleet admiral
Posts: 24,835
Likes: 13,224
|
Post by stevep on Oct 28, 2019 15:55:44 GMT
Interesting project but sounds like it could be a huge one.
I do notice that most of the human population lives off planetary habitats. Would those be some sort of O'neal type colonies or settled asteroids or minor moons or something different? Also in such cases how much of a variety in terms of gravity is there? Suspect a lot of such bodies could be used to gravity's less than 1G Earth standard which could mean a lot of cultural differences. Also possibly a lot of use of biological or mechanical enhancement in many cases?
Also how has Earth and the Sol system fared in all this? Have they still got a prominent role in the new interstellar system or was it largely/totally trashed?
Looking forward to seeing more.
Steve
|
|
|
Post by chinuaneustadt on Oct 29, 2019 2:25:32 GMT
stevep, Thanks Steve! Yeah, this one is going to take a while to finish. Probably a couple years. There are some O'neill type colonies, but these were something akin to luxuries. You will find the majority of earth-like biodiversity in O'Neill cylinders, but there are under a hundred that are still in good condition. Maybe another 200 that are in a state of decline, with the rest wholly abandoned or scrapped for their parts. Probably about 5 billion live on these. There are fewer moon colonies. Moon colonies tended to lack the ability to be sustained outside of a broader interstellar economy, so most of these were abandoned or simply fell apart killing all involved. Most of the moon colonies that survived were those that had atmospheres, were protected from space debris, and either were sustainable on purely domestically or were lucky enough to be part of a broader network that survived the collapse of galactic interstellar governance. Closer to 30 billion on these. The vast majority of people live either on asteroid colonies, much less glamorous space stations, or on space ships. But these were really only sustainable with artificial gravity allowing for something approaching a third of earth's gravity or better. When over 95% of humanity's population ended (it was closer to 99%, but the numbers have recovered some) only about 20% of this can be linked directly to warfare. The rest was simply the incapacity to carry on once the system itself collapsed. There were plenty of perfectly safe and secure populations that simply ended when a lack of artificial gravity prevented the birth of new children, whereas others kept their habitats going as long as they could until vital parts broke and couldn't be replaced. Earth's gone, as are the vast majority of the really important worlds. There were a handful of critical planets that remained, and there were a few that were forgotten due to irrelevance when the wars were raging that are prime to become major nodes of future interstellar governance. As for the solar system, there are still some people living there, just not enough to be relevant - under 10 million. There's an Earth Reclamation project, but that's hundreds of years away from actually making that planet even remotely habitable. The key lesson to this is that war almost ended us, because while we achieved great things, it was built on something very fragile. The reemergence of interstellar governance actually has a debate tearing itself apart, and that's whether all of the world's that are rediscovered should be reincorporated, or if all of the worlds should be rediscovered. While they can help claw back humanity to the point where it may start to relive some of its former glory, many are keenly aware that while they can do a lot of good (particularly for those areas about to fail due to just barely being able to hold on), reestablishing the old structures may lead to a new conflict in the distant future that could finish the job that the Cradle Wars started. Cultural differences are going to abound. Ongsi Yabeibei is something of a cheat in how similar it is to what you might expect from an Earth colony., but its been nearly 1000 years or so since the world we lived in. Technology is able to hold societies together with strong continuity, but it can easily become unmoored and recreated into something unrecognizable in a relatively short amount of time. Mechanical enhancement and genetic tampering occurred, but there was a strong reluctance in pre-collapse society to encourage major changes. People were mostly people. While that as a general rule holds true, there is a not insubstantial amount that have become almost unrecognizable. They will show up soon enough. Best,
|
|
|
Post by chinuaneustadt on Oct 29, 2019 4:51:54 GMT
Name: Matete Rivieu Discovered: 2092 Explored: 2156 First Settlement: 2226 Affiliation During the Cradle Wars: None Last Contact with Interstellar Governance: 2632 Year of Rediscovery: 3102 Planetary Classification: Earth-like planet within the habitable zone Surface Temperature: 68 Degrees Fahrenheit, 20 Degrees Celsius Gravity at Planetary Sea Level: 9.45 m/s2 Population Estimate: 155 Million (0.86% of Planetary Humanity) Population Ranking: 27th Off Planet System Population: 30 Million Technological Level: 25th Century Interstellar Capacity: Limited Risk of Dangerous AI Proliferation: Limited Autonomous Robotics Capacity: Limited to moderate Governance Type: Planetary Governing Body Prevailing Cultures: French, Kikongo, Secondary Cultures: Bakongo, Ngala, Slovenian, Belgian Tertiary Culture: Sangha, Teke, Yoruba Language Estimate: Matete Rivieu Creole (French, Kikongo, and Bakongo) 92%, French 5%, Yoruba 1%, Other 2% Religious Estimate: Catholicism 34%, Local Abrahamic Variations 28%, Atheist/Irreligious 38% Degree of Secularity: High
History:
One of 4196 known planetary colonization projects originating from Earth prior to the Cradle Wars, Matete Rivieu is one of the most intact worlds to be examined during the 32nd century’s rediscovery efforts.
Early colonial efforts were the product of a joint French and Congolese mission. Intended to mark the entry of the united Congolese Republic onto the interstellar stage, Matate Rivieu was never intended to carry a strategic purpose in mind. Rather, its location was chosen in order to avoid conflict with other national, international, and corporate governance.
Situated far out of the way of major interstellar travel routes, substantial effort was made to ensure that the colony was self-sufficient. Manned travel was often more expensive than could be justified, and as a result there were difficulties in sending people to this planet. After the United Congolese Republic became more prominent, immigration dried up as other colonial efforts were established closer to the major power centers.
The United Congolese Republic divested ownership of the colony in the 24th century, defaulting to French control. The French maintained the colony for another century, and recognized complete local autonomy. Matate Rivieu’s governing body sought to attract further immigrants from Earth and other populous planets, but attracted only limited interest.
Declaring independence in the 25th century, the independent planetary system had difficulties maintaining economic viability. In 2587, Matate Rivieu agreed to partial federated status in under the South Nigerian Republic in order to maintain its deficit spending. A Lagos based firm invested nearly twice the planet’s domestic capital in an effort to update and modernize Matate Rivieu in 2603 in an effort to establish a forward presence. Their intent was to take advantage of the planet’s isolation to create a new hub of planetary colonization far from the heightened tensions that were rising in near-Earth systems.
The subsequent colonial efforts never took place, as shortly after the investment took place great power contention distracted the South Nigerian Republic, and a few decades later there would no longer be a South Nigerian Republic – or an Earth – to follow up on the endeavor.
Last contact with interstellar governance took place in 2632 when the West African Federation made territorial claims on all former South Nigerian interstellar possessions by right of conquest and cultural kinship. No serious attempt was made to establish control, and the West African Federation collapsed only a couple years later.
While far removed from any substantial military presence, Matate Rivieu was on the outer edge of some interstellar trade. Matate was able to maintain some limited interstellar capacity, though could not venture much farther than ten lightyears from their home system. Many of those in the system not native to it left to return home, but by 2683 almost no starships arrived or left Matate Rivieu controlled space.
The only notable exception occurred with the arrival in 2701 of a merchant fleet from a Slovenian entity which may, or may not, have been connected to the Central European Intelligence Bureau. With several ships badly damaged, some 70,000 Slovenian and mixed Central European seamen sought safe harbor in Matate Rivieu. Though very weakened, their presence easily doubled the amount of space assets available to the system, and posed a military threat if exacerbated.
The group was integrated into society, and adopted a privileged position for the better part of a century until they were largely adopted into the Creole society. Over time the interstellar capacity of the system gradually reduced, but some limited capacity remains to this day. Much of this infrastructure has been readapted from the Slovenians.
Some 30 additional million human beings live in orbit or neighboring systems on spaceships, colonies, and space stations. They have almost no offensive capacity, and minimal defensive capacity.
While the planet can support upwards of 1.5 billion people, after a population explosion in the 27th and 28th centuries, the population growth rate declined sharply to the point where now the planet is experiencing a population decline. Effort should be made to boost the fertility rate, but the federal government of the system has little to no interest in this effort.
The planetary governing body of Matate Rivieu is a presidential federal republic. An indirect democracy that operates primarily through a congressional body under the authority of a strong presidential figure, first contact was easy to establish following rediscovery. There has been moderate resistance to joining the interstellar governing body. A local referendum showed that this motion was defeated with 62% voting in favor of maintaining independence, though 89% voted in favor of stronger ties.
Local cultural conditions highlight a mixture of Napoleonic and 24th century United Congolese nostalgia, neoclassical and second age techno-modernism architecture spreading across the main populated zones.
There is a strong sense that society and civilization has reached its peak under their governance and that the Franco-Congolese culture represents the best that humanity has to offer. While there is a government based on lines of competence and merit, the cultural malaise has limited their ability to flourish, and to their detriment they maintain kernels of the worst habits of pre-collapse civilization.
|
|
stevep
Fleet admiral
Posts: 24,835
Likes: 13,224
|
Post by stevep on Oct 29, 2019 11:21:30 GMT
stevep , Thanks Steve! Yeah, this one is going to take a while to finish. Probably a couple years. There are some O'neill type colonies, but these were something akin to luxuries. You will find the majority of earth-like biodiversity in O'Neill cylinders, but there are under a hundred that are still in good condition. Maybe another 200 that are in a state of decline, with the rest wholly abandoned or scrapped for their parts. Probably about 5 billion live on these. There are fewer moon colonies. Moon colonies tended to lack the ability to be sustained outside of a broader interstellar economy, so most of these were abandoned or simply fell apart killing all involved. Most of the moon colonies that survived were those that had atmospheres, were protected from space debris, and either were sustainable on purely domestically or were lucky enough to be part of a broader network that survived the collapse of galactic interstellar governance. Closer to 30 billion on these. The vast majority of people live either on asteroid colonies, much less glamorous space stations, or on space ships. But these were really only sustainable with artificial gravity allowing for something approaching a third of earth's gravity or better. When over 95% of humanity's population ended (it was closer to 99%, but the numbers have recovered some) only about 20% of this can be linked directly to warfare. The rest was simply the incapacity to carry on once the system itself collapsed. There were plenty of perfectly safe and secure populations that simply ended when a lack of artificial gravity prevented the birth of new children, whereas others kept their habitats going as long as they could until vital parts broke and couldn't be replaced. Earth's gone, as are the vast majority of the really important worlds. There were a handful of critical planets that remained, and there were a few that were forgotten due to irrelevance when the wars were raging that are prime to become major nodes of future interstellar governance. As for the solar system, there are still some people living there, just not enough to be relevant - under 10 million. There's an Earth Reclamation project, but that's hundreds of years away from actually making that planet even remotely habitable. The key lesson to this is that war almost ended us, because while we achieved great things, it was built on something very fragile. The reemergence of interstellar governance actually has a debate tearing itself apart, and that's whether all of the world's that are rediscovered should be reincorporated, or if all of the worlds should be rediscovered. While they can help claw back humanity to the point where it may start to relive some of its former glory, many are keenly aware that while they can do a lot of good (particularly for those areas about to fail due to just barely being able to hold on), reestablishing the old structures may lead to a new conflict in the distant future that could finish the job that the Cradle Wars started. Cultural differences are going to abound. Ongsi Yabeibei is something of a cheat in how similar it is to what you might expect from an Earth colony., but its been nearly 1000 years or so since the world we lived in. Technology is able to hold societies together with strong continuity, but it can easily become unmoored and recreated into something unrecognizable in a relatively short amount of time. Mechanical enhancement and genetic tampering occurred, but there was a strong reluctance in pre-collapse society to encourage major changes. People were mostly people. While that as a general rule holds true, there is a not insubstantial amount that have become almost unrecognizable. They will show up soon enough. Best,
Ouch that was very nasty. Nearly total extinction. As you say the bulk of the deaths would be from the loss of the wider interstellar economy and trade leaving many areas unable to support themselves.
Its an important debate as to how to avoid a repeat of the Cradle Wars disaster but a lot would depend on how those came about. Possibly a more diffused federation largely based on trade and for member states attempts at some basic rules on government and basic rights. I don't think the re-emerging interstellar body can turn its back on the remnants they find but at least in some cases a more hands off approach would be necessary. Plus as history shows even friendly contact from a different and often technologically more advanced culture can be devastating.
Given that so much of surviving humanity live off planets or even large moons would they have that much interest in the planets rather than asteroids and artificial habitats? Unless this is partly considered because the 'spacers' need planets to provide say some longer term ecological viability? Possibly for historical romantic reasons there might be an attempt to rehabilitate Earth but, other than for humanitarian concerns to help planets on the verge of collapse aren't they more likely to concentrate of settlements in space? Especially since a lot of those people would find living on an actual planet very difficult for a variety of reasons.
I note for both planets there are references to both dangerous AI potential and Autonomous Robotics Capacity. Guessing that there have been some serious problems with powerful AI's in the past? Or attempts to establish AI controlled cultures like Neal Asher's Policy novels Iain Bank's Culture series possibly. Of course it could be that the new 'human' culture developing have already been taken over by AIs, albeit in a beneficial form, and this entry is because of the danger of running into powerful AIs that might challenge them.
By the sound of it Earth never achieved planetary unity itself, given the way assorted national groups were behind the two colonisation's we're heard about so far. As such the home system would have lacked unity itself so that could well be a factor in why it suffered so badly in the wars.
The other thing of course, further affected by how cheap/easy or not interstellar trade is, is how easy or not it would be for the new organisation to actually have the resources to help orphan worlds. Its going to be a huge task and unless they can get something in return by increasingly trade [ideally without descending into an imperial/colonial type relationship] its likely to be operating very much as a charity operation so will depend on how long the assorted taxpayers will support such an effort.
Anyway a few thoughts and looking forward to see how your universe develops.
Steve
|
|
|
Post by chinuaneustadt on Oct 30, 2019 5:51:13 GMT
stevep, Thanks Steve! Your comments helped put some things in focus for me, and have encouraged me to spill some more details I hadn't put to paper yet. The Cradle Wars came about because a lot of things went wrong at once, deterrence failed, lines of trust were entirely eroded, technology went amok, systems collapsed, and a general decline of most norms and mores when it became clear that things had fallen (or were falling) apart. For a crude metaphor, if its clear that your entire planet is being wiped out by nuclear winter and fallout even though most of your entire continent remained neutral, do you expect them all to team together and do what they can to best comfortably survive humanity's descent into eternal night, or do you expect them to take what they can to ensure that when the last light of humanity is snuffed out that it is yours and not your neighbor's? What happened here is that both choices were made millions of times spread across the galaxy. While in most cases it did not make a difference, there are some cases where it did. The interstellar government has a large amount of rules about how discovery and reincorporation are supposed to happen, but even in Ongsi Yabeibei (which, by the way, means Red Flower in the native Creole) the surface dwellers with minimal access to technology in the two more habitable regions of the planet would be nest of worms to approach, in a way that dealing with the more intact city states would not. A lot of the space assets are legacy, and a lot of those people living in space (about a half) no longer have the capacity to live on anything approaching Earth's gravity - which was a prime consideration in early colonial efforts. It is not so much that the planetary bodies are not really relevant, but that there's almost no ability for people adjusted to low gravity for hundreds of years to return to the surface. This is made worse by their dependence upon planetary bodies for their existence on an existential level. While by now most of those that remain in space are largely sustainable in space, the general direction would be a decline and eventual end of humanity if it remains wholly among the stars. Take the expensive O'neill space stations, there were never many of them, and unless there's a planet to try to make a new one, their numbers will just continue to fade with time. That doesn't take away the ideas you put forward though. There are pressures to move into space. So even if everyone could resettle on a planet without much difficulty (and there is a problem of capacity among the interstellar government's worlds), the vast majority of the population would still be in space. Oh yeah. AI systems went wrong in a number of different ways, so the interstellar government is very careful with how it approaches this issue. Still working out how this will all fit together though. Never read Neal Asher or Iain Bank's books before, so I'm not sure. Maybe? Its funny you should bring up the new interstellar government being under AI control. I mentioned earlier that it is not as it appears, though it is benevolently inclined. AI does have a role to play in that, but its not in a controlling capacity. As for the disunity of Earth, that was never really a problem so long as it was the core of human civilization. Economic integration and globalization basically fused the planet together once triage and technological forces reconciled and leveled off the different levels of Earthbound economies. The number of countries increased to over 400 before problems started to emerge. When the relative power and population of assets off world began to dramatically outweigh Earth's, competition over them had fundamental consequences for Earth. This competition led to increased military capacity, and soon fait accomplis were recognized legal practice. If you took over a barely populated system, it was yours. At first states had to compensate, and there were gentile restrictions for interacting with local groups, but the practice went from happening only a handful of times when first introduced in largely bloodless affairs, to common, bloody business. When the Cradle Wars started to take place, that practice was occurring on the most prosperous worlds, including Earth. Right before the Earth was made uninhabitable it was under a single government that was the last local player (which had a capital based in Jakarta) standing before one of the recent losers decided to spoil their prize. This is what the practice of the Right By Conquest referenced. While I say the Cradle Wars were a lot of things going wrong at once, the above was probably one of the most important reasons. Interstellar travel's cost grows exponentially depending on the type of travel you desire, and there is an infrastructure component that makes range bounded. The ability to reach every part of the galaxy does exist, with only the interstellar government possessing this ability in any great capacity, but they will almost never use this because of how hard it is. If it helps, here's the classification system for these worlds and what they mean. No interstellar capacity: The planetary body may be able to reach a local moon or a nearby planet, but is at best only about four times better than we have now. Minimal interstellar capacity: You can reach the outer edge of the star system, and can travel the distance of one light year in five years. Limited interstellar capacity: You can reach about a 20 light years within a year of travel. Moderate interstellar capacity: You can reach 100 light years within a year. High interstellar capacity: You can reach 2000 light years within a year. Advanced interstellar capacity: You can reach 10000 light years within a year. Most Advanced interstellar capacity: You can reach 200,000 within a year. The first two are bound by physics as we understand it, whereas the rest are varying capacities of warp and warp stabilization. Jump and hyperspace travel are possible, but are also considerably less safe.
|
|
stevep
Fleet admiral
Posts: 24,835
Likes: 13,224
|
Post by stevep on Oct 30, 2019 18:36:32 GMT
stevep , Thanks Steve! Your comments helped put some things in focus for me, and have encouraged me to spill some more details I hadn't put to paper yet. The Cradle Wars came about because a lot of things went wrong at once, deterrence failed, lines of trust were entirely eroded, technology went amok, systems collapsed, and a general decline of most norms and mores when it became clear that things had fallen (or were falling) apart. For a crude metaphor, if its clear that your entire planet is being wiped out by nuclear winter and fallout even though most of your entire continent remained neutral, do you expect them all to team together and do what they can to best comfortably survive humanity's descent into eternal night, or do you expect them to take what they can to ensure that when the last light of humanity is snuffed out that it is yours and not your neighbor's? What happened here is that both choices were made millions of times spread across the galaxy. While in most cases it did not make a difference, there are some cases where it did. The interstellar government has a large amount of rules about how discovery and reincorporation are supposed to happen, but even in Ongsi Yabeibei (which, by the way, means Red Flower in the native Creole) the surface dwellers with minimal access to technology in the two more habitable regions of the planet would be nest of worms to approach, in a way that dealing with the more intact city states would not. A lot of the space assets are legacy, and a lot of those people living in space (about a half) no longer have the capacity to live on anything approaching Earth's gravity - which was a prime consideration in early colonial efforts. It is not so much that the planetary bodies are not really relevant, but that there's almost no ability for people adjusted to low gravity for hundreds of years to return to the surface. This is made worse by their dependence upon planetary bodies for their existence on an existential level. While by now most of those that remain in space are largely sustainable in space, the general direction would be a decline and eventual end of humanity if it remains wholly among the stars. Take the expensive O'neill space stations, there were never many of them, and unless there's a planet to try to make a new one, their numbers will just continue to fade with time. That doesn't take away the ideas you put forward though. There are pressures to move into space. So even if everyone could resettle on a planet without much difficulty (and there is a problem of capacity among the interstellar government's worlds), the vast majority of the population would still be in space. Oh yeah. AI systems went wrong in a number of different ways, so the interstellar government is very careful with how it approaches this issue. Still working out how this will all fit together though. Never read Neal Asher or Iain Bank's books before, so I'm not sure. Maybe? Its funny you should bring up the new interstellar government being under AI control. I mentioned earlier that it is not as it appears, though it is benevolently inclined. AI does have a role to play in that, but its not in a controlling capacity. As for the disunity of Earth, that was never really a problem so long as it was the core of human civilization. Economic integration and globalization basically fused the planet together once triage and technological forces reconciled and leveled off the different levels of Earthbound economies. The number of countries increased to over 400 before problems started to emerge. When the relative power and population of assets off world began to dramatically outweigh Earth's, competition over them had fundamental consequences for Earth. This competition led to increased military capacity, and soon fait accomplis were recognized legal practice. If you took over a barely populated system, it was yours. At first states had to compensate, and there were gentile restrictions for interacting with local groups, but the practice went from happening only a handful of times when first introduced in largely bloodless affairs, to common, bloody business. When the Cradle Wars started to take place, that practice was occurring on the most prosperous worlds, including Earth. Right before the Earth was made uninhabitable it was under a single government that was the last local player (which had a capital based in Jakarta) standing before one of the recent losers decided to spoil their prize. This is what the practice of the Right By Conquest referenced. While I say the Cradle Wars were a lot of things going wrong at once, the above was probably one of the most important reasons. Interstellar travel's cost grows exponentially depending on the type of travel you desire, and there is an infrastructure component that makes range bounded. The ability to reach every part of the galaxy does exist, with only the interstellar government possessing this ability in any great capacity, but they will almost never use this because of how hard it is. If it helps, here's the classification system for these worlds and what they mean. No interstellar capacity: The planetary body may be able to reach a local moon or a nearby planet, but is at best only about four times better than we have now. Minimal interstellar capacity: You can reach the outer edge of the star system, and can travel the distance of one light year in five years. Limited interstellar capacity: You can reach about a 20 light years within a year of travel. Moderate interstellar capacity: You can reach 100 light years within a year. High interstellar capacity: You can reach 2000 light years within a year. Advanced interstellar capacity: You can reach 10000 light years within a year. Most Advanced interstellar capacity: You can reach 200,000 within a year. The first two are bound by physics as we understand it, whereas the rest are varying capacities of warp and warp stabilization. Jump and hyperspace travel are possible, but are also considerably less safe.
Many thanks for the detailed information.
In both Bank's and Asher's series most of humanity is under a single government known respectively as the Culture and the Policy but with a fair number of powerful AIs also heavily involved. Haven't read any Culture books for a while now and Banks unfortunately died a few years back so there won't be any more. However with Asher's universe the Policy is basically ruled by benevolent AIs who took over a few centuries back because they found human rule too destructive and incompetent. [Albeit that there is some abuse as shown in one of his more recent novels]. There are a wide range of human types including those physically and mentally boosted in a number of ways. Also there are some alien races and a number of rogue AIs who have caused a lot of problems as well as an influence of an ancient race, the Jain who were wiped out by their own technology a few million years back and that same technology has also destroyed a number of races since. Hence many of the stories involve the problems with either AIs ir attempts to prevent Jain technology running rampant somewhere.
As you might have gathered I like the series a lot and would recommend them if you get the chance. Some of what you said reminded of the series hence the reference.
I had expected that a lot of the spacers would be unable to adjust to life on Earth type planets, due to gravity and other reasons. When you say that their longer term existence depends on planetary civilisations would that be in terms of you need something that large for a stable ecosystem in the longer term? A bit surprised that places like O'Neill's would need planetary support for constructing new ones as that would mean a lot of stuff having to come up from a fairly deep gravity well. [Basically O'Neill's became popular as an idea when I was in my late teens so their the sort of things I'm more familiar with and the plan at the time, at least for ones near Earth would be to get construction material from Luna - much smaller gravity well and no atmosphere so it was thought they would be suitable for accelorators to fling that material into orbit and then have it assembled there. If operating further from a planet I would have thought the best source would be asteroid type material.
Can easily see a lot of legacy ships and bases which were created before the collapse of the old civilisation and now starting to get rather elderly and fragile which is likely to be a problem.
Thinking of problems with planetary gravity did anywhere build a space elevator or is it still beyond the technology of the civilisation? I suspect if any were built they probably were high priority targets in the conflicts but any such would be a big boost to any planetary body with it.
|
|
|
Post by chinuaneustadt on Jan 21, 2020 14:39:07 GMT
Beyond the Cradle: A Primer on the Galaxy – AstralPolitics The known galaxy is a catch-all phrase for the limited extent of knowledge currently possessed by the interstellar government which represents the largest chunk of space-faring human civilization. This includes most of the knowledge that has been stitched together from the surviving colonies, states, and fleets that survived the centuries that followed the Cradle Wars, alongside knowledge gathered since the formation of the interstellar government. However, as there are several other actors in the galaxy, knowledge on them varies. Some of those actors are almost completely unknown, outside of minor altercations. A lot of the information from prior to the Cradle Wars is vital for stitching together a starting point to rebuild, but there are clear limits to this knowledge.
Almost none of the most advanced factions that existed prior to the start of the Cradle Wars continue to exist today in a recognizable form. Many shattered remnants of them are around in the galaxy, but this should not be taken too far. The name becomes a misnomer, rarely reflecting the legacy of the actor. Like Trebizond claiming to be the Roman Empire (though sometimes it is more tenuous, so it is like the HRE, Russia, or the Vatican making such a claim.) A clear example of this would be the South German Directorate. At one point they were the seventeenth richest and the twenty-sixth most militarily capable faction in the known galaxy.
Once sole owner of four planets, partial owner of eleven more, and with a population approaching 25 billion people, the South German Directorate still technically exists. To be precise, there are at least five groups claiming to be the South German Directorate, but even counting all of them together they barely make up 100 million people, and no longer possess any planetary assets. Their main bases of operations are a moon, three asteroid groupings, and a space station, and each claims the right of absolute authority as the South German Directorate. One of them, the space station, was in terminal decline and was perhaps a few decades away from being unlivable before the interstellar government intervened.
This is commonplace. If the only thing one cared about was names, then virtually all of the actors involved in the Cradle Wars survive. But how can this be possible given that over 98% of humanity died? Clearly, names and claims to former status cannot be used as an accurate means to determine the survivors. Nor can it be used to describe current existing players on the galactic stage. The South German Directorate fragments would not appear on anything other than a local survey map. No, different standards are held.
There are about 233 billion human beings living in the known galaxy. The real number of human beings is almost certainly larger, though none but the most imaginative would suggest that the number is greater than 275 billion. The interstellar government has a massive plurality of those numbers: 158 billion people live under the authority of the interstellar government. This number is inflated, as the interstellar government claims authority over all planets that are rediscovered by them and which are not under the authority of another recognized group. Without a high interstellar capacity, and without a powerful navy, most small actors are automatically considered under their protection.
The interstellar government practices a noninterference policy with any group that still claims independence. The South German Directorate fragments would thus be placed under the interstellar government’s umbrella, but for all intents and purposes those fragments are autonomous governments. The purpose for this is a mixture of aspiration and defense. The stated objective of the interstellar government is complete reintroduction of all humans under their authority, and for the most part few of the actors object to the interstellar government claiming control over the space around them, so long as they do nothing to harm or interfere with them, and continue to give them aid and assistance that is often vitally necessary for maintaining their societies.
This means that although 158 billion are under their authority, the number of active participants within that faction are fewer. 94 billion human beings are a part of the interstellar government directly, of which 32 billion were reintegrated into the interstellar government within the last century. That is, since the year 3016. Much of this integration was with neighboring human groups that had maintained themselves since the collapse and were in contact with the interstellar government, as this is how the interstellar government slowly started to grow since its founding in 2782. What was new is that 11 billion of those were from previously lost human groups, as many of them had been contacted and zealously investigated and incorporated depending on their local conditions since 3091.
While the interstellar government now has the mission of being the governing body of all humanity, it was originally established as a defensive alliance structure and self-contained economic unit based around a series of mostly Latin American colonial efforts which had managed to delicately avoid any involvement in the Cradle Wars. Though initially quite small, as many fleets left the warzones, safe harbor could be found within their borders under certain conditions. The location of many of their assets were kept hidden, so few losses occurred during the Cradle Wars.
It was a very common practice for orphaned navies to conquer local actors or retreat to colonies, and in the process discover those colonies destroyed or end up destroying the local groups they wished to dominate. In the interstellar government, orphaned navies were not usually powerful enough to wage war against them. Most left, while several were incorporated into the government’s preexisting fleets. The original government was thus hypermilitarized, and nearly collapsed during a series of mutinies, but through a series of events and good fortune, it mostly held together. Most actors in similar situations did not. Long after the Cradle Wars in the center of the galaxy finished, new wars were kindling on its edges. The interstellar government was, in this way, the single most fortunate actor in all of the galaxy. It was not the only one, however.
There are twelve other interstellar governments recognized by the interstellar government. Seven of them are like the interstellar government. These were actors on the periphery of the galactic economy, their survival was the result of a mixture of luck, the personality of their leaders, the endowments of their colonies and governments, and their ability to integrate mass refugee and military assets floating into their systems. Four emerged from the conflict wholesale as the “victors” of the Cradle Wars. Unlike the South German Directorate, there is weight to their claim to being a survivor, and even a winner, of the Cradle Wars. The last actor is the Pacific Alliance, which turned its back on the galaxy early into the Cradle Wars after the destruction of Earth. Located in the Large Magellanic Cloud, the Pacific Alliance broke away from most of humanity a few decades prior to the Cradle Wars.
The interstellar government knows and is on cordial terms with eight of these actors, is at war with two of them, is in negotiations to integrate one of the actors into itself, and has only strained relations with another. The wars are not existential, and appear to be over territorial boundaries. The interstellar government possesses a major power asymmetry over each actor, and none of them wish to escalate.
The first of the actors the interstellar government is at war with is the Niqabat, and the war is over a claim over the Niqabat’s former homeworld, Rahat Alnabii. One of the “victors” of the Cradle Wars, the Niqabat is an interstellar government representing at least 11 billion people. Joining in the middle of the Cradle Wars, the Niqabat were originally a collection of Arab or mixed Arab colonial efforts less than 3000 lightyears from Earth. Mostly neutral, the Niqabat was a collective defense union that emerged after the fighting started. However, as several of its faction members were attacked, and two of its planets destroyed, the Niqabat entered into the wars. Originally trying to attack only those who attacked them, gradually it became a war of all against all. Most of their core territories would be wiped out, but while others vanished into nothing or became orphaned fleets, the Niqabat held to some of their territories. Greatly weakened, and near collapse, the Niqabat spent all of their energy recovering and trying to invest in something other than war.
This ended when the interstellar government began reincorporating many territories that were abandoned during the cradle wars. Rahat Alnabii became part of the interstellar government’s territory. There were minimal flags raised over the incident at the time as Niqabat was far too weak to do anything to stop it, and feared another conflict. The Niqabat recovered, and eventually began to force some of their border claims with the interstellar government. The interstellar government surrendered some of the territory, but not all of it. Several locations had a few pockets of survivors, and many were incorporated into the governing structure. When it came to Rahat Alnabii, while the world itself is mostly ruined, neighboring systems possessed some who became part of the government. As such, the interstellar government would not back down. Niqabat and the interstellar government have been engaged in small naval battles, and diplomatic contact was largely cut off in 3104, and the war is ongoing in 3116.
The second actor the interstellar government is at war with is another victor of the Cradle Wars. The United Congolese Directorate is home to 3 at least billion people. Not an active participant in the early Cradle Wars, the United Congolese Directorate was established after Earth and several other of the Congolese Republic’s main assets were taken from them or destroyed. Independent Congolese projects, originally established on the far periphery, such as with Matete Rivieu, were pushed closer to the center of galactic trade and power. At one point the fourth most powerful faction in the galaxy, there were several other locations that the Congolese government could flee to or reestablish itself. The Kalwezi System became its new home.
The United Congolese Directorate entered the Cradle Wars earliest of the four “victors.” It entered into hostilities and continued to contend for control over Earth long after the last government on that planet had fallen and its atmosphere became irradiated and destroyed. It was also still actively at war with another surviving power, right up until the establishment of direct political ties with the interstellar government. The reason for the Directorate’s survival is also tied into its currently conflict with the interstellar government. The directorate holds the largest number of known shipyards in galaxy, and their production and operation are largely autonomous with extensive AI integration. The directorate’s fleets often have few sailors. While their enemies attacked their population centers extensively, their war capacity was not substantially damaged. The directorate is a technocratic military dictatorship, and has been ever since the republican and democratic leadership was eradicated during the Cradle Wars by enemy forces.
The United Congolese Directorate desires to regain control over all territories that were once under the United Congolese Republic, and it is here where war between the interstellar government and them first began. Some of the earliest factions to be integrated into the interstellar government were of part-Congolese origin, and many of the planets discovered – a disproportionate number – are at least partially Congolese. Almost none of them desire to leave the interstellar government, and its not clear that the interstellar government would tolerate secession to a clearly militaristic actor that is so dangerously bound to potentially ruinous technologies. Though the interstellar government could destroy the United Congolese Directorate should the conflict turn existential, it is clear that the Kalwezi system and its military leadership is aware of this and deliberately refrains from taking action that would draw too extensive a backlash.
Rather, they appear to be trying to make up for their relatively weak size, and are trying to expand elsewhere. While they have a greater capacity for war, they are limited in size and scope, and surrounded by neighbors that have no love for them. Some within the directorate advocate a ceasefire so that they may go after a weaker neighbor to gain more resources and population to go to war with the interstellar government on more even footing. Of all the actors in the known galaxy, the United Congolese Directorate is considered the greatest danger to peace. It also, perhaps strangely, represents the third most likely candidate to restore intergalactic government.
The other two “victors” of the cradle wars are the Gaborite Federation and the Faridabad Sandhi. The Gaborite Federation is a collection of Northwest European, Southern African, and other systems. Its original structure was a corporation based in Botswana’s capital, and represented one of the largest private transportation and trading consortiums in human history. When intergalactic governance fell apart, the Gaborites grew in power and began actively participating in the war rather late. No more than a middling power during the Cradle Wars, it was able to survive due to a mixture of luck and monopoly over certain transit routes and infrastructure. Once everything collapsed, however, even mediocre power and projection becomes incredibly valuable either to possess or to deny others the ability to possess, and they got involved after numerous attacks. The Gaborite Federation transitioned from a company to a democratic government as it incorporated additional territories and the economy fell apart, forcing it to rely on alternative methods of incentivization other than money. Now at least 4.5 billion people call it home, and have been fostering very close ties to the interstellar government. They are, at the moment, discussing in depth how to best integrate.
The Faridabad Sandhi is the thirteenth successor government to what used to be called the Republic of India. It is home to at least 6.5 billion people, and demographically includes more people from Bangladesh and Southeast Asia than from India. While powerful, the Sandhi are very divided. As each of their governments collapsed, and much of their population died off or were killed, while new population centers were added by the fortunes of war, India lost much of its ability to maintain centralized control. The Faridabad Sandhi is perhaps more accurately a collection of some hundred factions, of which four hold the most power. It is perhaps because of this disunity and weakness, alongside their proximity to the United Congolese Directorate, that even as the Cradle Wars died down as there were no longer anyone left to shoot, few governments left to obey, and almost no worlds left that were not monuments to the dead and dying, even then the Faridabad Sandhi still became victim to a war with the Congolese. This war was bloody and expensive. The Congolese had substantial difficulties. However, it was clear by the point of contact with the expanding interstellar government that the Sandhi were perhaps fifty to a hundred years away from being completely defeated and likely incorporated. The Sandhi received a reprieve when the Congolese started fighting the interstellar government instead, and were able to get away with relatively few losses.
The seven interstellar governments that formed similar to the universal interstellar government are: the Kalyma Republic, the Orel Union, the Brotherhood, the American Confederation, the Huai Communes, The Biafran Unity, and the Osaka-Lucena Empire. Each of these states emerged around a small core of worlds that formed a largely isolated economic bloc on the periphery of the interstellar economy. Rather than collapse in on themselves, or engage in continual war until their destruction, many attempted to cut themselves off from the fighting and focus on internal self-strengthening. Combined these seven entities hold at least 45 billion people.
The Kalyma Republic is located around the 210 line of Galactic Longitude, and includes parts of the Canis Major dwarf galaxy. It possesses a population of at least 7 billion, and was originally a remote network of colonial systems set up and established under the coordination of both the Eurasian Federation and the Shanghai Group. The Republic is largely Chinese in population and character, but there are extensive Russian legacy influences. Largely left alone after the collapse of galactic civilization, a defensive arrangement between most of the local actors was formed. After a series of small wars with orphan fleets, and a growing population of refugees, the leaders of all of the major worlds and systems got together to discuss what was to be done, where they were promptly all killed in a military coup. This coup was short lived, and an admiral from the Kalyma system overthrew the dictatorship and restored democratic government – though not fragmented democratic government. What emerged was an oligarchic democratic federation that soon reached the local dwarf galaxy and started incorporating local territories and neighboring systems. Contact with the interstellar government was cordial, but Kalyma made it clear they have no intention of joining the interstellar government in the foreseeable future.
The Orel Union is located on the opposite side of the galaxy, and like Kalyma has a small intergalactic presence in the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy. Unlike Kalyma, however, this system was far more patchwork and has a very limited core structural identity. Far from the galactic center of trade and power, the planetary systems that would make up Orel were mostly outposts, research centers, and vanity colonial projects. The immense distance meant that the ships and infrastructure in the region were very powerful and capable of traveling long distances. The Orel Union emerged as a uniform state only after a series of consolidatory wars in collaborating between the local Central European naval forces teamed up with a massive orphan fleet from the Siberian Federation. Combined, their strength was enough to intimidate into consolidating much of the neighboring sector. A few resisted, but to limited effect. Militaristic and technocratic, the Orel Union is among the least known factions in the known galaxy due to distance and expense, but it is believed they have at least 2 billion people under their jurisdiction.
The brotherhood emerged from a series of religious organizations, mostly Christian, that had set out to be removed from the galactic center. It was a religious movement that tried to take direct inspiration from Saint Augustine and other religious figures. Originally referred to as the Brotherhood of All Believers, or the Holy See, this did not last very long into the Cradle Wars. While largely isolated and separate in character to the rest of the galaxy, their ability to collectively defend was limited, and few of the groups were able to effectively coordinate with one another. As orphaned fleets made their incursions, many collapsed and the general chaos of the outside galaxy nearly caused the region to implode. Fearing their potential extinction, and many began calling for religious war and unity governments. A crusading framework was adopted, and was initially successful. However, massive refugee flows and the mixing of different sectarian groups would, within a few decades, help spark a secular humanist movement within the group, eventually leading to a civil war. Religiously minded factions vs. the humanist group. Though very bloody business, the secular group was able to obtain control with relatively small whole-sale destruction. In part, this was due to the religiously minded factions failing to cohesively unify due to sectarian fears. The largest of the groups, the Catholics, were thus the hardest to put down, and resulted in the most lives lost. Today, the brotherhood has at least 7 billion people under its authority.
The American Confederation is a loose collective of several major factions that pulled together in a relatively unimportant part of space. Though called the American Confederation, and its government contains a lot of United States symbolism, its demography is more Canadian, Brazilian, Romanian, and Australian. Their interaction with the cradle wars was substantially more involved than many of the other factions, and the region suffered repeated waves of orphaned fleets. Their relative proximity to the group that would lead to the interstellar government meant that those orphaned fleets unwilling to surrender themselves to their conditions could find an easier target in the Confederation. The bombardment of planets and repeated incursions has made the American Confederation an entity mostly of ships, with minimal people living on planetary bodies. The capital is a world cylinder of enormous size called the Brunswick. There are at least 4 billion living under the American Confederation’s authority, though its territory is among the most sparsely populated of the other powers.
The Huai Communes is one of the rare examples of a successful interstellar revolutionary wave that was not immediately destroyed during or after the Cradle Wars. The mechanisms through which violent political revolution designed to overturn economic structures take place are often not very conducive to the establishment of planetary, let alone interstellar, states. Most of these movements of sufficient scale collapsed in on themselves. While the interstellar government is aware of dozens of similar groups, only the Huai were able to establish itself and maintain itself during and after the Cradle Wars without falling apart. This may have to do with the highly decentralized nature of the collectivization efforts, the heavy reliance upon AI and autonomous robotics, and the relative close proximity of its major populated sectors. The population of the Huai communes were based largely on Chinese, Vietnamese, Indonesian, and Ugandan population centers. Numerous waves of refugees and orphaned fleets resulted in periodic instances of disarray, particularly as the Huai Communes had immense difficulty waging organized warfare against highly advanced naval fleets. As time moved on their number and frequency diminished, and the Huai grew better as commanders. They have authority over at least 6 billion people.
The Biafran Unity is unique in that it is largely demographically homogeneous, and within its major worlds there are almost no creole cultures that the interstellar government is aware of. The Biafran Unity was initially established as a separatist colonial faction, whereby the South Nigerian Republic could reduce native pressure for the creation of a Biafran State. By exporting large numbers of their Biafran demographic far into remote areas of interstellar governance, the South Nigerian Republic could satisfy its local political situation. Movement to the far-flung reaches was not often voluntary, and the South Nigerian Republic was far from unique in this practice. The result, however, was that when the Cradle Wars came, the Biafran colonists were far removed from any danger. In their isolation, the Biafran colonies grew together and collectively organized for defensive, economic, and governing purposes. While there were at least forty-five orphaned fleets and numerous waves of refugees, the Biafrans were well situated to deal with them, suffering very little setbacks in the process. Home to at least six billion people, the Biafran Unity stresses the need to be one homogeneous people, and looks back at its long history of struggling for independence as a marker of national identity.
The Osaka-Lucena Empire is the largest faction outside of the interstellar government. Home to at least 13 billion people, and located far from the locus of both old and new interstellar governance, the Osaka-Lucena Empire is based on the cultivation of a deliberately created creole culture based around six major base populations, which are Japanese, Filipino, Iranian, German, Italian, and Indonesian. There are at least twenty major subdivisions, most of which are often grouped and created other creoles. The governing structure is that of an executive monarchy led by an emperor that lays claim to both the Japanese imperial line, as well as descent from the Prophet Mohammad through a matrilineal line. There are four legislative bodies with many subdivisions representing direct, indirect, and appointed forms of democracy. While there is a large autonomous robot capacity, the Osaka-Lucena Empire has banned and has harsh punishments associated with complex, integrated forms of AI.
The Pacific Pact, stationed in the Large Magellanic Cloud, is the least understood of all of the remaining human factions. Deeply isolationist, the Pacific Pact was established by the movement of a large number of governments, military, and scientific personnel outside of the galaxy starting from the 25th century, when it became clear to several national governing units that a large intergalactic war was likely. Other attempts to do so occurred, but they did not run far enough away, or make adequate provisions to reestablish interstellar governance. This attempt succeeded. The Pact claims to represent the Northern United States of America, the Republic of China, the Republic of Chile, and several other nations from the old earth, but made it clear that they no longer have any claim to any territory in the milky way galaxy. Outside of a few periodic naval contacts, mostly with the interstellar government, the Pacific Pact has no desire forge closer ties with the rest of humanity. Convinced that its only a matter of time before the Cradle Wars repeat themselves, they wish to forge a new path far removed from the interference of others. The interstellar government possesses only a limited capacity to reach the Large Magallanic Cloud, and so has visited it only fourteen times. The impression they provided was that of a large, technologically advanced actor, but it was clear that these visits were carefully curated and monitored. No solid forms of information is known about them, but they are believed to have at least 5 billion people under their jurisdiction. While many would like to know more about it, and some within the interstellar government view the Pacific Pact as a major threat precisely because of what they do not know or understand, for many others it is only a secondary concern compared to local actors and the struggle of reestablishing broad interstellar governance and reunifying humanity.
|
|
stevep
Fleet admiral
Posts: 24,835
Likes: 13,224
|
Post by stevep on Jan 21, 2020 15:45:03 GMT
chinuaneustadt ,
Fascinating new post and shows how widespread humanity has become and how varied as well. Like the way that some units, such as the South German Directorate which not only has no real connection with its original source and has multiple claimants to the title. Quite possible that there's other, probably much smaller communities that are still hidden out there, many probably keeping as low a profile as possible because they fear the Cradle Wars are still going on or could resume.
Steve
|
|
|
Post by chinuaneustadt on Jan 23, 2020 6:35:14 GMT
chinuaneustadt , Fascinating new post and shows how widespread humanity has become and how varied as well. Like the way that some units, such as the South German Directorate which not only has no real connection with its original source and has multiple claimants to the title. Quite possible that there's other, probably much smaller communities that are still hidden out there, many probably keeping as low a profile as possible because they fear the Cradle Wars are still going on or could resume. Steve
Thanks stevep ! That's definitely possible, and you may see a couple of them. The galaxy's a big place, and humanity was numerous and widely distributed. Odds are there won't be any that have a population over a billion, at least at this date. Looks like I didn't respond to your last comment: Many thanks for the detailed information.
In both Bank's and Asher's series most of humanity is under a single government known respectively as the Culture and the Policy but with a fair number of powerful AIs also heavily involved. Haven't read any Culture books for a while now and Banks unfortunately died a few years back so there won't be any more. However with Asher's universe the Policy is basically ruled by benevolent AIs who took over a few centuries back because they found human rule too destructive and incompetent. [Albeit that there is some abuse as shown in one of his more recent novels]. There are a wide range of human types including those physically and mentally boosted in a number of ways. Also there are some alien races and a number of rogue AIs who have caused a lot of problems as well as an influence of an ancient race, the Jain who were wiped out by their own technology a few million years back and that same technology has also destroyed a number of races since. Hence many of the stories involve the problems with either AIs ir attempts to prevent Jain technology running rampant somewhere. As you might have gathered I like the series a lot and would recommend them if you get the chance. Some of what you said reminded of the series hence the reference. Sounds like a good series to give a read. There are a few AIs out there running amok, and there are even a handful of autonomous robotic actors, but nothing originating from an alien civilization that's still active. There are a couple of sapient alien species out there, and I'm still undecided how I feel about older alien civilizations (dead or dying) out there, but odds are this will be pretty different from there. I'll need to give it a look some time though, might be a good idea to see how some of these ideas work out with an accomplished writer at the helm. I had expected that a lot of the spacers would be unable to adjust to life on Earth type planets, due to gravity and other reasons. When you say that their longer term existence depends on planetary civilisations would that be in terms of you need something that large for a stable ecosystem in the longer term? A bit surprised that places like O'Neill's would need planetary support for constructing new ones as that would mean a lot of stuff having to come up from a fairly deep gravity well. [Basically O'Neill's became popular as an idea when I was in my late teens so their the sort of things I'm more familiar with and the plan at the time, at least for ones near Earth would be to get construction material from Luna - much smaller gravity well and no atmosphere so it was thought they would be suitable for accelorators to fling that material into orbit and then have it assembled there. If operating further from a planet I would have thought the best source would be asteroid type material. Can easily see a lot of legacy ships and bases which were created before the collapse of the old civilisation and now starting to get rather elderly and fragile which is likely to be a problem. I have a lot of ideas about how the ecosystems in this timeline would work. While a few were carefully constructed to mirror the complexity of earth-like ecosystems, almost none of the surviving planetary bodies have those in a finished form. There are some planets that have a lot of CRISPR monstrosities made in the image of fantasy and long dead creatures, and there are some that are almost identical to simple earth environments, but getting everything necessary to catch on an alien world, or even in a controlled environment like a spaceship is difficult. Small things go wrong, and large problems emerge. Most space assets continue to live in environments that resemble industrial farms more than an actual ecosystem, and because of the difficulties in producing redundancies, small problems can wipe out vitally necessary food stores. Those that have the ability to introduce random genetic changes to artificially expand the diversity of their genomes is necessary for those groups who have breeding populations for animals and plant life whose population diversity is too small for them to carry on naturally - or as naturally as can be done on their own - whereas others need to import them either from larger stations or from planets and some moons. Bare subsistence is usually possible under a few planty-starchy pastes that more resemble algae than their genetic forefathers for most people out there, but it turns out that keeping the ships alive and the people alive is far simpler than keeping a supporting ecosystem alive. Which leads us to the O'Neill's. A lot of them are better prepared to last, but most of them are not well suited to dramatic changes. A lot of the technology they use are difficult to replace, its harder to conduct scientific and productive research on many of those that are around, and when it comes to building new ones there are limits to the concentration of capital and people. Don't get me wrong, they are among the best places, but they need to be connected to broader economic structures to engage in the type of activities necessary to build a new O'Neill type station without disrupting all of the necessary tasks for their current one. There's also the pesky conservation of matter, which means that for some things is just very difficult to create the things necessary for an O'Neill structure to be built from within an O'Neill structure. Supporting fleets are necessary for most of it, but there's also a reliance on planetary bodies both for people and for difficult to obtain things. A lot of the ecosystems are biological disasters, capable of persisting only with a lot of effort, but a few are settling into patterns. For a lot of reasons its just easier to expand resources and population centers on a planet or moon. Space stations and large vessels may have a large capacity, but there's limited ability to grow, and far more limited ability to expand with large industrial products like the O'Neill's. This difficulty is compounded by many of the ships already out there being in poor shape. Some lasted for centuries on the equivalent of duck tape and luck. While it is theoretically possible for O'Neill's and other components of space faring civilization to carry on without a planet or moon in sight and expand ad infinitum, we're not there yet. While most of the galaxy doesn't need them for much, they are still play a necessary function for long-term humanity. Thinking of problems with planetary gravity did anywhere build a space elevator or is it still beyond the technology of the civilisation? I suspect if any were built they probably were high priority targets in the conflicts but any such would be a big boost to any planetary body with it.
Earth and a few other worlds had them, but none are around now. There are four planets where building one might make sense, and one of those where it would make a lot of sense, but there aren't any plans for them. If anything, the interstellar government would discourage their creation as it would act as a concentrating force for economic power in one of their systems. One of the big lessons they learned was that the collapse was partially due to a strong economic and population center losing importance and gaining rivals. Better for some of their richest worlds to suffer a bit and encourage net migration out of them, than to enable their growth in order to set up a future conflict. The only exception would be for some particularly necessary thing that requires extensive harvesting, but I've got no McGuffin Element X to work with that would be rarified to justify that here.
|
|
stevep
Fleet admiral
Posts: 24,835
Likes: 13,224
|
Post by stevep on Jan 23, 2020 10:02:29 GMT
chinuaneustadt , Thanks for the reply and detailed response to my previous posts. Good summary of the problems and the real need for a mixture of ground and space based facilities for a stable system. The Cradle Wars are a lasting shock to humanity but I think in the longer term the interstellar government may be making a mistake if it tries to hold some of its world's back from developing. Not only does it reduce its own strength but it will cause resentment among the affected communities. However that is probably seen as a longer term problem by the government for the moment.
Your comment makes me think about a story, the 2nd in a series, I read a couple of months back. [Wish I could remember the damned name but several other books in the series to come.] One of the central characters is a genetic scientist on Ganymede I think it was which is a vital base for the population of the outer planets - who are a weaker but important 3rd player in a Solar System dominated by Earth and Mars. As the result of the impacts of the introduction of an alien life-form and the attempts of a large company to try to exploit it there was a fair bit of conflict and chaos and some damage to the habitats on the system. Most people seem to think things are OK but he knows enough to tell that the situation is unstable with the environment staggering on as it consumes its own reserves and sooner or later a cascade effect will lead to a total collapse. Very interesting and worrying.
Very detailed look at an huge subject and looking forward to seeing more.
|
|
|
Post by chinuaneustadt on Jan 23, 2020 21:21:08 GMT
chinuaneustadt , Thanks for the reply and detailed response to my previous posts. Good summary of the problems and the real need for a mixture of ground and space based facilities for a stable system. The Cradle Wars are a lasting shock to humanity but I think in the longer term the interstellar government may be making a mistake if it tries to hold some of its world's back from developing. Not only does it reduce its own strength but it will cause resentment among the affected communities. However that is probably seen as a longer term problem by the government for the moment. Your comment makes me think about a story, the 2nd in a series, I read a couple of months back. [Wish I could remember the damned name but several other books in the series to come.] One of the central characters is a genetic scientist on Ganymede I think it was which is a vital base for the population of the outer planets - who are a weaker but important 3rd player in a Solar System dominated by Earth and Mars. As the result of the impacts of the introduction of an alien life-form and the attempts of a large company to try to exploit it there was a fair bit of conflict and chaos and some damage to the habitats on the system. Most people seem to think things are OK but he knows enough to tell that the situation is unstable with the environment staggering on as it consumes its own reserves and sooner or later a cascade effect will lead to a total collapse. Very interesting and worrying.
Very detailed look at an huge subject and looking forward to seeing more. Thanks stevep ! I think I know this one. You're talking about the Expanse series, right? I didn't read the books, but I just got around to watching the amazon series back in December, and I might have had a little bit of subconscious influence there. You're right about holding back some of the world's development being seen as a longer term problem, and it may come back to bite them in the future. There are a bunch of reasons for this though, so it'll probably show up in a longer form post at some point. A few brief ones are: concentrations of power lead to structural inequities within the system, and the interstellar government believes the greater the concentration of power, the greater the risk factor for instability is. Their aim at the moment is to diffuse concentrations of power. You have a population that is growing? Great, the interstellar government wants you. Not so that your population remains concentrated in your world or local system, but so that it can be spread out to other areas where people and resources are lacking. Think of it as a form of deurbanization. The point, however, isn't to make some areas weaker in absolute terms. It is merely to strengthen and expand power beyond its focal points. The largest cause for concern for the interstellar government is less than this will result in those regions eventually revolting - the very nature of this move is that their ability to do so is curtailed so that every year they do not revolt, they are less able to do so successfully. Rather, their concern is that concentrations of capital, population, and trade are the most powerful engines of development. If another interstellar group embraces this, and allows for a new Cradle-like environment, then they may be left behind. The interstellar government still pushes forward the limits of technology, but their role has made them more stewards and guardians of regions that have fallen to backwater status, rather than being the main hub of scientific advancement and pushing forward human civilization. This is part of the reason why they are frustrated by Matete Rivieu. Its a highly useful world, one that is vital for the future of humanity, but it seems content with its local stagnation. That's not how humanity is bound together, rather it is how it falls apart. At least, in their philosophy.
|
|
stevep
Fleet admiral
Posts: 24,835
Likes: 13,224
|
Post by stevep on Jan 24, 2020 11:39:17 GMT
chinuaneustadt , Thanks for the reply and detailed response to my previous posts. Good summary of the problems and the real need for a mixture of ground and space based facilities for a stable system. The Cradle Wars are a lasting shock to humanity but I think in the longer term the interstellar government may be making a mistake if it tries to hold some of its world's back from developing. Not only does it reduce its own strength but it will cause resentment among the affected communities. However that is probably seen as a longer term problem by the government for the moment. Your comment makes me think about a story, the 2nd in a series, I read a couple of months back. [Wish I could remember the damned name but several other books in the series to come.] One of the central characters is a genetic scientist on Ganymede I think it was which is a vital base for the population of the outer planets - who are a weaker but important 3rd player in a Solar System dominated by Earth and Mars. As the result of the impacts of the introduction of an alien life-form and the attempts of a large company to try to exploit it there was a fair bit of conflict and chaos and some damage to the habitats on the system. Most people seem to think things are OK but he knows enough to tell that the situation is unstable with the environment staggering on as it consumes its own reserves and sooner or later a cascade effect will lead to a total collapse. Very interesting and worrying.
Very detailed look at an huge subject and looking forward to seeing more. Thanks stevep ! I think I know this one. You're talking about the Expanse series, right? I didn't read the books, but I just got around to watching the amazon series back in December, and I might have had a little bit of subconscious influence there. You're right about holding back some of the world's development being seen as a longer term problem, and it may come back to bite them in the future. There are a bunch of reasons for this though, so it'll probably show up in a longer form post at some point. A few brief ones are: concentrations of power lead to structural inequities within the system, and the interstellar government believes the greater the concentration of power, the greater the risk factor for instability is. Their aim at the moment is to diffuse concentrations of power. You have a population that is growing? Great, the interstellar government wants you. Not so that your population remains concentrated in your world or local system, but so that it can be spread out to other areas where people and resources are lacking. Think of it as a form of deurbanization. The point, however, isn't to make some areas weaker in absolute terms. It is merely to strengthen and expand power beyond its focal points. The largest cause for concern for the interstellar government is less than this will result in those regions eventually revolting - the very nature of this move is that their ability to do so is curtailed so that every year they do not revolt, they are less able to do so successfully. Rather, their concern is that concentrations of capital, population, and trade are the most powerful engines of development. If another interstellar group embraces this, and allows for a new Cradle-like environment, then they may be left behind. The interstellar government still pushes forward the limits of technology, but their role has made them more stewards and guardians of regions that have fallen to backwater status, rather than being the main hub of scientific advancement and pushing forward human civilization. This is part of the reason why they are frustrated by Matete Rivieu. Its a highly useful world, one that is vital for the future of humanity, but it seems content with its local stagnation. That's not how humanity is bound together, rather it is how it falls apart. At least, in their philosophy.
Good memory, yes its the Expanse series. As I said only read the 1st two so far but looks very interesting. A devout miser given the price of books and also lacking time as I spend too long on the computer but with the running down of libraries in Britain it does limit the choices somewhat.
Thanks for the additional details about the aims and fears of the interstellar government. Of course dispersing people from an high population centre could also have another problem if they have a strong identity. They may still think of themselves as members of group X which now expands beyond one or a few worlds.
Anyway looking forward to seeing how things develop.
Steve
|
|
|
Post by chinuaneustadt on Sept 23, 2020 9:16:49 GMT
I was rereading this earlier, and I have waaaaay too many typos. I could have sworn I proof read. Anyways: Name: Tariha Veyihah Discovered: 2113 Explored: 2188 First Settlement: 2197 Affiliation During the Cradle Wars: None Last Contact with Interstellar Governance: 2642 Year of Rediscovery: 3096 Planetary Classification: Lunar Body, Gas Giant Planet, Slow Rotation Average Surface Temperature: 52 Degrees Fahrenheit, 11 Degrees Celsius Gravity at Planetary Sea Level: 7.18 m/s2 Population Estimate: 219 Million (0.63% of Lunar Humanity) Lunar Population Ranking: 44th In System Population: 47 Million Technological Level: 21st - 24th Century Interstellar Capacity: Moderate Risk of Dangerous AI Proliferation: Moderate Autonomous Robotics Capacity: Moderate to High Governance Type: Divided into State Societies Prevailing Cultures: Brazilian, Quechua Secondary Cultures: Chilean, Oromo, Polish, Czech, Hungarian Tertiary Culture: Mexican, Venezuelan Language Estimate: Tarihan Creole (Spanish, Portuguese, Oromo) 77%, Spanish 15%, Central European Creole 7%, Other 1% Religious Estimate: Catholicism 67%, Local Abrahamic Variations 9%, Atheist/Irreligious 24% Degree of Secularity: Moderate to High
One of 4196 known planetary colonization projects originating from Earth prior to the Cradle Wars, Tariha Veyihah was among the first worlds to be rediscovered by the Interstellar government, as well as one of the oldest continually inhabited worlds in the galaxy.
The world is currently divided into twelve countries, but only four are of substantial importance. A massive planetary war took place between the years 3082-93, resulting in catastrophic losses in human life and planetary infrastructure. The conflict was kept from being existential, but the threat of past and future conflict has led to increased reliance upon AI and autonomous robotics. A recent treaty, brokered by the interstellar government, has seen greater restrictions on future AI construction, but more work will need to be done in order to resolve this world’s problems prior to reintegration efforts.
Tariha Veyihah was initially founded as the vanity project of a Bolivian businesswoman in the late 22nd century. Juana Amaranta Quispe-Morganson, owner of a leading construction consortium, was the second richest individual in her native country, and known to have a prickly sense of pride. When the richest person in Bolivia announced the purchase of a portion of land the size of Antarctica and began to induce the Bolivian government to support a colonial endeavor, Juana immediately began looking for her own place among the stars.
After nearly a decade of searching for a potential target, she found Tariha Veyihah in the starcharts of an Ethiopian Observatory. After purchasing the exploratory rights to the lunar body, an expeditionary body was sent out in 2187.
The location was less hospitable than initially desired, but Juana pushed for immediate plans to terraform and colonize the lunar body. Settlements were established long before the local biosphere was suitable for human habitation, and massive amounts of initial investment poured into the world.
Several million individuals would find their home on Tariha Veyihah, mostly from Bolivia, by the time of Quispe-Morganson’s death. This was a very large, and relatively early push into the stars. If properly capitalized on, one might have heard of Tariha Veyihah as one of the crown jewels of pre-cradle war human civilization.
The issue, however, is that the world was only ever designed to satisfy the ego of a single individual. When she was alive, she poured far more resources into the world than similar projects at the time. After her death, the project was almost immediately put on life support by her relatives. New capital was invested only rarely, and the world would eventually be sold to other groups and nations.
In 2344, a Brazilian group would take control of the planet and inject new life into the project. The local population had only grown to around 10 million at the time, and only saw a small wave of Ethiopian migrants move to the planet in the last 75 years. As such, the Brazilians sponsored a new wave of colonists from Brazil and elsewhere in South America.
In 2463, Tariha Veyihah again found itself in the wilderness as the locus of interstellar colonization and commerce drifted further and further away from the lunar outpost. To make matters worse, the moon was not the most hospitable of places. It was a relatively cool world, with long days and nights, orbiting a Neptune-sized gas giant. Humans could live, and even thrive there, but at a time when colonial opportunities were abounding everywhere, the Brazilian group turned its gaze to warmer, brighter ventures.
The relative obscurity of Tariha Veyihah, and its distance from trade and power, would ultimately be its saving grace. The colony was sustainable, and many of its inhabitants were not wealthy enough to migrate off of the moon to seek other prospects or attract intergalactic commerce. Life continued much as it had before as convoys between it and Brazil, like with Bolivia before it, declined.
While the world was initially protected by a Brazilian fleet, much of the system's defenses were relocated to fend off attacks in more economically and strategically vital locations. In their absence, Tariha Veyihah was claimed by about twenty powers in a hundred years by right of conquest – though these were mostly bloodless affairs. Usually a handful of warships would arrive, demand to meet local planetary leadership, inform them of their new state loyalties, and then be promptly abandoned.
One of the lunar continents was bombarded, however, in 2581 when a Bolivian war fleet arrived. They claimed that the political leaders of the continent were duplicitous, and gave their allegiance too many times. It was a show of force, they claimed, and they minimized their actions with the xenophobic aside that their attack was largely aimed at non-Bolivian ethnic groups. That war fleet left in 2583, as Bolivia on earth was folded into the Andean Martial Directorate. They even took most of the civilian space-faring assets the colony possessed when they did so.
Several others would lay claim to the planetary system, but almost none of them would stay. Without modern space-faring infrastructure, and so far away from the heart of the fighting, the system might as well have been uninhabited for a fleet at war. Given its relative distance, few civilian groups moved into the region either. Those that did were typically conscripted into dying military organizations that passed through the system.
This changed dramatically in 2642, when the 28th Central European Naval Fleet arrived in the system. They were victorious in a series of skirmishes, but after hearing of the destruction of the 47th and the crippling of the 29th fleets, both in their local sector, their commander – Zoltan Wisniewski – bowed out of the war. The Central European Union was one of the most powerful interstellar forces prior to the cradle wars, but by this point in time, most of its population was dead, leaving behind scattered, but powerful, navies that often still claimed loyalties to their soon to be dead nation.
Zoltan Wisniewski chose to reside in Tariha Veyihah because of its relative isolation and utility. The 28th fleet destroyed all remaining straggler navies that were aware of the system, and then reported near total losses to their HQ at the hands of an ambush from the rising United Congolese Directorate. Afterward, almost all equipment capable of communicating outside of the system's immediate area was destroyed, and Zoltan Wisniewski declared himself to be the guardian of Tariha Veyihah.
The 28th fleet coerced the surrender of most political bodies on Tariha, and then Wisniewski set about establishing an empire. The local population had no ability to resist, no offensive or defensive military capacity that could oppose a war fleet. Wisniewski, for his part, was not an overly despotic autocrat, and eschewed the idea of a permanent military autocracy. He set about reorganizing local colonials, establishing a location where those under his command could live, and built a planetary political and economic superstructure. A strict separation of political and military power was established, empowering local democratic elements, while maintaining military unity as separate from Tariha.
In 2711, Wisniewski was nearing the end of his life. On a more modern world, he might have been able to live well beyond his 120th year, but Wisniewski no longer believed that any civilization worth speaking of really existed anywhere anymore. In his sense of strategic fatalism, he believed the cradle wars would continue until nothing but remote outposts were left. One of the last things he did was allow for local residents of Tariha to become eligible to join the 28th fleet, and he aimed for the gradual mutual integration of the two societies.
Over time, the situation on Tariha improved. Civilian space-faring infrastructure was fostered and cultivated, and the militaristic rule of the Central Europeans was not too heavy-handed. At the same time, however, the people of Tariha chaffed under the continued existence of a foreign military power that, theoretically, could do whatever it wanted to them if they so chose. A nativist movement began developing in earnest in the year 2766, one that would eventually lead to a mutiny and civil war.
When the fifth fleet admiral resigned, there was a strong push for rear admiral Alfonso Pereira to be named the new fleet commander. For the first time, a native born son of Tariha was in a position to assume command of the fleet. He was passed over in favor of a less senior admiral in the fleet who was descended from Central European stock. Over the next few weeks, several seamen began to protest the decision. The new fleet admiral, feeling insecure in his position, court marshaled the seamen and began to show clear distrust towards junior Tarihan officers and crewmen. By now, over 2/3rds of the fleet complement were Tarihan, and many of the Central Europeans could claim partial Tarihan heritage. It was clear that something had gone wrong, and several individuals began looking to Pereira as the true leader of the fleet.
Fearing this, Pereira was put detained and confined to quarters. What happened next was entirely predictable. Protests turned to mutiny, several seamen turned to thousands, and commanding officers either defected to the mutineers, or were detained by their crews. The 28th fleet was rapidly becoming divided, and so the sixth fleet admiral sought to diffuse the situation. He announced that Pereira would be released, suggested that Pereira would be the seventh fleet admiral, and otherwise sought to sooth tensions. This, however, was on the condition that the mutineers stand down.
They didn’t. The resulting situation continued to get out of hand until, inevitably, shots were fired. It is unclear who started it, and why, but what was clear was that the 28th fleet was now at war with itself. Both Pereira and the Fleet Admiral died later on when the capital ship was destroyed as a result of sabotage, and with it the 28th fleet had no hope of regaining cohesion. Multiple different factions emerged, and nearly 80% of their warships were crippled or destroyed. The fleet constructed had a number of shipyards, but these too were largely destroyed. The fighting had lasted for only about three years, but it would set a course for disunity and greater conflict.
Over the course of the next hundred years, local political structures – largely emergent from Wisniewski’s reforms – asserted their independence and courted support from the orbital naval forces. The disconnect between Tarihan polities and military assets largely ensured that the breakup of local planetary governance did not result in overly destructive wars. However, fearing that the power of the stars might be turned against them, local leaders were desperate to woo warships to their side. Though the traditions of maintaining a strict division between the fleet and the local polity persisted for a time, by 2852, all 17 warships declared their support for a particular polity on the ground.
Power was unevenly distributed, and many began to seek ways to gain a competitive advantage over the other. Just as military norms dividing the fleet from domestic politics were eventually discarded, so too did reliance upon force multipliers like AI and autonomous robotics. An arms race began to develop in both orbit and on the surface, and the ones most guilty of pursuing this taboo were the Central European remnants. Left with only four warships, and representing about 20% of the population of the system, the group sought to employ other means to ensure their survival.
It was not without cause that they feared their rivals, as several others loudly made claims in favor of “justice” and “retribution” against the remaining Central Europeans. It did not matter that, by this point, few of the Central Europeans could claim to not possess substantial Tarihan heritage. They had a competitive advantage in some areas of technology that allowed them to have an edge, but this edge was widdled away with time. Soon all of the major powers were adopting their force multiplication strategy. After a certain amount of time, the minority couldn’t keep up with the Tarihans and an alliance of four of the most powerful of nations declared war in 3082, when there was no longer any doubt who would be the victor in a “limited” version of this form of war.
The Central Europeans put up a fight, and Tariha Veyihah paid a heavy price for this conflict. Some 63 million people died, and most of them long after the Central Europeans surrendered. The AI employed by the hostile participants was difficult to contain, and many autonomous robots carried on fighting for years after their creators were killed or surrendered. The Central Europeans now make up about 7% of the population, and are – outside of language and some cultural vestiges – indistinguishable from other Tarihans. They also no longer have access to any space-faring military asset as their last surviving warship was surrendered in their armistice negotiations.
Victory over their declared oppressor, however, did not instill greater unity in Tariha Veyihah. Now that their boogeyman is crippled, and all but the most fanatical believing they are no longer a threat, the other eleven polities of Tariha are increasingly hostile to one another. The four that defeated the last remnants of the 28th fleet were almost divided into battlelines for war, as one of the four was deemed too powerful by the other three. This state had successfully begun to build warships with a quality that could threaten some of the weaker ships of the 28th fleet when it arrived, finally demonstrating that they were capable of producing 24th century equivalent warships.
The interstellar government is more forceful with its dealings with Tariha Veyihah than most of the other worlds it has rediscovered. Some of that has to do with the relatively early chronology of the rediscovery, as many of the rules and contact procedures were still under development at the time. The more salient reasoning, however, has to do with the warlike nature of the Tahira Veyihah political system and its embrace of dangerous technologies. To the interstellar government, observing and learning about this system encapsulates how the cradle wars may repeat themselves. Nothing in the system is a threat to the interstellar government, as even its smaller fleets are many times more powerful than the 28th fleet ever was, but that does not mean the interstellar government will allow a repeat of old errors.
This is one of the few worlds for which reintegration is not actively being discussed, even within the interstellar government. Rather, the nature of the system itself must be changed first. By diplomacy if possible, and other means if necessary.
|
|