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Post by stevep on May 3, 2021 9:18:32 GMT
On today's WWI thread. a) I think the reaction of Maxwell is understandable under the circumstances. In a war fighting for Britain's survival a group of terrorists who boast how their been aided by the enemy are unlikely to be treated with kid gloves. At the same time it turned out to be a bad error.  So much of the following damage might have been avoided if he had followed advice or simply been commanded by Asquith to allow civil law to follow. It's still likely to lead to most of them being executed, since its high treason in wartime and if Ireland was lucky you might see de Valera removed, either by execution despite his US citizenship or a very long prison sentence.
b) Was the Zeppelin raid over the night of the 2nd and 3rd as your already reported a lot of details including the destruction of L20 yesterday?
On today's WWI thread you have
Just to clarify the 49 Aussies are being evacuated from Tulagi? Their obviously been moved to Guadalcanal - and hopefully get out before the Japanese land there although that's some months away IIRC but where from is unclear.
Given how close this is to Guadalcanal, which was later the primarily target for both sides in the Solomon's I wonder if Coral Sea becoming a serious allied defeat might have seen them move south markedly sooner. Which would have been an even greater problem for the allies. Hadn't realised the Japanese had started establishing bases this early in the region.
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Post by lordroel on May 3, 2021 9:30:55 GMT
On today's WWI thread. a) I think the reaction of Maxwell is understandable under the circumstances. In a war fighting for Britain's survival a group of terrorists who boast how their been aided by the enemy are unlikely to be treated with kid gloves. At the same time it turned out to be a bad error. So much of the following damage might have been avoided if he had followed advice or simply been commanded by Asquith to allow civil law to follow. It's still likely to lead to most of them being executed, since its high treason in wartime and if Ireland was lucky you might see de Valera removed, either by execution despite his US citizenship or a very long prison sentence. b) Was the Zeppelin raid over the night of the 2nd and 3rd as your already reported a lot of details including the destruction of L20 yesterday? On today's WWI thread you have
Just to clarify the 49 Aussies are being evacuated from Tulagi? Their obviously been moved to Guadalcanal - and hopefully get out before the Japanese land there although that's some months away IIRC but where from is unclear. Given how close this is to Guadalcanal, which was later the primarily target for both sides in the Solomon's I wonder if Coral Sea becoming a serious allied defeat might have seen them move south markedly sooner. Which would have been an even greater problem for the allies. Hadn't realised the Japanese had started establishing bases this early in the region. Steve
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Post by stevep on May 5, 2021 13:16:56 GMT
On the WWII thread today you have
Is that a different Diego_Garcia from this one? That's a British island base in the Indian Ocean which was already British controlled and not part of Madagascar. They could well be using Diego_Garcia as a base for the upcoming attack on Madagascar.
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Post by lordroel on May 5, 2021 14:37:12 GMT
On the WWII thread today you have
Is that a different Diego_Garcia from this one? That's a British island base in the Indian Ocean which was already British controlled and not part of Madagascar. They could well be using Diego_Garcia as a base for the upcoming attack on Madagascar. Steve
, thanks, seems i had forgotten the update, have made the edit and should now be as it schould be. |
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Post by stevep on May 6, 2021 10:14:02 GMT
One small typo in today's WWII post. On the final stages of the Bataan battle you have.
I suspect there is a word missing here. Possibly slope, hill or something like that?
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Post by lordroel on May 6, 2021 14:06:20 GMT
One small typo in today's WWII post. On the final stages of the Bataan battle you have.
I suspect there is a word missing here. Possibly slope, hill or something like that? Steve
, as always you mange to find something my trolls should have check before publishing, will edit it. |
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Post by stevep on May 7, 2021 11:10:39 GMT
On today's WWI post.
That is a classic.  Mind you when your been hit by a couple of 15" naval shells there probably isn't a lot left to continuing opposition.
Also I suspect this was something that wasn't said at the time.  There were no formal kamikazes at this stage of the war and the term wouldn't be in use. Quite possibly that a pilot deliberately crashed into the oiler, especially if the plane was too badly damaged to make it back to the carrier. Or it could be simply an error or a pilot killed/wounded and unable to pull out of an attack run.
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Post by lordroel on May 7, 2021 14:18:09 GMT
There were no formal kamikazes at this stage of the war and the term wouldn't be in use. Quite possibly that a pilot deliberately crashed into the oiler, especially if the plane was too badly damaged to make it back to the carrier. Or it could be simply an error or a pilot killed/wounded and unable to pull out of an attack run. True but i think the kamikaze is a term many people know and assume that every Japanese plane that hit a enemy ship was a kamikaze. |
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Post by stevep on May 8, 2021 12:09:07 GMT
On today's WWI post. Ouch that must have really hurt and showed how chance can still play a big role in modern(ish) warfare. Mind you if that's a big factor in Mangin retaking the fort then it really comes back to bite the French hard. |
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Post by lordroel on May 8, 2021 12:15:42 GMT
On today's WWI post. Ouch that must have really hurt and showed how chance can still play a big role in modern(ish) warfare. Mind you if that's a big factor in Mangin retaking the fort then it really comes back to bite the French hard. Behind this wall the remains were gathered inside the fort at the time and placed into a casemate which was walled off.  |
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Post by gillan1220 on May 9, 2021 4:21:39 GMT
Corregidor fell. It was the last bastion of freedom in Southeast Asia.
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Post by oscssw on May 11, 2021 17:46:04 GMT
There were no formal kamikazes at this stage of the war and the term wouldn't be in use. Quite possibly that a pilot deliberately crashed into the oiler, especially if the plane was too badly damaged to make it back to the carrier. Or it could be simply an error or a pilot killed/wounded and unable to pull out of an attack run. True but i think the kamikaze is a term many people know and assume that every Japanese plane that hit a enemy ship was a kamikaze. The formal organization of a "kamikaze Corps" AKA Special Attack Units took place in October, 1944 during the reconquest of the Philippines. Before the formation of Japanese kamikaze units, Japanese pilots (both army and navy) had made deliberate crashes as a last resort when their planes had suffered severe damage and they did not want to risk being captured, or wanted to do as much damage to the enemy as possible, since they were crashing anyway.
There are many examples of Japanese pilots purposely crashing into US ships before October '44. One example of this occurred on 7 December 1941 during the attack on Pearl Harbor. First Lieutenant Fusata Iida's plane had taken a hit and had started leaking fuel when he used it to make a suicide attack on Naval Air Station Kaneohe. So it began the day the War started and only increased in intensity and formal organization as the Japanese grew more desperate.
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Post by lordroel on May 11, 2021 17:49:35 GMT
True but i think the kamikaze is a term many people know and assume that every Japanese plane that hit a enemy ship was a kamikaze. The formal organization of a "kamikaze Corps" AKA Special Attack Units took place in October, 1944 during the reconquest of the Philippines. Before the formation of Japanese kamikaze units, Japanese pilots (both army and navy) had made deliberate crashes as a last resort when their planes had suffered severe damage and they did not want to risk being captured, or wanted to do as much damage to the enemy as possible, since they were crashing anyway.
There are many examples of Japanese pilots purposely crashing into US ships before October '44. One example of this occurred on 7 December 1941 during the attack on Pearl Harbor. First Lieutenant Fusata Iida's plane had taken a hit and had started leaking fuel when he used it to make a suicide attack on Naval Air Station Kaneohe. So it began the day the War started and only increased in intensity and formal organization as the Japanese grew more desperate.
Wich we also will see in World War II in realtime as the war unfolds. |
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Post by stevep on May 16, 2021 12:25:43 GMT
Comments on today's WWI post.
That seems an extreme measure to retrieve an a/c that presumably is pretty much a wreak? If there was fear of the Germans gaining possession of it and gaining some technological knowledge then just hit it with a few shells.
On the Sykes–Picot Agreement its interesting how much better Britain did in the final agreement. Guessing this was because France was more exhausted by 1918 than it expected to be in 1916. I think that region actually extends beyond the normal borders of Cicilia but the 1916 French territory would probably make some sort of Kurdish protectorate/state very likely, with impacts on the region. Of course Russia collapsing and then Lenin's coup also had a big impact on the practical changes of borders in the region as well as the later defeat of the Greeks in western Anatolia. It would have been a radically different ME, although whether for better or worse its impossible to tell.
On the Burbidge Committee Reports it took me a few moments to realise what it meant by trade - i.e. commercial industry. Also there's an odd bit
Is that something in the document you have or have the trolls been on the rock-juice again?
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Post by lordroel on May 16, 2021 12:33:23 GMT
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So much of the following damage might have been avoided if he had followed advice or simply been commanded by Asquith to allow civil law to follow. It's still likely to lead to most of them being executed, since its high treason in wartime and if Ireland was lucky you might see de Valera removed, either by execution despite his US citizenship or a very long prison sentence.
Mind you when your been hit by a couple of 15" naval shells there probably isn't a lot left to continuing opposition.
There were no formal kamikazes at this stage of the war and the term wouldn't be in use. Quite possibly that a pilot deliberately crashed into the oiler, especially if the plane was too badly damaged to make it back to the carrier. Or it could be simply an error or a pilot killed/wounded and unable to pull out of an attack run.
