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Post by simon darkshade on Apr 3, 2019 6:25:52 GMT
You assume correctly. There is commonality in aircraft, missiles, gun calibres, radar, fuel, spare parts and interchangeability of personnel. The same is true for the Commonwealth air forces and armies.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 3, 2019 14:32:27 GMT
You assume correctly. There is commonality in aircraft, missiles, gun calibres, radar, fuel, spare parts and interchangeability of personnel. The same is true for the Commonwealth air forces and armies. So do Canadian ore Australian designs also end up being used by the British. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Apr 4, 2019 5:35:34 GMT
Yes. The most notable example would be the Avro Arrow, with almost 400 operated by the RAF, in addition to the RCAF, Newfoundland (24), New Avalon (48), Israel (48) and the RAAF (72).
Production of a modern jet fighter is quite the achievement and expense. Australia is working on a supersonic trainer/lead in fighter trainer for the late 60s that will fill a few niches.
The costs of developing new frontline aircraft are increasingly prohibitive, potentially squeezing some smaller nations out of the game. As of 1960/61, Italy, Spain, Austria-Hungary, Mexico, Argentina, Switzerland and the Netherlands are among those ranks. The USA, USSR, China, Britain and France are the largest producers, with Germany, Sweden and Japan following.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 4, 2019 13:53:11 GMT
Yes. The most notable example would be the Avro Arrow, with almost 400 operated by the RAF, in addition to the RCAF, Newfoundland (24), New Avalon (48), Israel (48) and the RAAF (72). Production of a modern jet fighter is quite the achievement and expense. Australia is working on a supersonic trainer/lead in fighter trainer for the late 60s that will fill a few niches. The costs of developing new frontline aircraft are increasingly prohibitive, potentially squeezing some smaller nations out of the game. As of 1960/61, Italy, Spain, Austria-Hungary, Mexico, Argentina, Switzerland and the Netherlands are among those ranks. The USA, USSR, China, Britain and France are the largest producers, with Germany, Sweden and Japan following. Wait there is a Royal Newfoundland Air Force. |
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Post by stevep on Apr 4, 2019 15:21:33 GMT
Yes. The most notable example would be the Avro Arrow, with almost 400 operated by the RAF, in addition to the RCAF, Newfoundland (24), New Avalon (48), Israel (48) and the RAAF (72). Production of a modern jet fighter is quite the achievement and expense. Australia is working on a supersonic trainer/lead in fighter trainer for the late 60s that will fill a few niches. The costs of developing new frontline aircraft are increasingly prohibitive, potentially squeezing some smaller nations out of the game. As of 1960/61, Italy, Spain, Austria-Hungary, Mexico, Argentina, Switzerland and the Netherlands are among those ranks. The USA, USSR, China, Britain and France are the largest producers, with Germany, Sweden and Japan following. Wait there is a Royal Newfoundland Air Force.
Newfoundland became an independent dominion in 1907 but voted to return to British rule in 1933 because of economic problems and debts related to WWI, an over budget railway and the collapse in fish prices. In 1948 at the 2nd stage it voted to join the Confederation of Canada which occurred the following year. See Dominion_of_Newfoundland and the following section for more details.
It might be that in DarkEarth Newfoundland has been more successful and stayed independent of Canada. I wonder if they still have Labrador in that case as OTL the region was contested between Newfoundland and Quebec and it was only formally transferred to the latter in 1927?
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Post by simon darkshade on Apr 4, 2019 20:29:53 GMT
There is an independent Newfoundland with its own military. It never reverted from Dominion status in Dark Earth. Labrador went to Canada rather earlier, with the matter resolved in the 1900s.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 4, 2019 21:42:15 GMT
There is an independent Newfoundland with its own military. It never reverted from Dominion status in Dark Earth. Labrador went to Canada rather earlier, with the matter resolved in the 1900s. So how does their army and navy look like. |
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Post by stevep on Apr 4, 2019 22:45:14 GMT
There is an independent Newfoundland with its own military. It never reverted from Dominion status in Dark Earth. Labrador went to Canada rather earlier, with the matter resolved in the 1900s. So how does their army and navy look like.
I would say its pretty small, especially the army given the probable population and resource base. Could see the navy being capable but probably of relatively small units as I doubt it could support big ships and is probably largely concerned with protecting territorial water and trade links. Probably a small but significant part of an imperial force committed to protecting sea links, especially between Britain and Canada/Newfoundland. However see what Simon says.
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Post by simon darkshade on Apr 5, 2019 7:52:17 GMT
The Newfoundland Army consists of two reinforced brigades, an airborne battalion, a commando battalion and an SAS squadron; there is a divisional headquarters, but most support assets are in reserve.
The Royal Newfoundland Navy consists of 4 destroyers and 8 frigates, with 2 cruisers rotating through reserve and training roles. Some thought is being given to the acquisition of a larger flagship vessel to replace the two light cruisers but there is heated debate as to what type of vessel this should be. Currently, opinion is leaning towards an anti-submarine light aircraft carrier.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 5, 2019 8:27:53 GMT
Currently, opinion is leaning towards an anti-submarine light aircraft carrier. Does this mean there is a Royal Newfoundland Naval Air Service. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Apr 5, 2019 21:26:48 GMT
Yes, there is a small land based naval air service predominantly tasked with ASW patrol.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 6, 2019 8:57:34 GMT
Yes, there is a small land based naval air service predominantly tasked with ASW patrol. Does the Royal Canadian Naval Air Service also still exist. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Apr 6, 2019 10:36:58 GMT
It does and is listed in detail as such in the RCN order of battle. The Commonwealth navies have tended to emulate the RN in this regard, which has a flow-on effect on their air forces.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 6, 2019 20:32:39 GMT
It does and is listed in detail as such in the RCN order of battle. The Commonwealth navies have tended to emulate the RN in this regard, which has a flow-on effect on their air forces. I never understood what the difference is between Navy Fleet Air Arm and Naval Air Service, is it not easier to merge both of them into one service. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Apr 6, 2019 22:54:34 GMT
The original RNAS involved both shore based and carrier based aircraft in WW1, albeit with fewer of the latter.
The Dark Earth situation grows out of this, with the FAA consisting of those aircraft that operate from the Fleet (carrier squadrons and helicopters) and the rump RNAS inheriting the land based roles of maritime patrol, maritime strike and air defence of naval bases both at home and in the Empire. The RAF argues, quite correctly, that the RNAS has exceeded the scope of its intended mandate.
Historically, the RAF got everything and the FAA was only returned to naval control in the late 30s; in wartime, RAF Coastal Command was much lower in priority than the other commands.
It isn't the simplest solution, but reflects both the RN's inter-service rivalry with the RAF and intraservive rivalries between factions/power bases inside the Royal Navy.
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