All royal Netherlands Navy ships from May 7th 1945 to May 9th 1940

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All royal Netherlands Navy ships from May 7th 1945 to May 9th 1940 May 22, 2019 17:53:01 GMT stevep and Zyobot like this

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All royal Netherlands Navy ships from May 7th 1945 to May 9th 1940

So i found this on my PC when going true some old documents, so what would happen when on the day of the Germans surrendering on May 7th 1945 all the ships and submarines listed below are transported back to Den Helder Naval base in May 9th 1940, the crew who served are also on board them, how would this effect what is coming, the Germans will not be able to be stopped as it will mostly be a land battle, and i doubt there is much the New Netherlands Fleet can do in 24 hours.

Tromp class cruiser: HNLMS Tromp HNLMS Jacob van Heemskerck

N class destroyers: HNLMS Tjerk and Hiddes HNLMS Van Galen

River class frigate: HNLMS Johan Maurits van Nassau

Van Kinsbergen class sloop: HNLMS Van Kinsbergen

Flores class sloops: HNLMS Flores and HNLMS Soemba

Gruno class gunboats: HNLMS Gruno

PC-461 class patrol crafts: HNLMS Queen Wilhelmina

Willem van der Zaan class minelayer: HNLMS Willem van der Zaan

Douwe Aukes class minelayer: HNLMS Douwe Aukes

Jan van Brakel class minelayer: HNLMS Jan van Brakel

Jan van Amstel class Minesweepers: HNLMS Jan van Gelder and HNLMS Abraham Crijnssen

Zuiderkruis-class submarine supply ship: HNLMS Zuiderkruis

K XIV class submarines: HNLMS K XIV HNLMS K XV

O 21 class submarine: HNLMS O 21, HNLMS O 23 and HNLMS O 24.

U class submarine: HNLMS Dolfijn

T class submarine: HNLMS Tijgerhaai and HNLMS Zwaardvisch.

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All royal Netherlands Navy ships from May 7th 1945 to May 9th 1940 May 22, 2019 18:35:20 GMT

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May 22, 2019 17:53:01 GMT lordroel said:

All royal Netherlands Navy ships from May 7th 1945 to May 9th 1940

So i found this on my PC when going true some old documents, so what would happen when on the day of the Germans surrendering on May 7th 1945 all the ships and submarines listed below are transported back to Den Helder Naval base in May 9th 1940, the crew who served are also on board them, how would this effect what is coming, the Germans will not be able to be stopped as it will mostly be a land battle, and i doubt there is much the New Netherlands Fleet can do in 24 hours.

Tromp class cruiser: HNLMS Tromp HNLMS Jacob van Heemskerck

N class destroyers: HNLMS Tjerk and Hiddes HNLMS Van Galen

River class frigate: HNLMS Johan Maurits van Nassau

Van Kinsbergen class sloop: HNLMS Van Kinsbergen

Flores class sloops: HNLMS Flores and HNLMS Soemba

Gruno class gunboats: HNLMS Gruno

PC-461 class patrol crafts: HNLMS Queen Wilhelmina

Willem van der Zaan class minelayer: HNLMS Willem van der Zaan

Douwe Aukes class minelayer: HNLMS Douwe Aukes

Jan van Brakel class minelayer: HNLMS Jan van Brakel

Jan van Amstel class Minesweepers: HNLMS Jan van Gelder and HNLMS Abraham Crijnssen

Zuiderkruis-class submarine supply ship: HNLMS Zuiderkruis

K XIV class submarines: HNLMS K XIV HNLMS K XV

O 21 class submarine: HNLMS O 21, HNLMS O 23 and HNLMS O 24.

U class submarine: HNLMS Dolfijn

T class submarine: HNLMS Tijgerhaai and HNLMS Zwaardvisch.

Probably not due to the ossification of the allied high command although your WWII day by day does suggest that some significant steps could have been made, if the western powers listen, at least in preventing or making seriously more expensive for the Germans the fall of France.

Falling that those escaping to Britain can tell a huge amount about how the war goes which could help if listened to and if the right responses are made. Also I would suspect that a number of those ships would have important technological equipment and doctrine knowledge that could help in terms of say radar and the war in the Atlantic.

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All royal Netherlands Navy ships from May 7th 1945 to May 9th 1940 May 22, 2019 19:06:48 GMT

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May 22, 2019 18:35:20 GMT stevep said:

May 22, 2019 17:53:01 GMT lordroel said:

All royal Netherlands Navy ships from May 7th 1945 to May 9th 1940

So i found this on my PC when going true some old documents, so what would happen when on the day of the Germans surrendering on May 7th 1945 all the ships and submarines listed below are transported back to Den Helder Naval base in May 9th 1940, the crew who served are also on board them, how would this effect what is coming, the Germans will not be able to be stopped as it will mostly be a land battle, and i doubt there is much the New Netherlands Fleet can do in 24 hours.

Tromp class cruiser: HNLMS Tromp HNLMS Jacob van Heemskerck

N class destroyers: HNLMS Tjerk and Hiddes HNLMS Van Galen

River class frigate: HNLMS Johan Maurits van Nassau

Van Kinsbergen class sloop: HNLMS Van Kinsbergen

Flores class sloops: HNLMS Flores and HNLMS Soemba

Gruno class gunboats: HNLMS Gruno

PC-461 class patrol crafts: HNLMS Queen Wilhelmina

Willem van der Zaan class minelayer: HNLMS Willem van der Zaan

Douwe Aukes class minelayer: HNLMS Douwe Aukes

Jan van Brakel class minelayer: HNLMS Jan van Brakel

Jan van Amstel class Minesweepers: HNLMS Jan van Gelder and HNLMS Abraham Crijnssen

Zuiderkruis-class submarine supply ship: HNLMS Zuiderkruis

K XIV class submarines: HNLMS K XIV HNLMS K XV

O 21 class submarine: HNLMS O 21, HNLMS O 23 and HNLMS O 24.

U class submarine: HNLMS Dolfijn

T class submarine: HNLMS Tijgerhaai and HNLMS Zwaardvisch.

Probably not due to the ossification of the allied high command although your WWII day by day does suggest that some significant steps could have been made, if the western powers listen, at least in preventing or making seriously more expensive for the Germans the fall of France.

Falling that those escaping to Britain can tell a huge amount about how the war goes which could help if listened to and if the right responses are made. Also I would suspect that a number of those ships would have important technological equipment and doctrine knowledge that could help in terms of say radar and the war in the Atlantic.

I think the best solution is of the 1945 fleet to escape to the United kingdom, i guess some ships are modern enough for the British to have a interest in, also the crews have fought 5 years war, both against the Germans and Japanese, that is very valuable information they can share with the British.

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All royal Netherlands Navy ships from May 7th 1945 to May 9th 1940 May 23, 2019 3:08:28 GMT

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May 22, 2019 22:33:06 GMT Zyobot said:

Not that I know much about naval history, but I wonder how much of a technological advantage the '45 fleet has over its '40 opposition?

No much, but it has some things that might be useful to the British, most of the ship are British, and those ships that are Dutch are mostly all by 1945 equipped with British raders and such.

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All royal Netherlands Navy ships from May 7th 1945 to May 9th 1940 May 23, 2019 9:06:08 GMT

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May 22, 2019 22:33:06 GMT Zyobot said:

Not that I know much about naval history, but I wonder how much of a technological advantage the '45 fleet has over its '40 opposition?

Well as Lordroel says they will probably have 44/45 radars, which are a considerable advantage over 40 ones. This likely also includes some proximity fused shells which would be a big step towards Britain producing that earlier. If some were employed on the N Atlantic route they likely have both advanced ASW weapons, including radar but also things like Squid, as well as far more advanced doctrine for ASW.

Also depending on their experience and memories plus documents on board they will be able to tell the British and other allies about a lot of future 'events' from tactical to strategic. For instance on the former I can't see Hood leading a British force at Denmark Strait or Force Z being that exposed. On the latter, don't get distracted by Greece when you have a chance to finish off Libya, be prepared for a Japanese attack and what form it would take, including informing the US about Pearl and also good details on Operation Barbarossa, although Stalin almost certainly won't listen. However at least it probably will reduce the fears in the west of a Soviet collapse in 41 or 42.

Of course its not certain the allied leaders will listen or take the right decisions on the information given but its likely that Britain will be able to do better in the Atlantic battle and the additional ships will also help here in terms of pure numbers. Also as I said in an earlier post there is at least a chance that the allies will save France, which could mean badly denting if not destroying a lot of the German armour. Which would totally throw the war [and the world] in a new direction.

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