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Post by mullauna on Aug 9, 2018 16:11:17 GMT
Any thoughts on the 1980 candidates in the Democratic primaries if Ford squeaks out a win in 1976?
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Post by insect on Aug 9, 2018 22:20:19 GMT
Ed muskie.gary heart.john Glenn.alan Cranston .Jerry Brown are possibilities.
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Post by James G on Aug 10, 2018 14:53:12 GMT
Surely Ted 'Chappaquiddick' Kennedy should be on that list?
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Post by lordroel on Aug 10, 2018 14:54:32 GMT
Surely Ted 'Chappaquiddick' Kennedy should be on that list? Not going to support him if you know what i mean James, it ends badly. |
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Post by James G on Aug 10, 2018 15:09:12 GMT
Kennedy would have gone for that open nomination like he went for what should have been the closed nomination when Carter was the sitting president. He could have won or maybe he wouldn't have. It would depend upon so many things, especially due to another four years of Ford instead of Carter the Novice.
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Post by mullauna on Aug 10, 2018 15:52:44 GMT
A ford win in 1976 means no President Reagan.
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Post by James G on Aug 10, 2018 15:56:17 GMT
A ford win in 1976 means no President Reagan. No it doesn't. There is a strong possibility of that but it isn't for certain. |
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Post by mcnutt on Aug 10, 2018 16:29:59 GMT
I see Walter Mondale winning the nomination. I don't think Ted Kennedy runs. He didn't in 1972 or 1976. There is no Democratic incumbent who distresses liberals. Mondale wins the general election. Reagan, who all agree would be the Republican nominee, is a weak candidate. He is of the President's party in bad economic times. ( i assume the Ford Administration gives more military aid to the Shah. Who narrowly hangs on to power. There is a bloody civil war in Iran but no hostage crisis.) Reagan also has a history of unpopular views like his opposition to Medicare.
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Post by James G on Aug 10, 2018 16:34:17 GMT
I see Walter Mondale winning the nomination. I don't think Ted Kennedy runs. He didn't in 1972 or 1976. There is no Democratic incumbent who distresses liberals. Mondale wins the general election. Reagan, who all agree would be the Republican nominee, is a weak candidate. He is of the President's party in bad economic times. ( i assume the Ford Administration gives more military aid to the Shah. Who narrowly hangs on to power. There is a bloody civil war in Iran but no hostage crisis.) Reagan also has a history of unpopular views like his opposition to Medicare. It's possible. Ford's second term could have seen many things happen domestically. It really would shake things up from how they actually went. |
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Post by lordbyron on Aug 10, 2018 20:32:17 GMT
Ted might have a chance if he avoids answering this question (which was asked by, of all people, Roger Mudd, a friend of the Kennedys) badly: Why do you want to be president?
His answer probably doomed his candidacy before it even started; Chappaquiddick didn't help...
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Post by insect on Aug 11, 2018 5:30:19 GMT
Even without Chappaquiddick Kennedy would face a lot of competition.could Carter try a 2nd time I wonder.
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Post by mullauna on Aug 11, 2018 6:26:56 GMT
I see Walter Mondale winning the nomination. I don't think Ted Kennedy runs. He didn't in 1972 or 1976. There is no Democratic incumbent who distresses liberals. Mondale wins the general election. Reagan, who all agree would be the Republican nominee, is a weak candidate. He is of the President's party in bad economic times. ( i assume the Ford Administration gives more military aid to the Shah. Who narrowly hangs on to power. There is a bloody civil war in Iran but no hostage crisis.) Reagan also has a history of unpopular views like his opposition to Medicare. It's possible. Ford's second term could have seen many things happen domestically. It really would shake things up from how they actually went. Remember, in this timeline, the Republicans have held the presidency for 12 years. Even if Reagan won, would the U.S. people give him two terms when that would mean TWENTY YEARS of the same party in the White House? |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 11, 2018 7:10:17 GMT
It's possible. Ford's second term could have seen many things happen domestically. It really would shake things up from how they actually went. Remember, in this timeline, the Republicans have held the presidency for 12 years. Even if Reagan won, would the U.S. people give him two terms when that would mean TWENTY YEARS of the same party in the White House? Do not see that as a problem. |
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Post by stevep on Aug 11, 2018 9:17:29 GMT
Remember, in this timeline, the Republicans have held the presidency for 12 years. Even if Reagan won, would the U.S. people give him two terms when that would mean TWENTY YEARS of the same party in the White House? Do not see that as a problem.
It might be. For one thing a party in power for a prolonged period tends to get complacent and members in it start looking more after their own interests - Lord Acton's rule comes into play here. For another people just want a chance and especially after a long period in power any problems people have tend to be blamed on that party.
Also if Reagan got in and had the same sort of hard line policies as OTL, without the Carter years, its likely to be a lot less popular. Furthermore would the 79 oil crisis still occur? Or some other issue that prompted a major economic crisis. [If still in 79 it might prevent him getting a 1st term, if a bit later it could prevent any reelection.
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