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Post by stevep on May 5, 2022 12:52:46 GMT
I suggest you ask the Herero and Namaqua about that opinion of the German army. Their every bit as capable of being brutal as the US army was. Plus having a lot more troops and equipment. On the other hand they did seem to treat the natives well when the latter were obedient and they are more likely to treat Christian populations better so it might depend on who was the German governor of the islands and how they interacted with the locals. After all its unlikely that unlike German SW Africa the Philippines would be seen as suitable for large scale colonization. One should note that terrain, weather and access to arms and the defending local population capabilities are factors in my assessment of German chances. 1. The Germans have ZERO experience in amphibious warfare and small-scale warfare against tribes and well-organized national liberation movements. The Americans have recent jungle warfare and tropical warfare experience. 2. Brutal the Americans were, but they were canny, political and very adept at pitting local factions against each other. They also have a strong cavalry tradition in small scale wars and are MOUNTAIN FIGHTERS thanks to the Apache Wars. Namibia is a savannah type terrain with a temperate climate. It is rather dry. The local populace is not that well-armed and not at all well led or supplied or politically adept and they have no national liberation movement. The Philippine Republic... had an ARMY. It took 100,000 Americans six years to beat it. And to be honest, it was a campaign every bit as reprehensible and eerily similar to the Native American Wars. Maps>  
You raise some valid points but the Germans had a lot more troops and willingness to use them, with less restraint from political interests. Plus they showed in Cameron and German E Africa they could handle tropical and mountain areas.
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Post by miletus12 on May 5, 2022 17:38:52 GMT
You raise some valid points but the Germans had a lot more troops and willingness to use them, with less restraint from political interests. Plus they showed in Cameron and German E Africa they could handle tropical and mountain areas. ? The German navy is not getting them past the USN. They actually had their chance and they blew it. We will discuss that real time in the Spanish American War thread when we get to it. |
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Post by stevep on May 6, 2022 11:01:32 GMT
You raise some valid points but the Germans had a lot more troops and willingness to use them, with less restraint from political interests. Plus they showed in Cameron and German E Africa they could handle tropical and mountain areas. ? The German navy is not getting them past the USN. They actually had their chance and they blew it. We will discuss that real time in the Spanish American War thread when we get to it.
Ah your not talking about Filipino resistance then but war between the US and Germany. That is a vastly different matter.
Of course if the two are busy fighting over control of the islands that could give a chance for the islands to become independent. However how well they could maintain that independence in the following decades without a powerful protection could be an issue.
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Post by miletus12 on May 8, 2022 16:02:41 GMT
They have to swim, don't they? The German navy is not getting them past the USN. They actually had their chance and they blew it. We will discuss that real time in the Spanish American War thread when we get to it.
Ah your not talking about Filipino resistance then but war between the US and Germany. That is a vastly different matter.
Of course if the two are busy fighting over control of the islands that could give a chance for the islands to become independent. However how well they could maintain that independence in the following decades without a powerful protection could be an issue.
1. I discussed Filipino resistance. My assumption was that the Germans would attempt to set up shop in the Philippine Archipelago. That brought up 'two problems' as corollaries. a. The McKinley administration knew about the Kaiser's 1896 plan to attack and raid the US New England seacoast. b. The Germans attempted to negotiate the US out of Manila Bay by offering a coaling station and cable node island in the Bismarcks. This was seen and recognized as an attempt to treat the United States exactly like the Germans treated Qing China and was a dangerous and typically foolish Kaiser Wilhelm II misestimate of his nation's ability to support overseas operations against a very, very hostile compeer. 2. Based on 1, the Germans did not recognize: a. that the Filipinos would fight any new would-be colonizer and since the Germans thought they were good against African nationalists and fair against Chinese Qing officials who betrayed China for bribes, did not in any way shape or form indicate that they were in any position or had any experience with a full-blooded war of national liberation or knew how to fight guerillas, especially if the situation was Aguinaldo and the United States against Germany in a Cuba formula. The German navy was not going to be able to carry that fight at all. And the German army was not prepared for it either. b. given the 'stupidity of the specific Germans involved', just wait until we discuss the hypothetical 2nd Battle of Manila Bay in about a month or so. |
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Post by stevep on May 10, 2022 14:22:12 GMT
On today's WWI post: a couple of points of note. That could have been Haig's way of getting someone speaking common sense out of the way. Surprising that its also one of the rare occasions that Churchill was on the right side of a military argument, Unfortunately Haig had too much influence, both militarily and political and a lot of people are going to die unnecessarily as a result. 
Finally they start to organise escorts!! Unfortunately too many in the RN, especially the leadership seemed to have the attack at all costs, must destroy enemy fleet attitude rather than realise what was important was control of the seas and denying the same to the enemy.
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Post by lordroel on May 10, 2022 14:23:48 GMT
On today's WWI post: a couple of points of note. That could have been Haig's way of getting someone speaking common sense out of the way. Surprising that its also one of the rare occasions that Churchill was on the right side of a military argument, Unfortunately Haig had too much influence, both militarily and political and a lot of people are going to die unnecessarily as a result. Finally they start to organise escorts!! Unfortunately too many in the RN, especially the leadership seemed to have the attack at all costs, must destroy enemy fleet attitude rather than realise what was important was control of the seas and denying the same to the enemy. Wait not troll bashing stevep, does it mean they are doing good work. |
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Post by stevep on May 10, 2022 14:25:28 GMT
On today's WWI post: a couple of points of note. That could have been Haig's way of getting someone speaking common sense out of the way. Surprising that its also one of the rare occasions that Churchill was on the right side of a military argument, Unfortunately Haig had too much influence, both militarily and political and a lot of people are going to die unnecessarily as a result.  Finally they start to organise escorts!! Unfortunately too many in the RN, especially the leadership seemed to have the attack at all costs, must destroy enemy fleet attitude rather than realise what was important was control of the seas and denying the same to the enemy. Wait not troll bashing stevep , does it mean they are doing good work.
No complains over their performance, unless they were among the commanders, political or military back in 1914-18!  |
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Post by lordroel on May 10, 2022 14:28:29 GMT
Wait not troll bashing stevep , does it mean they are doing good work. No complains over their performance, unless they were among the commanders, political or military back in 1914-18! My trolls are Dutch, so in that period they would be neutral, do not know if they are pro-allied ore pro-German, you will have to check the daily updates for that. |
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Post by stevep on May 10, 2022 14:41:27 GMT
No complains over their performance, unless they were among the commanders, political or military back in 1914-18!  , so in that period they would be neutral, do not know if they are pro-allied ore pro-German, you will have to check the daily updates for that.
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Post by lordroel on May 10, 2022 16:13:23 GMT
My trolls are Dutch, so in that period they would be neutral, do not know if they are pro-allied ore pro-German, you will have to check the daily updates for that. Ah so their from the Dutch mountain regions.  Same province but a little bit more south of this mountain, the Vaalserberg |
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Post by stevep on May 18, 2022 15:10:32 GMT
On today's WWI post you have a section, This looks like it its been a bit truncated. - Yes my war on your trolls has resumed. Evil laugh .
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Post by lordroel on May 18, 2022 15:13:20 GMT
On today's WWI post you have a section, This looks like it its been a bit truncated. - Yes my war on your trolls has resumed. Evil laugh . Steve
Thanks for the spotting stevep, will edit it and of course the trolls thank you for not forgetting that they will get a suitable punishment for you effort in finding flaws they make in the updates. |
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Post by stevep on May 26, 2022 11:27:43 GMT
On today's WWI post a quick question please? Should this be causing as food shortages are unlikely to cause a shortfall of labour at farms?
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is talking about total allied losses as that's about the sort of total losses at the time and it would be devastating for France to lose that might tonnage?
On today's WWII post
That shows how much the balance of power is changing in the Med, especially since the Axis still hold Sardinia, Sicily and Pantelleria so the operation is still potentially exposed to attack. 
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Post by lordroel on May 26, 2022 14:25:34 GMT
FranceFrench Minister of Marine states Germans have sunk 2,400,000 tons in first four months. According to the Wikipedia: U-boat campaignGermany had 105 submarines ready for action on 1 February: 46 in the High Seas Fleet; 23 in Flanders; 23 in the Mediterranean; 10 in the Baltic; and 3 at Constantinople. Fresh construction ensured that, despite losses, at least 120 submarines would be available for the rest of 1917. The campaign was initially a great success, nearly 500,000 tons of shipping being sunk in both February and March, and 860,000 tons in April, when Britain's supplies of wheat shrank to six weeks worth. In May losses exceeded 600,000 tons, and in June 700,000. Germany had lost only nine submarines in the first three months of the campaign. |
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Post by stevep on Jun 5, 2022 16:03:29 GMT
On today's WWI post you have a duplication. Right at the top you have
then further down
Those sounds like the same events and probably fit in more the 2nd slot than the 1st.
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