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Post by stevep on Mar 22, 2020 11:23:19 GMT
It would definitely be interesting for all involved and I would expect war with Spain as the CSA includes both Florida and a larger part of New Spain aka Mexico as well as probably seeking to take California to secure access to the Pacific as well as the resources of the region.
Whether the CSA would support the rump US in attacking Canada and other British possessions or possibly seek to impose a peace that 'regains' W Virginia, Kentucky and other border slave states, or possibly take over the US in its entirety as most of the northern states still have slavery at this point, albeit dying out in many areas. They might alternatively leave the old northern eastern states but seek to secure much of the 'old NW' and points further west as elements from places like Kentucky were some of the most determined to crush the Indian populations of the region and you could see something akin to OTL US or even larger that is dominated by slavery. Which is a potentially very dark future.  Given their potential industrial power when they develop the shipping they could seek to maintain the Atlantic slave trade that European powers are increasingly trying to end and probably expand slavery further. There is the danger of them seeking to take over or win over assorted plantation islands in the Caribbean for instance - the latter option possibly means they support pr-slavery interests in Britain and elsewhere which could delay the ending of slavery in the British empire.  Europe is likely to catch up technologically over the next couple of generations but it would affect a lot of the world and depending on what the south does could see Napoleon's empire surviving, at least for a while, which is likely to delay such a catch up. Your going to have power moving from Europe much earlier which is going to cause huge butterflies. Well the CSA 1862 and 1812 USA can make a deal, splitting up North America.
They can but I suspect the CSA would want the lion's share or possibly simply use their economic and demographic edge to take it all and prevent any rise of anti-slavery in the continent. [Which won't prevent such and may actually speed it up but that's the attitude I think most of those in power in the 1861 south would take].
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Post by lordroel on Mar 22, 2020 11:25:18 GMT
Well the CSA 1862 and 1812 USA can make a deal, splitting up North America. They can but I suspect the CSA would want the lion's share or possibly simply use their economic and demographic edge to take it all and prevent any rise of anti-slavery in the continent. [Which won't prevent such and may actually speed it up but that's the attitude I think most of those in power in the 1861 south would take]. Steve
Well i would assume that if they take everything they will have to face the United kingdom later on who is not going to like a powerful slave driven power gobbling up much of North America. |
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Post by stevep on Mar 23, 2020 9:45:45 GMT
They can but I suspect the CSA would want the lion's share or possibly simply use their economic and demographic edge to take it all and prevent any rise of anti-slavery in the continent. [Which won't prevent such and may actually speed it up but that's the attitude I think most of those in power in the 1861 south would take]. Steve
Well i would assume that if they take everything they will have to face the United kingdom later on who is not going to like a powerful slave driven power gobbling up much of North America.
The problem is that 1812 UK is not yet fully anti-slavery, is somewhat behind 1861 CSA in many areas of technology and most of all is somewhat distracted by Napoleon.
What you might have if the CSA went for overrunning most/all of N America - possibly leaving Alaska as so distant, unimportant and it would mean clashing with Russia is that a generation or so down the line you could see a more developed Britain supporting a revolution by the occupied northern states of the US as well as seeking to liberate Canada, which would have a measure of irony, Britain supporting an American revolution.  Especially if Britain managed to hold onto Newfoundland because of the importance of the fisheries.
Mind you 1861 CSA is going to face one economic problem as the demand for cotton is markedly less than their used to as the cotton industry, while growing rapidly is much smaller. They could end up seeking to produce their own factories however rather than allowing either the north [occupied or not] or Britain to become the main processor of cotton.
Checking Madison was the US President in 1812 and he was a Virginian so might be willing to accept CSA leadership?
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Post by Zyobot on Mar 24, 2020 20:21:29 GMT
'2020 Scandinavia To 1920'.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 24, 2020 20:27:31 GMT
'2020 Scandinavia To 1920'. Why not before the start of the winter war. |
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Post by Zyobot on Mar 24, 2020 22:05:50 GMT
'2020 Scandinavia To 1920'. Why not before the start of the winter war. Oh, yeah; I hadn’t thought about that. Although, 1920’s still way before the Winter War and when the USSR is still backward, weak and caught in the midst of the Russian Civil War. |
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Post by Zyobot on Mar 25, 2020 22:51:42 GMT
'2020 YouTube Content To 2005', which is when YouTube first began.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 26, 2020 3:40:51 GMT
'2020 YouTube Content To 2005', which is when YouTube first began. Will YouTube have to pay all the content creators money. |
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Post by Zyobot on Mar 26, 2020 17:41:51 GMT
'2020 YouTube Content To 2005', which is when YouTube first began. Will YouTube have to pay all the content creators money. No. At least, not unless YouTube has to pay the 2005 versions of whatever creators have posted (i.e. a sixteen-year-old PewDiePie), which could become a legal debate in of itself. |
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Post by lordroel on Mar 26, 2020 18:50:14 GMT
Will YouTube have to pay all the content creators money. No. At least, not unless YouTube has to pay the 2005 versions of whatever creators have posted (i.e. a sixteen-year-old PewDiePie), which could become a legal debate in of itself. That was i thinking as well. |
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Post by Zyobot on Mar 27, 2020 1:38:07 GMT
‘2000 George Bush Jr. SI To 1980 George Bush Sr.’.
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Post by Zyobot on Mar 28, 2020 2:48:16 GMT
‘2012 Mitt Romney SI To 1972 Richard Nixon’. On January 1st before Watergate happens, to be exact.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 28, 2020 7:49:47 GMT
‘2012 Mitt Romney SI To 1972 Richard Nixon’. On January 1st before Watergate happens, to be exact. Can he stop it. |
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Post by Zyobot on Mar 29, 2020 22:37:29 GMT
‘2012 Mitt Romney SI To 1972 Richard Nixon’. On January 1st before Watergate happens, to be exact. Can he stop it. If you’re talking about not going ahead with it since it would’ve occurred in June, that’d be my guess. What Romney does from this point forward since—for as much as he might know about OTL 1970s—he won’t perfectly replicate everything Nixon did leading up to election night—I don’t know. I’m guessing that even with his foreknowledge of what’s to come (though it may not apply as much ITTL), he’d have to adjust his positions accordingly due to the different political climate of 1972. Given that Nixon, at least as far as I’m aware, was more of a liberal Republican than Romney’s used to dealing with, it might be hard to find a compromise that allows him to make some desired changes so long as he’s time-traveling, but also doesn’t arouse suspicion from his family, his cabinet, the press and the public. |
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Post by Zyobot on Mar 31, 2020 1:18:19 GMT
'2004 John Kerry SI To 1964 LBJ'.
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Europe is likely to catch up technologically over the next couple of generations but it would affect a lot of the world and depending on what the south does could see Napoleon's empire surviving, at least for a while, which is likely to delay such a catch up. Your going to have power moving from Europe much earlier which is going to cause huge butterflies.
Especially if Britain managed to hold onto Newfoundland because of the importance of the fisheries.