genyodectes
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Post by genyodectes on Oct 21, 2018 15:25:32 GMT
Hello, I am from the year 2018 in an alternate reality of yours and I have three questions to start off with before you can ask three questions of your own.
First: What happened to Mittelafrika? Where it is in my reality a bunch of nations are and I'm curious as to what happened to it.
Second: How did the Southern War of Independence go? From what I can see so far, the FSA lost. Did Lincoln not die and be replaced by Hannibal Hamlin in this reality? Did Patrick Cleburne never lead the AoNV? Was the Union offensive in Tennessee early on not pushed back? What happened?
Finally: Who is this Adolf Hitler fellow? He seems to be very influential in your history.
Once you answer, feel free to ask questions of your own.
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stevep
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Post by stevep on Oct 21, 2018 17:46:13 GMT
Hello, I am from the year 2018 in an alternate reality of yours and I have three questions to start off with before you can ask three questions of your own.
First: What happened to Mittelafrika? Where it is in my reality a bunch of nations are and I'm curious as to what happened to it.
Second: How did the Southern War of Independence go? From what I can see so far, the FSA lost. Did Lincoln not die and be replaced by Hannibal Hamlin in this reality? Did Patrick Cleburne never lead the AoNV? Was the Union offensive in Tennessee early on not pushed back? What happened?
Finally: Who is this Adolf Hitler fellow? He seems to be very influential in your history.
Once you answer, feel free to ask questions of your own.
I''ll seek to answer your questions.
a) Mittelafrika - Here that's a term for a large German colony covering much of central Africa that some Germans desired to set up if they won WWI, which was 1914-18 here. It would include their own colonies of E Africa and Cameroon, the Belgium colony of the Congo and some French and possibly British ones. Germany lost WWI here so it was never established and their own African colonies were split between the victors.
b) Here there was the US Civil War, 1861-65 during which a number of states sought to secede over the issue of slavery after Lincoln's election and 4 others joined after he started assembling forces to prevent this. The south here was called the CSA [Confederate States of America] and after 4 years of bitter fighting was defeated. Lincoln was re-elected in 1864 and then assassinated by a southern fanatic after the surrender of the south. Patrick Cleburne rings a bell but wasn't a significant factor in OTL USCW. - Checking records he seemed to have some success rising from a private to a divisional commander but died in Nov 1964 and was I believe largely based in the western theatre. The southern commanders of the AoNV were Joe Johnston in the 1st year then after he was wounded Robert E Lee.
c) The 4 bloody years which saw Germany's defeat in WWI here caused a lot of social strain and the collapse of 4 of the old empires. It was followed by a period of social and political turmoil with extreme ideologies appearing, communism in Russia and fascism across much of Europe. The latter seemed most successful at 1st and its most powerful and most extreme case was in Germany where Hitler was the leader of a party that gained power in 1933 and steadily sought to undermine the political settlement of WWI. He started a war in Sept 39 by attacking Poland that only ended in May 45 with the final surrender of Germany - plus the defeat of fascists Japan in Aug 45. The Nazi Party he lead followed extreme idea, especially in views of race and slaughtered millions of people in cold bloody, most notoriously the bulk of the Jewish community in Europe.
My questions: a) If Mittelafrika still exists in your world does this mean the European colonies still exist, or at least those of powers not defeated in a major war? Here all of Africa along with other overseas empires have gained their independence.
b) If the south won its independence in your world does it still exist as a separate state there and if so what kind of society does it have? Especially in terms of the treatment of its black population and relations with the north - if that hasn't fragmented further say?
c) What are the major political ideologies in your world, i.e. democracy, monarchy, religious based states, other political systems and where are their centres of power?
OOC Two questions: a) Since I've replied does that mean no one else can reply to your 1st set of points and possibly I should drop out when you ask your next questions to give someone else a say?
b) Do you have a clear POD from OTL for your universe? If so looking forward to trying to work it out.
Steve
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genyodectes
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Post by genyodectes on Oct 21, 2018 18:16:36 GMT
ah thanks for answering my questions, I shall answer your own.
A) Yes and no. What I mean is that European Empires, as in Germany, Italy, Iberia, all exist but they are in Constitutional Commonwealths where each Colony has equal representation in the Homeland's Legislation and can run for Prime Minister. So they are equal with the Homeland but are still considered colonies, thus keeping them stable and everyone happy.
B) The South's Society s very rural with some urban areas scattered here and there. For Black People, in 1893, They annexed the Yucatan Peninsula and President Cleburne told all of the free Blacks, who he freed himself and fought a brief war to keep the nation united (thus leading to the Federal States of America, or FSA, from the CSA). It took 4 years, but by then, 96% of the Former Slaves in the FSA were deported to Yucatan, which is now the Republic of Libertara, to show how happy they are to be free. For those that remained, until the African Federal Rights Act was passed in 1951, they were victims of a lot of harrassment. As for the North, they have good relations but it took 2 Wars (1878-1881; 1903-1905) and aligning with the other in the World Wars to overcome petty anger to one another.
C) The major Political Idealogies is Democracy and Constitutional Monarchism, with bits of Presidential Dictatorships scattered here and there. For Constitutional Monarchism, the center lies in Berlin, which is the Capital of the World Superpower. For Democracy, the capital is Moscow, who, after a 16 year Presidential Dictatorship (1917-1933) became a Free Democracy and is perhaps the strongest Democracy of them all.
Some more questions
1) What was the turning point in the ACW in your world?
2) If Africa is completely Independent, then how do they care and protect themselves? Didn't the Europeans fight to keep their empires alive? How stable is this continent?
3) Korea being in two is interesting. Mind explaining how that happened?
OOC Answers
A) They can't reply to my first set of points and you can answer and ask how many times you like
B) Yes, the Concrete POD is that ASJ actually defends Fort Donelson and thus the War in the West goes horribly for the Union, thus allowing for the War in the East to go better.
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kyng
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Post by kyng on Sept 28, 2019 13:03:11 GMT
1) The turning point of the American Civil War was the Battle of Gettysburg, in July 1863. The battle lasted for three days, and it was the bloodiest of the entire war: some 50,000 soldiers in total ended up as casualties. The Union won the battle - and, from then on, the Confederacy conducted no more major offences for the rest of the war. It's often speculated how the rest of the war might have gone had the Confederacy won the battle: my personal view is that wouldn't have been enough for the Confederacy to win the war, but I suppose we'll never know for sure.
2) The simplest answer is "They don't". There are some examples of reasonably successful African countries (such as Algeria and Botswana); however, much of the continent remains in extreme poverty with very poor human rights - and many of these countries often experience famines, military coups, and civil wars. In fairness, the situation is improving - there are some African countries with 5-8% economic growth rates - however, it'll be a long time before they reach Western standards.
3) There was a civil war between the communist North and the capitalist South. This war produced no clear victor: the two sides agreed to an armistice in 1953, but they are officially still at war. Since 1953, their relations have generally been very uneasy - although, they have improved in recent months, and there has even been talk of an official end to the war. However, a re-unified Korea still appears to be a long way off.
Now, three more questions for you:
1) Does the United Kingdom still exist in your world, and if so, what is it like?
2) What are the most popular sports in your world?
3) Who is remembered as the most evil person in your world's history?
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jjohnson
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Post by jjohnson on Oct 26, 2019 21:02:00 GMT
Hello, I am from the year 2018 in an alternate reality of yours and I have three questions to start off with before you can ask three questions of your own.
First: What happened to Mittelafrika? Where it is in my reality a bunch of nations are and I'm curious as to what happened to it.
Second: How did the Southern War of Independence go? From what I can see so far, the FSA lost. Did Lincoln not die and be replaced by Hannibal Hamlin in this reality? Did Patrick Cleburne never lead the AoNV? Was the Union offensive in Tennessee early on not pushed back? What happened?
Finally: Who is this Adolf Hitler fellow? He seems to be very influential in your history.
Once you answer, feel free to ask questions of your own.
Sure. Why not. Mittelafrika was a concept after the first World War, where Germany would've taken all of France's colonies at the Treaty of Versailles, but at the time, the Americans and Confederates agreed that Germany would only take Ivory Coast, French Congo, and Central Africa, making Kamerun somewhat larger as it remains to this day. In my reality, Kamerun is a German speaking nation, as is the nation that calls itself die mittelafrikanische Republik. Instead, France maintained only a few of its colonies in Africa, and one or two in Asia, but the rest were yielded to the League of Nations, then to Germany and the UK. The War for Southern Independence was successful only because the Confederates followed the Cleburne Memorial and enlisted and freed their bonded Africans beginning in 1864. That enabled them to overcome the manpower problem as well as gain foreign recognition which helped ease the food and medicine problem they had been facing due to the Union blockade. Once they gained independence, they began to industrialize themselves to avoid dependence on the Yankees, and their use of profit-sharing (an idea proposed by Jefferson Davis), avoided the rise of any form of socialism or communism. Without the Yankees telling them what to do after the war, the Confederates managed bringing their bonded Africans into independence on their own terms within ten years, while full civil rights took a few more decades, when the 1896 voting rights act allowed them to vote in confederal elections, while the states took a little while longer. Lincoln didn't die during or after the war, but was impeached in 1867 when the Northern Democrats took back the House and nearly took back the Senate, for a host of war crimes - suspending habeas corpus, shutting down newspapers, jailing people who disagreed with him, arresting members of the Maryland legislature, starting a war without a declaration of war by Congress, conspiring to start a war at Fort Sumter, and then not calling Congress for three months to ensure a war would start. Johnson took his place, but he was soon replaced by Grant, a war hero. The Union offensive was pushed back at Atlanta, when Joseph Johnston defeated General Thomas at Peachtree Creek (mostly due to General Cleburne and his 30% black force). General Lee led the Army of Northern Virginia, with JEB Stuart, who later became a railroad executive, James Longstreet, whose son became President of the CS, and Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson, whose son also became President, and he also created the Confederate Military Institute, which transformed military doctrine in the South. We later absorbed part of Mexico in 1867 in exchange for the French leaving, giving us Rio Grande, Sonora, Washington, Veracruz, Jefferson, and Durango state. The same year we bought Alaska from the Russians, since the Americans were otherwise occupied at the time with impeachment. In 1874, we had the Spanish-Confederate War, gaining Puerto Rico, Cuba, the Mariana Islands, and the Philippines, and also annexed Hawaii by their request after a joint British-American military invasion. In 1915 we bought the Danish Virgin Islands, and in 1917, the British Virgin Islands and the Bahamas for some debt forgiveness, and from the French, we claimed and acquired Martinique, Guadeloupe, French Guyana, New Caledonia, Polynesia. As of 1976, we have 34 states in the Confederacy: Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, North and South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, Arkansas, Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arizona, California (along the same 37th parallel as AZ, NM, and OK), Washington (formerly Chihuahua), Sonora, Rio Grande, Durango, Veracruz, Jefferson, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, Bahamas, Martinique, Guadeloupe, Guyana, Alaska, Hawaii, Polynesia, Mariana Islands, and New Caledonia. The country is 257 million people, and is about 73% white, 18% black, 4% Native Confederate, 4% Asian, and the rest are other ethnicities. I live in these Confederate States, whose President today is a relatively young-looking 53-year-old Asian Confederate, James Yen. We've had three black VPs, two women VPs, two black Presidents, and two women Presidents, plus one Asian-Confederate President. Our last 3 presidents were Hank Rogers (C), Jessica Howard (C), and then James Yen (R). President Yen is our 27th President since President Davis. We have 3 main parties now, the Confederate, Democrat, and Republican. Unlike the US, the Democrat party is not a socialist party, but is more agrarian and small government, the Confederate party is similar but focuses on our unique Confederate heritage, while the Republican Party, formed from elements of both parties who thought that after the second world war, we needed to become more internationally active to maintain peace with the Soviet Union looming. After the fall of communism, we did help East and West Poland reunite, Volgaland modernize, we helped chair the Treaty of Constantinople in 1993 in Greece which stopped the North and South Turkish War, and the Treaty of Nashville in 1993 which resolved the Azerbaijani-Armenian War. Our taxes are also much lower than the Union, since most states don't have income taxes, and we have no confederal income tax, and no welfare system. The closest we have is the annual sovereign wealth fund, which pays out for oil and mineral resources extracted from a given state, which automatically goes into our individual retirement accounts (IRAs), and we can deduct parts of our paychecks for retirement, disability, unemployment, and medical issues. The Confederate Dollar is two or three times more valuable than the Union dollar, but their dollar has stabilized since the 1980s. We've also seen a lot of disturbing news from the Union regarding corruption, children, and international corruption, but I'll leave that alone. In my reality, there is a relatively obscure German painter who died in WW1 by that name, but he isn't really all that important except to art history students in Germany who seem to enjoy his relatively simplistic art, as if it tells of his alienation or something.
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