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Post by lordroel on Jan 27, 2020 15:38:58 GMT
Let us see: Fighter Command will field nuclear SAMs, nuclear ABMs, nuclear Skyblade MR and Galahad LR AAMs; unlike the USAF, the RAF doesn’t field short range nuclear AAMs or unguided rockets. Bomber Command’s TSR-2s have a semi-strategic/theatre role involving gravity bombs and Blue Steel. All of Strike Command’s aircraft would be nuclear capable apart from the Lions. Does the RAF use Air to Ground nuclear missiles for use against target like bridges, enemy troop concentrations and like that.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 27, 2020 16:49:19 GMT
RAF Germany and reinforcing Strike Command aircraft have tactical nuclear bombs and some air to ground missiles at this time.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 28, 2020 4:44:32 GMT
RAF Germany and reinforcing Strike Command aircraft have tactical nuclear bombs and some air to ground missiles at this time. That would sense, but then again, their counterparts would have the same across the Iron Curtain.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 28, 2020 4:58:37 GMT
The Red Air Force does have strike aircraft and bombers, but the West has a distinct technological and qualitative edge in the air.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 28, 2020 5:01:13 GMT
The Red Air Force does have strike aircraft and bombers, but the West has a distinct technological and qualitative edge in the air. While the Red Air force mostly has numbers, numbers and numbers.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 28, 2020 5:32:33 GMT
They don’t even have the enormous numerical edge at this point, given the larger size of the major Western air forces, which is in part a consequence of continued conventional rearmament in the 1950s rather than the New Look emphasis on strategic nuclear weapons and massive retaliation.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 28, 2020 5:43:02 GMT
They don’t even have the enormous numerical edge at this point, given the larger size of the major Western air forces, which is in part a consequence of continued conventional rearmament in the 1950s rather than the New Look emphasis on strategic nuclear weapons and massive retaliation. But they will at one point it seems.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 28, 2020 5:56:36 GMT
It depends. The British aim to have their aforementioned European strength by 1970, the Germans will have at least 2800 combat aircraft, the French a similar number (with their fighters able to fulfill a dual role by nature of geography), the Austro-Hungarians ~1800 and the USAF ~3700 in theatre once reinforced. Even before factoring in the smaller Western European/NATO states, that gives well over 12,000 aircraft. The Red Air Force will have ~18000 tactical fighters in theatre, which, when reinforced by bombers and reserves, only have a margin of perhaps 2:1 at best.
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Post by stevep on Jan 28, 2020 9:57:15 GMT
It depends. The British aim to have their aforementioned European strength by 1970, the Germans will have at least 2800 combat aircraft, the French a similar number (with their fighters able to fulfill a dual role by nature of geography), the Austro-Hungarians ~1800 and the USAF ~3700 in theatre once reinforced. Even before factoring in the smaller Western European/NATO states, that gives well over 12,000 aircraft. The Red Air Force will have ~18000 tactical fighters in theatre, which, when reinforced by bombers and reserves, only have a margin of perhaps 2:1 at best.
Ouch, even with the probable advantages of striking the 1st blow and given how much further they would have to do to overrun continental western Europe the Soviet leadership would have to be very confident/delusional about the quality of their air forces to think that would be enough.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 28, 2020 10:43:39 GMT
In the 1980s, NATO had 1950 fighter-bombers, 740 interceptors and 285 recon planes, reinforced rapidly by 1900 aircraft from North America (4875). The Warsaw Pact had 1900 fighter-bombers, 4370 interceptors, 600 recon and 350 bombers (7220).
With the qualitative edge enjoyed by the West, the Dark Earth situation is probably worse off by a fair bit.
Both sides will lose numbers over the 60s and 70s, naturally.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 30, 2020 15:44:06 GMT
Both sides will lose numbers over the 60s and 70s, naturally. But still will have larger forces available than they had in OTL.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 31, 2020 6:12:56 GMT
They will, because of their larger size, the larger area they need to defend, the different threat profiles each alliance bloc faces, the greater emphasis on conventional weapons systems and several other factors.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 31, 2020 10:28:48 GMT
Are there any Australia and New Zeeland forces in Germany, ore is it British forces only.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 31, 2020 11:43:01 GMT
As of 1963, there is a composite 'light' brigade and a fighter wings made up of squadrons that are rotated through. There is similarly a South African/Rhodesian/Kenyan brigade + wing and a Prydain/Newfoundland/New Avalon brigade + wing.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 31, 2020 12:39:32 GMT
As of 1963, there is a composite 'light' brigade and a fighter wings made up of squadrons that are rotated through. There is similarly a South African/Rhodesian/Kenyan brigade + wing and a Prydain/Newfoundland/New Avalon brigade + wing. Would that be a joint African brigade ore do South Africa, Rhodesia and Kenya supply their own independent brigades.
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