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Post by Dan on Dec 1, 2019 10:20:47 GMT
I think earlier RAF Coltishall fell into enemy hands pretty much intact. Unpopular opinion: the Group Commander got it right.
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Post by James G on Dec 1, 2019 19:14:02 GMT
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The station commander may well be right about Marham, especially considering how well the planned attack was destroyed, in part by incompetence by elements of the attackers. However given the confusion over the overall situation and the political decision to retake central London ASAP it will seem like the right idea at the time.
Didn't any landings actually occur? I know that the bulk of the prepositioned forces on the ground were destroyed and hence most/all of the landing aids likewise. However considering that the landing forces would probably be in the air by then and that Moscow considers it a suicide mission anyway I would have thought that the paras would still be sent in at the least. Both because it would be simpler logistically and because while their going to get killed, probably in fairly short order, their still likely to cause a lot of further damage and confusion.
Did notice one small typo - "Marham was a shaped in a triangle fashion" unless you have a word or two missing which expands on it - something like facility say, that a seems redundant.
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If the attack had gone off as planned, it would have fallen in 15 to 30 minutes. Completely destroying it is a bit of overkill but as the time went on and no attack came, they really went for it. There were six airheads plotted for the attack though three of them - two airbases/airports and the heliport - were needed as the minimum. There were jets in the sky circling with paratroopers and RAF & NATO fighters. It was decided to call it off because those on the ground were showing no sign of contact and a hot reception party thus was expected. They still could have dropped but the plan built in the flexibility to abandon a dangerous landing if others were working. It probably would have been the best idea to go ahead regardless though. Those giving the higher orders in Moscow would have ordered the assault but tactical control was with the divisional commander who gives more of a damn about his people than the old men in Moscow do. You're right in what you say, but I went with a 'wave off' for that drop considering how other landings were meeting success. Ah, fixed that mistake. Thanks.
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Post by James G on Dec 1, 2019 19:17:09 GMT
I think earlier RAF Coltishall fell into enemy hands pretty much intact. Unpopular opinion: the Group Commander got it right. A little bit of damage was done at Coltishall but, in the main, the Soviets got themselves an excellent base for transport and fighter operations. There will be none of that at Marham. It was the right decision but there will be some who will call the withdrawal cowardice. Those there were expecting a BMD / Hind attack and their higher-ups feared a fully-functioning airbase in enemy hands. Unfortunately, as things will turn out, the detractors will be 'proved' right too because of the late capture of Marham. It will be said that it could have been fought for rather than everyone making a run for it.
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Post by James G on Dec 1, 2019 19:19:50 GMT
138 – Link-ups
It wouldn’t be until much later in the day until Soviet troops moved against RAF Marham. There needed to a gathering of strength beforehand, the commander of the 76th Guards Airborne Division decided, because all indications showed that a strong defence was going to be mounted there. Forming that strong force to make a move in that direction, one away from the airheads being used, took time. There were issues throughout the day with bringing in his division to Britain. Enemy interference in the air and on the ground played a factor. There was a different kind of interference as well. This came from the arrival into Norfolk of a significant KGB presence who were able to exert more influence here in Britain upon the VDV than they did upon the Soviet Army over on the Continent.
Completing a link-up between the spread-out units of the invading forces was an urgent priority. The various sites were spread across the eastern and western sides of Norfolk. Incoming British countermoves were expected soon and the only way to stop them was by concentration of forces. Pre-invasion planning had identified how this was to be done though this had to be adapted post-landing due to how things had so far gone. To move about troops, equipment and stores was done through various means. The 76th Guards Division had yet to bring in much of its own transport though there was use made of what they captured. Military and civilian vehicles, plus also a few helicopters and light aircraft, were thus put to use. While in the process of making the link-ups, the enemy was encountered. None of the resistance was significant. However, it was there at a time when the Soviets could still be considered especially exposed. They fought with scattered British ground forces and had a few engagements with armed civilians too who chose to oppose them. Overwhelming force was used in response: this was no time for messing around. In the eastern half of the county, the airheads at RAF Coltishall and Norwich Airport were located near to each other north of the small city which was Norwich. North Denes Heliport was down the main road from Norwich, sitting next to the coast. The routes between all three were soon secured. On the ground and in the air, Soviet paratroopers moved about as they secured their positions. Their enemy were men from the Territorial Army and Home Service Force. These were reservists though well-motivated as they fought for their home country. What those Britons didn’t have were heavy weapons. They were also still on the back foot too because they weren’t able to concentrate in numbers. Away to the west, the two captured airbases at RAF Sculthorpe and RAF West Raynham were also close to one another. The connection between the two had been secured early on though there remained a wide distance between where the VDV were here and those to the east. That gap was a patch of countryside. There was a road link though things were easier by air. The Soviets were quick to make use of what helicopters they had. There were those big ones that had come across the North Sea – firstly Mi-6s though also a couple of the Mi-26s – but also some civilian ones taken from North Denes. Their own small- & medium-sized helicopters were ones which were being air-delivered by heavy-lift transport aircraft. During this link up between the eastern and western airheads, a detachment of men in one of those captured helicopters landed at RAF Swanton Morley. This facility came with a trio of grass runways – in very good condition though use subject to weather conditions – and facilities including a tower, hangars, accommodation blocks and fuel tanks. The RAF used the place for gliding operations for trainee pilots and Swanton Morley had also seen air shows take place here in recent years. No defenders were encountered by the men who came out of a Bristow Helicopters AS-332 Super Puma. The airfield was in Soviet hands properly once a convoy of captured trucks turned up bringing in more riflemen. This now secure location right in the middle of the county was in the hands of the 76th Guards Division by midday. From here, the link-up was completed.
Aircraft were still coming across from the Continent into the held airheads. There were large jet transports, medium-sized propeller-driven transports and also many light aircraft. Those aircraft came across with more and more of the division. It was an airlift which was opposed. The British and their allies may not be flying combat aircraft of their own from Norfolk anymore but they had airbases elsewhere near and far. Incoming aircraft were being shot down before they could deliver their cargoes while others were being hit on the way back out: while empty, they were unable to make a return. Soviet fighters were yet to be based on British soil. There was an intention to do so and preparations were underway to make that happen. However, before that could be done, what friendly fighter cover that there was had to come from held airbases over in the Netherlands. Flight time over Britain was restricted due to fuel concerns. The running tally of transports lost had long gone past the point where the total was alarming. Some especially valuable aircraft were lost as well. These were the big An-22s and Il-76s which were lost: these huge aircraft were irreplaceable. The Soviet Air Force had a few extra large air-freighters sitting across on the Continent at airbases back on the other side of the Iron Curtain. In East Germany and even Poland, there were almost a dozen An-124s waiting for orders to fly. These were supposed to bring outsized cargoes into Britain with strategic SAM systems being the first cargoes. These jets had yet to make the flight though. They wouldn’t come until the enemy air threat had been significantly lowered. Those air defences would be missed come later in the day. The VDV had its own SAMs but nothing with the same capability as the weapons which were held up in this delay.
The other aircraft which were getting through quickly delivered the majority of the personnel being sent on the war’s first day. The movement of men was relatively easy, especially when it came to the loading and unloading of them. Equipment and stores were a different issue. This was where things took time. Organisation issues with the logistics of the movement of all of this air freight cropped up when they weren’t supposed to. Each loss of cargo in-flight was a blow too. The equipment that was arriving was coming here to support the paratroopers in action. The 76th Guards Division was a fully mechanised unit like the rest of the VDV’s combat formations were. This meant that they had hundreds of tracked armoured vehicles. The BMD-1 infantry combat vehicles and BTR-D armoured personnel carriers all came by airlift. Over Central London, they had been parachuted in but that wasn’t the case here in Norfolk. Other armoured vehicles such as self-propelled mortars and rocket launchers – 2S9s and BM-21Vs – arrived to give fire support to the paratroopers. A battalion of Soviet Army tanks, T-62s from an airmobile unit, were assigned to support the Norfolk mission. These took up much room on cramped transports and there were important weight considerations with such loads as a couple of dozen main battle tanks. There was heavy artillery too: D-20 howitzers. Trucks to act as prime movers for those towed guns were flown in. There were other towed heavy weapons – anti-tank guns, anti-aircraft guns – which needed vehicles to support them. Furthermore, there were many more light vehicles for a whole host of roles which came in too for used by the VDV as well as the Soviet Air Force too when they got operational on occupied soil. Helicopters came over with Mi-24 attack helicopters forming air cargoes as well as the ones for transport. Man-portable weapons were flown in with machine guns, mortars, rocket-launchers and missile-launchers. For all of the weaponry, ammunition was needed. Over the North Sea that all came… and there was a lot of it. Fuel was transported in deployable bladders. Food, medical supplies, radios etc came into Britain as well. There were stocks of barbed wire, mines and engineering tools. Mobile radars and radio antenna were sent. The undertaking was huge. Military exercises had practised all of this, but this was ‘live’ event and one which was opposed. On it went despite the opposition. This airlift had to continue otherwise the mission would be quickly over for those already here.
The airheads used at first for the arrival of transport aircraft were Coltishall and West Raynham. Norwich Airport was somewhere that there was a delay in using due to the burning fuel there causing so much smoke. At Sculthorpe, there had been an early attack made on the very first arriving transport with mortars. Ground operations had to secure the area first. Norwich Airport eventually came on-line though there remained problems with enemy opposition around Sculthorpe. Pre-invasion plans had called for a securing of a wide perimeter around each airhead to counter attacks on aircraft when they were flying low – in or out – and also when they were on the ground. Paratroopers in the immediate area searched for British forces and there was also to be patrols flown by light helicopters with spotters. A gunfight in the early afternoon between the VDV riflemen there and the enemy drew prisoners which were taken back to Sculthorpe. Those POWs were Americans, not Britons. A squadron of US Air Force Security Police had arrived at the airbase when the F-111s had and they had brought with them some M-29 mortars: they’d taken these out of the airbase when they’d been forced to withdraw this morning. A Spetsnaz officer took charge of the interrogation of the prisoners: the Soviet Airborne men let their comrade do his worst. Some information was yielded from the prisoners and off the riflemen went to act on it. They came across the Americans again and overcame them. Sculthorpe was declared open to incoming flights again. The first transport, an An-12, arrived safely and so did an An-26 behind it. These were medium transports. The third incoming arrival was a larger Il-76. One of these had been blown up earlier by mortars when carrying ammunition. This one had armoured personnel carriers aboard. No one shot as it when it came down nor when it was on the runway. Yet, once on the taxiway, there was the crump crump crump of incoming mortars though. Those were walked into the jet – it was a repeat of earlier – with the last of the trio making a hit on the cockpit. Sculthorpe was at once re-closed to incoming transports. There’d be hell to pay for those involved in giving the all-clear but also the captured prisoners as well. Not long afterwards, West Raynham also came very close to being closed as well. Coming into land was an Il-62, an airliner in Interflug colours but being used by the Soviet Air Force to bring in one hundred and fifty plus personnel to support ongoing ground operations at West Raynham. No one shot at the jet but it suffered a tyre burst upon landing. Only the actions of a calm, experienced pilot stopped a crash once on the ground. If he hadn’t kept control, and the worst had happened with a smash and a fire, the main runway could easily have been shut for some time. There was a smaller secondary runway yet the loss of the primary one would have really caused problems to air operations.
Away from the activity at the airheads and the link-ups taking place between them, the 76th Guards Division was also sending riflemen outwards through Norfolk too. Platoons, even squads, of paratroopers moved to support specialists from both VDV and Soviet Air Force detachments. They went to locations identified pre-invasion through either intelligence gathering or observations made from maps. Stocks of vehicle fuel were sought (they had their own but more was always better) and so too were telecommunications facilities. High ground was reached so that radio antenna and radars could be set up. These were being isolated outposts from the time being and were generally away to the north and east of the landing sites rather than to the south and west. The divisional commander was still weary of British activity and was taking care to expose forward units yet in areas where he thought that they would face stronger opposition. That wasn’t to say that his men didn’t find any of the enemy in what was regarded to be their own rear areas between their airheads and the sea though. There were still some British reservists about. These men were in small groups and cut off. Exchanges of gunfight with paratroopers took place when the two sites met each other. However, some of the Britons were already thinking of going to ground. They wanted to hit the Soviets from the rear when possible, once the invaders got comfortable. There were places where they could hide when using the local geography. The high ground of the Cromer Ridge and even the low-lying Norfolk Broads were where small numbers of men headed towards. How long they could successfully hide in such places and fight without external support didn’t appear to be that long, but there was a lot of determination to give it a go. While these soldiers were thinking of staying here and facing the enemy, many civilians were leaving. Until the Soviets got full control of Norfolk, they could do nothing to stop this. The flood of British civilians about to make themselves internal refugees would only benefit them at this point too. Thousands upon thousands of Britons were on the move. Norwich was the county’s biggest population centre though King’s Lynn and Great Yarmouth were home to many people who decided to flee the warzone as well. There were likewise many towns and villagers from where people started leaving. They went in all directions, in every mode of transport available or even on foot. Few of them had seen the invaders nor even the ongoing fighting directly, but away from it all they went. The upcoming problems that this would bring were going to be something significant soon enough for Britain to suffer with.
Marshal Ogarkov, commanding the war still raging in Western Europe, had no direct control over what was happening with the Red Eagle landings in Britain. It was something out of his hands. Over on the Continent, Ogarkov had managed to keep a tight rein on KGB activities which he regarded as detrimental to the war effort. It was a battle from which he had taken a few losses but in the main met success. When it came to the 15th Guards Airborne Corps’ commander, the KGB managed to outmanoeuvre him on the political playing field and arm-twist him into doing pretty much what they wanted. The KGB had political officers with the 76th Guards Division and there was also a separate detachment in theory reporting directly to the corps headquarters but were in fact wholly independent of any military control and who reported to Chairman Chebrikov himself. A full general of the KGB arrived early in the landings with dedicated subordinates. They were here to conduct ‘political warfare’… which would in the main mean the liquidation of anyone deemed to be an enemy. However, one of the first major operations when in Britain ordered by that general was a propaganda task. At Coltishall, he had the VDV assign him a platoon of riflemen and then charge was taken of several light aircraft. The pair of An-14s as well as a lone An-28 (the latter a newer version of the first: each one a small transport) weren’t flying back across to the Netherlands but instead took those riflemen and the general himself westwards across to the other side of Norfolk. The flight was conducted at low level over unfamiliar terrain. Much could have gone wrong from enemy action to a crash because of a navigation error. Nothing like that occurred though. Paratroopers were instructed to jump from the An-28 when over the target before that empty aircraft and then the troop-laden two others landed on a flat, open stretch of grass. That landing took place in the grounds of Sandringham House. This was more than ten miles from the nearest friendly troops at West Raynham. The paratroopers fought off a detachment of a handful of TA soldiers and when the general’s plane touched down, he arrived like an all-conquering hero. There was a camera crew complete with equipment to broadcast the images out. What was Sandringham House? It was one of the homes of Britain’s head of state. Did it have any military value? No, it didn’t: this was all about the propaganda that those back in Moscow wanted to beam around the world. Sandringham was in Soviet hands. After this mission, the general would be sending his personnel – always surrounded by paratroopers following KGB orders – elsewhere. There were some other large country houses which he would see taken (nothing on the scale of this one though) to be used for other purposes rather than showing the world the might of the Soviet Union. Norfolk had many historic buildings set in their own estates out in the countryside. The KGB didn’t want to loot them nor send pictures of them out but instead use them as holding sites for prisoners involved their political warfare mission. Holding sites would be one term: torture and murder sites was what they were really going to be.
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Post by elfastball7 on Dec 1, 2019 22:11:22 GMT
Really like this twist on a late 1980s WWIII. Will there be an update concerning the war on the Continent? Also, any plans for some instant sunshine?
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Post by James G on Dec 1, 2019 22:45:55 GMT
Really like this twist on a late 1980s WWIII. Will there be an update concerning the war on the Continent? Also, any plans for some instant sunshine? Thank you. I should have mentioned this but the plan is to stay focused on the fight in the UK for the first three days of the war there, then swing back to Europe and elsewhere for the simultaneous three days. Then we will begin the countdown to that insta-sun combining everything.
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Post by forcon on Dec 2, 2019 19:20:48 GMT
Good work. I second that about a twist on most 80s WW3 stories.
I would assume the British non-deployable brigades on home defence duties are deploying to East Anglia right now? They're mostly light infantry and lack artillery IIRC, as they were for primarily counter-SOF and home defence, so a fight against Russian paras is going to be tough if they are brought in.
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Post by James G on Dec 2, 2019 19:51:05 GMT
Good work. I second that about a twist on most 80s WW3 stories. I would assume the British non-deployable brigades on home defence duties are deploying to East Anglia right now? They're mostly light infantry and lack artillery IIRC, as they were for primarily counter-SOF and home defence, so a fight against Russian paras is going to be tough if they are brought in. Thank you. The 2nd Infantry Division is first on the way. They only have two brigades - the regular third one was the 24th which went to the Gulf - but they do have some artillery and armoured vehicles. I've found them some tanks... or should I say ' Panzers'? Other TA troops will be needed too though. There are also still regulars in the country who hadn't left yet because they weren't ready or Soviet general attacks had the unintended consequences of keeping them in Britain. Britain also asked for help from allies with there countries answering the call for troops. Not many overall, and there are far more Britons to fight, but the extra men will be helpful. I'll be moving to who those area and where they will go within the following days!
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Post by James G on Dec 2, 2019 19:52:40 GMT
139 – Bombing Norfolk
Tornado strike-bombers, each carrying a heavy weapon load, flew over Norfolk this evening. Their wings were swept back and the aircraft flew low, very low indeed. They closed in on targets here in this English county, ones which were occupied by invading forces. The plurality were flown by British aircrews though others had West Germans and even Italians aboard. They’d come from RAF Cottesmore which was an airbase in Rutland and near to Peterborough. There was a peacetime training unit based there: the Tri-national Tornado Training Establishment (TTTE). When the war had started, there had been talk of the West Germans going home to join the Luftwaffe over in their own country. As to the Italians, while their country was at war, the small Aeronautica Militare contribution was considered more valuable where it was. The West Germans hadn’t returned home and stayed where they were. From their British base, all of the Tornados, with their varied crews, flew offensive air missions over the Continent joining other RAF Tornados as well as American F-111s on semi-strategic deep strikes. Instructors and trainees flew bomb runs against Warsaw Pact targets with oftentimes aircrew of different nationalities in aircraft. The TTTE – retaining its name for the time being – had a high sortie rate on its combat missions. This was because there were many aircrew available for the Tornados so, as long as the ground crews could turn the aircraft around, they could go out on repeated strikes. The war had started with forty-eight aircraft being on-strength; by this evening, there were almost forty still in flying condition.
RAF Phantoms and US Air Force F-5s – the American air aggressor squadron from RAF Alconbury back in action again – went in ahead of the Tornados. Those were conducting fighter sweeps rather than escorting the bomb-laden strike aircraft. The enemy was met and Soviet fighters clashed with those British & Americans ones. Down below the air-to-air clashes, the Tornados rolled inwards. They were flying in daylight yet the low altitude and high speed was very dangerous. One wrong move and it would be a case of ‘uncontrolled flight into terrain’… something not appealing at all for those in the Tornados. They flew without radars though warning systems alerted the aircrews to enemy radars active. The Soviets had been busy during the day setting up radars. None were yet very powerful though nor up really high. Between and below the coverage of those radars, the strike-bombers went. This had been done over targets on the Continent and the TTTE had achieved remarkable successes through the divided Germanies. Now they were doing it over Britain. The experience of bombing Norfolk for them was something strange but they gave it all that they had. The air defences, such as they were at this early stage of Soviet entry, were bypassed and towards where they were going to put their bombs they went. The targets for the Tornados were those enemy-held airheads.
Many of the British-crewed Tornados went for RAF Coltishall. There had been a short fight there early this morning with some destruction caused by those on the ground ahead of capture but, in the main, the Soviets had gained a fully functioning airbase. Those who attacked it set to change that, permanently. Coming in from multiple directions all at once, the aircraft raided Coltishall. They dropped unguided high-explosive bombs and also made use of the JP233 anti-runway weapon to scatter area- denial submunitions. There were no Soviet fighters nearby. On the ground, the occupiers had managed to set up some air defences but those had been blindsided by how the attack was made and the speed of it all. The British were bombing Coltishall for only the briefest of windows. They dropped all of their bombs and flew off within a few minutes. One of the Tornados shot down an unarmed transport jet – a Yak-40 – on the way out where that aircraft was trying to get out of the way due to a sudden call of the attacking British. A Sidewinder air-to-air missile made a perfect impact and blew off a wing. The transport would crash into the countryside killing everyone aboard. The British had suffered zero losses of their own from hitting their lost airbase. The returning aircrews were confident that they had completely knocked it out of action, maybe for at least forty-eight hours.
Norwich Airport was also hit by RAF Tornados from Cottesmore though four of the Aeronautica Militare jets came with them too. These Italians had been alongside their British allies in bombing East Germany before and knew what they were doing. It was the Italian Tornados which went in first, dropping cluster bombs to smother man-portable air defence systems – light anti-aircraft guns and shoulder-mounted SAMs – before in came the RAF. High explosive bombs and anti-runway weapons were used again. The target was a large one though with the edges of the city right next to it, those Britons bombing their own country took a lot of care being this close to an urban area. Things happened very fast and visual identification of aircraft spotted on the ground at the airport was difficult, but the aircrew were sure that their falling bombs hit half a dozen transports below them. In addition, the airport facilities appeared to take a certain smashing too. Not all of the attackers escaped unscathed though. The airport’s immediate defences had been hit hard but the Soviets had other weapons elsewhere. They took down one of the British Tornados, one of the Italian ones and also hit a second Italian one to ensure that while its aircrew might get it home, it wouldn’t be flying anytime again soon.
It was the West Germans which raided the captured airbases at RAF Sculthorpe and RAF West Raynham. The Luftwaffe had, like the Italians, been doing this over East Germany though here found markedly less defended targets for the bombs which they dropped. General purpose 500lb bombs were the weapon of choice for their bomb runs though they had their MW-1 anti-runway weapons which ejected hundreds upon hundreds of submunitions too. The West Germans were right in the middle of doing this, using the aircraft to hit both bases which lay close to one another, when their radar warning systems went off. It wasn’t SAMs coming at them but air-launched missiles. There were MiGs in the sky! The last of the attacks were broken off and the Tornados scattered. Four of them were hit though – three fatally – before the rest could escape the presence of enemy fighters that had managed to avoid all of those nearby NATO ones. The West Germans, neither the British nor Italians, went after other Soviet airheads though. They didn’t know about the enemy making plenty of use of North Denes Heliport nor the grass runways at RAF Swanton Morley. Of course, these four targeted sites were the important ones but those other two weren’t on the target list for these bombing runs.
When it came to targeting for the strike made by the mass of offensive air power which was the TTTE, this wasn’t the only troubling issue with what had been done that was realised post-strike. Not enough reconnaissance had been done ahead of the attack. There had been a low-level flight conducted a few hours beforehand by a Jaguar which had dodged and weaved enemy missiles: it had also fired a Martel anti-radar missile against the lone air-search radar detected. Electronic emissions had been analysed as well as radar data. There were the reports which had come out from the ground too from those who’d managed to get out ahead of the airheads being overrun. What the British did in making the attack like they did, in daylight too, was dangerous. They knew that they didn’t have all the necessary information on what they faced. However, they reasoned that these were places that they physically knew. There was the certainty that the Soviets would have yet to bring in major air defences and they also believed that very soon there would be enemy fighters based at them. Hitting the Soviets now, early on, was regarded as being of great importance. When only five aircraft didn’t make it home – quiet expectation had been double that if things had gone very wrong – and the aircrews reported causing much damage, the British believed that they had achieved a great victory here. The Americans were going to be making some of their own air strikes later, in the hours of darkness, where they also would be bombing Norfolk. They were already flying reconnaissance missions where they used more aircraft ahead of their strikes than the British had done. The RAF would wait on the images which come back to have a look at the post-strike bomb damage assessment that the Americans were going to be able to provide for them when analysing what they were seeing. No one at Cottesmore was expecting the rude surprise which would later come from those images plus also something else on its way to them too.
From the five downed Tornados, seven of the ten aircrew flying them were killed either when their aircraft were hit or died from their injuries upon landing. The trio who survived ejection amounted to one of the RAF instructors from Cottesmore and a pair of West Germans. Escape and evasion was the name of the game for those who parachuted to the ground. The Briton managed to do so and would start walking southwards towards Suffolk where he’d find friendlies by the morning. The unfortunate West Germans ran into an enemy patrol though. In a short gunfight, one of them was killed before the other threw down his pistol and up his arms. Almost bayonetted to death regardless of his surrender by one of his captors, a sergeant pulled him aside. His life wasn’t spared out of the goodness of the heart of the VDV paratrooper though. Recognised as an aviator, he’d be a valuable prisoner who’d be full of information. That captive would join many other POWs already being held in Norfolk and none of them were going to walk away unscathed by the end of this.
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Post by James G on Dec 2, 2019 19:54:13 GMT
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Post by stevep on Dec 2, 2019 20:30:11 GMT
It makes sense to hit the captured airfields hard and early to both try and stem the flow of reinforcements and also to do so before too much air defence was installed and organised.
From the last sentence of the penultimate paragraph either they will find the attacks weren't as effective as they thought or their going to see something else arriving? Plus that bit about something heading their way is worrying.
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Post by James G on Dec 2, 2019 20:41:07 GMT
It makes sense to hit the captured airfields hard and early to both try and stem the flow of reinforcements and also to do so before too much air defence was installed and organised.
From the last sentence of the penultimate paragraph either they will find the attacks weren't as effective as they thought or their going to see something else arriving? Plus that bit about something heading their way is worrying.
This early on, air defences will still be patchy. There will be transports still coming in as well as men and gear out in the open around the airheads: perfect targets for low-level Tornado bomb runs. The British also know that soon the Soviets will start basing MiGs in Britain rather than having them make runs from across the North Sea. Going in now hard is the desire. Ah, we shall have to see what will happen but it will be coming soon.
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Post by Dan on Dec 2, 2019 21:25:14 GMT
I wonder what condition the HCU at RAF Wittering is in?
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Post by James G on Dec 2, 2019 22:42:32 GMT
I wonder what condition the HCU at RAF Wittering is in? I'm thinking that many OCUs would have formed mini-squadrons for deployments. I think they would have been sent to the Continent ahead of the Red Eagle drops. There are some Sea Harriers aboard the Ark Royal though and she's inbound for the Norfolk coast.
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Post by stevep on Dec 3, 2019 10:05:55 GMT
I wonder what condition the HCU at RAF Wittering is in? I'm thinking that many OCUs would have formed mini-squadrons for deployments. I think they would have been sent to the Continent ahead of the Red Eagle drops. There are some Sea Harriers aboard the Ark Royal though and she's inbound for the Norfolk coast.
Hopefully not too close as I fear she's not going to last long, either way I fear. Will be too much of a target and with her limited air strength even if she has a strong surface escort force.
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