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Post by simon darkshade on May 10, 2020 23:39:23 GMT
There are multiple arcane and conventional methods to do so, but the most salient point here is that they openly and visibly choosing not to. Their non-inclusion is a message.
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Post by comradedave on May 11, 2020 13:38:53 GMT
I would imagine there are plenty of conventional methods  could the allies pointedly not using nuclear weapons be potential for future policy regarding the Beasts to the East? Much like Détente in the 1970s, or is it more of a moral high ground decision? Comrade Dave. |
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Post by simon darkshade on May 12, 2020 0:03:36 GMT
You are close to the mark. Their non-inclusion is a demonstration to the Soviets that the Western Allies/NATO (the name hasn't been formally adopted yet, but they do like the sound of it) wish to show they can stop an enemy conventionally without even needing to resort to tactical nuclear weapons.
It isn't a concession or moral issue, but a psychological and strategic one. It aims to spur the Soviets into ever greater investments in military modernisation and expansion, constraining their currently booming economy.
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Post by comradedave on May 12, 2020 15:57:13 GMT
It sounds like a smart move on the part of the Allies but I suspect they will have to be careful not to get caught in their own trap however.
Comrade Dave.
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Post by simon darkshade on May 12, 2020 16:20:57 GMT
They have quite a lot of tactical nuclear weapons ready just in case. As for their own general defence spending, Britain and the USA both have high levels due to the Vietnam War, but they are half that of the Soviets. The British are keen to reduce their expenditure, but run into the confluence of events; however, the second half of the 1960s sees considerable growth under the Barton Labour government.
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Post by stevep on May 13, 2020 10:58:11 GMT
They have quite a lot of tactical nuclear weapons ready just in case. As for their own general defence spending, Britain and the USA both have high levels due to the Vietnam War, but they are half that of the Soviets. The British are keen to reduce their expenditure, but run into the confluence of events; however, the second half of the 1960s sees considerable growth under the Barton Labour government.
Just to clarify please. By this do you mean economic growth, which would reduce the pressure on the economic of heavy military spending, or of military spending itself, or both?
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Post by simon darkshade on May 13, 2020 11:48:04 GMT
Economic growth was what was meant here; there might be some of the latter, but it is dependent on a number of developments.
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Post by stevep on May 13, 2020 12:39:46 GMT
Economic growth was what was meant here; there might be some of the latter, but it is dependent on a number of developments.
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Post by simon darkshade on May 14, 2020 9:26:41 GMT
All good. Stanley Barton’s overall economic policy, as outlined in Never Had it So Good, is to try and encourage growth and industrial modernisation. He does have a goal of increased defence spending in some areas, but offset with savings in others. The policy of eliminating the National Debt is both supported by many and viewed as controversial.
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Post by lordroel on May 16, 2020 8:00:35 GMT
As the column of FV-432 Saxons and Chieftain tanks rumbled forward through the cold night at their bumpily breathtaking speed of almost thirty six miles a hour, Does the design of the Chieftain mirror that of OTL with the type of versions in use. |
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Post by simon darkshade on May 16, 2020 13:10:29 GMT
No.
The differences are quite huge. Details are in The History of the Tank and Never Had it So Good.
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Post by simon darkshade on May 16, 2020 15:53:14 GMT
To summarise what 1st Armoured Division is deploying in Warhammer:
6 Armoured Regiments: 432 Chieftain MBTs, 48 Super Conqueror HBTs, 48 Royalist LBTs
6 Mechanised Infantry Battalions: 384 Saxon FV-432 APCs, 60 Scimitars, 72 3.45” mortars, 24 FV-456 4.5” SPMs
4 TA Infantry Battalions
1 Armoured Reconnaissance Regiment: 64 Scimitar CVRs + 32 Royalist LBTs + 24 Fox ACs + 8 FV-456 4.5” SPMs
1 Royal Flying Corps Regiment: 48 Bristol Bulldog helicopters, 24 Westland Scout helicopters
3 RHA Regiments: 96 Abbot FV-433 125mm SPGs
1 Medium Regiment: 24 Bishop FV-236 152mm SPGHs
1 Field Regiment, RE: 56 Chieftain AVRE + 24 Chieftain AVRE(G)
1 RMGC Regiment: 96 25mm SP Maxim Guns + 24 SP 37mm autocannon
1 Air Defence Regiment: 32 PT.428 Rapier mobile SAGWs
1 LAA Regiments: 24 x twin 42mm Marksman SPAAGs + 48 x quad 25mm Sharpshooter SPAAGs
2 TA LAA Regiments: 64 x twin 40mm Bofors each
2 TA AT Regiments: 32 FV-215 Challenger 183mm TD
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Post by lordroel on May 16, 2020 16:00:55 GMT
To summarise what 1st Armoured Division is deploying in Warhammer: 6 Armoured Regiments: 432 Chieftain MBTs, 48 Super Conqueror HBTs, 48 Royalist LBTs 6 Mechanised Infantry Battalions: 384 Saxon FV-432 APCs, 60 Scimitars, 72 3.45” mortars, 24 FV-456 4.5” SPMs 4 TA Infantry Battalions 1 Armoured Reconnaissance Regiment: 64 Scimitar CVRs + 32 Royalist LBTs + 24 Fox ACs + 8 FV-456 4.5” SPMs 1 Royal Flying Corps Regiment: 48 Bristol Bulldog helicopters, 24 Westland Scout helicopters 3 RHA Regiments: 96 Abbot FV-433 125mm SPGs 1 Medium Regiment: 24 Bishop FV-236 152mm SPGHs 1 Field Regiment, RE: 56 Chieftain AVRE + 24 Chieftain AVRE(G) 1 RMGC Regiment: 96 25mm SP Maxim Guns + 24 SP 37mm autocannon 1 Air Defence Regiment: 32 PT.428 Rapier mobile SAGWs 1 LAA Regiments: 24 x twin 42mm Marksman SPAAGs + 48 x quad 25mm Sharpshooter SPAAGs 2 TA LAA Regiments: 64 x twin 40mm Bofors each 2 TA AT Regiments: 32 FV-215 Challenger 183mm TD And that is only one British armored division, WOW. |
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Post by simon darkshade on May 17, 2020 0:15:05 GMT
Yes. Warhammer called for the deployment of all 12 reinforced divisions of the British Army of the Rhine along with the Guards Division and the Light Division from the Imperial Strategic Reserve. It is part of the testing and experimentation process for the post-1961 Defence White Paper British Army and has a fair few more changes to go through.
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Post by lordroel on May 17, 2020 6:57:58 GMT
Yes. Warhammer called for the deployment of all 12 reinforced divisions of the British Army of the Rhine along with the Guards Division and the Light Division from the Imperial Strategic Reserve. It is part of the testing and experimentation process for the post-1961 Defence White Paper British Army and has a fair few more changes to go through. No Home Guard units to be deployed to West Germany like the Americans do. |
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could the allies pointedly not using nuclear weapons be potential for future policy regarding the Beasts to the East? Much like Détente in the 1970s, or is it more of a moral high ground decision?
