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Post by genyodectes on Jul 24, 2019 16:20:03 GMT
Attila the Hun was perhaps the main person who accelerated the collapse of Western Rome and laid the building blocks for the Medieval Era with the Germanic Tribes conquering parts of Europe and settling there to escape the Huns. What if Attila died before he could do that much? What would happen to the Germanic tribes? The Roman Empires? What might the world look like?
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Post by stevep on Jul 24, 2019 20:41:54 GMT
Attila the Hun was perhaps the main person who accelerated the collapse of Western Rome and laid the building blocks for the Medieval Era with the Germanic Tribes conquering parts of Europe and settling there to escape the Huns. What if Attila died before he could do that much? What would happen to the Germanic tribes? The Roman Empires? What might the world look like?
I would raise two points: a) Would argue that the problems started earlier. At the latest the western empire was probably doomed once Constantine came to power and supported Christianity. Possibly by the very latest the failure of the 392 revolt by the western empire under Arbogast.
b) The problems with the Huns started long before Attilia's time. In the 370's the Huns were already driving the Goths and other Germans westwards, leading to the Gothic refugees that when drive to rebellion defeated the Romans at Adrianople in 378.
As such if Attilia or another leader failed to complete the unification of the Hunnic empire in the 440's it was already too late for the western empire, which was already largely occupied by groups lead by Germanic tribes.
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Post by genyodectes on Jul 24, 2019 20:43:19 GMT
Attila the Hun was perhaps the main person who accelerated the collapse of Western Rome and laid the building blocks for the Medieval Era with the Germanic Tribes conquering parts of Europe and settling there to escape the Huns. What if Attila died before he could do that much? What would happen to the Germanic tribes? The Roman Empires? What might the world look like?
I would raise two points: a) Would argue that the problems started earlier. At the latest the western empire was probably doomed once Constantine came to power and supported Christianity. Possibly by the very latest the failure of the 392 revolt by the western empire under Arbogast.
b) The problems with the Huns started long before Attilia's time. In the 370's the Huns were already driving the Goths and other Germans westwards, leading to the Gothic refugees that when drive to rebellion defeated the Romans at Adrianople in 378.
As such if Attilia or another leader failed to complete the unification of the Hunnic empire in the 440's it was already too late for the western empire, which was already largely occupied by groups lead by Germanic tribes.
So stopping the Huns in the 370s somehow would allow for the Great Migration to never take place? |
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Post by stevep on Jul 24, 2019 21:16:33 GMT
I would raise two points: a) Would argue that the problems started earlier. At the latest the western empire was probably doomed once Constantine came to power and supported Christianity. Possibly by the very latest the failure of the 392 revolt by the western empire under Arbogast.
b) The problems with the Huns started long before Attilia's time. In the 370's the Huns were already driving the Goths and other Germans westwards, leading to the Gothic refugees that when drive to rebellion defeated the Romans at Adrianople in 378.
As such if Attilia or another leader failed to complete the unification of the Hunnic empire in the 440's it was already too late for the western empire, which was already largely occupied by groups lead by Germanic tribes.
So stopping the Huns in the 370s somehow would allow for the Great Migration to never take place?
You would need something to stop them, possibly a powerful Rome allied with Gothic refugees to clash with them somewhere in the Bessarabia are although they might be too established by then. Or somehow the Goths manage to defeat then Huns themselves and remove them as a threat.
This may not stop the Germanic expansion into the empire however as the Germans had been growing in power and sophistication for a couple of centuries and the Goths themselves had been major raiders of the eastern empire by sea in the mid 3rd century while especially in the west Roman power and society seems to have been in decline.
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