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Post by stevep on Nov 19, 2019 19:59:40 GMT
Sarah is just massively out of her depth. But then if she'd been trained purely for espionage then there's no need for her to learn anything about combat as the biggest part of her job is to pass unnoticed. She's just gone over the top again and again. That is the case indeed. The espionage mission was what they were here for then the GRU took them off the HVA for one job, not caring that they weren't trained nor ready!
Good point above although I suspect their likely to be the 1st to die, one way or another. Both because their not trained in surviving in such circumstances and because both other groups are likely to kill them on general principle when things go pear shaped, either out of paranoia or to prevent them and their information falling into British hands.
Sounds like there are some interesting times ahead for them all and definitely in the old Chinese curse variant. Good that we do get a happy ending however.
She actually surprised me with the poison although then fouled it up by going after them with a gun. Too many things could have gone wrong and promptly did. Well the bad guys are three down and with a lot of mistrust about now. Hopefully someone will react to the noise although since nothing's happened by midnight it seems not at the moment.
John's position is now 'interesting'. Unless he's rash enough to believe an invasion of Britain can succeed, despite it being a nuclear power I can't see how he can get a safe escape so not sure what he's planning. By this time he should realise both he and Sarah are totally expendable to the Russians. Also he mistrusts Sarah, although actually she was trying to help him and quite possibly saved his life as if he had lead "Adam and Norton" to the commando's camp they might all have ended up dead.
My initial plan the other day was poison before I changed it to a gun. A rethink made me use both because she is supposed to be dangerous and irrational! There will be British military activity in the area regardless, now increased because of all of this. Escape for John can just mean finding somewhere to hide and to act innocent. Post war he could probably get away if he hasn't been discovered. She was trying to help him, yes, but only put him in more danger. All of this craziness, spies killing each other and mass paranoia, will matter for nothing though. An invasion is inbound and that will change everything! Guys, I can't do an update. My PC has erased MS Word. It's sent my notes and the ability to compose an update into a black hole. I'll have to spent the rest of the night trying to fix this mess. I have no idea when I can fix this: be it tonight, tomorrow or whenever. Bare with me and wait.
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Damn! Bad news and best of luck with the recovery. No hurry and get it done when its convenient to you.
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Post by lordroel on Nov 19, 2019 20:08:29 GMT
Guys, I can't do an update. My PC has erased MS Word. It's sent my notes and the ability to compose an update into a black hole. I'll have to spent the rest of the night trying to fix this mess. I have no idea when I can fix this: be it tonight, tomorrow or whenever. Bare with me and wait. No problem James G, take you time, and i know how you feel about the PC eating up something you have created.
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Post by lordbyron on Nov 19, 2019 21:07:02 GMT
Sorry to hear that, James G; hope you can fix the mess...
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Post by James G on Nov 19, 2019 21:38:12 GMT
She's just gone over the top again and again. That is the case indeed. The espionage mission was what they were here for then the GRU took them off the HVA for one job, not caring that they weren't trained nor ready! My initial plan the other day was poison before I changed it to a gun. A rethink made me use both because she is supposed to be dangerous and irrational! There will be British military activity in the area regardless, now increased because of all of this. Escape for John can just mean finding somewhere to hide and to act innocent. Post war he could probably get away if he hasn't been discovered. She was trying to help him, yes, but only put him in more danger. All of this craziness, spies killing each other and mass paranoia, will matter for nothing though. An invasion is inbound and that will change everything! Guys, I can't do an update. My PC has erased MS Word. It's sent my notes and the ability to compose an update into a black hole. I'll have to spent the rest of the night trying to fix this mess. I have no idea when I can fix this: be it tonight, tomorrow or whenever. Bare with me and wait.
James
Damn! Bad news and best of luck with the recovery. No hurry and get it done when its convenient to you.
Steve
No problem James G, take you time, and i know how you feel about the PC eating up something you have created. Sorry to hear that, James G; hope you can fix the mess... Fixed. I did a recovery and went back in time 24hrs with that. So I am now a time traveller but one who is able to write.
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Post by James G on Nov 19, 2019 21:40:36 GMT
The Britons; ten
Soviet paratroopers were coming at first light tomorrow. John checked the message a second time, then a third too. There was no mistake. This message – an innocuous but conversely clear communication – said that it would be tomorrow morning that the pathfinders needed to be ready to guide-in the landing of however many thousands of armed men due to arrive. Just as first Morgan and then Vanya had said, this was the only notice and it wasn’t something that could be delayed by whatever circumstances there were on the ground. He sat down on the floor. John needed a minute or two… maybe a lot longer than that. Sarah was standing beside him. She kept saying one word over and over again: ‘no’. She could say that as many times as she wanted, John told himself and then her afterwards. It didn’t matter what she did or even did. It was happening regardless. The invasion – or the strategic raid as Morgan said it actually was going to be – was all set to occur in just a few hours. Sarah wouldn’t shut up and give him the necessary time to clear his head. She kept repeating that it couldn’t happen and needed to be delayed. She was pacing up and down saying that it was impossible for any landing here to be successful, not with all that had gone on. John successfully fought the urge to tell her that ‘all that had gone on’ had in the main been down to her. His wife had shot Morgan, the man who had come here to make all of this work. It was her that had gotten Leah killed and Leah was needed just as much as Morgan was. It was her that had started shooting earlier in the woods, leading to the increased military activity that they knew would be certainly out there now. Sarah asked him if they should leave. Would it be possible for them to just leave and let what would happen occur without them? Finally, he responded to her. Didn’t she have family back home like he did? What would be the consequences for them should the two of them, Gunter and Sabine, not John and Sarah, desert like she was suggesting? Unsurprisingly, Sarah didn’t argue that point. All that could be done, he told her, was for them to complete their mission. If they did what they were supposed to, they could get to safety afterwards without leaving Vanya’s men in the lurch leading to a sure-fire later discovery where there would be personal consequences for them. Again, Sarah said nothing back. John was glad that she didn’t. He didn’t know if he could convince her of his sincerity in the two of them managing to get away. He intended to but John had no desire to find safety alongside her… not after all the lives she was responsible for taking and Sarah’s recent absolute insanity in endangering them.
There was a plan to follow. John took charge of seeing it through. The radio was broken down and he had Sarah strip the house of everything else that needed to be removed from here. He put her to work removing weapons and equipment from where all that was located throughout the house and taking it into the garden at the rear near the side gate. He himself went to the bedroom window, the one with the wide view out over the open countryside behind them. There was no natural light – clouds were covering whatever moonlight there might be – so he used the night-vision gear. It was something fancy, something foreign. The battery was running low (he’d forgotten to charge it) but there was enough power for the time being. Slowly, carefully, John sought to see all that he could. He was looking for groups of British soldiers on patrol either on foot or in light vehicles. There was nothing he could see of that. Part of him was glad but he was also concerned. To see activity meant that he would know where it was. To not see anything meant that it might be there unobserved and thus something he could stumble into. He put the sighting device back on charge (he’d give it a bit more power from the main’s supply) and then went to where the Land Rover was parked at the side of the house. It was a chilly night outside. Summer was still officially here but there was a breeze blowing cold air. John didn’t like that. It didn’t make him feel comfortable. Without turning on the headlights – though not being able to do anything about the noise – John backed the vehicle up as far as he could. He opened up the boot. Sarah was there and she opened the gate. Without saying anything between them, they swiftly loaded everything she had gathered up into the rear of the vehicle. Sarah handed him a pistol. He shook his head and turned away. Back into the house he went, upstairs to get that night vision gear. It’s power supply had only increased a bit but it was more than it had been before. He took that with him and left the house. John told himself that this was probably going to be the last time he was in here. Never a home, the house had been where they had lived for some time. He’d miss it. The dogs, Lady and Max, were let out into the garden. He’d miss them too but couldn’t take either. Sarah was in the driver’s seat and, once he got in beside her, she drove away.
Though she saw no one, Sarah was certain that she was being seen by everyone. From every window, there had to be eyes looking outwards at the noise being made by her driving the Land Rover away from the house, past several houses, and then down the lane which ran beside the Royal Oak. She could only hope that the nosy people sure to be watching thought that she and John were moving their vehicle up to the pub (for whatever reason) and not taking it and themselves far from here. She wished that some of those infernal RAF jets from the airbase would be flying over to hide all the noise being made but she wasn’t that lucky. With a mandated blackout and Sarah now taking them off-road, there was no choice but to turn on the headlights. John had dimmed them yesterday – one of Morgan’s instructions – but she could only imagine how bright they still were. Attention would be drawn to their vehicle as it went away from the edges of Narborough. John asked her if she was sure she knew the way. She told him that she did, keeping her answer short & unsweet. This was now a time for concentration. Sarah had to pay full attention to where she was going. She kept the speed down as they cut across a field and towards the gate ahead. Spotting that with ease, she slowed down. John was out of the vehicle the very second Sarah brought the vehicle to a stop. He opened the gate and she drove forward through it. There was another country lane ahead. Sarah brought the Land Rover to a halt again while John re-closed that gate. Something inside her head said ‘go!’. She paid no attention. Abandoning John and driving far away from here just wasn’t tempting when she thought of her daughters back home in East Germany. He was back inside the vehicle soon enough and Sarah drove onwards. A few minutes later, there was another gate to go through and another field to cross to reach another exit point. This was farmer’s country but there were no animals wandering about. Sarah kept the speed low despite the urge to go faster. All sorts of hidden dangers were waiting in the darkness and she had no desire to blunder into them.
The trip took fifteen minutes. In a straight line and at a decent speed, the Land Rover could have covered it in a third of that time. The safest way to do this, the only way to make this trip, was by following the route taken though and that meant going carefully. John got out of the vehicle when she stopped and disappeared into the trees. He had a whistle with him to attract the attention he sought. Once more, Sarah had that thought about driving off. It could still be done even at this late stage. She didn’t though. She sat where she was in the darkness. The engine, and thus the headlights, were off while she waited. There was a pistol in her lap to keep her safe. John had agreed with Vanya that this was a meeting place where his men would pass by at selected times. How they had come to agree on those details, she didn’t know. Yet this was the place and this was the time. John had gone out here into the darkness with just that whistle. She wished he had taken the gun she offered him. Sarah waited and waited some more. Her mind ran over ideas as to what to do if something went wrong. The majority of those ideas began with her firing her pistol.
It was Kolya whom John met with, the Soviet commando whom he and Sarah had previously agreed was Vanya’s second-in-command. There was another man with Kolya and he gave the distinct impression of being keen to shoot John just for being here. Kolya was told what was happening. John impressed upon him the time restrictions. He repeated back to John all that he was told to make sure the details were exact. John was then instructed to unload everything that he and his wife had brought with him next to the roadway in the undergrowth on the northern side: Kolya would find it there when he returned with his comrades. With this all arranged, John informed the pathfinder that he would now do as Vanya had previously told him and take himself plus his vehicle to the next pre-arranged location. Kolya asked who was in that vehicle with him. Just his wife, John replied; two of them as had been agreed beforehand. Kolya gave him a suspicious look and asked him if he was certain about that. Neither he nor Vanya would be happy to find anyone else with them and if that was the case, should there be a surprise guest, then unfortunate things would occur. John assured him that it was just the two of them and no one else. So, as Kolya said, he would only find John with whom he described as the woman with brown hair, a large bosom & a black heart. John confirmed that again. It certainly would be a woman with a black heart whom he was with.
The pair of Soviets went one way, John went the other. He walked directly back to the vehicle without making any diversions or suddenly increasing his pace. He could feel the two armed men nearby at all times: he was sure that they were following close with their assault rifles at the ready. He half expected to find Sarah gone. It occurred to him as he got closer that she might have run, either on foot or with the vehicle. That wasn’t the case though. He went to the Land Rover, opened up the rear and quietly instructed her to help him. The rest of all of that signalling equipment which the aim had been to move piece-by-piece was left where Kolya told him to. John had already sent half of what they had, the bare minimum to complete Vanya’s mission, to the two hidden commando hides though this was the rest. It was all spares and here in case the rest didn’t work or had been lost. Sarah worked as fast as he did. She whispered a question asking where the Soviets were. He told her that he didn’t know and urged her on. The task was done. John closed the boot while Sarah started the engine. He stood where he was though. John shut his eyes and waited for the end to come. This had to be the moment where if Vanya was going to have him shot, it would be now. He thought of his family while awaiting what fate had in store for him.
John took an awful long time to get back in the vehicle. Sarah called out to him and he finally walked around to the passenger side door before climbing in. She asked him what had caused the delay. He didn’t reply. She drove away from where they had stopped, again going slowly. John had a question: what had she done to Adams and Norton? Sarah considered her reply. He was accusing her of having ‘done something’. Her first thought was to deny all knowledge but that was almost instantly dismissed. Enough lies had been told. If he wanted to know the truth, she’d tell him. It was anti-freeze that she had used. They wouldn’t have tasted it, she boasted as she basked in her own cleverness, and they were quickly incapacitated. John wasn’t impressed. He informed her that she only knocked Adams out of action: Norton was still capable of shooting back at her. Of course, he was correct. Sarah had realised afterwards that she’d struck too early. She admitted her mistake now. In response, John told her that once more she put him in danger! He could have been shot, by them or even her! While he didn’t shout, he snapped at her and called her a few choice names in that vicious tone he used again. His anger wasn’t as bad as it had been when he’d confronted her about the killing of Morgan but it was getting there. In what had to be a rhetorical question, he asked why she was so fucking stupid? Sarah opted to say no more and concentrate on driving.
This was another small country land infrequently used, one for farmer’s access, that she went down. There was a sharp turn coming up which Sarah knew she would have to take care going around. Before she reached there, her eyes caught sight of something in the distance. There was someone up ahead with a flashlight. At once, she hit the brakes while turning the ignition key. Some time ago, John had worked to modify the Land Rover to allow it to complete what he’d called a ‘dead stop’. The headlights went out and there was no noise. John asked her what she’d seen. Someone with a flashlight, Sarah replied: ahead and to the left. She handed him another one of the pistols which she’d taken from the house, these weapons among the treasure trove of weaponry which Leah had left them. Again, he wouldn’t take it. Like her, his eyes were narrowed and focused up ahead. If he could see anything, she wouldn’t. She checked with him: nope, there was nothing. He asked if she was certain in what she had seen? They had to be somewhere soon and… he didn’t finish what he was saying. John froze mid-sentence. Sarah understood at once. There were people on either side of the Land Rover. Her finger wrapped ever tighter around the trigger of the pistol.
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Post by lordbyron on Nov 20, 2019 13:55:07 GMT
Oh, yeah, this will go pear-shaped; I'm surprised John hasn't shot Sarah yet, given all that she's done so far (really, if I didn't know she was a East German secret agent, I'd swear she's a double agent out to ruin the mission)...
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Post by James G on Nov 20, 2019 20:14:15 GMT
Oh, yeah, this will go pear-shaped; I'm surprised John hasn't shot Sarah yet, given all that she's done so far (really, if I didn't know she was a East German secret agent, I'd swear she's a double agent out to ruin the mission)... He needs her. There is still that mission. However, once the mission is over, then maybe that might be the case. He's about to 'make his bones' too. She has endangered them all. It is tempting to have her turn to him with a gun and say something along the lines of "I swore an oath to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II and her heirs & legal successors. Die you East German pig!"... or something like that!
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Post by James G on Nov 20, 2019 20:15:57 GMT
The Britons; eleven
Sarah wound down the window when she recognised PC Williams, the local policeman. She saw that Paul, their employee from the Royal Oak, was over on John’s side too. She at once asked what was going on. Williams told her that he wanted Sarah to take him back to his house. His landline telephone was working there and he needed to use it with haste. From the other side of the vehicle, where John too had wound down his own window, John asked him if there was something wrong. Paul piped up: he’d found a body near to his brother’s house. Williams told Sarah to unlock the rear doors and let them both get in. He really needed to make a call to his assigned local contact with the garrison at RAF Marham. Paul was reaching past John to try to do that himself and Sarah saw his urgent action in wanting to get to what he must had thought was the safety afforded inside the Land Rover. He was spooked and really wanted to get out of here. Sarah knew what she had to do. She turned back to the policeman and raised the pistol from her lap while telling him to step away. She watched his eyes widen and then he did as instructed. From the other side, she heard Paul let out a ‘yelp’ like he’d just been hurt somehow. Her eyes stayed on Williams though as he took a few steps backwards. He was saying something along the lines of telling her to take things easy and not to do anything rash. Speaking in their native German – something that she and John didn’t do with her even when alone –, her husband told her to just get it over with: shoot him, will you? In English, Sarah told the policeman that she was sorry and pulled the trigger. She was expecting the recoil this time though the noise and flash of light still left her momentarily stunned. PC Williams had fallen to the ground and wasn’t moving. Sarah got out of the Land Rover because she wanted to make sure. There were noises where John was with Paul but she stayed focused on the policeman. Once again she shot him, this time in the head whereas before it had been in the chest. There was no second apology. She didn’t know why she said it the first time and wouldn’t be repeating that. With him dead, she turned around. John was out of the vehicle too and had Paul on the ground. Her husband’s hands were around the young lad’s throat. John was asking him why he had to choose their vehicle to stop over any other. You shouldn’t be here, John told the man he killed. Paul’s struggles soon stopped. Like Williams, he was dead.
The two bodies were dragged away from where the lives had been taken from them next to the road. Sarah pulled Williams by the wrists – gosh, he was heavy! – towards the drainage ditch and then rolled him in there. She was done soon enough but John had already gotten rid of Paul with his body being rolled into a hedgerow. He told her that the youngster who was once their barman had involuntarily relived himself after he had died. Sarah didn’t believe that she needed to tell her that. However, as far as she knew, this was the first time that John had ever killed anyone. His reaction in such a manner was therefore not that surprising overall. Sarah had long ago been told that everyone reacts in different ways after the first time: it could have been worse, it would have been him who’d lost control of his bodily functions. They both got back into the Land Rover. Sarah told John that they had no other choice. He’d been right to give the instruction for those lives to be taken and maybe if he’d think about why she had done what she had before then… He cut her right off with that. Sarah didn’t get finish her point after he swore at her and told her to just drive where they were supposed to be going. She did just that, angry at him for what he said but pulling her mind back to focus on what she was doing.
John paid more attention than he had been before. He should have spotted the light before Sarah did but his mind had been drifting. He’d been evaluating the success of his escape plan. He intended to complete his mission and get away afterwards so that, eventually, when he returned home at some point in the future, there wouldn’t be a firing squad waiting for him. The legend that he was using, that of John Smith, had taken time to build and perfect. John had two back-up identities though. Neither was as good as this one but they were there. He could ‘prove’ he was either of those two other supposed men. The necessary documentation for each was physically buried in two different locations. One set was near the coastal town of Cromer while the other was just off-road on the way to King’s Lynn. Getting to each when he shed who he was now, starting in few hours when Norfolk became a war zone, wasn’t going to be easy. He was trying to figure out which one to head for. John was trying to recall where there would be roadblocks which he couldn’t get around. Once he had that identification, he’d use it to go far. He would become what he was sure many people in Britain were very quickly about to be: internal refugees from the fighting. Sarah had told him that when she’d been listening to the news on the radio, there was mention of countless numbers of such people fleeing their homes all across Western Europe. John had also recalled that the news had said that the fighting was taking place in West Germany. Morgan hadn’t said so, but he’d alluded to the fact that there was more time to complete the assigned mission here of supporting the Soviet pathfinders because the war had yet to move to the Low Countries. John had taken that to mean that the Soviet Army would have to be closer to Britain’s shores before they sent paratroopers over the North Sea. Had the Dutch and Belgians fallen to hordes of Soviet tanks yesterday? That question remained unanswered.
Sarah drove slowly again, taking her time and not getting into trouble. They were off-road again, going through another field. He alerted her to several animals but each time she was already avoiding them. John rubbed his hands together in his lap as he sat in the passenger side. He didn’t need to look down at them to know that they would be red raw. He’d just taken the life of someone, someone who he liked too, with them. There was pain there but also inside him. Paul’s death was going to affect him for a long time, John was certain. What could have been done though? The barman and the policeman each had to die. They couldn’t have gotten into the Land Rover to see what was inside nor gotten to a working telephone. Whose body they had found John didn’t know, but that didn’t matter. If anything else would have been done, John would have seen that done. Things just hadn’t turned out that way though. Sarah took them towards a gate at the end of the field and John jumped out. He found the gate locked with a bulky but rusting padlock. He went back to the vehicle and got some bolt-cutters. This wasn’t easy to do. It stung his hands when he burst open the padlock. He wanted to scream in pain yet kept silent. The padlock was dropped to the ground and he waved Sarah through the open accessway. Once she was out the other side, he closed the gate once more and returned to the vehicle with those bolt-cutters. There was another country lane which Sarah now drove down. They had passed through the last obstruction on the way to the agreed meeting point where Vanya was supposed to link up with them soon enough. There’d be a wait for him, John knew, but he’d turn up soon enough. Sarah killed the lights as they approached and parked up beside a couple of trees with low-hanging branches. The Land Rover was hidden from distant view by the darkness and also this natural cover. John waited for what was coming next, grateful that Sarah sat in silence too.
Sarah managed to stay awake when she really wanted to shut her eyes and sleep. She had the window down to let some air into the vehicle to help keep her alert. It was she who heard Vanya’s men first. There were two short calls made using a whistle. She flashed the Land Rover’s headlights as she told John what she’d heard in the distance. He got out of the vehicle and then blew his own whistle twice in return. Using such an instrument for communication was rather old-fashioned – a walkie-talkie would have been nice – but it was effective and discreet. John said that she really should put her pistol away and that she did. Sarah knew full well what Vanya had said to her when they first met about what would happen if she endangered his men. Sarah she was sure that he would count her as being armed to be fulfilling that necessary criteria to see him deliver on that promise he’d made of killing her – horribly too – if she was judged to be a danger. The pistol went into the glovebox. John walked away from the vehicle while she stayed where she was. Sarah heard no voices nor saw anything through the darkness. John was meeting with the Soviet commandos and that meant danger but there was nothing that she could do apart from hope for the best outcome with that.
Vanya and one of his men (name unknown) came out of the darkness and back to the Land Rover with John. All three of them got inside. Sarah noted that the pathfinders were still wearing British uniform and they were carrying British weapons. The way she understood it, they weren’t breaking any laws of warfare in being adorned like they were. Only went they went into action, if doing so still disguised as the British soldiers that they weren’t, would they be committing a war crime. It was something she successfully fought the urge to ask the question on: whether that would be fighting while still pretending to be British instead of the Soviets that they were. Neither man in the rear said anything to her once inside. Vanya was seated behind her and Sarah momentarily pictured in her mind his bayonet coming through the seat and then her with the tip emerging from her stomach. It was an unpleasant image. Part of her wanted to reach for her gun and shoot him first. Yet… well… that wouldn’t be the best thing to do, not now anyway. John’s spoke to her, putting such an idea out of her mind. Her husband said that she was to start driving. Over to that farm with crocked windmill, he told her, and go the front way in. Sarah knew where he wanted her to take them to. She started the engine. Looking up into the driver’s mirror, her eyes met Vanya’s. He grinned at her, beaming with apparent happiness. He made a declaration: we’re finally going into action!
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Post by stevep on Nov 20, 2019 21:17:17 GMT
Oh, yeah, this will go pear-shaped; I'm surprised John hasn't shot Sarah yet, given all that she's done so far (really, if I didn't know she was a East German secret agent, I'd swear she's a double agent out to ruin the mission)... He needs her. There is still that mission. However, once the mission is over, then maybe that might be the case. He's about to 'make his bones' too. She has endangered them all. It is tempting to have her turn to him with a gun and say something along the lines of "I swore an oath to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II and her heirs & legal successors. Die you East German pig!"... or something like that!
Well the thing is from her mindset she's acted logically. Not very wisely perhaps but given the people she's been thrown into working with who could easily be classified as psychotic and have threatened both her and John as well as behaving erratically its not surprising she is as well.
As James say's she's been trained in intelligence gathering not terrorism and also heavily brainwashed on the communist viewpoint. She has a crash course in real life and how worthless her life is to those who now control her which is going to make anyone not totally brain dead start questioning her position. The only thing she seems to be getting wrong is buying into the lie that John and her are a couple, possibly due to the sudden stress. John is doing similar but unlike Sarah hasn't bought into the idea of a relationship between them as Sarah has. He's also looking for an escape route but seeking to drop Sarah ASAP as he's still only interested in his own survival.
PS Having read the last update it sounds like John is possibly more fragile than Sarah.
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Post by Dan on Nov 21, 2019 8:08:43 GMT
All three of them got inside. Sarah noted that the pathfinders were still wearing British uniform and they were carrying British weapons. The way she understood it, they weren’t breaking any laws of warfare in being adorned like they were. No, but it does mean they can be shot as spies without any further recourse. In fact all of them could, but more likely, certainly "John" and "Sarah" would likely be in for a very unpleasant time answering some very detailed questions during an interview without coffee.
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Post by amir on Nov 21, 2019 14:15:40 GMT
Depending on how you read Hague and Geneva conventions the wear of enemy uniforms and equipment by the pathfinders during their infiltration could (emphasis) be considered a ruse of war and still be afforded protection (especially if you’re doing similar things). Once they begin pathfinder operations and especially if they engage in any sort of combat while in enemy uniform they commit perfidy and lose all protection.
Conversely John and Sarah are spies and pretty clearly unprotected at this point- they would have to be in their true name in an NVA uniform when caught to be POWs.
However, both groups would be high priority captures worth keeping alive to exploit. If you can catch them alive.
These rules are why you’ll often see units operating forward of friendly lines retain at least one piece of identifying uniform if they are in an environment where capture under Geneva rules is a possibility. As an example, many long range observation units wear a “sterile” uniform with name and nationality/service tags to satisfy these requirements.
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Post by lordbyron on Nov 21, 2019 16:19:58 GMT
This is going to end horribly for John and Sarah (not that they don't deserve it--especially Sarah)... Waiting for more, James G...
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Post by lordroel on Nov 21, 2019 16:21:36 GMT
This is going to end horribly for John and Sarah (not that they don't deserve it--especially Sarah)... Waiting for more, James G... Second that, keep it up James G.
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Post by James G on Nov 21, 2019 20:18:13 GMT
He needs her. There is still that mission. However, once the mission is over, then maybe that might be the case. He's about to 'make his bones' too. She has endangered them all. It is tempting to have her turn to him with a gun and say something along the lines of "I swore an oath to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II and her heirs & legal successors. Die you East German pig!"... or something like that!
Well the thing is from her mindset she's acted logically. Not very wisely perhaps but given the people she's been thrown into working with who could easily be classified as psychotic and have threatened both her and John as well as behaving erratically its not surprising she is as well.
As James say's she's been trained in intelligence gathering not terrorism and also heavily brainwashed on the communist viewpoint. She has a crash course in real life and how worthless her life is to those who now control her which is going to make anyone not totally brain dead start questioning her position. The only thing she seems to be getting wrong is buying into the lie that John and her are a couple, possibly due to the sudden stress. John is doing similar but unlike Sarah hasn't bought into the idea of a relationship between them as Sarah has. He's also looking for an escape route but seeking to drop Sarah ASAP as he's still only interested in his own survival.
PS Having read the last update it sounds like John is possibly more fragile than Sarah.
I'd agree with that summary of Sarah. I am trying to make her act crazy though there is a reason - to her - for each act. John is just aghast at all that she has done but he can't read her mind. With John, he's killed someone he knew and had to do that. But he didn't want to. He's not going to be in the best state afterwards but can justify that act to himself. No, but it does mean they can be shot as spies without any further recourse. In fact all of them could, but more likely, certainly "John" and "Sarah" would likely be in for a very unpleasant time answering some very detailed questions during an interview without coffee. There'd be a queue of people willing to kill them if captured. It would be extra-judicial too, probably an 'accident' during custody. The security services would love to 'interview' them, without coffee too (I think I get the reference to that). Depending on how you read Hague and Geneva conventions the wear of enemy uniforms and equipment by the pathfinders during their infiltration could (emphasis) be considered a ruse of war and still be afforded protection (especially if you’re doing similar things). Once they begin pathfinder operations and especially if they engage in any sort of combat while in enemy uniform they commit perfidy and lose all protection. Conversely John and Sarah are spies and pretty clearly unprotected at this point- they would have to be in their true name in an NVA uniform when caught to be POWs. However, both groups would be high priority captures worth keeping alive to exploit. If you can catch them alive. These rules are why you’ll often see units operating forward of friendly lines retain at least one piece of identifying uniform if they are in an environment where capture under Geneva rules is a possibility. As an example, many long range observation units wear a “sterile” uniform with name and nationality/service tags to satisfy these requirements. That matches my understanding of a lawful ruse of war and an illegal act of perfidy for soldiers. John and Sarah would certainly face a firing squad as ultimate punishment if they survived capture and didn't co-operate fully with investigators. They have committed many illegal acts of war. The sterile uniform idea is something I should have used. I have them in British gear though. Whomever sent them - I'm thinking they are highly-trained but regarded as expendable overall - didn't want to bother with the legalities of war because it would slow down & complicate the mission and also the reckoning would be that these men if caught would be killed regardless. There is also the matter of whether these soldiers have ever been taught the laws of war. In one of Suvorov's book - Spetsnaz IIRC - he wrote about how Soviet soldiers, officers even, weren't taught about how enemy vehicles with Red Crosses were untouchable: they were just marked targets. I don't know the exact situation with regard to uniform usage and how that trickled down, but I am going with the idea that these men might not know the difference. If told, they might think too that they will be shot regardless of whether they obeyed such laws.
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James G
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Post by James G on Nov 21, 2019 20:18:55 GMT
The Britons; twelve
The Roberts farm was ten minutes away. Its residents were a father and son. John had met with the younger Roberts before when he tried his hand at dating nights that the Royal Oak had put on. He was a quiet, bookish thirty-something singleton who had absolutely no luck with the ladies. The father was someone that John hadn’t met. Nothing substantial about either of them, where was the wife/mother too, had been something that John had ever found out. He’d never put the effort in because they were unimportant with no military connection to the family nor their property. Morgan had asked briefly about their farm, John recalled now, and John had shown him where it was on the map. Vanya seemed to be perfectly at ease here when Sarah drove them up to the farmhouse. Out of the Land Rover with haste the Soviet commando was, and through the unlocked front door. It was clear he’d spent some time here. Of the two Roberts’, there was no sign of them. John didn’t know if they’d gone somewhere or been killed by Vanya’s men. He reckoned the latter was the mostly likely by the complete lack of worry in Vanya at being here. Urging John to come with him, while telling Sarah to stay in the vehicle for the moment, Vanya led John into the kitchen. There was a large, detailed map spread across the kitchen table. It was covered in felt pen marks: notations in Cyrillic script and odd symbols. Another one of Vanya’s men was waiting for them. John was asked if he knew all the places marked in blue. He counted four, one of which included the fields behind the Roberts farm. He knew where each of them was. Did Sarah too? Yes, John was sure that she did. What Vanya wanted was for the two of them, alternating, to drive a couple of Vanya’s men at a time to each of them. There was equipment to be set up at each. Things had to be done fast but properly. Vanya said his men knew what they were doing and all they needed was fast transport by someone who knew the local area.
John told him that it would be he who’d drive them about. He didn’t say why. He kept the worry of what Sarah would do while out on the move to himself. He also didn’t reveal another intention: he wanted to keep the Land Rover with him to use for his eventual escape. Vanya accepted John’s desire to do the shunting about of men and gear without asking why. He said that he would use Sarah her at the farm. His men already had done much work out the back as this was one of the two primary sites for the incoming paratroopers but she could lend a hand getting things finished up. John looked again at the map. He asked which one they wanted to go to next. The furthest one away, Vanya told him, the other primary landing site for those on their way here. What needed to be done there had to be done soonest and then they could move onto the pair of alternate locations. Vanya got himself a glass of water from the tap, taking the candle he was carrying over there with him. John saw something on the wall, over near the sink. In this little light, he could have been wrong in what he got a momentarily glance at, but it sure as heck looked like a lot of blood splatter. So… his feeling that the Roberts’ had died here had been correct.
Before John left, going off with Vanya and three others, he’d taken Sarah aside and whispered something to her. Sarah had been annoyed at what he’d said. He’d told her not to do anything stupid here while he was gone and get anyone else killed. She’d wanted to tell him to stick that where the sun doesn’t shine but Vanya came out of the farmhouse and she turned the vehicle over to her husband. As John drove away, Sarah remembered that her pistol was in the driver’s side glovebox. She was unarmed and left with two Soviet commandos. One of them was Kolya – the pathfinder with whom she’d buried Morgan – but the other was another one of those no-name comrades of Vanya and his second-in-command. Sarah decided his name was ‘Brow’, deeming him that because of his shockingly thick unibrow. Not going through the farmhouse, Sarah followed the beckoning of Brow (he apparently spoke no English) to follow him out to the rear. She felt naked without any weapon. She felt naked under his gaze too. The looks he gave her weren’t those of someone who wished her serious physical harm but someone who wanted to ravish her without recourse to her own wishes. Sarah told herself that she’d do him some serious damage even without a weapon if he tried that. She plotted out just how to do that to make it effective in the shortest possible time.
Kolya explained the fields behind the farmhouse were wide, free of obstruction and flat. There were no trees nor animals out there. Low walls separated them but these posed little hazard to anyone descending from the sky via parachute. This was a perfect drop zone. Sarah nodded but didn’t say anything. She understood what he was saying yet didn’t find it as interesting as he seemed to. Kolya directed her to help his comrade – ‘Vlad’ it supposedly was; he’d still be Brow as far as Sarah was concerned – roll out more of the cabling. The majority of it was already done but this was a secondary set as a back-up in case the main supply failed to work. Sarah got to it. She followed Brow’s hand signals, grunts and nods. The two of them were out in the fields for some time. Kolya was somewhere else and Sarah couldn’t see him. She was left alone with Brow and his lustful stares that came with his share of the work. There were aircraft above. Sarah couldn’t see them but she did hear them. She also heard the flapping of what sounded like a curtain caught in a strong breeze too. Soon enough, she found out that what she was hearing was one of several windsocks. The Soviet commandos here had several of those up. They had these alongside their infrared lighting gear that she was helping to finalise. The work that had gone on here, the thought put into all of this, amazed her with the complexity. Sarah was part of it all though didn’t want to be. She wondered where John had gone off with the rest of the Soviets to and whether he took was carrying out physical labour like she was. Sarah also kept on thinking of her gun in that vehicle, where it was far away from keeping her safe.
Following several small country lanes, and this time not cutting across fields through farm gates, John soon enough reached the second landing site. Vanya’s men had loaded some of the equipment into the vehicle before leaving the farmhouse though John was soon to discover that more was hidden near to where they stopped. He realised now that he knew little about what the commandos had been doing during their time in Britain. He didn’t even know when they arrived. John had assumed that they had spent all of their time in the two hides which he and Sarah had prepared for them with a little patrolling done. He’d seen their comfortable set up at the Roberts farm and now he saw how they seemed to have spent much time at this sportsground too. There was a clubhouse which he parked the Land Rover behind and then on the other side was a football pitch with a running track around it. John had been here before and seen it used for local events. There had been goalposts – mostly for football but sometimes rugby too – up then but not now. The flat, open terrain lay empty. Though he couldn’t be sure, John imagined what had happened with regards to this sportsground as well as the farm. Some time ago, when a planning staff was busy drawing up plans, they’d looked at maps and found areas which they liked the look of from what was on paper. Someone would have been sent to have a physical scout of each site and that would have been an experienced pathfinder pretending to be a traveller or a tourist. It could even have been someone who’d stayed in the B-&-B above the Royal Oak, someone whom he’d met with and not realised what they were doing. Vanya would have seen the same maps back home and spoke to whomever had come here before him. Upon arrival, Vanya would have been here to confirm everything. Such landing sites for a complicated, dangerous military operation like a mass parachute drop weren’t chosen at random with no thought put into it beyond ‘that will do’.
The other three went off in different directions while John stayed with Vanya. Help was required from John when it came to the control boxes for all of the signalling gear. There were connections to be made, batteries to be put in, circuit tests to be run and so on. A lot of it was simple but John could see that, when put together, this was all very complex too. There were redundancies built in as well. Vanya explained to him it all as they went on. There were the main infrared systems that transport aircraft would pick up and then the lights that would come on some time afterwards for the descending paratroopers to see. His men were putting up windsocks so that the wind could be measured and the particular direction & speed of that would be transmitted to the aircraft pilots in the form of how the infrared lights were arranged: there were several of them in a box-shaped fashion. This was practised and all issues had been considered to negate problems with it. When it went live, it would work on a time delay fashion and activate in stages just ahead of the sun rising. Paratroopers would land here, and at the farm, if necessary the alternate sites too, and march towards their objective of the airbase that was RAF Marham. Soon, he and Vanya were finished. They were waiting on the others to return from where they had spread out across the open ground. John couldn’t see them because it was still dark but he was aware that they were nearby. They had all of that cabling to lay along with putting down the lights themselves. Vanya offered him a cigarette. John opened his mouth to decline the sudden friendly offer from a man who wasn’t very friendly. He didn’t say anything though because there was a shout to his left and then a rifle shot. Many shots followed that. He dove to the ground – just as he’d done yesterday evening when there was shooting – and his eyes sought any sort of cover he could find. One of Vanya’s men bellowed out a warning of ‘British soldiers’ but John already knew that had to be the case. More gunfire took place. He stayed still on the ground. Vanya was beside him, firing his rifle off at soldiers that John couldn’t, and didn’t want to, see. He would only hope to get through this but being as small and still as possible.
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