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Post by James G on Sept 25, 2019 19:20:12 GMT
85 – Complications
US Marines and Soviet Naval Infantry continued to face each other down around the Iraqi port town of Umm Qasr. The two sides maintained positions only a short distance away from each other, each under order not to open fire with all the weapons that they had with them unless they were attacked first. Plenty of close calls had come yet restraint had held back a clash. How long could this all last without each other tearing lumps out of the other? No one knew. Complications continued to crop up which could see conflict break out between them. This was Iraqi soil which each was on. The Soviets had taken over Umm Qasr and disarmed Iraqi soldiers which they had found there. They had then let them do as they wish. Trouble was caused when the Iraqis tried to get away from here and they came across the cordon thrown around Umm Qasr by the US Marines. A couple of Soviets trying to get away had also come across the Americans: these were deserters. Two sailors and one of those Naval Infantrymen had made the effort to reach the American lines with shots fired by their own side against them as they did so. Only one of the three had made it and done so after a party of US Marines had literally scooped him up and dared the Soviets to fire at them instead. This sailor later had second thoughts: he had a family back home in the Rodina. Unwilling to effectively kidnap him, the Americans returned him to from where he had come though in less dramatic circumstances. Whether he’d made the right decision to go back remained to be seen.
Relations between the two sides were kept tense on purpose by senior commanders. There was no desire to see any fraternisation with ‘the enemy’. It was widely believed that there would be a fight in the end and thus the idea that those wearing a different uniform were ‘friendly’ was thought to be not a good idea. Those US Marines especially were kept on edge. 3/9 Marines maintained the perimeter around Umm Qasr and their battalion commander, acting on direct orders from the 5th Regimental Landing Team (5 RLT), had his men ready to fight at any given moment. A regimental-level attack plan was already prepared and 3/9 Marines would be at the head of that. In such a fight, should it come, the US Marines knew that they would be going up against good troops. These Soviets from their Pacific-based Naval Infantry weren’t going to be the same walkover like the Iraqis had been. If the word arrived to make an attack, they were going to go and take Umm Qasr away from the Soviets. There’d be no stopping them. In a similar vein, those Naval Infantry were too kept on-alert by their superiors and reminded at all times of their duty here. The commander in-place had questioned the need for them to be here though not in any official capacity: he was careful in what he said openly as he kept his thoughts private. There was no purpose as far as he could see to staying here but his orders were to remain and be ready to fight. Everything that could be done to win a fight should it come was done. The plan was to not sit still and soak up any American attack but to instead strike out first – he had a company of T-55 tanks and another company of lighter PT-76s – and take the fight to them. Considering the Americans had tens of thousands of combat troops in-theatre, what was a good tactical plan, might not be the best in a strategic sense! If the Naval Infantry went down, they would go down fighting.
Umm Qasr was right on the Iraqi-Kuwaiti border and at the very top of the Persian Gulf. It sat on the Al Faw Peninsula and while 5 RLT had the coastal mission – Umm Qasr plus other security task – there were many more US Marines throughout this marshy region of coastal Iraq. The rest of the 1st Marine Division was here and their primary focus wasn’t neither those Soviets nor the long-defeated Iraqis. Instead, it was the Iranians. They were over there across the water of the Shatt al-Arab in Iranian Khuzestan. There had been no move to cross the border here by the Iranians like they had just done upriver at Basra. Should the Iranians do so, they’d be crossing into the where all these US Marines were. There were plenty of them and they’d been busy since they’d got here. Abandoned Iraqi defensive positions were improved though the real strength that the 1st Marine Division had was its manoeuvrability and fire power. This meant that should the Iranians attack, they’d confidently put a stop to that. It was thought more likely by those here, up to the divisional commander, that if it was going to come to a fight with Iran, they’d be no waiting around for an Iranian attack. It would be an American strike, going over the Shatt al-Arab the other way. The 1st Marine Division would be right in the middle of that.
The question of what to do with regards to Iran was one which the Coalition had yet to settle upon with an agreement between them. Khomeini was making all the moves and the pressure was on the Western countries and their Arab partners to react. There was already fighting in the skies and at sea elsewhere but now the battlefield was to be Iraq. This wasn’t a fight that many would want. Iraq was beaten but refused to accept that and Rashid’s army, on their last legs now, was still holding out in Kuwait. To drive the Iraqis out of Saudi Arabia and then trap them on the Kuwaiti coastline had taken a lot of effort and seen many lives lost. Now there was to be a fight had with Iran, a country not in such a weak position. A war with Iran could possibility also see an even bigger conflict erupt: there was the fear that it could ignite World War Three too if care wasn’t taken.
Britain and France, Coalition members with forces committed to the Second Gulf War, were joined too by Australia and Canada (who had a far smaller commitment; air and naval units only) in telling their Arab allies that while they would defend them, they weren’t in apposition to take part in a wider war with Iran on the battlefield of Iraq. This didn’t go down too well among their Coalition partners. It was explained that the circumstances of losses taken and inability to deploy fighting forces was behind this… but it was a message still not liked. The Saudis, the Gulf Arab Monarchies and the Egyptians had believed that these countries would fight Iran to stop them taking over Iraq. Yet there had already been indications given that this was unlikely beforehand and a lot of the outrage shown was uncalled for because of that. And, as the reminders came from those Western governments, there was no abandonment of the region from them as they were prepared to defend the Gulf region from Iranian aggression still.
In Washington, there was none of that anger as was seen in Arab capitals. There hadn’t been any delusion on this note when it came to their traditional allies’ unwillingness to go to war directly with Iran. That was why American reinforcements were either already in-theatre or in the process of making their way here. They were going to fight to keep the Iranians out of Iraq, despite the challenges that this presented. The biggest challenge was Rashid. America’s Arab allies were saying that there could be no compromise with that madman in Baghdad after all that he had his armies do – the rape of Kuwait, the burning of Saudi oilfields, the use of nerve gas on their troops – and the United States agreed. However, the Reagan Administration was willing to be pragmatic on the matter of working with Iraq and believed that the Arabs would be in the end as well if there was no Rashid. Stopping Khomeini’s dreams of regional domination, which the thinking was wouldn’t halt in Iraq but continue all the way to Mecca, took prominence for them. Iran was regarded as a bigger threat to American interests than Iraq ever had been. Therefore, Rashid would have to go because him staying where he was would be too much. Iraq under another leader… that would be an Iraq that the United States and its regional partners could work with. This would be no easy feat and sure to be something complicated to achieve yet there was hope it could be done: it was being worked on. Getting to that stage meant that a lot would have to happen first – how to get rid of Rashid and who would replace him? – but it was how the future of this conflict was being looked at.
The war with Iraq was still ongoing for the time being. The battle for Kuwait was about to conclude and Rashid had yet to make a substantial response to Iran’s actions. Each was coming up.
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Post by James G on Sept 26, 2019 19:14:39 GMT
86 – Freedom arrives
Kuwait City had fallen to the Iraqi Army back on June 12th, the war’s second day. It was liberated on August 13th, what should have been the Second Gulf War’s last day.
American forces entered the capital of the little nation of Kuwait alongside a detachment of armed & organised Kuwaitis too. There was little left of the pre-war Kuwaiti Armed Forces but some of those who had escaped the occupation of their country came back for this event. They’d been down on the Kuwaiti-Saudi border where despite everything the Iraqis had been holding out against the pan-Arab troops with the Joint Forces Corps before being transferred to join with the Americans as the war seemingly came to a close. It was important that they be here for this. Politically for Kuwait and for the matter of world opinion, Kuwaiti City should be shown to be something that Kuwaitis themselves were involved in liberating. That little bit of propaganda was really a sideshow though. The US Army did the bulk of the fighting. Soldiers from the 101st Air Assault Division went into the city which say beside the waters of the Gulf. They fought in daylight for the first time in a while because this was an urban area. The heat was near overwhelming, especially since NBC suits were worn. Screaming Eagle troopers were allowed to carry their gloves, boots and especially hoods with them rather than wear those attachments to the rest of what they wore. That decision came from the corps commander, General Schwarzkopf, after he’d got permission from on high to use his own judgement on the issue. Iraq hadn’t used gas in some time and certainly not against American forces. If he was wrong and Iraq chose this moment to strike with chemical weapons, the Screaming Eagles were expected to rush to protect themselves, but Schwarzkopf could be accepted to get the blame.
No nerve gas was used though. The Iraqis used bullets, shells and explosives instead. They fought for Kuwait City, giving all that they could. American casualties mounted but they kept on coming. The Screaming Eagles took the capital of Kuwait away from the Iraqis throughout the day. Fire support that the Americans had on-hand was important in achieving the victory but the Iraqis were really hampered by their lack of ammunition. They fought until they ran out of bullets. Again and again, efforts were made to get the Iraqis to give up before that point using several means but these were failures. These troops here had been cut off from outside information and well indoctrinated as they were told they were fighting for Iraq itself, not the false entity which was Kuwait. Relief was coming soon enough, along with more ammunition. The same lies had been told elsewhere to other Iraqi soldiers in this war. Much of Kuwait City was left a ruin as it was fought over. The Americans did their best to limit the use of heavy weapons when it came to not destroying the city, but when they met Iraqi fire, they responded. Finally the Iraqis would stop: either they were dead or they had nothing more to fire off. The Americans took many POWs on the way as they got deeper and deeper into the city before reaching its very heart. The Screaming Eagles also lost many of their own men dead and injured on the way. A last stand was made here. It was one which the Iraqis lost like they’d lost all the others. Freedom arrived for Kuwaiti City, one which came with it a mass of destruction and loss of life.
With the French alongside them, much of the US XVIII Airborne Corps with its many US Army soldiers weren’t fighting for Kuwait City but rather elsewhere in Kuwait. They were down in the south, attacking from behind those Iraqis which had stopped the advance out of Saudi Arabia directly into Kuwait, and also where more Iraqis could be found along the coast. Kuwait’s oilfields were burning and there was deliberate destruction elsewhere too. Like the stupid lies told to those soldiers who fought until the end, this was all about spite rather than anything that could benefit Iraq militarily. None of what the Iraqis were doing could save them for the final defeat which came. The American war machine was in full swing against a trapped, overwhelmed and ineffective army. While the Iraqis were able to cause casualties among them and the French too, victory was achieved. A last stand wasn’t made here though. Not long before the end was due, a small party of Iraqi officers presented themselves at the forward lines of one of the 24th Infantry Division’s brigades. They were taken to divisional headquarters, to where Schwarzkopf came himself. Using an interpreter, he spoke with the senior man – a two star general – who asked for a ceasefire. Schwarzkopf called for a surrender. The Iraqi said he would make a conditional one, not an unconditional one. Schwarzkopf stated that the only terms he would give the Iraqis was the promise of good treatment as by international standards and nothing more: otherwise, it the fight was still on. This was accepted. That Iraqi found that acceptable because it guaranteed the lives of his beaten men. Schwarzkopf and he shook hands on the deal with the return of American POWs in Iraqi custody here in Kuwait to be returned forthwith as his first demand upon the surrendered Iraqis. His second was for his prisoner to tell him where the Iraqis had their chemical weapons stocks so they could be secured.
The last battles for Kuwait had been won. In Kuwait City, right before it got dark, those Kuwaitis who had come up to their capital held a short parade for the benefit of a television crew. Other things which they did, and the Americans did too once they had that city, weren’t recorded and broadcast around the world.
As the Saudis had had a problem with during the time that parts of their nation were under occupation, there had been collaborators in Kuwait too. Few, very few, had worked with the Iraqis for Baghdad’s goals or their own personal benefit. Kuwait wanted to punish those people with death, the sooner the better. Others, who’d acted as they did for less nefarious reasons, were sought by the Kuwaitis as well. In time, maybe they go easy on them, especially those who hadn’t done anything too bad, but for the time being, all ‘traitors’ were to be rounded up. This would extend beyond the city and through the rest of the country once the Kuwaitis retook control of the whole of their nation from the Coalition armies across it. Emir Saad – leading Kuwait after his father had been assassinated pre-war – had struck an agreement with the Saudis to help him do this due to the lack of available Kuwaiti manpower to enforce the return of his rule. Others whom the Kuwaitis were out for were the Palestinians who called Kuwait home. They’d been put upon before the Iraqi occupation and never treated as anything approaching equals. The Iraqis had done them no favours either. Saad had convinced himself though that they were in league with the Iraqis during the occupation after receiving some distorted facts on that… even lies. Moreover, once Arafat’s PLO had aligned with Rashid following the Iraqi strikes against Israel, the view taken of Palestinians in Kuwait by the returning emir was that they were to be gotten rid of. He would expel them all, taking what was theirs in the process.
The British and the French also had small groups of armed personnel inside Kuwait City when freedom arrived there though their role was not that of a propaganda mission. They did what a larger American group of special forces operatives did and secured their embassy complexes. Each of these, like almost all of embassies which had been evacuated of diplomats in the past few months, was a burnt-out shell: this hadn’t been caused by fighting but something done on purpose. Still, there was a desire to retake them despite their poor state as soon as possible. Diplomats would come in and there would be the re-establishment of presence even in symbolic form until repairs/rebuilding could be done. The Americans had more of their Green Berets active in the city after the Screaming Eagles liberated it on a different task. There were people they’d been working with, local guerrillas, to link up with to help them hunt for wanted war criminals. Iraqi military personnel were surrendering without an organised plan of action in Kuwait City and in the chaos, there were those trying to escape justice. Iraqi officers from headquarters staffs, intelligence fields and those who’d spent time working with the Soviets up in Iraq were hunted for as well. The Americans wanted them for questioning. Those whom they found would be taken out of Kuwait to a waiting ship out in the Persian Gulf. Security was the concern when it came to the transport to a ship it was said, but the real reason was privacy away from where eyes & ears might be on land: avoiding entangling legal issues from certain country’s restrictions about what could and couldn’t happen on their soil was also important.
With the job done in Kuwait, mission accomplished here, the XVIII Corps was given new orders. They weren’t ones which Schwarzkopf found unexpected. He was to leave the British and French units attached to his command back here in Kuwait and head back north. He was to return into the occupied parts of Iraq squeezed between Kuwait and Iran. There was going to be a new opponent to fight now that the Iraqis here were overcome.
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Post by lordbyron on Sept 27, 2019 17:19:21 GMT
Oh, the crap's gonna hit the fan soon, methinks...
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Post by forcon on Sept 27, 2019 18:17:47 GMT
Good work. I take it that a different political decision would have to be taken in London for British forces to engage the Iranians in anything other than self-defence and likewise with the French.
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Post by sandyman on Sept 28, 2019 14:30:06 GMT
Great update keep up the good work
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Post by James G on Sept 28, 2019 17:33:46 GMT
Oh, the crap's gonna hit the fan soon, methinks... Soon, really soon! Good work. I take it that a different political decision would have to be taken in London for British forces to engage the Iranians in anything other than self-defence and likewise with the French. Thank you. Yep, the issue is that they will support the Coalition countries to defend themselves and will always act in self-defence, but UK/French offensive operations aren't on the table. There is no stomach in London and Paris for the certain casualties of getting involved in a land war with Iran! Great update keep up the good work Thank you. More inbound.
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Post by James G on Sept 28, 2019 17:35:54 GMT
87 – An international outrage
Later analysed photos from satellite passes over Western Iraq would tell the Americans that, like the Israelis, they had been deceiving themselves into thinking that many of the Scud launchers there had been knocked out of action. Seemingly in panic, the Iraqis moved many of their innocently disguised trucks which carried those missiles heading eastwards across their country. They travelled in daylight and would have made perfect targets for air strikes. Without real-time spotting of what was occurring though, by the time what had happened was understood, the trucks were again out of view. They were now close to Iran, not Jordan, and, more importantly, not burnt out ruins in the desert. The non-destruction of them shouldn’t have come as a surprise. For some time, there had been many intelligence personnel involved at lower levels who’d warned their superiors that the Iraqis had been very clever in their game of make-believe when it came to the apparent destruction of their missile launchers. Those above them hadn’t wanted to listen. They’d reported to political masters, those pilling on the pressure, that the weapons had been knocked out when pilot reports had come in and there had too been the ‘evidence’ shown. Of course, when those Scud launchers did reappear, rather than take the blame themselves, those higher-ups blamed their underlings in some cases while in others questioned whether this was the real deception. The latter idea, the notion that Iraq was pretending it still had many more mobile ballistic missiles, was blown right out of the water when they fired on Iran… well at least it was Coalition forces or Israel those naysayers would then say.
Another impressive Scud barrage – the biggest one yet – where thirty-four (of thirty-nine planned) missiles made it skywards soon saw them crash into Iran. The targets for them were spread mainly across the western half of that country and where the Iraqis believed that the Iranian Army on the move could be found. There were other targets though, ones not of military value. Rashid would consider them to be ‘political strikes’ yet the rest of the world would regard what Iraq’s leader did to be the mass murder of innocent civilians.
The usual poor targeting with the Scuds saw many of them go astray. Few landed close enough to Iranian military units which Rashid was certain were about to begin crossing the border elsewhere away from Basra and that oilfield at Al-Fakkah. One of the trio of Iranian cities also targeted was also completely missed with the strikes into the other two only hitting them because these were large urban areas. Should Iraq have been firing missiles with high explosive or incendiary warheads as had been the case beforehand when using them against the Coalition and then Israel, then Iran could have almost shrugged off this attack. Different warheads were fitted to the Iran-bound missiles though. This was a chemical strike using nerve gas.
Clouds of slightly brown-coloured Tabun gas (it was an impure mix; the gas should have been colourless) drifted over parts of Iran. Through the border areas, many Iranian troops fell victim to the effects along with civilians too. Tabun – sometimes known as GA – was a lethal weapon yet there were ‘better’ gases: ones which Iraq was long trying to manufacture. Hundreds died as Tabun was now used. The numbers could have been higher, in the thousands, even tens of thousands, should another gas have been employed or the Iraqis had better aim with their missions. Two of those Scuds blew up over the Iranian city of Qom and two more above the capital Tehran. These were Rashid’s political strikes and the ones which would bring international outrage.
The deaths in Qom would number close to fourteen hundred. The gas killed about a third of that figure while panic was responsible for the remainder of the civilians who lost their lives. Qom, located south of Tehran, was the religious centre of Revolutionary Iran and where Khomeini had his powerbase. The civilians here were men, women & children. The young and the old died as well as the healthy adults. Those killed by the gas died horribly though there were other gruesome fates awaiting others who were crushed in the fleeing mass of people in the targeted areas or due to fires accidently started & vehicle crashes in the chaos which unfolded. Twenty-one hundred lives were lost in Tehran. Again, the numbers of dead who were directly killed by the unleashed gas was lower than those who were killed in the immediate aftereffects when the Iranian capital was gripped in panic like the nation’s religious heart was. Moreover, these scenes would have been repeated in Esfahan as well had the lone missile sent towards there made it rather than exploded prematurely in space. In each city where the gas was used, there were those who weren’t killed too. Tabun was a gas which would leave survivors crippled for life in various ways plus there was also all that panic-related cause of non-fatal casualties as well to add in. Iranian civilians left injured were larger than the numbers of dead.
Iran quickly made the world aware of what had happened. They’d openly complained to the UN in previous years when Iraq had used gas beforehand back during the Iran-Iraq War though world attention hadn’t been focused on what was done then. It was now. This time it was Iranian cities where there were foreigners present as witnesses and also Khomeini would authorise the civilian government to release to the international community video footage of the aftermath of the gas strikes too. Everyone would know what Iraq had done. No comment came in response from Baghdad. Rashid could have denied doing this – saying it was someone else or it was all a charade – but instead he did nothing openly. Iraq’s leader was waiting on the reply to the other message which he’d sent to Iran alongside his missiles. This was in written form and delivered through a personal contact where he demanded that Iranian forces leave Iraq ‘or else’. He’d wait… and he’d wait.
Out in the Mediterranean, there were another twenty Scud missiles and twelve launch vehicles all aboard a ship bound for Syria. These weapons were on their way to Iraq eventually though with Syria acting as a staging post because all of coastal Iraq was in Coalition hands. Assad had demanded a slice of the pie for allowing the planned transit through his country of these missiles like he had with other recent Soviet weapons deliveries to Iraq. He wanted four of those missiles for himself. Syria already operated the same system and paid for its own stocks coming from Moscow but Rashid – who really needed everything that he could get his hands on – had been forced to agree to Syria’s price or get nothing though the blockade that had been enforced on Iraq. Once those missiles and launchers reached Syria, the Syrians would take their price and then move the rest of the delivery across their country to Iraq.
That was once the ship reached the Syrian port of Latakia. Before it did, there were those who wanted to see the cargo aboard never get that far, or, if not, not make it through Syria to Iraq.
It was a Soviet ship, one flying their flag and registered to their country, which was heading for Syria: one of a third party nation might have made things ‘easier’. It had come from Sevastopol and gone through the Turkish Straits before transiting the Aegean and then going around the northern side of Cyprus inbound for Latakia. The Americans, the British, the French and the Israelis too were all aware of its cargo and monitored its voyage. None of those countries wished to see it reach Syria and offload those Scuds to be used by Rashid’s regime. What could be done though? Ahead of the Iraqi gas attack on Iran, the Western nations had been using diplomacy to try to get Moscow to stop supplying weapons to Iraq. They done so in public but also behind the scenes. The chances of success had always been remote yet it was done. With thousands of civilians now dead in Iranian cities, a renewed effort was made diplomatically. Still, the chances of that having any effect weren’t anything to count on. Shamir’s Israeli government had too attempted diplomacy on the same note once Iraq had attacked Israel. No progress had been made here either. This latest shipment of missiles and launchers was something that in Tel Aviv they were thinking of stopping using direct means. There had been consideration given to physically stopping the ship while it was at sea. Ideas had been bounded about using military action. An Israel submarine could sink the ship and slip away undetected. Maybe an at-sea commando raid could take place to get rid of those weapons in one of various manners that could be done if Israel had temporary control of the vessel. An air strike in the darkness over water, one conducted at distance too, could blow it up. In doing anything like that, Shamir and his Cabinet believed that they would stop those weapons ending up in Iraqi hands to be used potentially against Israel again yet this would cause an international outrage. There was a good chance that the Soviets would take retaliatory action direct against Israel in a form far worse than what Iraqi Scuds had and could achieve.
A different military option was presented to Shamir. It was one which would see Israel act when those missiles – all of which Israel believed were going to Iraq; they had no knowledge of Assad’s price – were no longer on that ship and instead on land out of Soviet direct control. They could be destroyed en route to Iraq, once in Syria. The prime minister agreed to this course of action. Those weapons would be landed at Latakia and once on the move, they’d be eliminated as a threat to Israel. Syria might or might not react militarily, but that was something which Shamir believed Israel could deal with: a Soviet reaction was just something in the end unpalatable to consider bringing upon his country.
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Post by lordbyron on Sept 28, 2019 18:30:45 GMT
It's hitting the fan now, methinks; this is reminding me of Countdown to Looking Glass a little...
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Post by stevep on Sept 28, 2019 20:53:28 GMT
Well Rashid is totally delusional now. He's done exactly what Khomeini would have wanted with a sizeable attack on a civilian target with chemical weapons. Khomeini won't particularly care about the civilian losses as he's now got a clear excuse to do what he wants to do and launch a full scale invasion of Iraq. Given the current state of the Iraqi military there's also damned all the Iraqis can do to stop it. Which puts the Americans and their allies in a ticklish spot.
Why do I get the feeling that the Israeli action will blow up in their faces? They probably should have gambled with say the sub attack or allowing the missiles through on the basis that even Rashid wouldn't continue attacking them while his regime's in immediate threat from Iran, for which attacks on Israel do nothing.
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Post by forcon on Sept 28, 2019 21:37:20 GMT
The chaos ITTL's Middle East is just massive at this point: the gas attacks will hopefully provoke more outrage in the West as they are at war with Iraq ITTL.
Just an idea: what about the US sending Green Beanies into the Kurdish areas of Iran if the war escalates to a flat-out US-Iran conflict, to stir up internal rebellion? IIRC, Iran is only fifty-something percent Persian, with many other ethnic groups, not all of whom are loyal to Tehran.
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Post by stevep on Sept 29, 2019 11:32:17 GMT
The chaos ITTL's Middle East is just massive at this point: the gas attacks will hopefully provoke more outrage in the West as they are at war with Iraq ITTL. Just an idea: what about the US sending Green Beanies into the Kurdish areas of Iran if the war escalates to a flat-out US-Iran conflict, to stir up internal rebellion? IIRC, Iran is only fifty-something percent Persian, with many other ethnic groups, not all of whom are loyal to Tehran.
Only if they really intended a prolonged conflict - unless their prepared to dump the Kurds at a convenient point. Which would be politically bad I suspect in terms of opinion inside the US and also very, very bad for the Kurds during the Iranian clamp-down. Also supporting the Iranian Kurds will also immediately make the governments of Syria, Iraq and Turkey very unhappy. The 1st two the US could probably live with although it would complicate matters, but Istanbul would be more difficult.
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Post by James G on Sept 29, 2019 18:58:04 GMT
It's hitting the fan now, methinks; this is reminding me of Countdown to Looking Glass a little... We are truly in a 'road to war' situation now. This is the last week before the first pre-war direct Soviet-West clashes occur. Well Rashid is totally delusional now. He's done exactly what Khomeini would have wanted with a sizeable attack on a civilian target with chemical weapons. Khomeini won't particularly care about the civilian losses as he's now got a clear excuse to do what he wants to do and launch a full scale invasion of Iraq. Given the current state of the Iraqi military there's also damned all the Iraqis can do to stop it. Which puts the Americans and their allies in a ticklish spot.
Why do I get the feeling that the Israeli action will blow up in their faces? They probably should have gambled with say the sub attack or allowing the missiles through on the basis that even Rashid wouldn't continue attacking them while his regime's in immediate threat from Iran, for which attacks on Israel do nothing. The Iranians will not be stopping. They've got the Americans to worry about too, though, again, a fight with them could not be something that Iran's leadership might not mind to have if it has to, due to 'all glory for the revolution'. Yes, you are correct: things are going to go very wrong with that Israeli cunning plan. The chaos ITTL's Middle East is just massive at this point: the gas attacks will hopefully provoke more outrage in the West as they are at war with Iraq ITTL. Just an idea: what about the US sending Green Beanies into the Kurdish areas of Iran if the war escalates to a flat-out US-Iran conflict, to stir up internal rebellion? IIRC, Iran is only fifty-something percent Persian, with many other ethnic groups, not all of whom are loyal to Tehran. So many players, all fighting their own conflicts. Just what I needed for the bigger fight to accidently happen. That is a good idea. I'm gonna use it.
Only if they really intended a prolonged conflict - unless their prepared to dump the Kurds at a convenient point. Which would be politically bad I suspect in terms of opinion inside the US and also very, very bad for the Kurds during the Iranian clamp-down. Also supporting the Iranian Kurds will also immediately make the governments of Syria, Iraq and Turkey very unhappy. The 1st two the US could probably live with although it would complicate matters, but Istanbul would be more difficult.
Looking at this from the outside, it would seem madness to do due to the bigger effects. It is a bad idea for many reasons. What I am thinking is that some 'bright spark' in Washington has the idea that the intervention there can be limited and kept secret. History is full of such idiocy.
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Post by James G on Sept 29, 2019 19:01:00 GMT
88 – Comrade Marshal Tinker
Back in Moscow, it had been asked by several old time-servers at the Ministry of Defence: ‘is it wise for Comrade Marshal Ogarkov to be planning to invade West Germany with less than two hundred tanks?’.
This was a loaded question, one posed to elicit a strong and negative response on the basis of something which had truth to it but hardly told the true story. There were those there in Moscow who had long been questioning the wisdom of Plan Zhukov. They were involved in many attempts to undermine the field commander based out in Poland at his headquarters. This was something that they had seized upon and were aiming to use to their advantage. The figure of two hundred tanks – less than two hundred tanks in fact – sounded very unwise to those on the other end of being asked such a question: some of them would try and act on what they heard, correcting a sure mistake that Ogarkov was making. Many different powerplays, often with conflicting ultimate objectives, were underway within the highest ranks of the Soviet military. Ogarkov at Legnica had an army posed ready to launch a massive offensive at a moment’s notice yet there were those in Moscow who wished to sabotage the preparations for that all for their own political gains.
It was one hundred and eighty-eight tanks that Ogarkov planned to use, all late-model T-64B heavy tanks. They were the combat strength of a pair of independent tank regiments assigned to the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany (GSFG). There remained five more of those regiments too – three again with T-64s, one with brand-new T-80s & the last one with lighter T-62s to be utilised in an airmobile role – and all were there to act primarily in a fire brigade role in wartime as a covering force but had a secondary offensive capability. The pair which Ogarkov had removed from their standard role, he had thus assigned to support the two airborne divisions which he was going to send into West Germany as the main advance guard should he be given the green light for Plan Zhukov to proceed. They would escort the Soviet Airborne units which would go over the Inner-German Border on the ground. What this meant was that there was a lot of truth to what was being said back in Moscow. The tanks alongside all of those tracked infantry vehicles were the initial force going into West Germany as per the operational plan which his staff had drawn up. However, they weren’t the only tanks: they were just going to be those out ahead. Those in the other regiments, plus the thousands more assigned to the rest of the combat strength of the reinforced GSFG, were going into West Germany too. They’d all be right behind those out in the lead, moving quickly after them.
Ogarkov knew what was going back in Moscow. There had been attempts at direct interference with countless elements of Plan Zhukov from those who thought that they knew best. They questioned seemingly everything and wanted it all done in a ‘better’ way. Efforts had already been undertaken to replace him and send someone else to Legnica, someone who’d rip up the current plan. As far as he was concerned, this was the only way to achieve victory in the manner which the Politburo wanted. There had been the idea presented back there to scrap the whole initial entry with fast & light (relatively ‘light’ anyway) forces and instead rely upon a huge sudden attack using thousands of tanks going over the border in the first minutes of warfare. Ogarkov believed that would fail completely. Plan Zhukov called for a staged entry of forces, all to make sure that the whole GSFG could achieve it mission of overrunning a large chuck of Western Europe as quick as possible pending a political resolution. To have a situation where Soviet forces were spread out everywhere, stuck in traffic jams and also lost, and having done nothing to complete the assigned mission, as Ogarkov knew would occur if he listened to those fools, wouldn’t bring about the rapid and low-casualty victory desired by his political masters.
The tanks which were causing all of that drama had been added by Ogarkov to the Soviet Airborne (VDV) divisions after he at first planned to just have all of those paratroopers in their vehicles go out racing ahead into West Germany alone. He’d wanted to do that because the VDV were capable of navigating themselves correctly and moving fast through unfriendly terrain to reach the distant objectives set for them. However, Ogarkov had been tinkering with Plan Zhukov since he had been given the order to have it ready to go within thirty-six hours of the instruction to go ahead. The wait since then had been arduous. He privately hoped no go order would come but he wanted it to succeed if that happened. The waiting around saw him make small changes in plans and organisation. Adding the tanks was one of the biggest changes. A concern had grown in him that when the VDV units with their men mounted in their BMD-1s /-2s & BTR-Ds did as tasked and reached their objectives, they wouldn’t have enough of a fright factor among opponents which they encountered. Plan Zhukov was to be a classic ‘deep operation’, one long so beloved of Soviet military theorists and only once really undertaken: back in 1945 against the Japanese in Manchuria. Soviet forces were to be almost everywhere at once – in the eyes of NATO’s governments, not in reality – to cause a complete collapse among them with the thinking that they’d been defeated. A tank, or almost two hundred of them, would achieve that desired outcome better. NATO troops taken by surprise might be able to cause enough damage to the VDV forces to convince their governments that they had a chance to reverse their terrible situation, but that would be different with tanks alongside those thin-skinned armoured vehicles. Ogarkov had done something similar with his Soviet Army motorcycle reconnaissance units that Plan Zhukov called for to be sent out far ahead too, covering an even greater distance than the tankers and paratroopers. Those were to operate as forward detachments to go around hastily formed NATO blocking positions and report-in on where the enemy could be found. He wanted them to bring another shock factor by their very presence but, with reflection in the past few weeks, he considered them to not being enough to force such a frightened reaction unless they had something to back them up. For each forward detachment of scouts on those bikes, Ogarkov would send a couple of armoured cars, BRDM-2s, to follow them.
Ogarkov tinkered elsewhere. He transferred units from one subordinate command to another. Some of these were combat units but many were supporting ones too. This was all paper movements though. The GSFG was in its barracks and so were those in regular Soviet forces garrisoned in Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Poland. Plan Zhukov was an out-of-barracks attack. Only those exercising in the field were the extra reinforcements which he had been allowed to bring into Poland to be present should that attack be given the go ahead. These administrative changes were often made on Ogarkov’s whims but there was too the daily GRU intelligence reports which he was receiving on the up-to-date status of NATO forces. What they were perceived to be up to in terms of their own exercises, deployment plans in case of war and personnel strength dictated his tinkering in response. Generally though, the majority of things stayed the same. The bigger elements of Plan Zhukov remained unchanged. Ogarkov was ready to unleash war upon Western Europe following a complicated series of operational taskings with massed forces. He’d still sent airmobile units in transport aircraft & helicopters as flank guards and to take key objectives upon the onset of war. Spetsnaz raiding teams would do their worse along with tactical ballistic missiles with chemical warheads. Strike aircraft would make attacks covered by massed fighter protection. There would be the movement across the Inner-German Border, and other parts of the Iron Curtain too, of an unparalleled combat force bigger than NATO could ever have foreseen. All the tinkering which he did didn’t make difference to the established plan for that eventuality.
The bulk of GSFG force remained there in East Germany and it was out of there where much of the attack which everyone was on-alert for would take place. Yet, Ogarkov was spending the majority of his time in Poland. The command complex at Legnica was one of several areas in this country which effectively belonged to the Soviet Armed Forces: Poles, civilians & military personnel, were only allowed into them with explicit permission. They didn’t appear on maps, even secret Polish military ones, but Legnica, the garrisons and the training sites all existed regardless.
At those training sites, Ogarkov watched several small-scale exercises take place. These would be some of the opening moves should Plan Zhukov go ahead across in West Germany. The commander of Western Strategic Direction witnessed first a Spetsnaz action. A detachment of close to fifty men conducted a dawn assault on a mock-up of a bridge which reassembled an autobahn flyover. The structure was carefully built to be a clone of what these men would find in that country: it wouldn’t take the weight of vehicles traversing it repeatedly but everything else was the same. The commandos arrived in civilian vehicles before racing into action at ground level and then up above too. They secured it from the soldiers posted to guard it. The exercises wasn’t ‘honest’ because the defenders knew what was coming and there were no live rounds or real explosives used – the simulation was still impressive – but it gave an example of how this was supposed to go. The aim was more than just to take out the guards (they’d be West German reservists if this was real: not Soviet Army riflemen) but to get the explosives-trained Spetsnaz among the assault force to work. These men had seen with their own eyes real flyovers in West Germany where there were holes already in-place within such a structure for the placement of demolition charges in wartime. Those on this training mission started removing the dummy explosives, located where they knew they would find them. This had to be done properly because, if this was real, to do it wrong could see such a bridge blown up in their faces… and a mission failure too.
Not long afterwards, Ogarkov went to see another operation being practised. This was an assault on an airfield (the one used here was often made use of for such purposes) conducted by the Soviet Army’s own air assault forces. The Spetsnaz and also the VDV weren’t part of the Soviet Army proper and, while Ogarkov would have operational command of them for Plan Zhukov, he also had those assigned too from his own service. One of the battalions of Desanto-Shturmoviy-Voyska (DShV) had flown over from East Germany direct into this mock attack. Transport aircraft dropped parachutists and also armoured vehicles as well. The landing sites were near to the airfield rather than atop of it. A quick assault was made though as the DShV men rapidly formed up to move onwards towards the objective. They took it quickly too, making a twin assault from two sides coordinated perfectly. Ogarkov knew that these soldiers had never been here before but they’d still achieved what they were supposed to within the allotted time. Things would have been different if this was real and the airfield properly defended – the transports could have been attacked by opposing fighters too – but all that he saw was impressive. It was lone battalions like this one, as well as brigade-sized units with several battalions under command, which would be doing this in West Germany to see Plan Zhukov work. If they failed on a significant scale, everything would go awry.
The tinkering and the exercises (small ones like these in the field; bigger ones on paper) would go on. Ogarkov waited for either a green light to implement it or a stand-down order to cancel everything.
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James G
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Post by James G on Sept 29, 2019 19:01:51 GMT
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lordbyron
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Post by lordbyron on Sept 29, 2019 19:39:31 GMT
Um, yeah, Ogarkov, this war won't be low-casualty, and NATO is not going to do what you think it will, even here, methinks...
Good update, BTW...
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