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Post by lordroel on Feb 11, 2023 19:04:13 GMT
I’m surprised 😲 and disappointed no one has committed to my draft for my alternative history, but it is a rough draft for a reason. Plus I guess I’m so used to alternative history.com of people giving negative feedback and then saying this is so inaccurate or biased. Well, I have learned from my mistakes on that website. I also noticed how hard it truly was to have a wide following if the timeline was pro confederate. This is the Real time Discussion thread, American hist for the Realtime projects that are ongoing ore have been fished.
Regarding your alternative history, sometimes members post in other members threads and sometimes not, there are plenty TLs here with members have not posted ore only posted a couple of post.
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Post by stevep on Feb 12, 2023 12:27:43 GMT
Well from today's WWI thread this came as a bit of a surprise.
I know that Wilhelm was a racial bigot and rather flaky and also that there were underlining anti-Semitism in Germany at the time but its generally viewed as one of the least bigoted nations when it came to Jews.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 12, 2023 12:30:58 GMT
Well from today's WWI thread this came as a bit of a surprise. I know that Wilhelm was a racial bigot and rather flaky and also that there were underlining anti-Semitism in Germany at the time but its generally viewed as one of the least bigoted nations when it came to Jews. Seems even during the Great War, Jews got the blame for something.
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Post by stevep on Feb 14, 2023 12:06:05 GMT
On today's WWI thread interesting to hear of the German plans to use anthrax attacks against the allies. That was something I had never heard of before.
On today's USCW post you have a duplication with two entries under Pennsylvania, the 2nd being a duplication of the 2nd paragraph of the 1st entry. Both containing.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 14, 2023 13:00:13 GMT
On today's WWI thread interesting to hear of the German plans to use anthrax attacks against the allies. That was something I had never heard of before.
On today's USCW post you have a duplication with two entries under Pennsylvania, the 2nd being a duplication of the 2nd paragraph of the 1st entry. Both containing.
Steve
As always, thanks for the spotting, have edit it.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 15, 2023 16:06:08 GMT
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Post by miletus12 on Feb 16, 2023 13:50:02 GMT
United States Army, General David E. Twiggs I have the dishonor of having this expletive deleted traitor as an ancestor. Miletus
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Post by American hist on Feb 19, 2023 6:06:23 GMT
What happened to the money then I wonder?
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Post by lordroel on Feb 19, 2023 7:37:05 GMT
What happened to the money then I wonder? What money.
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Post by stevep on Feb 19, 2023 11:11:55 GMT
A couple of comments on yesterday's WWII post. Well that's one good bit of news, although the people at the time don't know that yet and there's still a lot of blood and suffering before this horror is over.
I wonder if this inspired a scene in the musical South Pacific? Where a certain character ended up in a rubber dingy under intense fire, drawing in covering US a/c and hence providing a diversion from an important landing operation elsewhere.
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Post by miletus12 on Feb 19, 2023 12:45:41 GMT
What happened to the money then I wonder? What money. The monthly federal payroll for the 5,000 men of the Texas military garrisons = $100,000+ for starters. It was stolen. My rotten ancestor, among others, certainly stole it and gave it to the Confederates. Then there were the contract funds for the civilians the federal army employed and the monies to pay for consumables such as fodder, spare parts, warehouse fees, food purchases and so forth. Not only was GEN Twiggs a traitor, but he was a grand larcenist, a purveyor of stolen goods, a horsethief, a cattle rustler, a swindler, and just about every other property theft criminal felony you could name in 1860. He was responsible for the ownership and physical security in trust that the American people collectively owned in Texas, that is everything as physical property, from the warehoused shoes that would be future issued that went on the private soldiers' feet, to the very beef herds the USG maintained to feed the Texas garrisons and horse herds along with the tackle to steer them and the saddles that the cavalry sat upon. All of that was warehoused. That property also included physical properties such as the entire infrastructure for the US Mails (Waystations, spare stage coaches and horses and mules, and monies for that department.) and customs houses for US ports in Texas with the tariffs (import and export taxes) collected. (Several MILLIONs of dollars on KING COTTON.) In short, I would put the thefts he allowed as closer to $20,000,000.00 than $1.600,000.00.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 19, 2023 12:50:19 GMT
The monthly federal payroll for the 5,000 men of the Texas military garrisons = $100,000+ for starters. It was stolen. My rotten ancestor, among others, certainly stole it and gave it to the Confederates. Then there were the contract funds for the civilians the federal army employed and the monies to pay for consumables such as fodder, spare parts, warehouse fees, food purchases and so forth. Not only was GEN Twiggs a traitor, but he was a grand larcenist, a purveyor of stolen goods, a horsethief, a cattle rustler, a swindler, and just about every other property theft criminal felony you could name in 1860. He was responsible for the ownership and physical security in trust that the American people collectively owned in Texas, that is everything as physical property, from the warehoused shoes that would be future issued that went on the private soldiers' feet, to the very beef herds the USG maintained to feed the Texas garrisons and horse herds along with the tackle to steer them and the saddles that the cavalry sat upon. All of that was warehoused. That property also included physical properties such as the entire infrastructure for the US Mails (Waystations, spare stage coaches and horses and mules, and monies for that department.) and customs houses for US ports in Texas with the tariffs (import and export taxes) collected. (Several MILLIONs of dollars on KING COTTON.) In short, I would put the thefts he allowed as closer to $20,000,000.00 than $1.600,000.00. Well Texas could not have been held by United States forces even if Twiggs had not betrayed, ore that is what i think.
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Post by miletus12 on Feb 19, 2023 13:40:59 GMT
The monthly federal payroll for the 5,000 men of the Texas military garrisons = $100,000+ for starters. It was stolen. My rotten ancestor, among others, certainly stole it and gave it to the Confederates. Then there were the contract funds for the civilians the federal army employed and the monies to pay for consumables such as fodder, spare parts, warehouse fees, food purchases and so forth. Not only was GEN Twiggs a traitor, but he was a grand larcenist, a purveyor of stolen goods, a horsethief, a cattle rustler, a swindler, and just about every other property theft criminal felony you could name in 1860. He was responsible for the ownership and physical security in trust that the American people collectively owned in Texas, that is everything as physical property, from the warehoused shoes that would be future issued that went on the private soldiers' feet, to the very beef herds the USG maintained to feed the Texas garrisons and horse herds along with the tackle to steer them and the saddles that the cavalry sat upon. All of that was warehoused. That property also included physical properties such as the entire infrastructure for the US Mails (Waystations, spare stage coaches and horses and mules, and monies for that department.) and customs houses for US ports in Texas with the tariffs (import and export taxes) collected. (Several MILLIONs of dollars on KING COTTON.) In short, I would put the thefts he allowed as closer to $20,000,000.00 than $1.600,000.00. Well Texas could not have been held by United States forces even if Twiggs had not betrayed, ore that is what i think. He was the chief property book holder for Texas as general of that military department. The proper thing to do as a property book holder when you no longer want that position of trust, is to resign and no longer be in service and thus accountable. But David Twiggs did not do that. He was fired for: for he surrendered all properties, monies, and goods belonging to the American people, while he was still in their service as a general officer of the United States without so much as a protest letter. He gleefully passed it over. If he had been in the service of the queen of England or king of Spain and done that without presidential permission, he would have been hunted down and executed. But, we Americans, are a merciful people. Contrast that treachery with Major Anderson of Fort Sumter, who withstood Confederate aggression before he yielded the place up due to a hopeless situation. Not only was Anderson defending his fort, but also the United States' rights to the customs houses, the naval yard and federal sovereignty and properties of the American people in and through the harbor and port of Charleston. Beauregard had to attack and physically neutralize Fort Sumter or the legal fiction of secession would collapse in the face of Anderson's practial refusal to allow it. Note that Abraham Lincoln instructed Anderson "to hold out as long as practicable" in a written letter, which was tantamount to an order. Lincoln gave permission and authority to Anderson to use his own local judgement. Anderson did his best in light of those instructions. Actually he did a remarkably good job given the circumstances. We have two recent situations that contrast this kind of behaviors expected. In the Falklands War, the British platoon which garrisoned Port Stanley when the Argentines invaded, could not possibly have mounted a successful defense, but they at least put up a show of a defense and shot at the invaders, before the local commander surrendered. In the US bugout of Afghanistan, the general officer commanding abandoned his troops and BILLIONS of dollars of equipment to the Taliban and left them all (soldiers) to get out as best they could at the end. We took needless deaths because of that. An ordered (Biden is a CRIMINAL for not declaring it and arranging authority for it.) withdrawal would have seen us either airlift out our gear with a formal ceremonial turnover, of our bases to the Taliban or blowing up everything with a fighting withdrawal. But we bugged out in a routed panic. We remember another crime like that one... That is why I hate Biden's stinking guts.
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Post by stevep on Feb 24, 2023 11:43:42 GMT
I think there's a duplication in today's WWII post. Its the old issue of events around Gib getting put into both Atlantic and Med theatres.
The 2nd entry has a bit more detail about the incident and there is a difference between how many survivors there were from U-761, 51 or 48. Possibly its how many were rescued initially but with 3 dying of their injures?
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Post by lordroel on Feb 24, 2023 11:55:59 GMT
I think there's a duplication in today's WWII post. Its the old issue of events around Gib getting put into both Atlantic and Med theatres.
The 2nd entry has a bit more detail about the incident and there is a difference between how many survivors there were from U-761, 51 or 48. Possibly its how many were rescued initially but with 3 dying of their injures? Steve
Thanks, the trolls will be punished for this, in the meantime i will edit it.
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