Underused 1000-1900 PODs Oct 21, 2019 16:12:00 GMT
Post by stevep on Oct 21, 2019 16:12:00 GMT
Interesting, I wonder if that TL you’ve brought up might still be on the Web somewhere. Would you say that a no-Bismarck history would be for better or worse overall, or is it not that simple? I’m none too knowledgeable about 19th Century Europe, hence my inquiry.
There is actually a TL I read once that achieves this and more virtually as a bi-product of the Trent Crisis ending in war between Britain and the union. This sees the north forced to sue for peace in the autumn of 1862. As part of the negotiations delegates are called for from assorted neutral powers and the US ask for one from Prussia. At this stage Prussia is in a constitutional crisis with the king and conservative elements contesting with a liberal parliament over the king's desire for big increases in military spending and greatly reducing the power of Parliament to restrain the army. It was at the point when the king was even threatening to abdicate. OTL Bismarck manages to negotiate a deal which gives the king and the conservatives the power he desires and the rest is OTL history.
Here a frustrated king, given the request for a Prussian representative at the peace conference a frustrated king turns to the person currently with him, just returning from a short spell as ambassador in Paris, and basically says "you will do". Hence a rather unhappy Bismarck suddenly finds himself reading up on the situation in the US as he prepares for a trip across the Atlantic. The TL didn't go past the ending of the peace settlement in N America but the implication was that the Prussian king would probably resign and you have a markedly more liberal Prussia as a result. Which would likely change a lot about future developments in Europe although I suspect you might well see Germany, or at least its northern parts unified in some way under Prussian leadership.
Well on a US Civil war site, Trent War TL, a user Saphroneth has a TL on a Trent war which unfortunately has stalled in recent months. Pretty certain it was somewhere in that but someone mentioned he had an earlier version of the TL, think it was on AH. This was the one I mentioned. Spent some time looking but can't find it. Saphroneth was banned from AH so searching doesn't show up his threads, although a search on "Trent War" finds a number of quotes by him - and me! - on assorted threads on the topic. He does post on other sites. I will drop a line on the USCW site to ask him where the TL was and its name.