kasumigenx
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Post by kasumigenx on Jan 22, 2019 19:13:40 GMT
From what I have read the long time, the people in Luzon where Katipunan rules don't like Aguinaldo which is one of the reasons the public supported the Americans, what if the Americans decided to oust Aguinaldo and replace him with one of his enemies which have the support of the people, the Philippines would not be united and the First Republic of the Philippines will be renamed back to the Tagalog republic overnight.
In this case Visayas and Mindanao will not be under the the same country as First Republic of the Philippines or the Tagalog Republic since they have their own revolutionary republics, if the treaty of Paris still happens in this scenario how would America treat the Visayas and Mindanao revolutionary republics as well as the Sultanate.
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Jan 27, 2019 23:58:36 GMT
The main problem with this scenario is that the other leaders that the Americans would want to replace are all dead (Antonio Luna, Gregorio Del Pilar), although Macario Sakay might also fit the bill (but even he would not be a good candidate for a Tagalog Republic's leader).
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Post by kasumigenx on Feb 19, 2019 16:08:56 GMT
The main problem with this scenario is that the other leaders that the Americans would want to replace are all dead (Antonio Luna, Gregorio Del Pilar), although Macario Sakay might also fit the bill (but even he would not be a good candidate for a Tagalog Republic's leader). That is why Annexation was supported by the masses in the first place because there was no alternative, there was someone else who can replace Aguinaldo if the American choose as a puppet leader is Makabulos or Quezon, that is if the Americans choose not to allow Aguinaldo to come back. So the POD must be before the treaty of Paris. |
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Post by James G on Feb 20, 2019 11:27:07 GMT
For the United States to get into the overseas Empire-building business was regarded at the time as being impossible before it happened. To remove the leaders, put someone else in charge, and walk away was what they would do in Central America. It seems possible that they could have, maybe should have, done this in the Philippines.
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Post by spanishspy on Mar 8, 2019 8:02:10 GMT
By 1898 the Empire in the Philippines was inevitable. The US had come into its own as an imperial power and was hungry to rival Europe. They're not letting this conquest go easily.
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Post by kasumigenx on Mar 20, 2019 17:01:47 GMT
By 1898 the Empire in the Philippines was inevitable. The US had come into its own as an imperial power and was hungry to rival Europe. They're not letting this conquest go easily. So that is why the Americans allowed Aguinaldo to return in order to disorient/ disunite the Katipunan and the Americans were successful in that I would have preferred if the Spanish just ceded Luzon and Cuba to America in the early stages of the Spanish-American war and sold Mindanao to the Germans. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Jun 4, 2019 7:17:47 GMT
Americans would want to establish an overseas territory. The Philippines was too strategic to lose to the British or the Germans.
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Post by James G on Jun 4, 2019 19:22:46 GMT
Americans would want to establish an overseas territory. The Philippines was too strategic to lose to the British or the Germans. But colonialism was something they were supposed to be so against. Why not establish a base in Manila Bay - do a deal with the locals, a one-sided one sure - and use that to keep the Philippines secure from foreign encroachment by backing a local leader with their military protection? |
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Post by stevep on Jun 5, 2019 10:25:02 GMT
Americans would want to establish an overseas territory. The Philippines was too strategic to lose to the British or the Germans. But colonialism was something they were supposed to be so against. Why not establish a base in Manila Bay - do a deal with the locals, a one-sided one sure - and use that to keep the Philippines secure from foreign encroachment by backing a local leader with their military protection?
In theory but they were always in favour of colonisation of new lands by Americans, especially if directly connected to their existing territory. It took some time to get the coup in Hawaii supported and then the islands annexed but after that the US went through a distinctly imperialistic phase in terms of overseas possessions. Although they didn't directly annex Cuba possibly because half of the excuse for war with Spain was to 'liberate' it but both the Philippines and Puerto Rico were taken over. Did read that the latter, because of the large number of Spanish settlers was actually very loyal to Madrid which may have been why, to prevent Spain having any presence in the Americas.
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Post by altoncarroll on Sept 13, 2019 21:13:01 GMT
The Federalistas did propose having the islands admitted as three US states. But support for them and the US dropped sharply in less than a few months as the death toll from US atrocities climbed.
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Post by James G on Sept 15, 2019 13:45:59 GMT
The Federalistas did propose having the islands admitted as three US states. But support for them and the US dropped sharply in less than a few months as the death toll from US atrocities climbed. I cannot see the US at that time admitting a trio of states with a non-Caucasian population. Hawaii had that but there was already a Caucasian minority which had power & influence. That wasn't the case in the Philippines at all. |
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Post by altoncarroll on Sept 15, 2019 14:18:22 GMT
Yes, and Hawaii's statehood was delayed for over 50 years because of opposition from southern congressmen. It would take something like a major effort from Pres McKinley to get them admitted, which would be out of character for him.
Perhaps only by combining with an effort to deny the vote to anyone but Spaniards and new American migrants could they get admitted.
There was and is a fairly large Mexican population there.
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Post by James G on Sept 15, 2019 14:59:09 GMT
Yes, and Hawaii's statehood was delayed for over 50 years because of opposition from southern congressmen. It would take something like a major effort from Pres McKinley to get them admitted, which would be out of character for him. Perhaps only by combining with an effort to deny the vote to anyone but Spaniards and new American migrants could they get admitted. There was and is a fairly large Mexican population there. Interesting idea. That might work but it would upset many! |
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