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Post by Dan on Nov 28, 2019 11:14:25 GMT
Thank you. I've been waiting to write that for some time now. Its's the parks in the middle of the city: plus the tourist sites nearby! With Norfolk, the landing sites give the division employed geographical cover. They have the North Sea behind and on one flank with the lower reaches of the Ouse, plus The Fens (my geography here might not be perfect), on the other flank. The next objectives are ahead, the ones which you mention, to the south and southwest. Hitting the Suffolk coast didn't appeal to me because that gives wide flanks and this is a small force.You can bet on pretty much all of that.
One small quibble here. I don't think much of the native fen marshes are left. Virtually all drained to make such good farmlands. Very, very flat and open other than for the dykes that drain much of it. As such the Soviets might not find it good flank protection. The Broads might provide some cover but that's chiefly to the north I think so only has the sea behind them.
It could be that the Soviets expect the Fens to be the same as the Polder(?) - easily floodable as a defence and expect that to happen. While you could in theory do that, it wouldn't happen until around January or March when the snow melts, (late snow in East Anglia that winter). That's a mistake the Soviets may regret later.
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Post by James G on Nov 28, 2019 20:33:12 GMT
Excellent work! I've been skim-reading to catch up as I've been busy for a few days but I'll read properly soon. I haven't read the latest update yet so this is in response to the update before: I really like the initial landings, especially the use of Norwich Airport. I live fairly close to there and though I wasn't born then, an earlier TTL version of me would have been caught in the middle of it all. Thank you. As to Norwich, I lived there for a while - back in 2001 to 2003, eighteen months - though not really near the airport.
One small quibble here. I don't think much of the native fen marshes are left. Virtually all drained to make such good farmlands. Very, very flat and open other than for the dykes that drain much of it. As such the Soviets might not find it good flank protection. The Broads might provide some cover but that's chiefly to the north I think so only has the sea behind them.
[br I look at the map and I see water there. I was thinking of that river and then all those canals. It's not an impenetrable barrier but I thought it would aid flank defence. As said, my geographic knowledge here isn't that great. ] James
Are Ligachev and his cronies utterly suicidal? Even if there was any chance of holding London more than briefly its most likely to lead to a nuclear exchange. The Soviets have been lucky that the allies haven't responded with nukes so far but their now invading one nuclear state and rapidly approaching the borders of another one. Gambling that the west will continue to let them set the agenda no matter how reckless they get is going to fail sooner or later.
I'm a bit surprised, even with the chaos in Norfolk and the losses NATO has suffered in the air so far their got so much of their force actually into London. Even if there was uncertainty about what those a/c are and with the elements of government already evacuated I would have expected a major defence against a large scale attack on the capital and that also their overflying or within range of a fair amount of SAMs.
A good chapter on the chaos that's likely to result but the vultures are going to come home to roost for Moscow sooner or later.
Steve
They have a plan which they are sticking to. Nukes are on the table for the story too. I gave the Soviets a lucky break therefor the London op. I have had the mass air battles over Norfolk, the shooting down of RAF AWACS aircraft and all the hits on air defences, plus using a different route for the transports, but, yes, I helped the story move along with a cheat there too. The middle of London will need a new lick of paint etc after this!
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Post by James G on Nov 28, 2019 20:33:55 GMT
One small quibble here. I don't think much of the native fen marshes are left. Virtually all drained to make such good farmlands. Very, very flat and open other than for the dykes that drain much of it. As such the Soviets might not find it good flank protection. The Broads might provide some cover but that's chiefly to the north I think so only has the sea behind them.
It could be that the Soviets expect the Fens to be the same as the Polder(?) - easily floodable as a defence and expect that to happen. While you could in theory do that, it wouldn't happen until around January or March when the snow melts, (late snow in East Anglia that winter). That's a mistake the Soviets may regret later. My thinking is on the Ouse and all of those canals I see on the map. It isn't so much about the ground but the water barriers. If that's a mistake, its one on a long list for Soviet war aims!
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Post by James G on Nov 28, 2019 20:36:15 GMT
136 – Imperial Stormtroopers
Prime Minister Whitelaw and Defence Secretary Younger were both told that the initial reports of landings of Soviet personnel in Norfolk were commando raids, albeit on a large scale. There was a lot of confusion over what was happening there with false reports over where and where not there were paratroopers fighting on British soil. This was followed up by news from Central London: another commando raid was underway. British forces in each region were engaging the enemy, the politicians were told, and it was expected that while damage would be done, the commandos would be overcome or driven off. Whitelaw was down in Wiltshire and Younger was at Northwood. They were underground in protected sites though with good access to communications. The country’s senior military officers were in contact with them throughout the morning. The news changed: slowly at first then with rapidity. Younger was informed that this wasn’t looking like it had first seemed. Coming from the Chief of the General Staff (the head of the British Army), he naturally took note of what was being said though that general couldn’t give proper confirmation for some time. More information was coming out of the combat zones spread near to Norfolk airbases and Younger had to wait. Then it all came in a flurry. These weren’t commandos but at least a Soviet Airborne regiment, maybe more. There were more and more transports coming in to land at what were reported to be several captured airbases. With regards to London, the large number of troops there was a concern but it was all of the equipment being dropped which gave the game away. Commandos didn’t need armoured vehicles and heavy guns. Younger spoke with Whitelaw himself and passed on the news. Britain was being invaded. There were thousands of enemy soldiers, certainly more on the way too, inside the country and overrunning military and political sites. All attention needed to be directed to addressing this at once.
Everyone wanted information, the latest and most accurate news of what was happening. The politicians and the senior officers needed this so they could make the necessary decisions. Where were the enemy, what was their strength and where were they moving to next? Those below them in the command chain were under immense pressure to deliver what was wanted from above while simultaneously trying to react to the ongoing events. Troops of their own needed moving about and contact made with installations in the nearby areas. Time was wasted. There was still false information coming in too and, though they weren’t aware, everywhere the Soviets had made their landing sites wasn’t something that the British knew. Whitelaw himself came under external pressure where questions were asked of him for answers that he didn’t know. Reagan’s vice president, George Bush, was in contact: he wanted to know what was happening with the American airbases in Britain. There were nuclear weapons involved, ones which had been flown into RAF Sculthorpe yesterday. The United States didn’t want to once again lose such munitions. Whitelaw knew all about the top secret Empty Quiver event from the day before. Thirteen aircraft-delivery gravity bombs had been lost when Leeuwarden was taken by the Soviets. That airbase in the Netherlands wasn’t a site where the Americans had deployed thermonuclear bombs in peacetime, but they had some there before Soviet tanks rolled in. The US Air Force had flown some into Sculthorpe too. The British Armed Forces didn’t have a special codename for the loss to the enemy of nuclear weapons but they had lost some too. Overnight, a convoy of nuclear shells for heavy guns with the Royal Artillery’s 50th Missile Regiment had been ambushed on the ground while moving through Belgium. Everyone was dead and four nuclear shells were gone. What did the Soviets want with British nuclear weapons – and American ones too – when they had their own? There were all sorts of nightmare scenarios imaginable to the British Government, the Americans and their NATO partners. Whitelaw could only tell Bush that he had the same information that was being made available to his friend across the ocean: there was fighting near to Sculthorpe. In addition, Whitelaw mentioned that the RAF had its own bombs at a nearby airbase – RAF Marham – and while that location had yet to be attacked, it was very near to where the Soviets were. Britain was going to expend whatever effort was needed to keep those weapons of its own and those belonging to its ally out of enemy hands.
Sculthorpe fell not long after the trans-Atlantic phone call. The Pentagon knew before Northwood did, quite something considering that that airbase was in Britain not the United States. British and American personnel had made a withdrawal and they had removed the nuclear weapons from there. They were on the run though, fleeing from an enemy which was growing in strength while on the ground. Younger was told about this at the same time as the latest report came in from Central London confirming that locations such as Buckingham Palace, Downing Street and the Houses of Parliament each had Soviet soldiers there. There was a scattered mix of British troops fighting throughout the heart of the capital but they were on the back foot with an enemy all around them. The Chief of the General Staff considered Norfolk over London to be the biggest threat, the issue which needed addressing the most. Younger understood fully the implications of what was going on in East Anglia but he was also seriously concerned about the nation’s capital. The defence secretary had been made aware of what the Soviets had done with the propaganda games after capturing Bonn and Amsterdam: he correctly anticipated that they would be getting images out to the world of London in Soviet hands. Whitelaw agreed that this was likely and that it really would have a negative effect upon the country to have occupying troops appearing to have free rein of the historic centre of London for the world to see. One of the prime minister’s aides with him deep below Wiltshire brought him up to speed on the Soviet’s paratroopers. The term used to describe them was ‘Imperial Stormtroopers’. It was a Star Wars reference… not an accurate one to be honest. Regardless, those VDV troops were elite soldiers sent on high-risk, important missions. They wouldn’t have been sent all the way to Britain to be wasted: the Soviets were out to take Britain with what men they had sent here, banking on the country having the majority of its forces elsewhere. To do that, they were using their best men with no intention of using them unsupported.
In a telephone conference involving Whitelaw, Younger, a couple of other ministers & the top-level military officers, a plan of action was formulated. There would be effort directed to counter the twin invasion sites rather than just focusing on one of them. Each was regarded as important. Enemy presence in London was small and up in Norfolk it was larger, yet each would get equal importance in efforts to force a defeat of those who had landed in Britain. The Chief of the General Staff voiced disagreement over this but his uniformed superior, the admiral serving as Chief of the Defence Staff (heading all three armed services) and the politicians especially were unconvinced by his argument that London was just a distraction operation for Norfolk. They didn’t believe that the southernmost landing needed to be treated as such with only screening forces sent to the capital. Orders went out for that plan to deal with the invaders. Troops, aircraft and ships were issued instructions. The naval element involved turning around the carrier HMS Ark Royal from its projected Norwegian Sea mission and using it in the North Sea. In the skies, RAF aircraft were going to be sent to bomb British soil itself. British troops preparing to leave the country to join the still-raging fight on the Continent would converge instead on the Soviet landing zones. When it came to those troops, that meant that the 2nd Infantry Division – a TA unit much delayed in transit but now ready to start moving towards the Southern Netherlands by way of Belgium ports – wasn’t going overseas. Nor was the 1st Infantry Brigade either: the ships which its gear was aboard had cleared The Solent a few hours before but were to turn around to go back to Southampton. Furthermore, Britain made a request from allies for more men too. Whitelaw didn’t feel that there was any shame in asking for help at a time like this. Three NATO partner nations offered troops (one able to send more men than the other two) with the United States, Canada and Portugal all going to be quick to deploy those soldiers.
When they discovered this, Stavka, the Soviet high command, would be pleased. Operation Red Eagle was all about winning the war on the Continent. Now NATO countries were rushing men towards the fighting on British soil. Their own men there, those VDV super-soldiers – not Imperial Stormtroopers though –, were outnumbered already and that inbalance in forces would only increase, but the ultimate goal was being fulfilled.
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Post by James G on Nov 28, 2019 20:41:03 GMT
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Post by lordroel on Nov 28, 2019 20:49:19 GMT
No wonder they chose the name Broken Arrow for the movie, the term Empty Quiver is not going to get you any people to watch.
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Post by James G on Nov 28, 2019 20:59:26 GMT
No wonder they chose the name Broken Arrow for the movie, the term Empty Quiver is not going to get you any people to watch. That's gotta be why!
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Post by stevep on Nov 29, 2019 9:30:50 GMT
It could be that the Soviets expect the Fens to be the same as the Polder(?) - easily floodable as a defence and expect that to happen. While you could in theory do that, it wouldn't happen until around January or March when the snow melts, (late snow in East Anglia that winter). That's a mistake the Soviets may regret later. My thinking is on the Ouse and all of those canals I see on the map. It isn't so much about the ground but the water barriers. If that's a mistake, its one on a long list for Soviet war aims!
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Yes there are the dykes and the like used for drainage but - well were I come from anyway - their not massive and often dry unless in wet periods. However would probably disrupt cross country vehicle movement. Also since the agricultural areas are so flat then vehicles are going to be visible for a long way so vulnerable to ATMs.
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Post by stevep on Nov 29, 2019 9:40:26 GMT
James Well so far the Soviet plan is working. Not only is the British leadership misreading the attack as a full scale invasion but their splitting their forces to try and attack both while still allowing Moscow to set the agenda. Its also going to be bloody, both for British forces and civilians caught in the region to remove dug in forces in an urban location.
Sooner or later the west is going to start thinking of the wider picture but unfortunately with how deluded the Soviets are and how much their got away with, I fear they won't accept a warning to withdraw without escalating further. Which is going to cause a lot of deaths.
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Post by Dan on Nov 29, 2019 14:04:23 GMT
Will Whitelaw authorise a nuclear response within the UK?
What if somewhere like Porton Down was threatened?
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Post by amir on Nov 29, 2019 15:52:14 GMT
The drained and cultivated fens aren’t bad country for moving light tracked vehicles in. Clearly you’re going to want to avoid the remaining wetland (“tanks don’t go where cattails grow”). The dykes and drainage will probably be more problematic for motorized forces than vdv mechanized forces- the bmd has extremely light ground pressure and can cross gaps by virtue of design- wheels will be more restricted to firmer ground and established crossings. Heavy tracks- mbts, aevs, arvs, and heavy spg will be less mobile and more tied to roads. One side or the other may well engage in hasty demolition of fording sites and culverts to deny freedom of maneuver to the other (a fixed 40lb ammotol charge in a standard 12 foot traveled way culvert is sufficient to completely crater it). Bridges over the unfordable rivers will become decisive to both sides maneuver.
The battle may become a “war of the crossroads”. The fenlands are crisscrossed with relatively dense road network that affords great mobility and latitude to move and mass forces- even the tracked vdv will want them for the mobility advantages a road brings. The small villages at the junctions going to be key terrain both for their ability to afford efficient control of a number of converging routes and the cover afforded by the buildings. The other piece of key terrain will be the small number of hills- the fens afford great visibility because they are relatively open and flat. However, ATGM fields of fire are limited because of the hedgerows and windbreaks lining roads and the perimeter of fields. Elevated ground affords opportunity to use heavy atgm (Swingfire, Spandrel, TOW class out to maximum range by increasing flight distance before wire entanglement in obstacles or water immersion becomes a factor. Buildings in villages will also help to overcome this. The other piece of using the villages (esp the elevated ones) is the concealment it offers to air defense systems- you can build a network of manpads and light aaa in and around villages that help canalization aircraft into predictable routes for engagement by better systems.
I’d be interested to see how much refugee traffic is generated by the Soviet operations- road clearing may become a challenge for both sides.
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Post by James G on Nov 29, 2019 20:06:59 GMT
My thinking is on the Ouse and all of those canals I see on the map. It isn't so much about the ground but the water barriers. If that's a mistake, its one on a long list for Soviet war aims!
James
Yes there are the dykes and the like used for drainage but - well were I come from anyway - their not massive and often dry unless in wet periods. However would probably disrupt cross country vehicle movement. Also since the agricultural areas are so flat then vehicles are going to be visible for a long way so vulnerable to ATMs.
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I agree. They aren't wide and can be forded easily but they present some flank protection. My thinking is that too much stock will be put in them by the Soviets and the British will 'step over' them to hit the flanks hard. James Well so far the Soviet plan is working. Not only is the British leadership misreading the attack as a full scale invasion but their splitting their forces to try and attack both while still allowing Moscow to set the agenda. Its also going to be bloody, both for British forces and civilians caught in the region to remove dug in forces in an urban location.
Sooner or later the west is going to start thinking of the wider picture but unfortunately with how deluded the Soviets are and how much their got away with, I fear they won't accept a warning to withdraw without escalating further. " src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/superangry.png"] Which is going to cause a lot of deaths.
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Sense should hopefully break out once they get a better read on what has come in... and what hasn't too. The middle of London will become a war zone and it will be major casualties for urban fighting among opposing troops though there wouldn't be that many civilian around. The later escalation will be rather terrible for a lot of people. Will Whitelaw authorise a nuclear response within the UK? What if somewhere like Porton Down was threatened? I'd think if things got to that point, he'd have to. No leader would ever want to blow nuclear holes in their own country though. The drained and cultivated fens aren’t bad country for moving light tracked vehicles in. Clearly you’re going to want to avoid the remaining wetland (“tanks don’t go where cattails grow”). The dykes and drainage will probably be more problematic for motorized forces than vdv mechanized forces- the bmd has extremely light ground pressure and can cross gaps by virtue of design- wheels will be more restricted to firmer ground and established crossings. Heavy tracks- mbts, aevs, arvs, and heavy spg will be less mobile and more tied to roads. One side or the other may well engage in hasty demolition of fording sites and culverts to deny freedom of maneuver to the other (a fixed 40lb ammotol charge in a standard 12 foot traveled way culvert is sufficient to completely crater it). Bridges over the unfordable rivers will become decisive to both sides maneuver. The battle may become a “war of the crossroads”. The fenlands are crisscrossed with relatively dense road network that affords great mobility and latitude to move and mass forces- even the tracked vdv will want them for the mobility advantages a road brings. The small villages at the junctions going to be key terrain both for their ability to afford efficient control of a number of converging routes and the cover afforded by the buildings. The other piece of key terrain will be the small number of hills- the fens afford great visibility because they are relatively open and flat. However, ATGM fields of fire are limited because of the hedgerows and windbreaks lining roads and the perimeter of fields. Elevated ground affords opportunity to use heavy atgm (Swingfire, Spandrel, TOW class out to maximum range by increasing flight distance before wire entanglement in obstacles or water immersion becomes a factor. Buildings in villages will also help to overcome this. The other piece of using the villages (esp the elevated ones) is the concealment it offers to air defense systems- you can build a network of manpads and light aaa in and around villages that help canalization aircraft into predictable routes for engagement by better systems. I’d be interested to see how much refugee traffic is generated by the Soviet operations- road clearing may become a challenge for both sides. It really will be a battle of the crossroads in Norfolk: see the story's first post. Both sides will have few tanks though there will be tracked armoured vehicles used. Still, it will be a mainly infantry fight with each side using air and artillery support. Any armoured units racing far out ahead are likely to be spotted, yes, and come under fire with little cover. Great description of the challenges of terrain here! I'll keep it in mind. Ah, yes, civilian refugees. Something I will address as part of tomorrow's update for sure.
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Post by James G on Nov 29, 2019 20:07:51 GMT
137 – Save the nukes!
The station commander at RAF Marham was a group captain. He had under his command several thousand personnel. Marham had been engaged in war activities for several days. There were many additions to the usual, peacetime strength of the station and this included those available for the defence of Marham. In the early hours, there had been an engagement with unknown individuals nearby. In speaking with the senior RAF Regiment officer afterwards, the group captain was told that four men in British uniform had been shot dead: they were at a sportsground where it appeared they had been setting up a landing site for incoming paratroopers. The gunfight had killed three British soldiers and left another trio badly hurt. It had also not yielded any prisoners for interrogation. The belief at that time had been that there was a commando raid incoming which had been stopped by swift action. Soviet forces then landed in number at other Norfolk airbases starting at dawn and assaulted them: they were at RAF Sculthorpe and RAF West Raynham nearby. That shooting incident had surely forestalled a direct assault on Marham too. In the following hours, more of those RAF Regiment personnel, from the company-sized 58 Squadron, were dispatched to head towards Sculthorpe though were engaged on the way and failed to relieve the Anglo-American defenders. With hindsight, the group captain realised that that had been a major mistake. It was only a flight sent – in effect a platoon – but this weakened Marham’s defences. He’d lost five armoured vehicles along with more than two dozen men. While the Soviet paratroopers had failed to arrive by air near to Marham, the station commander now believed that they would come overland. The intention of the group captain was to defend Marham against that.
There were those RAF Regiment regulars (a couple more armoured vehicles along with riflemen), RAuxAF reservists and men with the RAF Police who were all able to form a defensive force. In addition, to support them there were RAF personnel themselves, including reservists who’d reported here upon mobilisation, who were quickly armed as well. Tornado GR1 strike-bombers were flying out of Marham as the morning went on and heading for airbases some distance away while there was also the movement of certain personnel as well. The group captain also ordered the evacuation of all female personnel present too. None of them were in combat roles and he wanted it to stay that way. Engineers were instructed to prepare demolitions: blowing up the fuel stocks and what ammunition couldn’t be pulled out was the priority though there were other charges being laid too. Then there were the nuclear weapons here. In each of the twenty-four Hardened Aircraft Shelters, there was the ability to securely store four WE.177 bombs. Even before he received orders to do so, the station commander was seeking to get those which were at Marham out of here. To lose them to the enemy wasn’t something he intended to see done. Those nukes would be saved from capture.
Marham was shaped in a triangle fashion. A large, open facility in the middle of the countryside, it was somewhere with no natural defences given by geography. The task for the defenders was going to be quite something. Efforts got underway to make a fight to take the place extremely difficult for the expected attacker. Men and weapons were spread out and improvised shelter prepared. Chemical weapons had been used in missile strikes against the UK in previous days and while there were no reports that any had been used in Norfolk this morning, it was expected that they would be a factor in a Soviet assault. Protection for all personnel against gas was issued. Time ticked by. Midday approached. The Soviets had still yet to show up. The defences were getting stronger all the time. What the group captain wanted though was reinforcements. He wanted to know where the British Army was. Communications with higher headquarters were patchy – it appeared that saboteur action had done much damage to links – but in contact with No. 1 Group HQ at RAF Upavon in distant Wiltshire, the station commander was informed that there was going to be no available assistance today from the British Army. Furthermore, he received instructions come one o’clock that afternoon which changed everything. 1 Group wanted Marham to be abandoned, not fought over.
While he disagreed with the assessment that RAF Marham should be evacuated of everyone without a fight, the group captain obeyed the order. His own subordinates questioned the wisdom of it too, especially the commander of 58 Squadron. Regardless, the order stood. Marham was thus going to be lost but nothing of value would be left to the enemy. Such things had been done in recent days over on the Continent with other RAF stations and also NATO airbases, though with varying degrees of success achieved.
The aircraft shelters were dome-shaped structures built with reinforced concrete. They were designed to protect aircraft and personnel inside from attack. Truly destroying them was possible in terms of demolitions though would require a lot of explosives. Those given the order to make them unusable to the enemy today didn’t have enough charges nor the time to do this so they improvised. The shelters had doors on two sides and charges were set against these when they were partially open. Blasts occurred, causing great damage and ensuring that not one shelter would be sealed as it was designed to. The aviation fuel tanks but especially the valves for use and the control systems were targeted for destruction too. Small charges went off and big fires started. With the ammunition that there wasn’t enough transport to get out of Marham, charges were laid inside the magazine stores though they would be the last to be set off. Damage was done to communications links and computers as well as every piece of paper in sight being thrown into burn bins. Rather than destroy facilities such as the tower and large hangars with the limited on-hand explosives, they were set alight. Several bombs were placed out on the runways and taxiways. The RAuxAF unit had some men designated as snipers. Again, there was a wait to see those bombs shot at with the intention of blowing them up but that was to be done at the end. Fuel trucks, starter vehicles and mobile engineering equipment was gathered up. What was going out of Marham would go but what wasn’t would too be blown up in one big explosion. There were damaged Tornados at the airbase, ones which had limped home after being hit when on combat missions. If they couldn’t fly out of here then they were to be destroyed as well. The destruction here moved beyond just the direct military-tied equipment and infrastructure. The power and water links were taken too. In the mess kitchens, personnel took the effort to ensure that perishable & non-perishable food was ruined. The base hospital was likewise left unusable with medicines and equipment destroyed. A lot of what was being done at Marham was improvised yet there was a planning document long ago drawn up for how to disable base facilities in the face of capture in wartime. No one had ever thought that such a thing would occur here at this airbase in the middle of Norfolk, but the situation had come about and thus this planning had been more than helpful.
The last of the flyable Tornados were gone. Evacuations of personnel had taken place. The nuclear bombs had been saved and were likewise gone from Marham. There were fires raging at the airbase and several explosions had already taken place. What defenders were left still hadn’t seen the enemy. Many wanted to stay and fight, no matter what damage was being done to RAF Marham. Orders came for them to start pulling back though and likewise making a staged retreat. Then the final round of destruction came. Massive explosions rocked the airbase. The ammunition stores were blown and then afterwards those bombs left out on the runways & taxiways went off. With one of the latter blasts, some personnel disobeyed instructions and came too close: seven were killed by shrapnel when huge holes were ripped in the ground. Only now, with all that could be done completed, the RAF finally pulled the last of their men away. The group captain was one of the last to go. He and his men abandoned the destroyed airbase without seeing the enemy. There would be adverse comment from many quarters afterwards at such a thing.
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Post by stevep on Nov 30, 2019 12:35:31 GMT
Will Whitelaw authorise a nuclear response within the UK? What if somewhere like Porton Down was threatened?
I would say the logical response is a warning shot inside the USSR, assuming that Moscow ignores a warning. That gets the message through to them that Britain is serious and that that have pushed their luck far too far.
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Post by stevep on Nov 30, 2019 13:18:46 GMT
James
The station commander may well be right about Marham, especially considering how well the planned attack was destroyed, in part by incompetence by elements of the attackers. However given the confusion over the overall situation and the political decision to retake central London ASAP it will seem like the right idea at the time.
Didn't any landings actually occur? I know that the bulk of the prepositioned forces on the ground were destroyed and hence most/all of the landing aids likewise. However considering that the landing forces would probably be in the air by then and that Moscow considers it a suicide mission anyway I would have thought that the paras would still be sent in at the least. Both because it would be simpler logistically and because while their going to get killed, probably in fairly short order, their still likely to cause a lot of further damage and confusion.
Did notice one small typo - "Marham was a shaped in a triangle fashion" unless you have a word or two missing which expands on it - something like facility say, that a seems redundant.
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