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Post by stevep on Aug 19, 2021 12:12:36 GMT
On today's WWI thread:
The issue of course was that nitrates were used both for fertilizer and for production of cordite which was essential in the firepower heavy war. Germany only lasted as long as it did because they had developed the Haber–Bosch process which made practical the synthesis of nitrates from atmospheric nitrogen. However generally munitions production was given priority over agricultural fertilizer. Coupled as you say with the withdrawal of many men and horses from the farms, which impacted food production. Also I believe the government left it too late to intervene to either boost food production or maintain a fair ration which caused much unrest.
On the WWII post Dieppe was a costly failure  but at least it showed the allies how much needed to be learnt before a proper large scale landing could really hope to succeed.
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Post by stevep on Aug 19, 2021 12:13:35 GMT
Now we have reached the Dieppe Raid, which is the precursor to D-Day that will happen two years later. Please, no spoilers, you are right, I hope the lose of men was worth the lesson they would apply in 1944.
Well you ninjed me as my later reply was paused for lunch so only got posted a few seconds ago.
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Post by stevep on Aug 20, 2021 10:21:01 GMT
Lordroel
On today's WWI thread you have
Think that bit got slightly screwed. "In a disaster Radford" possibly?
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Post by lordroel on Aug 20, 2021 10:28:06 GMT
Lordroel On today's WWI thread you have
Think that bit got slightly screwed. "In a disaster Radford" possibly?
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Post by stevep on Aug 22, 2021 12:16:02 GMT
On today's WWII thread,
Well that was a mess and shows how dangerous depth charges can be when lost under ships. What a cluster f**k!
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Post by lordroel on Aug 22, 2021 12:50:51 GMT
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Well that was a mess and shows how dangerous depth charges can be when lost under ships. What a cluster f**k! Steve
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Post by gillan1220 on Sept 2, 2021 15:39:07 GMT
82 years since the start of World War II, 76 years since the end.
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Post by stevep on Sept 3, 2021 10:21:36 GMT
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That is a depressing sight that shows the costs of the advances being reported. Especially since that would only be a small indicator of the deaths.
Also you have a section on division in Greece but there is a large overlap with what you posted on the 30th August. Slightly different text. Possibly this is the end of this period of unrest - although I know there's a lot more to come - and the 30th was the start of it?
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Post by lordroel on Sept 3, 2021 10:23:33 GMT
82 years since the start of World War II, 76 years since the end. And the 3rd year of the start of World War II in real-time. |
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Post by stevep on Sept 6, 2021 16:05:16 GMT
On today's WWI post: a) the section: Shows how delusional Haig seems to have been.  Hankey was right about the highly battered Somme battleground being the wrong location for using tanks. Which was something the people who have developed the tanks and were to use them were also saying, along with that they wanted to deploy them in decent numbers for a big impact rather than the small forces currently available. Haig had committed himself so much to continuous big offensives that he seemed to be totally unwilling to admit he might be wrong.
I was thinking that most of what your posted on the western front seemed to be reporting continued allied successes as if everything was going splendidly. Is there a single source for a lot of this please? It sounds distinctly like some propaganda source at the time, or possibly shortly after the war as vested interests source to argue for the success of the tactics.
On today's WWII post the text
and accompanying photo is duplicated.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 6, 2021 16:10:52 GMT
On today's WWI post: a) the section: Shows how delusional Haig seems to have been. Hankey was right about the highly battered Somme battleground being the wrong location for using tanks. Which was something the people who have developed the tanks and were to use them were also saying, along with that they wanted to deploy them in decent numbers for a big impact rather than the small forces currently available. Haig had committed himself so much to continuous big offensives that he seemed to be totally unwilling to admit he might be wrong. I was thinking that most of what your posted on the western front seemed to be reporting continued allied successes as if everything was going splendidly. Is there a single source for a lot of this please? It sounds distinctly like some propaganda source at the time, or possibly shortly after the war as vested interests source to argue for the success of the tactics.
On today's WWII post the text
and accompanying photo is duplicated.
Steve
Regarding the WW II comment, will edit it. Regarding the WW I comment, I use multiple World War I day to day scource, will try to find out wich this comes from when I get back to my PC if I do not forget it. |
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Post by stevep on Sept 6, 2021 17:24:10 GMT
On today's WWI post: a) the section: Shows how delusional Haig seems to have been. Hankey was right about the highly battered Somme battleground being the wrong location for using tanks. Which was something the people who have developed the tanks and were to use them were also saying, along with that they wanted to deploy them in decent numbers for a big impact rather than the small forces currently available. Haig had committed himself so much to continuous big offensives that he seemed to be totally unwilling to admit he might be wrong. I was thinking that most of what your posted on the western front seemed to be reporting continued allied successes as if everything was going splendidly. Is there a single source for a lot of this please? It sounds distinctly like some propaganda source at the time, or possibly shortly after the war as vested interests source to argue for the success of the tactics.
On today's WWII post the text
and accompanying photo is duplicated.
Steve
Regarding the WW II comment, will edit it. Regarding the WW I comment, I use multiple World War I day to day scource, will try to find out wich this comes from when I get back to my PC if I do not forget it.
Thanks. No great issue if you can't but I have noticed that most of the brief western front bits just seem rather upbeat and talking of allied successes without mentioning the casualties while its the more detailed ones that tend to reflect the costs of war.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 6, 2021 17:42:09 GMT
Regarding the WW II comment, will edit it. Regarding the WW I comment, I use multiple World War I day to day scource, will try to find out wich this comes from when I get back to my PC if I do not forget it. Thanks. No great issue if you can't but I have noticed that most of the brief western front bits just seem rather upbeat and talking of allied successes without mentioning the casualties while its the more detailed ones that tend to reflect the costs of war.
But politicians those days did not care about numbers except if it hurt their chances of staying in office, ore am I wrong. |
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Post by stevep on Sept 6, 2021 18:27:31 GMT
Thanks. No great issue if you can't but I have noticed that most of the brief western front bits just seem rather upbeat and talking of allied successes without mentioning the casualties while its the more detailed ones that tend to reflect the costs of war.
But politicians those days did not care about numbers except if it hurt their chances of staying in office, ore am I wrong.
Too many didn't - or don't nowadays, although tolerance of losses are far lower in the modern period in many countries. Life was a lot cheaper back then and often shorter but even so you get people seeking to distract from the actual casualties. |
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Post by lordroel on Sept 6, 2021 18:34:11 GMT
But politicians those days did not care about numbers except if it hurt their chances of staying in office, ore am I wrong. Too many didn't - or don't nowadays, although tolerance of losses are far lower in the modern period in many countries. Life was a lot cheaper back then and often shorter but even so you get people seeking to distract from the actual casualties. And after the Great War the British suffered from it with the large male deaths that occurred I assume. |
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but at least it showed the allies how much needed to be learnt before a proper large scale landing could really hope to succeed.
Hankey was right about the highly battered Somme battleground being the wrong location for using tanks. Which was something the people who have developed the tanks and were to use them were also saying, along with that they wanted to deploy them in decent numbers for a big impact rather than the small forces currently available. Haig had committed himself so much to continuous big offensives that he seemed to be totally unwilling to admit he might be wrong.