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Post by fatman10101 on Dec 29, 2022 1:12:02 GMT
And, of course, in the Good Old US of A we have the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 29, 2022 1:49:36 GMT
That is something that is subject to a great deal of interpretation, depending on the prevailing leanings of the Supreme Court at the time. Historically, it was fairly narrow after Reynolds, then broader, then narrower again. In Dark Earth, it is in something of the post Reynolds phase, as there hasn't been the same type of court in the 1940s-1970s as the @ Warren Court. It really has a larger impact on the Establishment Clause than the Free Exercise one.
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Post by stevep on Dec 29, 2022 10:36:12 GMT
There aren't any grounds for disagreement, as I believe you are misreading the information. The jurisdiction of ecclesiastical courts in no way extends to 'people disagreeing with them'. It extends to - blasphemy during a church service (ie people running into a Christmas service, swearing and uttering deliberate blasphemy), - sacrilege (confined to breaking into a church and desecrating it, so being rather more lenient than the historical 1861 Larceny Act, which set out that 'Whosoever shall break and enter any church, chapel, meeting house, or other place of divine worship, and commit any felony therein, or being in any church, chapel, meeting house, or other place of divine worship, shall commit any felony therein and break out of the same, shall be guilty of felony, and being convicted thereof shall be liable, at the discretion of the court, to kept in penal servitude for life, or for any term not less than three years, or to be imprisoned for any term not exceeding two years, with or without hard labour, and with or without solitary confinement.') - grave robbing - necromancy, or the actual raising of undead creatures through foul black magics - disputes over church property - internal church matters, such disputes over stained glass windows, altar design etc - ecclesiastical disciplinary proceedings The first hasn't seen an instance since the 1600s. Therefore, there isn't any way that the mere presence of ecclesiastical courts with a very narrow remit can be characterised as persecution. No Inquisition. No broad powers for the Church Police to kick down the door if someone says "I disagree with the Church of England."
Ah sorry that is different then, although arguments on what is or isn't church property is an issue that shouldn't be decided only by the church. Given the general power of religious authorities and the use of assorted figures you have mentioned in your stories plus some of the human sacrifices you have mentioned in places like Spain I feared things were far more barbaric than it seems they are.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 29, 2022 11:24:13 GMT
All good. Disputes over church property refers to intra-Church disputes, such as disposition of lands, properties left to the Church in wills, trust funds and such mundania. The Spanish Inquisition are big meanies, but auto da fes are carried out by secular authorities, as was the case during its existence in @; the matter of execution of sentence being a matter for secular authority is even dealt with in Maleus Malificarum if I remember from my reading of it correctly.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 30, 2022 12:52:04 GMT
May May 1: A young Colorado boy, Stuart McCormick, finds a lottery ticket floating down the streets of South Park and wins a fabulous prize of $900,000, much to the shocked envy of his gang of pals, Gerald Broflowski, Randy Marsh and Jack Cartman. May 2: The gala opening and dedication ceremony of San Francisco’s new World Trade Building, nicknamed ‘The Glass Tower’ turns into a near disaster, as fire envelops the upper floors of the 1688ft skyscraper, threatening to turn the new marvel into a towering inferno. The rapid intervention of the San Francisco Fire Department, Hollywood star Steve McQueen and his private jet helicopter and a pair of costumed superheroes, one wearing a bright red cape and the other in a spider costume, proves to be fortuitous, allowing for water tanks on the roof of the building to extinguish the blaze and preventing loss of life. May 3: A Torquay hotel owner is cautioned for attempting to sell his recalcitrant Spanish waiter to a vivisectionist. May 4: The Tudor warship Mary Rose is raised from the Solent by the archmage Dr. Simon Gallows and levitated into a waiting drydock in Portsmouth. May 5: Israeli archaeologists discover the ruins of Herod’s Palace in Jerusalem beneath the former Ottoman Kishle prison May 6: The former troopship Empire Windrush, noted for her service in the Korean War and in support of atomic tests at Christmas Island in the South Pacific, is sold into private service as a pleasure cruise liner operating between the Bahamas and Florida. May 7: The Chilean Ministry of Mining begins discussions with the British and American companies that own Chile's major copper mines on the timetable for partial nationalisation and appropriate compensation agreements. May 8: Arsenal becomes the first soccer team to achieve the 'Triple Crown', winning the FA Cup in an extra time triumph over Liverpool to go with their previous first place in the Football League First Division and the Imperial Cup. May 9: The defence ministers of Germany, Austria-Hungary and Switzerland sign an agreement for the renewal of joint civil atomic development; in combination with extremely secretive German engagement with the Yugoslav, Turkish and Spanish atomic weapons programmes, this indicates a potentially different motivation. May 10: 59 people are killed in a bus crash in Kapyong, Korea as the vehicle slips off the road into Chongpyong Reservoir due to excessive speed. May 11: Former world heavyweight champion Cassius Clay dies in Roosevelt Hospital, New York City, after his condition rapidly deteriorated in a matter of hours; Clay had been hospitalised since his severe injuries sustained in March 8 defeat by Joe Frazier. May 12: Archaelogists excavating the ancient ruins at Gobekli Tepe in Southeastern Turkey realise that the site is far older and more complex than first thought with the uncovering of a new layer of much more ancient development; they are further purplexed by the discovery of an extremely intricate golden life size model of a condor in a chamber in the most recent excavations May 13: The first test flight of the USAF’s Supersonic Low Altitude Missile nearly goes awry, as the long range command and control mechanisms malfunction, causing the missile to go off course from the South Atlantic to West Africa and almost crash in the midst of the Sahara before being captured by a secret Royal Space Force tractor beam test facility near Jebel Arkanu, Libya. May 14: Thirty seven members of the Honduran Presidential Guard die after eating fruit contaminated with the toxic insecticide, Parathion, leading to an immediate investigation into suspected involvement May 15: Formation of a new order of Jewish martial artist grand masters, who aim to combine the 20th century art of krav maga with ancient martial wisdom uncovered in scrolls found near the Dead Sea. May 16: The 25th Battalion, Royal Parachute Regiment conducts a combat drop and raid against a rebel encampment in the Sudan, destroying the enemy force in exchange for only five casualties; the supporting fires of two of the new light 25pdr airborne guns is quite devastating. May 17: Almost two thirds of US railwaymen go out on strike as talks between the Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen and major US railways break down. This precipitous step leads to a very swift reaction, with standby units of the Military Railway Service being immediately deployed on executive order of President Kennedy, whilst the BRS are offered a choice between a 8% pay rise or invocation of the national emergency measures of the Taft-Hartley Act, including potentially drafting every striking railwayman and making him subject to military discipline; the former option is selected and the strike ends before the dawning of the 18th. May 18: Escape of a dozen large Venusian octopuses from their aquarium in Los Angeles, with the nightwatchman swearing that the beasts climbed out of their tanks, opened several doors and knocked him out with a fire extinguisher. May 19: Mack Trucks signs an agreement for the export of equipment to be used in the new KAMAZ truck factory east of Kazan, with a number of pieces of machinery fitted with carefully concealed fake bugs by CIA operatives to confound and confusticate the KGB. May 20: A number of walkers claim to have seen a series of spectral apparitions of ancient warriors engaging in combat atop Solsbury Hill, along with a huge eagle swooping out of the night, causing considerable consternation and acute palpitations. May 21: Finnish tankero hunters capture the largest specimen yet found in the elder forests of Upper Lapland, with the three headed beast rivalling the size of the first of its kind, spotted by Aimo Koivunen in his Strange Journey of 1944. May 22: French Premier d'Amberville orders the development of a plan to increase the number of atomic power stations in France sufficiently to provide at least 80% of French power requirements by 1990, a measure some see as trying to emulate the steps taken by Britain in this regard. May 23: Jackie Stewart wins the Monaco Grand Prix by a small margin of less than two seconds over the second placed Jim Clark. May 24: The first regular flight by the Soviet Aeroflot Tupolev Tu-154 supersonic jet airliner between Moscow and New York via Heathrow takes place, with the refueling stopover very carefully observed by intelligence officers and aircraft aficionados alike. May 25: The West Indies defeat South Africa in the First Test at Newlands in Cape Town by 84 runs in a high quality match, with debutant West Indian batsman Vivian Richards making a dashing 154 and Gary Sobers 132, whilst Richie Calypso took 8/79 to go with his second innings score of 87 off 40 balls; Barry Richards made 210 and Graeme Pollok 145 for the home side. May 26: The Times carries an extensive article on the boom in British shipbuilding, with the recent orders for large supertankers, oil rigs, bulk carriers, liners, Floating Fortress components and 'container ships' effectively supercharging the industry itself and its supporting industrial chain, stretching back to steelmaking and coal mining. It estimates that 1971 and 1972 will each see unprecedented completion of tonnage (largely due to the greatly increased size of individual ships) almost four times greater than the previous record. May 27: Mass killer Juan Corona is arrested by Californian police, who find a dozen graves near his home in Yuba City. He is swiftly bought to trial for 25 murders, sentenced to death and gassed on March 30th 1972. May 28: A young Irish druidess completes the first journey down the entirety of the Orinoco by coracle, confirming her new theories on the river's flow. May 29: Operational test service of the British Army’s new mobile SAGW, the English Electric Broadsword, begins on Salisbury Plain. It is intended to replace the current Super Thunderbird units of the Regular Army and Royal Marines; and the 24 Royal Air Force Bristol Bloodhound fixed SAGW squadrons by the end of the 1970s as an augmentation of the Bristol Blue Envoy very long range missile force and their putative replacement. May 30: Release of Red Sun, a new exciting Western starring Charles Bronson, Toshiro Mifune and Audie Murphy. May 31: The final exchange of prisoners of war and assorted exchangees takes place at the Demilitarized Zone between South Vietnam and North Vietnam, even as the border itself is more heavily fortified by minefields and further construction of the Liberty Line, which one British journalist describes as 'making the Maginot Line look like a zebra crossing'.
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Post by stevep on Dec 30, 2022 16:31:02 GMT
MayMay 1: A young Colorado boy, Stuart McCormick, finds a lottery ticket floating down the streets of South Park and wins a fabulous prize of $900,000, much to the shocked envy of his gang of pals, Gerald Broflowski, Randy Marsh and Jack Cartman. - know that reference but not a show I liked.May 2: The gala opening and dedication ceremony of San Francisco’s new World Trade Building, nicknamed ‘The Glass Tower’ turns into a near disaster, as fire envelops the upper floors of the 1688ft skyscraper, threatening to turn the new marvel into a towering inferno. The rapid intervention of the San Francisco Fire Department, Hollywood star Steve McQueen and his private jet helicopter and a pair of costumed superheroes, one wearing a bright red cape and the other in a spider costume, proves to be fortuitous, allowing for water tanks on the roof of the building to extinguish the blaze and preventing loss of life. - Well that was in interesting combination of forces and I think Spidy is some way from home and not as mobile as the other guy. But at least you have Marvel and DC cooperating. ;)May 3: A Torquay hotel owner is cautioned for attempting to sell his recalcitrant Spanish waiter to a vivisectionist. May 4: The Tudor warship Mary Rose is raised from the Solent by the archmage Dr. Simon Gallows and levitated into a waiting drydock in Portsmouth. May 5: Israeli archaeologists discover the ruins of Herod’s Palace in Jerusalem beneath the former Ottoman Kishle prison May 6: The former troopship Empire Windrush, noted for her service in the Korean War and in support of atomic tests at Christmas Island in the South Pacific, is sold into private service as a pleasure cruise liner operating between the Bahamas and Florida. May 7: The Chilean Ministry of Mining begins discussions with the British and American companies that own Chile's major copper mines on the timetable for partial nationalisation and appropriate compensation agreements. May 8: Arsenal becomes the first soccer team to achieve the 'Triple Crown', winning the FA Cup in an extra time triumph over Liverpool to go with their previous first place in the Football League First Division and the Imperial Cup. May 9: The defence ministers of Germany, Austria-Hungary and Switzerland sign an agreement for the renewal of joint civil atomic development; in combination with extremely secretive German engagement with the Yugoslav, Turkish and Spanish atomic weapons programmes, this indicates a potentially different motivation. May 10: 59 people are killed in a bus crash in Kapyong, Korea as the vehicle slips off the road into Chongpyong Reservoir due to excessive speed. May 11: Former world heavyweight champion Cassius Clay dies in Roosevelt Hospital, New York City, after his condition rapidly deteriorated in a matter of hours; Clay had been hospitalised since his severe injuries sustained in March 8 defeat by Joe Frazier. May 12: Archaelogists excavating the ancient ruins at Gobekli Tepe in Southeastern Turkey realise that the site is far older and more complex than first thought with the uncovering of a new layer of much more ancient development; they are further purplexed by the discovery of an extremely intricate golden life size model of a condor in a chamber in the most recent excavations May 13: The first test flight of the USAF’s Supersonic Low Altitude Missile nearly goes awry, as the long range command and control mechanisms malfunction, causing the missile to go off course from the South Atlantic to West Africa and almost crash in the midst of the Sahara before being captured by a secret Royal Space Force tractor beam test facility near Jebel Arkanu, Libya. May 14: Thirty seven members of the Honduran Presidential Guard die after eating fruit contaminated with the toxic insecticide, Parathion, leading to an immediate investigation into suspected involvement May 15: Formation of a new order of Jewish martial artist grand masters, who aim to combine the 20th century art of krav maga with ancient martial wisdom uncovered in scrolls found near the Dead Sea. May 16: The 25th Battalion, Royal Parachute Regiment conducts a combat drop and raid against a rebel encampment in the Sudan, destroying the enemy force in exchange for only five casualties; the supporting fires of two of the new light 25pdr airborne guns is quite devastating. May 17: Almost two thirds of US railwaymen go out on strike as talks between the Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen and major US railways break down. This precipitous step leads to a very swift reaction, with standby units of the Military Railway Service being immediately deployed on executive order of President Kennedy, whilst the BRS are offered a choice between a 8% pay rise or invocation of the national emergency measures of the Taft-Hartley Act, including potentially drafting every striking railwayman and making him subject to military discipline; the former option is selected and the strike ends before the dawning of the 18th. May 18: Escape of a dozen large Venusian octopuses from their aquarium in Los Angeles, with the nightwatchman swearing that the beasts climbed out of their tanks, opened several doors and knocked him out with a fire extinguisher. May 19: Mack Trucks signs an agreement for the export of equipment to be used in the new KAMAZ truck factory east of Kazan, with a number of pieces of machinery fitted with carefully concealed fake bugs by CIA operatives to confound and confusticate the KGB. May 20: A number of walkers claim to have seen a series of spectral apparitions of ancient warriors engaging in combat atop Solsbury Hill, along with a huge eagle swooping out of the night, causing considerable consternation and acute palpitations. May 21: Finnish tankero hunters capture the largest specimen yet found in the elder forests of Upper Lapland, with the three headed beast rivalling the size of the first of its kind, spotted by Aimo Koivunen in his Strange Journey of 1944. May 22: French Premier d'Amberville orders the development of a plan to increase the number of atomic power stations in France sufficiently to provide at least 80% of French power requirements by 1990, a measure some see as trying to emulate the steps taken by Britain in this regard. May 23: Jackie Stewart wins the Monaco Grand Prix by a small margin of less than two seconds over the second placed Jim Clark. May 24: The first regular flight by the Soviet Aeroflot Tupolev Tu-154 supersonic jet airliner between Moscow and New York via Heathrow takes place, with the refueling stopover very carefully observed by intelligence officers and aircraft aficionados alike. May 25: The West Indies defeat South Africa in the First Test at Newlands in Cape Town by 84 runs in a high quality match, with debutant West Indian batsman Vivian Richards making a dashing 154 and Gary Sobers 132, whilst Richie Calypso took 8/79 to go with his second innings score of 87 off 40 balls; Barry Richards made 210 and Graeme Pollok 145 for the home side. May 26: The Times carries an extensive article on the boom in British shipbuilding, with the recent orders for large supertankers, oil rigs, bulk carriers, liners, Floating Fortress components and 'container ships' effectively supercharging the industry itself and its supporting industrial chain, stretching back to steelmaking and coal mining. It estimates that 1971 and 1972 will each see unprecedented completion of tonnage (largely due to the greatly increased size of individual ships) almost four times greater than the previous record. May 27: Mass killer Juan Corona is arrested by Californian police, who find a dozen graves near his home in Yuba City. He is swiftly bought to trial for 25 murders, sentenced to death and gassed on March 30th 1972. May 28: A young Irish druidess completes the first journey down the entirety of the Orinoco by coracle, confirming her new theories on the river's flow. May 29: Operational test service of the British Army’s new mobile SAGW, the English Electric Broadsword, begins on Salisbury Plain. It is intended to replace the current Super Thunderbird units of the Regular Army and Royal Marines; and the 24 Royal Air Force Bristol Bloodhound fixed SAGW squadrons by the end of the 1970s as an augmentation of the Bristol Blue Envoy very long range missile force and their putative replacement. May 30: Release of Red Sun, a new exciting Western starring Charles Bronson, Toshiro Mifune and Audie Murphy. May 31: The final exchange of prisoners of war and assorted exchangees takes place at the Demilitarized Zone between South Vietnam and North Vietnam, even as the border itself is more heavily fortified by minefields and further construction of the Liberty Line, which one British journalist describes as 'making the Maginot Line look like a zebra crossing'.
May May 1: A young Colorado boy, Stuart McCormick, finds a lottery ticket floating down the streets of South Park and wins a fabulous prize of $900,000, much to the shocked envy of his gang of pals, Gerald Broflowski, Randy Marsh and Jack Cartman. - Not show I liked but I get the reference.
May 2: The gala opening and dedication ceremony of San Francisco’s new World Trade Building, nicknamed ‘The Glass Tower’ turns into a near disaster, as fire envelops the upper floors of the 1688ft skyscraper, threatening to turn the new marvel into a towering inferno. The rapid intervention of the San Francisco Fire Department, Hollywood star Steve McQueen and his private jet helicopter and a pair of costumed superheroes, one wearing a bright red cape and the other in a spider costume, proves to be fortuitous, allowing for water tanks on the roof of the building to extinguish the blaze and preventing loss of life. - Well that was in interesting combination of forces and I think Spidy is some way from home and not as mobile as the other guy. But at least you have Marvel and DC cooperating. May 3: A Torquay hotel owner is cautioned for attempting to sell his recalcitrant Spanish waiter to a vivisectionist. - Basil! Behave.
May 4: The Tudor warship Mary Rose is raised from the Solent by the archmage Dr. Simon Gallows and levitated into a waiting drydock in Portsmouth. - Well that's somewhat earlier than OTL.
May 7: The Chilean Ministry of Mining begins discussions with the British and American companies that own Chile's major copper mines on the timetable for partial nationalisation and appropriate compensation agreements. - Hopefully we avoid the OTL disaster for Chile.
May 8: Arsenal becomes the first soccer team to achieve the 'Triple Crown', winning the FA Cup in an extra time triumph over Liverpool to go with their previous first place in the Football League First Division and the Imperial Cup. - Well that's a twist on OTL with the 3rd event. I remember it well
May 9: The defence ministers of Germany, Austria-Hungary and Switzerland sign an agreement for the renewal of joint civil atomic development; in combination with extremely secretive German engagement with the Yugoslav, Turkish and Spanish atomic weapons programmes, this indicates a potentially different motivation. - Well that could set a few nerves jangling, especially in Moscow and Paris.
May 10: 59 people are killed in a bus crash in Kapyong, Korea as the vehicle slips off the road into Chongpyong Reservoir due to excessive speed. - Was this OTL?
May 11: Former world heavyweight champion Cassius Clay dies in Roosevelt Hospital, New York City, after his condition rapidly deteriorated in a matter of hours; Clay had been hospitalised since his severe injuries sustained in March 8 defeat by Joe Frazier. - That's an ugly way to go. I didn't like him as a person - although after his death a lot of his family and friends claimed that was all a front but he didn't deserve this fate.
May 12: Archaelogists excavating the ancient ruins at Gobekli Tepe in Southeastern Turkey realise that the site is far older and more complex than first thought with the uncovering of a new layer of much more ancient development; they are further purplexed by the discovery of an extremely intricate golden life size model of a condor in a chamber in the most recent excavations - That suggests that either the condor had a much wider range in the past or more likely links between the Andes region and the Med. Which would fit in with evidence of previous civilizations, both human and otherwise.
May 13: The first test flight of the USAF’s Supersonic Low Altitude Missile nearly goes awry, as the long range command and control mechanisms malfunction, causing the missile to go off course from the South Atlantic to West Africa and almost crash in the midst of the Sahara before being captured by a secret Royal Space Force tractor beam test facility near Jebel Arkanu, Libya. - Oops that was awkward and also means that that base is probably no longer secret.
May 15: Formation of a new order of Jewish martial artist grand masters, who aim to combine the 20th century art of krav maga with ancient martial wisdom uncovered in scrolls found near the Dead Sea. - Well that suggests that the scrolls might not end up being hidden as OTL.
May 18: Escape of a dozen large Venusian octopuses from their aquarium in Los Angeles, with the nightwatchman swearing that the beasts climbed out of their tanks, opened several doors and knocked him out with a fire extinguisher. - Well that could be interesting and potentially disastrous. Do we have much knowledge of how intelligent they are and how rapidly they can breed? Or is this a cover up for a more conventional crime?
May 20: A number of walkers claim to have seen a series of spectral apparitions of ancient warriors engaging in combat atop Solsbury Hill, along with a huge eagle swooping out of the night, causing considerable consternation and acute palpitations. - Strange but then there's a lot of that in DE.
May 21: Finnish tankero hunters capture the largest specimen yet found in the elder forests of Upper Lapland, with the three headed beast rivalling the size of the first of its kind, spotted by Aimo Koivunen in his Strange Journey of 1944. - Interesting back story. Here it actually exists.
May 22: French Premier d'Amberville orders the development of a plan to increase the number of atomic power stations in France sufficiently to provide at least 80% of French power requirements by 1990, a measure some see as trying to emulate the steps taken by Britain in this regard. - Well France made a big push for nuclear power anyway so a logical move.
May 23: Jackie Stewart wins the Monaco Grand Prix by a small margin of less than two seconds over the second placed Jim Clark. -
May 24: The first regular flight by the Soviet Aeroflot Tupolev Tu-154 supersonic jet airliner between Moscow and New York via Heathrow takes place, with the refueling stopover very carefully observed by intelligence officers and aircraft aficionados alike. - I bet.
May 25: The West Indies defeat South Africa in the First Test at Newlands in Cape Town by 84 runs in a high quality match, with debutant West Indian batsman Vivian Richards making a dashing 154 and Gary Sobers 132, whilst Richie Calypso took 8/79 to go with his second innings score of 87 off 40 balls; Barry Richards made 210 and Graeme Pollok 145 for the home side. - With a less degenerate regime in S Africa that's a very possible clash of a hell of a lot of talent.
May 26: The Times carries an extensive article on the boom in British shipbuilding, with the recent orders for large supertankers, oil rigs, bulk carriers, liners, Floating Fortress components and 'container ships' effectively supercharging the industry itself and its supporting industrial chain, stretching back to steelmaking and coal mining. It estimates that 1971 and 1972 will each see unprecedented completion of tonnage (largely due to the greatly increased size of individual ships) almost four times greater than the previous record. -
May 27: Mass killer Juan Corona is arrested by Californian police, who find a dozen graves near his home in Yuba City. He is swiftly bought to trial for 25 murders, sentenced to death and gassed on March 30th 1972. -
May 28: A young Irish druidess completes the first journey down the entirety of the Orinoco by coracle, confirming her new theories on the river's flow. - Is there anything special about its flow or is it basically a case of identifying its primary source?
May 31: The final exchange of prisoners of war and assorted exchangees takes place at the Demilitarized Zone between South Vietnam and North Vietnam, even as the border itself is more heavily fortified by minefields and further construction of the Liberty Line, which one British journalist describes as 'making the Maginot Line look like a zebra crossing'. - That's a good line. Of course OTL as in Vietnam as well the enemy defeated it by going around it rather than fighting through it.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 30, 2022 17:06:59 GMT
Steve,
I’ll have to do the rest tomorrow morning, but May 28 is a little play on Enya and her song Orinoco Flow.
Simon
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 31, 2022 1:56:37 GMT
MayMay 1: A young Colorado boy, Stuart McCormick, finds a lottery ticket floating down the streets of South Park and wins a fabulous prize of $900,000, much to the shocked envy of his gang of pals, Gerald Broflowski, Randy Marsh and Jack Cartman. - know that reference but not a show I liked.May 2: The gala opening and dedication ceremony of San Francisco’s new World Trade Building, nicknamed ‘The Glass Tower’ turns into a near disaster, as fire envelops the upper floors of the 1688ft skyscraper, threatening to turn the new marvel into a towering inferno. The rapid intervention of the San Francisco Fire Department, Hollywood star Steve McQueen and his private jet helicopter and a pair of costumed superheroes, one wearing a bright red cape and the other in a spider costume, proves to be fortuitous, allowing for water tanks on the roof of the building to extinguish the blaze and preventing loss of life. - Well that was in interesting combination of forces and I think Spidy is some way from home and not as mobile as the other guy. But at least you have Marvel and DC cooperating. ;)May 3: A Torquay hotel owner is cautioned for attempting to sell his recalcitrant Spanish waiter to a vivisectionist. May 4: The Tudor warship Mary Rose is raised from the Solent by the archmage Dr. Simon Gallows and levitated into a waiting drydock in Portsmouth. May 5: Israeli archaeologists discover the ruins of Herod’s Palace in Jerusalem beneath the former Ottoman Kishle prison May 6: The former troopship Empire Windrush, noted for her service in the Korean War and in support of atomic tests at Christmas Island in the South Pacific, is sold into private service as a pleasure cruise liner operating between the Bahamas and Florida. May 7: The Chilean Ministry of Mining begins discussions with the British and American companies that own Chile's major copper mines on the timetable for partial nationalisation and appropriate compensation agreements. May 8: Arsenal becomes the first soccer team to achieve the 'Triple Crown', winning the FA Cup in an extra time triumph over Liverpool to go with their previous first place in the Football League First Division and the Imperial Cup. May 9: The defence ministers of Germany, Austria-Hungary and Switzerland sign an agreement for the renewal of joint civil atomic development; in combination with extremely secretive German engagement with the Yugoslav, Turkish and Spanish atomic weapons programmes, this indicates a potentially different motivation. May 10: 59 people are killed in a bus crash in Kapyong, Korea as the vehicle slips off the road into Chongpyong Reservoir due to excessive speed. May 11: Former world heavyweight champion Cassius Clay dies in Roosevelt Hospital, New York City, after his condition rapidly deteriorated in a matter of hours; Clay had been hospitalised since his severe injuries sustained in March 8 defeat by Joe Frazier. May 12: Archaelogists excavating the ancient ruins at Gobekli Tepe in Southeastern Turkey realise that the site is far older and more complex than first thought with the uncovering of a new layer of much more ancient development; they are further purplexed by the discovery of an extremely intricate golden life size model of a condor in a chamber in the most recent excavations May 13: The first test flight of the USAF’s Supersonic Low Altitude Missile nearly goes awry, as the long range command and control mechanisms malfunction, causing the missile to go off course from the South Atlantic to West Africa and almost crash in the midst of the Sahara before being captured by a secret Royal Space Force tractor beam test facility near Jebel Arkanu, Libya. May 14: Thirty seven members of the Honduran Presidential Guard die after eating fruit contaminated with the toxic insecticide, Parathion, leading to an immediate investigation into suspected involvement May 15: Formation of a new order of Jewish martial artist grand masters, who aim to combine the 20th century art of krav maga with ancient martial wisdom uncovered in scrolls found near the Dead Sea. May 16: The 25th Battalion, Royal Parachute Regiment conducts a combat drop and raid against a rebel encampment in the Sudan, destroying the enemy force in exchange for only five casualties; the supporting fires of two of the new light 25pdr airborne guns is quite devastating. May 17: Almost two thirds of US railwaymen go out on strike as talks between the Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen and major US railways break down. This precipitous step leads to a very swift reaction, with standby units of the Military Railway Service being immediately deployed on executive order of President Kennedy, whilst the BRS are offered a choice between a 8% pay rise or invocation of the national emergency measures of the Taft-Hartley Act, including potentially drafting every striking railwayman and making him subject to military discipline; the former option is selected and the strike ends before the dawning of the 18th. May 18: Escape of a dozen large Venusian octopuses from their aquarium in Los Angeles, with the nightwatchman swearing that the beasts climbed out of their tanks, opened several doors and knocked him out with a fire extinguisher. May 19: Mack Trucks signs an agreement for the export of equipment to be used in the new KAMAZ truck factory east of Kazan, with a number of pieces of machinery fitted with carefully concealed fake bugs by CIA operatives to confound and confusticate the KGB. May 20: A number of walkers claim to have seen a series of spectral apparitions of ancient warriors engaging in combat atop Solsbury Hill, along with a huge eagle swooping out of the night, causing considerable consternation and acute palpitations. May 21: Finnish tankero hunters capture the largest specimen yet found in the elder forests of Upper Lapland, with the three headed beast rivalling the size of the first of its kind, spotted by Aimo Koivunen in his Strange Journey of 1944. May 22: French Premier d'Amberville orders the development of a plan to increase the number of atomic power stations in France sufficiently to provide at least 80% of French power requirements by 1990, a measure some see as trying to emulate the steps taken by Britain in this regard. May 23: Jackie Stewart wins the Monaco Grand Prix by a small margin of less than two seconds over the second placed Jim Clark. May 24: The first regular flight by the Soviet Aeroflot Tupolev Tu-154 supersonic jet airliner between Moscow and New York via Heathrow takes place, with the refueling stopover very carefully observed by intelligence officers and aircraft aficionados alike. May 25: The West Indies defeat South Africa in the First Test at Newlands in Cape Town by 84 runs in a high quality match, with debutant West Indian batsman Vivian Richards making a dashing 154 and Gary Sobers 132, whilst Richie Calypso took 8/79 to go with his second innings score of 87 off 40 balls; Barry Richards made 210 and Graeme Pollok 145 for the home side. May 26: The Times carries an extensive article on the boom in British shipbuilding, with the recent orders for large supertankers, oil rigs, bulk carriers, liners, Floating Fortress components and 'container ships' effectively supercharging the industry itself and its supporting industrial chain, stretching back to steelmaking and coal mining. It estimates that 1971 and 1972 will each see unprecedented completion of tonnage (largely due to the greatly increased size of individual ships) almost four times greater than the previous record. May 27: Mass killer Juan Corona is arrested by Californian police, who find a dozen graves near his home in Yuba City. He is swiftly bought to trial for 25 murders, sentenced to death and gassed on March 30th 1972. May 28: A young Irish druidess completes the first journey down the entirety of the Orinoco by coracle, confirming her new theories on the river's flow. May 29: Operational test service of the British Army’s new mobile SAGW, the English Electric Broadsword, begins on Salisbury Plain. It is intended to replace the current Super Thunderbird units of the Regular Army and Royal Marines; and the 24 Royal Air Force Bristol Bloodhound fixed SAGW squadrons by the end of the 1970s as an augmentation of the Bristol Blue Envoy very long range missile force and their putative replacement. May 30: Release of Red Sun, a new exciting Western starring Charles Bronson, Toshiro Mifune and Audie Murphy. May 31: The final exchange of prisoners of war and assorted exchangees takes place at the Demilitarized Zone between South Vietnam and North Vietnam, even as the border itself is more heavily fortified by minefields and further construction of the Liberty Line, which one British journalist describes as 'making the Maginot Line look like a zebra crossing'.
May May 1: A young Colorado boy, Stuart McCormick, finds a lottery ticket floating down the streets of South Park and wins a fabulous prize of $900,000, much to the shocked envy of his gang of pals, Gerald Broflowski, Randy Marsh and Jack Cartman. - Not show I liked but I get the reference.
May 2: The gala opening and dedication ceremony of San Francisco’s new World Trade Building, nicknamed ‘The Glass Tower’ turns into a near disaster, as fire envelops the upper floors of the 1688ft skyscraper, threatening to turn the new marvel into a towering inferno. The rapid intervention of the San Francisco Fire Department, Hollywood star Steve McQueen and his private jet helicopter and a pair of costumed superheroes, one wearing a bright red cape and the other in a spider costume, proves to be fortuitous, allowing for water tanks on the roof of the building to extinguish the blaze and preventing loss of life. - Well that was in interesting combination of forces and I think Spidy is some way from home and not as mobile as the other guy. But at least you have Marvel and DC cooperating. May 3: A Torquay hotel owner is cautioned for attempting to sell his recalcitrant Spanish waiter to a vivisectionist. - Basil! Behave.
May 4: The Tudor warship Mary Rose is raised from the Solent by the archmage Dr. Simon Gallows and levitated into a waiting drydock in Portsmouth. - Well that's somewhat earlier than OTL.
May 7: The Chilean Ministry of Mining begins discussions with the British and American companies that own Chile's major copper mines on the timetable for partial nationalisation and appropriate compensation agreements. - Hopefully we avoid the OTL disaster for Chile.
May 8: Arsenal becomes the first soccer team to achieve the 'Triple Crown', winning the FA Cup in an extra time triumph over Liverpool to go with their previous first place in the Football League First Division and the Imperial Cup. - Well that's a twist on OTL with the 3rd event. I remember it well
May 9: The defence ministers of Germany, Austria-Hungary and Switzerland sign an agreement for the renewal of joint civil atomic development; in combination with extremely secretive German engagement with the Yugoslav, Turkish and Spanish atomic weapons programmes, this indicates a potentially different motivation. - Well that could set a few nerves jangling, especially in Moscow and Paris.
May 10: 59 people are killed in a bus crash in Kapyong, Korea as the vehicle slips off the road into Chongpyong Reservoir due to excessive speed. - Was this OTL?
May 11: Former world heavyweight champion Cassius Clay dies in Roosevelt Hospital, New York City, after his condition rapidly deteriorated in a matter of hours; Clay had been hospitalised since his severe injuries sustained in March 8 defeat by Joe Frazier. - That's an ugly way to go. I didn't like him as a person - although after his death a lot of his family and friends claimed that was all a front but he didn't deserve this fate.
May 12: Archaelogists excavating the ancient ruins at Gobekli Tepe in Southeastern Turkey realise that the site is far older and more complex than first thought with the uncovering of a new layer of much more ancient development; they are further purplexed by the discovery of an extremely intricate golden life size model of a condor in a chamber in the most recent excavations - That suggests that either the condor had a much wider range in the past or more likely links between the Andes region and the Med. Which would fit in with evidence of previous civilizations, both human and otherwise.
May 13: The first test flight of the USAF’s Supersonic Low Altitude Missile nearly goes awry, as the long range command and control mechanisms malfunction, causing the missile to go off course from the South Atlantic to West Africa and almost crash in the midst of the Sahara before being captured by a secret Royal Space Force tractor beam test facility near Jebel Arkanu, Libya. - Oops that was awkward and also means that that base is probably no longer secret.
May 15: Formation of a new order of Jewish martial artist grand masters, who aim to combine the 20th century art of krav maga with ancient martial wisdom uncovered in scrolls found near the Dead Sea. - Well that suggests that the scrolls might not end up being hidden as OTL.
May 18: Escape of a dozen large Venusian octopuses from their aquarium in Los Angeles, with the nightwatchman swearing that the beasts climbed out of their tanks, opened several doors and knocked him out with a fire extinguisher. - Well that could be interesting and potentially disastrous. Do we have much knowledge of how intelligent they are and how rapidly they can breed? Or is this a cover up for a more conventional crime?
May 20: A number of walkers claim to have seen a series of spectral apparitions of ancient warriors engaging in combat atop Solsbury Hill, along with a huge eagle swooping out of the night, causing considerable consternation and acute palpitations. - Strange but then there's a lot of that in DE.
May 21: Finnish tankero hunters capture the largest specimen yet found in the elder forests of Upper Lapland, with the three headed beast rivalling the size of the first of its kind, spotted by Aimo Koivunen in his Strange Journey of 1944. - Interesting back story. Here it actually exists.
May 22: French Premier d'Amberville orders the development of a plan to increase the number of atomic power stations in France sufficiently to provide at least 80% of French power requirements by 1990, a measure some see as trying to emulate the steps taken by Britain in this regard. - Well France made a big push for nuclear power anyway so a logical move.
May 23: Jackie Stewart wins the Monaco Grand Prix by a small margin of less than two seconds over the second placed Jim Clark. -
May 24: The first regular flight by the Soviet Aeroflot Tupolev Tu-154 supersonic jet airliner between Moscow and New York via Heathrow takes place, with the refueling stopover very carefully observed by intelligence officers and aircraft aficionados alike. - I bet.
May 25: The West Indies defeat South Africa in the First Test at Newlands in Cape Town by 84 runs in a high quality match, with debutant West Indian batsman Vivian Richards making a dashing 154 and Gary Sobers 132, whilst Richie Calypso took 8/79 to go with his second innings score of 87 off 40 balls; Barry Richards made 210 and Graeme Pollock 145 for the home side. - With a less degenerate regime in S Africa that's a very possible clash of a hell of a lot of talent.
May 26: The Times carries an extensive article on the boom in British shipbuilding, with the recent orders for large supertankers, oil rigs, bulk carriers, liners, Floating Fortress components and 'container ships' effectively supercharging the industry itself and its supporting industrial chain, stretching back to steelmaking and coal mining. It estimates that 1971 and 1972 will each see unprecedented completion of tonnage (largely due to the greatly increased size of individual ships) almost four times greater than the previous record. -
May 27: Mass killer Juan Corona is arrested by Californian police, who find a dozen graves near his home in Yuba City. He is swiftly bought to trial for 25 murders, sentenced to death and gassed on March 30th 1972. -
May 28: A young Irish druidess completes the first journey down the entirety of the Orinoco by coracle, confirming her new theories on the river's flow. - Is there anything special about its flow or is it basically a case of identifying its primary source?
May 31: The final exchange of prisoners of war and assorted exchangees takes place at the Demilitarized Zone between South Vietnam and North Vietnam, even as the border itself is more heavily fortified by minefields and further construction of the Liberty Line, which one British journalist describes as 'making the Maginot Line look like a zebra crossing'. - That's a good line. Of course OTL as in Vietnam as well the enemy defeated it by going around it rather than fighting through it.
Steve, 1.) Correct on picking up on South Park. Note that this makes Kenny’s father so rich that he’ll never end up in a cult of Cthulhu. Also note that this Cartman has a father. 2.) Quite the combination. The Spider Chap was travelling, so it was fortuitous. Truth be told, I don’t know the difference between Marvel and DC, as I never read comics past age of 10 and generally preferred Conan, Hammer and Warrior to any superhero nonsense. I regarded them as silly American stuff then and am quite bemused at their advances into mainstream pop culture now. 3.) In defence of his Fawlty judgement, the waiter was saying that he knew nothing. 4.) One of the advantages of magic is a quicker reaction cycle. 7.) We shall see; the policy approach of the Allende government is more circumspect. 8.) It is a different competition on top of the domestic and will take the position of some of the @ European championships. 9.) No one knows about it yet and steps are being trod very, very carefully. The Swiss already have the Bomb. 10.) Yes, all OTL. 11.) I had telegraphed a not too good end to the fight with him being knocked out of the very ring; boxing is an inherently dangerous sport and this will cause some to pause for thought. 12.) There is very strong evidence of a link between the disparate ancient civilisations and this is yet more proof… 13.) Correct on both counts. Historically, the USAF had some issues with VLR cruise missiles going off course during early testing (Snark). 15.) The main groups of scrolls have been found as in @. This is a separate one from the Sicarii 18.) More to come on the Venusian octopi; they do breed and are quite a bit more intelligent than Earthly octopi… 20.) A bit of a reference to the lyrics of Peter Gabriel’s Solsbury Hill. 21.) The tankero is a very Finnish Easter egg, with the added element of Koivunen, who ate enough pervitin/crystal meth for 30 men and survived, albeit after losing most of his body weight and travelling 250 miles on skis; here it doesn’t occur during the Continuation War on account of there not being one. 22.) As you say, it is a logical measure for them. 23.) The British dominance of F1 continues, as in @. 24.) The Soviets are aware of this, so are very careful to reveal nothing unnecessary. 25.) South Africa have a very strong team; Viv Richards debuts 3 years earlier, with the Windies having an earlier rise to the top. 26.) Doing the sums showed how quickly larger ships add up to unprecedented levels of tonnage, with flow on effects. 27.) Historically, he got life, but there is no pre Furman v Georgia de facto moratorium on executions in the USA; not that there will be a Furmanesque decision. 31.) The Line stretches across Laos to the Thai border; the means of going around it are quite off limits for ~10,000 years thanks to radiological weapons.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 2, 2023 16:07:04 GMT
June June 1: British Railways unveils its next generation of steam locomotives for service on general and local routes throughout the British Isles as a compliment to the magical levitation super trains on the main lines of the Grand Railway and the regional intercity high speed lines. The BR Class A25 Advanced High Speed Train is designed with an integrated support unit for fuel and water modules to extend range and is capable of speeds up to 200mph. It is expected that up to 1600 will be built to replace earlier passenger locomotives, whilst replacement of of BR’s almost 3000 freight locomotives will follow. June 2: Metropolitan Pimen of Leningrad and Ladoga is elected as Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia and head of the Russian Orthodox Church. His election is followed by the traditional difficult meeting with the General Secretary of the Soviet Union. June 3: A USAF paper on the future of the B-47 Stratojet states that it will be retired from regular service by 1980, giving it a total service life of 32 years. Its place in SAC’s Bomber fleet is to be filled by the B-76, whilst the replacement for the B-52 is on track to enter service by the end of the 1970s. June 4: RNAS aerial surveys in the South Pacific report an apparent new island chain 800 nautical miles east of the Line Islands, with the discovery confirmed by satellite observation later that day. June 5: Opening of the newly refurbished Imperial Mobile Warfare Training Centre in the Sinai, Israel, a facility for the operational training of British Commonwealth mechanised forces, joining the joint tropical and jungle warfare centre in Australia, the desert warfare centre in South Africa, the mountain warfare centre in India and the large expeditionary warfare centre in Suffield, Canada. June 6: Release of the first episode of The World at War on ITV, a £5 million 36 episode documentary on the history of the Second World War, narrated by Sir Laurence Olivier and including extensive period footage and interviews with a range of major figures from the time, including in the first episode, A New Germany, Kaiser Otto of Austria-Hungary, former British Prime Ministers The Earl of Avon and the Duke of London, former French premier Charles de Gaulle, anti-Nazi theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Albert Speer, Feldmarshall Erwin von Rommel, King Albrecht of Bavaria and Rudolf Hess. June 7: A Filipino Presidential aide announces the discovery of the Tasaday people, a previously uncontacted Stone Age savage tribe in the rainforests of Mindanao. June 8: Edmundo Zujkovic, a leading opponent of Chilean President Allende, is assassinated by a masked death squad. Allende declares a limited state of emergency in response to the killing. June 9: A large squadron of Argentine warships begins a series of combat drills 80nm north of the Falkland Islands, observed by RNAS Nimrods and ground based radar. June 10: USAF F-15s of the 1st Fighter Wing begin special air combat testing exercises against USN F-14s over Virginia in the first Exercise Black Thunder. June 11: The Home Office begins enforcement of statutory limitations on free unskilled migration into Britain from outside the Empire and Commonwealth. June 12: A USAF C-135 flying from Samoa to Hawaii mysteriously disappears without a trace somewhere in the vicinity of Palmyra Atoll, with their last communication being garbled beyond recognition. June 13: An Australian woman in Canberra gives birth to healthy nonuplets, becoming the largest instance of surviving multiple births on record; the mother is said to be tired but relieved. June 14: Six schoolboys disappear in the backwoods of Indiana on a Scout hike, leading to a large scale search by local and State police, civilians and troops from Camp Attenbury. June 15: American skier Bill Briggs becomes the first man to ski down the renowned and treacherous Grand Teton mountain, with his deed caught on film from a helicopter as proof. June 16: The FBI submits a secret report on apparent activity of supernatural benign figures across the United States, the so called 'Angel Report'. June 17: Germany overtakes France as the largest army in Western Europe as measured by total personnel for the first time since the Second World War; the Heer remains strictly limited in the number of active divisions it can deploy, but has increased the size of the Reserveheer by eight divisions since 1965 to 24. June 18: Beginning of the World Air Race in Paris, with 26 different competitors heading off around the globe in a variety of antique aircraft, mostly biplanes. June 19: 64 people are killed in a grenade attack on a mosque in Mindanao by an apparent group of government connected paramilitaries. June 20: The socialist People's Alliance wins a plurality in the Althing elections in Iceland. Their platform of the extension of Icelandic territorial waters, minimisation of NATO forces, removal of nuclear weapons and the nationalisation of the aluminium refining industry is regarded as highly alarming by the other parties and Iceland's Western allies alike. June 21: A USAF test pilot is mistaken for an alien spaceman after ejecting from his experimental rocketplane over Wyoming, with a young tow-headed boy informing him he was on ‘Earth’ when he stumbled into a diner and queried his location. June 22: An Irish musician is fined in Gibraltar for refusing to pay a ferryman after a dispute over the terms of service, which caused him to miss his Spanish train; the lamenting bard was comforted when leaving the court by a lady in red. June 23: The Polish Communist government transfers former German Lutheran Church buildings in Western Polish territories annexed from Germany after the Second World War to the Roman Catholic Church. June 24: A Soviet Kosmos military reconnaissance satellite fails to achieve its operating orbit, suffering an apparent second stage booster failure shortly after launch; a number of anomalous temperature fluctuations are recorded by test aircraft operating near the launch site at Baikonur. June 25: Egyptian purchases £900 million worth of armaments from Britain, including 100 further de Havilland Spectres and hundreds of new MBTs, APCs, guns and tactical missiles. June 26: Tightrope walker Phillipe Petit performs a daring walk between the two spires of Notre Dame without a pole or safety net. Upon safely making it to the ground, he is arrested on public order grounds and imprisoned in the Conciergerie overnight before being firmly chastised and released. June 27: Japanese Prime Minister in waiting Yukio Mishima is appointed as Minister for International Trade and Industry. June 28: Romanian Securitate arrest a serial killer in Bucharest who turns out to be a vampire. The undead monster is destroyed in an attempted escape, leaving only tantalising clues as to the suggestion of vampiric grand plan behind the killings. June 29: The Beatles rescue a young sperm whale lost in the Thames in a yellow mini submarine loaned by the Royal Navy, with the aid of the river’s renewed population of friendly dolphins. June 30: Bulgaria signs an agreement with Byzantine Greece for the integration of their collective field forces in Thrace and Bulgaria into a single army group command.
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Post by stevep on Jan 3, 2023 11:59:08 GMT
JuneJune 1: British Railways unveils its next generation of steam locomotives for service on general and local routes throughout the British Isles as a compliment to the magical levitation super trains on the main lines of the Grand Railway and the regional intercity high speed lines. The BR Class A25 Advanced High Speed Train is designed with an integrated support unit for fuel and water modules to extend range and is capable of speeds up to 200mph. It is expected that up to 1600 will be built to replace earlier passenger locomotives, whilst replacement of of BR’s almost 3000 freight locomotives will follow. June 2: Metropolitan Pimen of Leningrad and Ladoga is elected as Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia and head of the Russian Orthodox Church. His election is followed by the traditional difficult meeting with the General Secretary of the Soviet Union. June 3: A USAF paper on the future of the B-47 Stratojet states that it will be retired from regular service by 1980, giving it a total service life of 32 years. Its place in SAC’s Bomber fleet is to be filled by the B-76, whilst the replacement for the B-52 is on track to enter service by the end of the 1970s. June 4: RNAS aerial surveys in the South Pacific report an apparent new island chain 800 nautical miles east of the Line Islands, with the discovery confirmed by satellite observation later that day. June 5: Opening of the newly refurbished Imperial Mobile Warfare Training Centre in the Sinai, Israel, a facility for the operational training of British Commonwealth mechanised forces, joining the joint tropical and jungle warfare centre in Australia, the desert warfare centre in South Africa, the mountain warfare centre in India and the large expeditionary warfare centre in Suffield, Canada. June 6: Release of the first episode of The World at War on ITV, a £5 million 36 episode documentary on the history of the Second World War, narrated by Sir Laurence Olivier and including extensive period footage and interviews with a range of major figures from the time, including in the first episode, A New Germany, Kaiser Otto of Austria-Hungary, former British Prime Ministers The Earl of Avon and the Duke of London, former French premier Charles de Gaulle, anti-Nazi theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Albert Speer, Feldmarshall Erwin von Rommel, King Albrecht of Bavaria and Rudolf Hess. June 7: A Filipino Presidential aide announces the discovery of the Tasaday people, a previously uncontacted Stone Age savage tribe in the rainforests of Mindanao. June 8: Edmundo Zujkovic, a leading opponent of Chilean President Allende, is assassinated by a masked death squad. Allende declares a limited state of emergency in response to the killing. June 9: A large squadron of Argentine warships begins a series of combat drills 80nm north of the Falkland Islands, observed by RNAS Nimrods and ground based radar. June 10: USAF F-15s of the 1st Fighter Wing begin special air combat testing exercises against USN F-14s over Virginia in the first Exercise Black Thunder.June 11: The Home Office begins enforcement of statutory limitations on free unskilled migration into Britain from outside the Empire and Commonwealth. June 12: A USAF C-135 flying from Samoa to Hawaii mysteriously disappears without a trace somewhere in the vicinity of Palmyra Atoll, with their last communication being garbled beyond recognition. June 13: An Australian woman in Canberra gives birth to healthy nonuplets, becoming the largest instance of surviving multiple births on record; the mother is said to be tired but relieved. June 14: Six schoolboys disappear in the backwoods of Indiana on a Scout hike, leading to a large scale search by local and State police, civilians and troops from Camp Attenbury. June 15: American skier Bill Briggs becomes the first man to ski down the renowned and treacherous Grand Teton mountain, with his deed caught on film from a helicopter as proof. June 16: The FBI submits a secret report on apparent activity of supernatural benign figures across the United States, the so called 'Angel Report'. June 17: Germany overtakes France as the largest army in Western Europe as measured by total personnel for the first time since the Second World War; the Heer remains strictly limited in the number of active divisions it can deploy, but has increased the size of the Reserveheer by eight divisions since 1965 to 24. June 18: Beginning of the World Air Race in Paris, with 26 different competitors heading off around the globe in a variety of antique aircraft, mostly biplanes. June 19: 64 people are killed in a grenade attack on a mosque in Mindanao by an apparent group of government connected paramilitaries. June 20: The socialist People's Alliance wins a plurality in the Althing elections in Iceland. Their platform of the extension of Icelandic territorial waters, minimisation of NATO forces, removal of nuclear weapons and the nationalisation of the aluminium refining industry is regarded as highly alarming by the other parties and Iceland's Western allies alike. June 21: A USAF test pilot is mistaken for an alien spaceman after ejecting from his experimental rocketplane over Wyoming, with a young tow-headed boy informing him he was on ‘Earth’ when he stumbled into a diner and queried his location. June 22: An Irish musician is fined in Gibraltar for refusing to pay a ferryman after a dispute over the terms of service, which caused him to miss his Spanish train; the lamenting bard was comforted when leaving the court by a lady in red. June 23: The Polish Communist government transfers former German Lutheran Church buildings in Western Polish territories annexed from Germany after the Second World War to the Roman Catholic Church. June 24: A Soviet Kosmos military reconnaissance satellite fails to achieve its operating orbit, suffering an apparent second stage booster failure shortly after launch; a number of anomalous temperature fluctuations are recorded by test aircraft operating near the launch site at Baikonur. June 25: Egyptian purchases £900 million worth of armaments from Britain, including 100 further de Havilland Spectres and hundreds of new MBTs, APCs, guns and tactical missiles. June 26: Tightrope walker Phillipe Petit performs a daring walk between the two spires of Notre Dame without a pole or safety net. Upon safely making it to the ground, he is arrested on public order grounds and imprisoned in the Conciergerie overnight before being firmly chastised and released. June 27: Japanese Prime Minister in waiting Yukio Mishima is appointed as Minister for International Trade and Industry. June 28: Romanian Securitate arrest a serial killer in Bucharest who turns out to be a vampire. The undead monster is destroyed in an attempted escape, leaving only tantalising clues as to the suggestion of vampiric grand plan behind the killings. June 29: The Beatles rescue a young sperm whale lost in the Thames in a yellow mini submarine loaned by the Royal Navy, with the aid of the river’s renewed population of friendly dolphins. June 30: Bulgaria signs an agreement with Byzantine Greece for the integration of their collective field forces in Thrace and Bulgaria into a single army group command.
June June 1: British Railways unveils its next generation of steam locomotives for service on general and local routes throughout the British Isles as a compliment to the magical levitation super trains on the main lines of the Grand Railway and the regional intercity high speed lines. The BR Class A25 Advanced High Speed Train is designed with an integrated support unit for fuel and water modules to extend range and is capable of speeds up to 200mph. It is expected that up to 1600 will be built to replace earlier passenger locomotives, whilst replacement of of BR’s almost 3000 freight locomotives will follow. - Its really too late for something as outdated as steam power by this stage.
June 2: Metropolitan Pimen of Leningrad and Ladoga is elected as Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia and head of the Russian Orthodox Church. His election is followed by the traditional difficult meeting with the General Secretary of the Soviet Union. - Finding out what orders he has to obey. June 4: RNAS aerial surveys in the South Pacific report an apparent new island chain 800 nautical miles east of the Line Islands, with the discovery confirmed by satellite observation later that day. - Intriguing and considering how long people have been in space and the sheer level of activity there will definitely be questions asked about where they came from. June 6: Release of the first episode of The World at War on ITV, a £5 million 36 episode documentary on the history of the Second World War, narrated by Sir Laurence Olivier and including extensive period footage and interviews with a range of major figures from the time, including in the first episode, A New Germany, Kaiser Otto of Austria-Hungary, former British Prime Ministers The Earl of Avon and the Duke of London, former French premier Charles de Gaulle, anti-Nazi theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Albert Speer, Feldmarshall Erwin von Rommel, King Albrecht of Bavaria and Rudolf Hess. -
June 7: A Filipino Presidential aide announces the discovery of the Tasaday people, a previously uncontacted Stone Age savage tribe in the rainforests of Mindanao. - Interesting and checked this is OTL.
June 8: Edmundo Zujkovic, a leading opponent of Chilean President Allende, is assassinated by a masked death squad. Allende declares a limited state of emergency in response to the killing. - Was this killing OTL as can see no reference to the character on wiki?
June 9: A large squadron of Argentine warships begins a series of combat drills 80nm north of the Falkland Islands, observed by RNAS Nimrods and ground based radar. - That could be dangerous for them. June 11: The Home Office begins enforcement of statutory limitations on free unskilled migration into Britain from outside the Empire and Commonwealth. - Well that's somewhat more limited than OTL.
June 12: A USAF C-135 flying from Samoa to Hawaii mysteriously disappears without a trace somewhere in the vicinity of Palmyra Atoll, with their last communication being garbled beyond recognition. June 13: An Australian woman in Canberra gives birth to healthy nonuplets, becoming the largest instance of surviving multiple births on record; the mother is said to be tired but relieved. June 14: Six schoolboys disappear in the backwoods of Indiana on a Scout hike, leading to a large scale search by local and State police, civilians and troops from Camp Attenbury. June 15: American skier Bill Briggs becomes the first man to ski down the renowned and treacherous Grand Teton mountain, with his deed caught on film from a helicopter as proof. - Are any of those OTL events?
June 16: The FBI submits a secret report on apparent activity of supernatural benign figures across the United States, the so called 'Angel Report'. -
June 17: Germany overtakes France as the largest army in Western Europe as measured by total personnel for the first time since the Second World War; the Heer remains strictly limited in the number of active divisions it can deploy, but has increased the size of the Reserveheer by eight divisions since 1965 to 24. - Well that makes sense given that Germany has the larger population and is on the front line so to speak.
June 18: Beginning of the World Air Race in Paris, with 26 different competitors heading off around the globe in a variety of antique aircraft, mostly biplanes. - Is this a reference to the "Those Magnificant Men" film?
June 19: 64 people are killed in a grenade attack on a mosque in Mindanao by an apparent group of government connected paramilitaries. - Nasty
June 20: The socialist People's Alliance wins a plurality in the Althing elections in Iceland. Their platform of the extension of Icelandic territorial waters, minimisation of NATO forces, removal of nuclear weapons and the nationalisation of the aluminium refining industry is regarded as highly alarming by the other parties and Iceland's Western allies alike. - That will not go down well with just about anyone for various reasons.
June 21: A USAF test pilot is mistaken for an alien spaceman after ejecting from his experimental rocketplane over Wyoming, with a young tow-headed boy informing him he was on ‘Earth’ when he stumbled into a diner and queried his location. - June 22: An Irish musician is fined in Gibraltar for refusing to pay a ferryman after a dispute over the terms of service, which caused him to miss his Spanish train; the lamenting bard was comforted when leaving the court by a lady in red. - June 23: The Polish Communist government transfers former German Lutheran Church buildings in Western Polish territories annexed from Germany after the Second World War to the Roman Catholic Church. - Was this OTL? It would make sense given the change in population and their religion along with by this time the regime seeks to boost its support in the population.
June 25: Egyptian purchases £900 million worth of armaments from Britain, including 100 further de Havilland Spectres and hundreds of new MBTs, APCs, guns and tactical missiles. - Well that's a fair amount at this time and vastly different from the OTL reliant on Soviet purchase. . June 29: The Beatles rescue a young sperm whale lost in the Thames in a yellow mini submarine loaned by the Royal Navy, with the aid of the river’s renewed population of friendly dolphins. -
June 30: Bulgaria signs an agreement with Byzantine Greece for the integration of their collective field forces in Thrace and Bulgaria into a single army group command. - Well that's a big difference from the historical hostility between the two.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 3, 2023 13:11:46 GMT
Steve, 1.) This is not our grandfather's steam engine, but a fully modernised one that as said can easily do the required 200mph; the larger ones go at 375mph. They are arcanely boosted with a few other developments, but the trains themselves are based on a combination of locomotive.fandom.com/wiki/ACE_3000 , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5AT_Advanced_Technology_Steam_Locomotive and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LNER_Class_A4_4468_Mallard . The locomotives in general are much bigger than the ones of @, reflecting the larger loading gauge and broad gauge standard; Brunel won out early on in the Age of Rail rather than being an anomaly. Steam was chosen for a number of reasons. First of all, there is sheer inertia as it has been the dominant locomotive source of power in Britain to this point, with diesel not really making a significant inroad and electrification mainly confined to the south; secondly, it makes broad socio-economic sense in that it employs British coal that is still dug up by a politically important industry, particularly with its sharp decline for power generation use due to the rise of nuclear power; thirdly, it doesn't require new infrastructure per se in the form of an electrified line for the smaller regional routes that it has been specified for here; and fourthly by circumstance, as there has been a lot more opportunity to work on enchanted/magically augmented versions of the steam engine over the ~160 years of its use on British railways. 2.) There is a bit more of that going on both ways, with the Russian Orthodox Church being a power that the CPSU has chosen to accomodate rather than liquidate, with the rather nasty experiences of the WW2 Eastern Front being a lasting lesson for many in the Soviet leadership bloc; the priests are handy to keep around and in doing so, the Soviet government keeps control of them. A complex and troubled relationship. 4.) It is a consequence of some supernatural things, including the powers unleashed in WW2 and strange developments with re-emerging islands. Something is afoot. 6.) On the World at War: This is to be an even better series than @, with a greater range of available historical interviews from all sides (Yamamoto, 1960s footage of Patton, Eisenhower etc) and a number of additional/changed episodes: The Mediterranean (covering the naval war, Greece 1941, Crete, the islands campaign, and then the liberation of Greece); The Near East (the 1940-41 war against Turkey, ops in Iraq and Syria, the invasion of Persia, bombing ze Germans); The Peninsular War; Malaya and Indochina; The Pacific War (Guadalcanal, Tarawa, the Gilberts and Marshalls and Marianas); a whole episode on New Guinea and the Dutch East Indies; the Battle of Japan (Iwo Jima, Okinawa, the invasion of Kyushu, naval battles and air bombing). That gives us: 1. A New Germany 2. Distant War 3. The Fall of France 4. Alone 5. The Mediterranean 6. Near East 7. Barbarossa 8. The Peninsular War 9. Banzai - The Japanese Strike 10. On Our Way USA 11. The Desert War 12. Malaya and Indochina 13. Stalingrad 14. Wolfpack/Battle of the Atlantic 15. Red Star 16. Whirlwind/Bombing Offensive 17. Tough Old Gut 18. New Guinea and DEI 19. Burma, India and China 20. Keep the Home Fires Burning 21. Inside the Reich 22. Morning: D-Day 23. Occupied Holland 24. Pincers 25. Genocide: The Holocaust 25. Nemesis 26. The Pacific War 27. Japan at Home 28. The Battle of Japan 29. The Bomb 30. Reckoning 31. Peace? 32. Remember What are some suggestions as to the subjects of the extra 4 episodes? I'm thinking something on Poland and an episode on Free France. 7.) Quite correct. I'm musing whether to run with that or twist it around. 8.) Here, blame my late night finger typing on a phone whilst in bed. The name was Zujovic en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmundo_P%C3%A9rez_Zujovic9.) At the moment, they are limited to trying to show off a bit like a 13 year old boy. 11.) There have already been some 'brakes' put on Commonwealth migration from certain areas to Britain in the form of some legislative measures, but chiefly through a lack of postwar labour shortages in Britain and much better economic conditions in the West Indies and India. Here, the growing 'worry' is that there are a lot of Southern Europeans coming in more rapidly than others, in a bit of a hearkening back to the 1890s concerns over Eastern European and Jewish migration. 12-15.) The C-135 and Bill Briggs are almost entirely OTL, whilst the Australian nonuplets did not survive and the missing schoolboys is completely fictional; in that instance, I'm 'lacing' the timeline with future story hooks. I envisage that one being a bit of an American Elidor crossed with Picnic at Hanging Rock, with some different outcomes - the makings of a good old fashioned mystery yarn, one day. 16.) There do seem to be some very mysterious and benign figures going around the place, one of whom is Michael Landon's Jonathan Smith from Highway to Heaven. It may be a bit of 80s fantasy drama, but it was very fair, quite inclusive for its day with many handicapped and minority heroes/characters portrayed sensitively and respectfully and just rather nice. 17.) It does make a lot of sense, with France gradually shifting its numbers and emphasis to different areas. The draw down from Vietnam allowed the Germans to pip them and they will go further as time goes by. 18.) In a way, yes. There was a historical one back in 1911 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_Circuit_of_Europe_air_race albeit confined to Europe in @, but I wanted to put in an event that channelled TMMITFM, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Verne%27s_Rocket_to_the_Moon and some of the American caper/aviation films of the 1960s. 19.) Very nasty and sadly OTL. 20.) They got close in @, but here, getting that bit closer causes a lot of people to get a bit nervous. 21.) I do like that scene in Top Gun Maverick. 22.) As I also like the works of Chris de Burgh. 23.) Yes, a historical event. 25.) Very different. Here, Egypt has never had its coup and reflexive movement into the embrace of Moscow...well, apart from the few brief days in the 1956 'Six Day War' which bought the world to the brink of nuclear conflict and resulted in five years of very hard military occupation. The Soviets haven't had a lot of luck in penetrating the 'Third World', as the markets there were quite tightly shut until gradual independence and even afterwards, leaning Red wasn't seen as a good career move. We then need to factor in the reputation of Soviet tanks and aircraft, which took a battering in Korea and another somewhat lesser beating in Vietnam. I've been trying to think of a way whereby the Arabs and Egypt buy Soviet, but can't seem to figure one; their only success in the area was earlier in 1971 with the sale of Badgers to Ottoman Turkey. 29.) They have a role of something of an adventuring/do-good group like The Goodies, but will tend gradually towards some more musical elements in the process, as well as getting their own television and film series to boot. 30.) When the Red Army is across the Danube in Romania, it has a sterling impact in focusing both Bulgaria and Greece on the real threat, even if there is a bit of ancestral uneasiness in this latest embrace. Thanks for the many comments and questions, as ever. Simon
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Post by stevep on Jan 3, 2023 19:07:16 GMT
Steve, 1.) This is not our grandfather's steam engine, but a fully modernised one that as said can easily do the required 200mph; the larger ones go at 375mph. They are arcanely boosted with a few other developments, but the trains themselves are based on a combination of locomotive.fandom.com/wiki/ACE_3000 , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5AT_Advanced_Technology_Steam_Locomotive and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LNER_Class_A4_4468_Mallard . The locomotives in general are much bigger than the ones of @, reflecting the larger loading gauge and broad gauge standard; Brunel won out early on in the Age of Rail rather than being an anomaly. Steam was chosen for a number of reasons. First of all, there is sheer inertia as it has been the dominant locomotive source of power in Britain to this point, with diesel not really making a significant inroad and electrification mainly confined to the south; secondly, it makes broad socio-economic sense in that it employs British coal that is still dug up by a politically important industry, particularly with its sharp decline for power generation use due to the rise of nuclear power; thirdly, it doesn't require new infrastructure per se in the form of an electrified line for the smaller regional routes that it has been specified for here; and fourthly by circumstance, as there has been a lot more opportunity to work on enchanted/magically augmented versions of the steam engine over the ~160 years of its use on British railways. 2.) There is a bit more of that going on both ways, with the Russian Orthodox Church being a power that the CPSU has chosen to accomodate rather than liquidate, with the rather nasty experiences of the WW2 Eastern Front being a lasting lesson for many in the Soviet leadership bloc; the priests are handy to keep around and in doing so, the Soviet government keeps control of them. A complex and troubled relationship. 4.) It is a consequence of some supernatural things, including the powers unleashed in WW2 and strange developments with re-emerging islands. Something is afoot. 6.) On the World at War: This is to be an even better series than @, with a greater range of available historical interviews from all sides (Yamamoto, 1960s footage of Patton, Eisenhower etc) and a number of additional/changed episodes: The Mediterranean (covering the naval war, Greece 1941, Crete, the islands campaign, and then the liberation of Greece); The Near East (the 1940-41 war against Turkey, ops in Iraq and Syria, the invasion of Persia, bombing ze Germans); The Peninsular War; Malaya and Indochina; The Pacific War (Guadalcanal, Tarawa, the Gilberts and Marshalls and Marianas); a whole episode on New Guinea and the Dutch East Indies; the Battle of Japan (Iwo Jima, Okinawa, the invasion of Kyushu, naval battles and air bombing). That gives us: 1. A New Germany 2. Distant War 3. The Fall of France 4. Alone 5. The Mediterranean 6. Near East 7. Barbarossa 8. The Peninsular War 9. Banzai - The Japanese Strike 10. On Our Way USA 11. The Desert War 12. Malaya and Indochina 13. Stalingrad 14. Wolfpack/Battle of the Atlantic 15. Red Star 16. Whirlwind/Bombing Offensive 17. Tough Old Gut 18. New Guinea and DEI 19. Burma, India and China 20. Keep the Home Fires Burning 21. Inside the Reich 22. Morning: D-Day 23. Occupied Holland 24. Pincers 25. Genocide: The Holocaust 25. Nemesis 26. The Pacific War 27. Japan at Home 28. The Battle of Japan 29. The Bomb 30. Reckoning 31. Peace? 32. Remember What are some suggestions as to the subjects of the extra 4 episodes? I'm thinking something on Poland and an episode on Free France. 7.) Quite correct. I'm musing whether to run with that or twist it around. 8.) Here, blame my late night finger typing on a phone whilst in bed. The name was Zujovic en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmundo_P%C3%A9rez_Zujovic9.) At the moment, they are limited to trying to show off a bit like a 13 year old boy. 11.) There have already been some 'brakes' put on Commonwealth migration from certain areas to Britain in the form of some legislative measures, but chiefly through a lack of postwar labour shortages in Britain and much better economic conditions in the West Indies and India. Here, the growing 'worry' is that there are a lot of Southern Europeans coming in more rapidly than others, in a bit of a hearkening back to the 1890s concerns over Eastern European and Jewish migration. 12-15.) The C-135 and Bill Briggs are almost entirely OTL, whilst the Australian nonuplets did not survive and the missing schoolboys is completely fictional; in that instance, I'm 'lacing' the timeline with future story hooks. I envisage that one being a bit of an American Elidor crossed with Picnic at Hanging Rock, with some different outcomes - the makings of a good old fashioned mystery yarn, one day. 16.) There do seem to be some very mysterious and benign figures going around the place, one of whom is Michael Landon's Jonathan Smith from Highway to Heaven. It may be a bit of 80s fantasy drama, but it was very fair, quite inclusive for its day with many handicapped and minority heroes/characters portrayed sensitively and respectfully and just rather nice. 17.) It does make a lot of sense, with France gradually shifting its numbers and emphasis to different areas. The draw down from Vietnam allowed the Germans to pip them and they will go further as time goes by. 18.) In a way, yes. There was a historical one back in 1911 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_Circuit_of_Europe_air_race albeit confined to Europe in @, but I wanted to put in an event that channelled TMMITFM, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Verne%27s_Rocket_to_the_Moon and some of the American caper/aviation films of the 1960s. 19.) Very nasty and sadly OTL. 20.) They got close in @, but here, getting that bit closer causes a lot of people to get a bit nervous. 21.) I do like that scene in Top Gun Maverick. 22.) As I also like the works of Chris de Burgh. 23.) Yes, a historical event. 25.) Very different. Here, Egypt has never had its coup and reflexive movement into the embrace of Moscow...well, apart from the few brief days in the 1956 'Six Day War' which bought the world to the brink of nuclear conflict and resulted in five years of very hard military occupation. The Soviets haven't had a lot of luck in penetrating the 'Third World', as the markets there were quite tightly shut until gradual independence and even afterwards, leaning Red wasn't seen as a good career move. We then need to factor in the reputation of Soviet tanks and aircraft, which took a battering in Korea and another somewhat lesser beating in Vietnam. I've been trying to think of a way whereby the Arabs and Egypt buy Soviet, but can't seem to figure one; their only success in the area was earlier in 1971 with the sale of Badgers to Ottoman Turkey. 29.) They have a role of something of an adventuring/do-good group like The Goodies, but will tend gradually towards some more musical elements in the process, as well as getting their own television and film series to boot. 30.) When the Red Army is across the Danube in Romania, it has a sterling impact in focusing both Bulgaria and Greece on the real threat, even if there is a bit of ancestral uneasiness in this latest embrace. Thanks for the many comments and questions, as ever. Simon
Simon
Thanks for the quick and detailed response. My comments as follows:
4.) It is a consequence of some supernatural things, including the powers unleashed in WW2 and strange developments with re-emerging islands. Something is afoot. - 12" - sorry I couldn't resist that. Have to see what turns up.
6.) On the World at War: This is to be an even better series than @, with a greater range of available historical interviews from all sides (Yamamoto, 1960s footage of Patton, Eisenhower etc) and a number of additional/changed episodes: The Mediterranean (covering the naval war, Greece 1941, Crete, the islands campaign, and then the liberation of Greece); The Near East (the 1940-41 war against Turkey, ops in Iraq and Syria, the invasion of Persia, bombing ze Germans); The Peninsular War; Malaya and Indochina; The Pacific War (Guadalcanal, Tarawa, the Gilberts and Marshalls and Marianas); a whole episode on New Guinea and the Dutch East Indies; the Battle of Japan (Iwo Jima, Okinawa, the invasion of Kyushu, naval battles and air bombing).
That gives us:
1. A New Germany 2. Distant War 3. The Fall of France 4. Alone 5. The Mediterranean 6. Near East 7. Barbarossa 8. The Peninsular War 9. Banzai - The Japanese Strike 10. On Our Way USA 11. The Desert War 12. Malaya and Indochina 13. Stalingrad 14. Wolfpack/Battle of the Atlantic 15. Red Star 16. Whirlwind/Bombing Offensive 17. Tough Old Gut 18. New Guinea and DEI 19. Burma, India and China 20. Keep the Home Fires Burning 21. Inside the Reich 22. Morning: D-Day 23. Occupied Holland 24. Pincers 25. Genocide: The Holocaust 25. Nemesis 26. The Pacific War 27. Japan at Home 28. The Battle of Japan 29. The Bomb 30. Reckoning 31. Peace? 32. Remember
What are some suggestions as to the subjects of the extra 4 episodes? I'm thinking something on Poland and an episode on Free France. - A couple of good possibilities including Poland under occupation and then the 'liberation' by the Soviets and Warsaw uprising if it occurred here. The chapter on Free French could also look at the other free forces that fought in exile?
Possible others might include: a) Split say Malaya and Indo-China in two as there's the initial defensive battles to hold the Japanese surge and then the counter attack into FIC. b) Given how large and long the Atlantic battle was possibly some other aspect of the war there. Including possibly surface battles. c) Possibly a chapter on Kursk or Leningrad as the other two dramatic eastern front battles/campaigns d) Possibly a chapter on China on its own as that was the longest war chronologically and would have been different here. e) Something on the massive commitment of the empire and dominions? f) Presuming Pinchers relates to the closing in on Germany? However this is still a huge subject and possibly also some aspect of the fighting in the Balkans and how that's partitioned here. g) Possibly some chapter on a big naval battle in the Pacific - something like Midway unless that hasn't occurred here as the commonly thought of turning point?
7.) Quite correct. I'm musing whether to run with that or twist it around. - see what develops. 8.) Here, blame my late night finger typing on a phone whilst in bed. The name was Zujovic en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmundo_P%C3%A9rez_Zujovic - OK thanks. Nasty and shows that no all the bad guys were on the right, 9.) At the moment, they are limited to trying to show off a bit like a 13 year old boy. - 11.) There have already been some 'brakes' put on Commonwealth migration from certain areas to Britain in the form of some legislative measures, but chiefly through a lack of postwar labour shortages in Britain and much better economic conditions in the West Indies and India. Here, the growing 'worry' is that there are a lot of Southern Europeans coming in more rapidly than others, in a bit of a hearkening back to the 1890s concerns over Eastern European and Jewish migration. - So a slightly different version of Enoch and friends. 12-15.) The C-135 and Bill Briggs are almost entirely OTL, whilst the Australian nonuplets did not survive and the missing schoolboys is completely fictional; in that instance, I'm 'lacing' the timeline with future story hooks. I envisage that one being a bit of an American Elidor crossed with Picnic at Hanging Rock, with some different outcomes - the makings of a good old fashioned mystery yarn, one day. - 16.) There do seem to be some very mysterious and benign figures going around the place, one of whom is Michael Landon's Jonathan Smith from Highway to Heaven. It may be a bit of 80s fantasy drama, but it was very fair, quite inclusive for its day with many handicapped and minority heroes/characters portrayed sensitively and respectfully and just rather nice. - Ah. Never saw the series but vaguely remember it. 21.) I do like that scene in Top Gun Maverick. - 22.) As I also like the works of Chris de Burgh. - 23.) Yes, a historical event. 25.) Very different. Here, Egypt has never had its coup and reflexive movement into the embrace of Moscow...well, apart from the few brief days in the 1956 'Six Day War' which bought the world to the brink of nuclear conflict and resulted in five years of very hard military occupation. The Soviets haven't had a lot of luck in penetrating the 'Third World', as the markets there were quite tightly shut until gradual independence and even afterwards, leaning Red wasn't seen as a good career move. We then need to factor in the reputation of Soviet tanks and aircraft, which took a battering in Korea and another somewhat lesser beating in Vietnam. I've been trying to think of a way whereby the Arabs and Egypt buy Soviet, but can't seem to figure one; their only success in the area was earlier in 1971 with the sale of Badgers to Ottoman Turkey. 30.) When the Red Army is across the Danube in Romania, it has a sterling impact in focusing both Bulgaria and Greece on the real threat, even if there is a bit of ancestral uneasiness in this latest embrace. - True.
Steve
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 4, 2023 2:19:27 GMT
Steve, A pleasure as always. 4.) Very well played. 6.) A lot on The World at War. a) Splitting these up would result in 3 episodes on SE Asia, or 4 if we count the New Guinea/DEI episode. A little inflated as to its position in the global war. b) The Battle of the Atlantic involved the ASW operations, the Bismarck sinking and no further in depth battles. It might be stretching things to the point of the Battle of the Atlantic episode of The Secret War to try and drill down more. c) Leningrad, certainly could be done. There isn't a Battle of Kursk/Citadel in Dark Earth, with the Germans instead pursuing Manstein's 'backhanded' offensives whilst building up the Panther-Wotan Line. This is one reason as to why the Soviets only make it to the Oder rather than the Elbe (plus Prague, Vienna et al). Something more could come out of the Eastern Front than 2 episodes in any case. d) An excellent idea. We didn't get anything like that in @ because the Bamboo Curtain was still very high, but here, there might be scope for it. I provisionally included it in the 'CBI' episode, as the major ground action (from a Western Allied perspective) came in 1945 when the Anglo-American armies pushed into China. e) A very interesting idea; it can pair with the famous Punch cartoon "So our poor old Empire is alone in the world." "Aye, all five hundred million of us." f) Pincers was about the collapse of Germany, which in @ only came from the 2 directions - France and Italy. Here, there is the big advance from the West, the very big advance from the south (Italy plus the Balkans thrust) and one from the north (liberation of Southern Norway, the Swedes liberating Denmark along with British + Canadian airborne et al). I think it will suffice as is. g) Midway does occur, along with other naval battles on both sides of the Pacific One part that could be included is a specific episode on Scandinavia, covering The Winter War, Norway in 1940 and onwards, Sweden at war, Denmark under occupation and liberation. 7.) Following the historical path sets up a bit of a shock as to the fraud, whereas the opposite provides questions as to how and why. 8.) Indeed. My old understanding was similar, but there is a lot more going on in Chile than the base narrative. 11.) Quite different, not least of all because the main push comes from the Left in the form of trade unions. The 2020s stereotypical paradigm of 'pro-immigration Left' and 'anti-immigration Right' doesn't really apply in the 1960s and 1970s. The Conservatives aren't particularly strong on the issue, as it hasn't really come up before now in the postwar period, whilst Labour are driven by the views of their power base - the unions and the traditional working class. There is a pro-immigration faction within the third party, the Liberals, but even there, it hasn't subsumed the entire of that party, which straddles both sides of the political centre. 16.) It is good for what it is. 30.) Difficult times make for strange bedfellows. Simon
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Post by stevep on Jan 4, 2023 9:31:18 GMT
Steve, A pleasure as always. 4.) Very well played. 6.) A lot on The World at War. a) Splitting these up would result in 3 episodes on SE Asia, or 4 if we count the New Guinea/DEI episode. A little inflated as to its position in the global war. b) The Battle of the Atlantic involved the ASW operations, the Bismarck sinking and no further in depth battles. It might be stretching things to the point of the Battle of the Atlantic episode of The Secret War to try and drill down more. c) Leningrad, certainly could be done. There isn't a Battle of Kursk/Citadel in Dark Earth, with the Germans instead pursuing Manstein's 'backhanded' offensives whilst building up the Panther-Wotan Line. This is one reason as to why the Soviets only make it to the Oder rather than the Elbe (plus Prague, Vienna et al). Something more could come out of the Eastern Front than 2 episodes in any case. d) An excellent idea. We didn't get anything like that in @ because the Bamboo Curtain was still very high, but here, there might be scope for it. I provisionally included it in the 'CBI' episode, as the major ground action (from a Western Allied perspective) came in 1945 when the Anglo-American armies pushed into China. e) A very interesting idea; it can pair with the famous Punch cartoon "So our poor old Empire is alone in the world." "Aye, all five hundred million of us." f) Pincers was about the collapse of Germany, which in @ only came from the 2 directions - France and Italy. Here, there is the big advance from the West, the very big advance from the south (Italy plus the Balkans thrust) and one from the north (liberation of Southern Norway, the Swedes liberating Denmark along with British + Canadian airborne et al). I think it will suffice as is. g) Midway does occur, along with other naval battles on both sides of the Pacific One part that could be included is a specific episode on Scandinavia, covering The Winter War, Norway in 1940 and onwards, Sweden at war, Denmark under occupation and liberation. 7.) Following the historical path sets up a bit of a shock as to the fraud, whereas the opposite provides questions as to how and why. 8.) Indeed. My old understanding was similar, but there is a lot more going on in Chile than the base narrative. 11.) Quite different, not least of all because the main push comes from the Left in the form of trade unions. The 2020s stereotypical paradigm of 'pro-immigration Left' and 'anti-immigration Right' doesn't really apply in the 1960s and 1970s. The Conservatives aren't particularly strong on the issue, as it hasn't really come up before now in the postwar period, whilst Labour are driven by the views of their power base - the unions and the traditional working class. There is a pro-immigration faction within the third party, the Liberals, but even there, it hasn't subsumed the entire of that party, which straddles both sides of the political centre. 16.) It is good for what it is. 30.) Difficult times make for strange bedfellows. Simon
The Punch cartoon reminded me of another war time one of two soldiers, probably also by Punch. Two Scottish soldiers on guard duty talking, obviously shortly after the all of France. soldier 1 - Have you heard, they say England is going to make peace?
soldier 2 - Gods its going to be a long war if its just us against the Germans and Italians.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 10, 2023 13:32:25 GMT
Selected GDPs/Capita 1970
New Zealand: $32,914.65 USA: $32,023.33 Denmark: $31,928.13 Britain: $28,901.17 New Avalon: $28,872.92 Australia: $27,846.69 Switzerland: $27,259.62 Israel: $24,199.67 Sweden: $23,769.88 Canada: $23,509.71 Germany: $21,263.49 South Africa: $18,454.26 Benelux: $17,467.03 Prydain: $17,760.33 German People's Democratic Republic: $16,151.95 France: $15,743 Norway: $15,347.72 Venezuela: $14,357.41 Japan: $13,796.97 Soviet Union: $13,113.17 Argentina: $13,067.67 Italy: $12,237.6 Rhodesia: $11,705.17 Austria-Hungary: $9798.92 Greece: $9633.11 Spain: $9277.28 Brazil: $7223.51 Mexico: $5992.3 India: $2866.53 China: $1929.15
1970 World Populations
1.) China: 982,236,905 2.) India: 686,183,926 3.) Soviet Union: 378,257,846 4.) USA: 331,262,928 5.) Japan: 256,450,985 6.) Indonesia: 245,035,111 7.) Germany: 192,495,335 8.) Brazil: 165,745,293 9.) France: 143,599,781 10.) Mexico: 139,512,364
11.) Britain: 136,978,142 12.) Austria-Hungary: 125,849,342 13.) Turkey: 120,118,845 14.) Italy: 117,934,202 15.) Spain: 102,181,784 16.) Nigeria: 90,624,576 17.) Korea: 87,712,527 18.) Canada 84,903,659 19.) Poland: 81,139,578 20.) Persia 74,736,831
21.) Egypt 73,331,887 22.) Thailand 71,137,652 23.) Argentina 63,056,362 24.) Ethiopia 62,777,386 25.) Philippines 57,294,819 26.) Peru 52,626,149 27.) Greece 50,554,826 28.) Romania 49,376,204 29.) Congo 48,274,513 30.) Colombia 46,906,914
31.) Mongolia: 42,675,223 32.) South Vietnam 40,783,459 33.) North Vietnam 38,494,160 34.) South Africa 36,967,276 35.) Netherlands 35,772,363 36.) Yugoslavia 35,346,407 37.) Australia 32,887,795 38.) Morocco 29,903,472 39.) Venezuela 28,347,729 40.) Sweden 27,724,167
41.) Belgium 26,768,264 42.) Chile 26,242,685 43.) Syria 24,808,129 44.) French Algeria 23,448,335 45.) Malaya 22,032,858 46.) Tanganyika 21,216,998 47.) West Indies 20,375,189 48.) Rhodesia 19,757,450 49.) Arabia 18,820,243 50.) Portugal 18,452,996
51.) Bulgaria 17,559,132 52.) Iraq 16,925,330 53.) Taiwan 16,580,145 54.) Switzerland 15,590,824 55.) Ceylon 15,562,490 56.) New Avalon 15,503,082 57.) Kenya 15,287,224 58.) Afghanistan 14,781,024 59.) Yemen 14,183,786 60.) Sudan 13,862,848
61.) Bolivia 12,732,938 62.) Uganda 12,589,827 63.) Norway 12,469,375 64.) German People's Democratic Republic 12,506,230 65.) Ashante Confederation 12,033,273 66.) Ecuador 11,216,367 67.) Finland 10,892,555 68.) Cambodia 10,555,475 69.) Tunisia 10,268,120 70.) Mali Federation 10,010,833
71.) Santo Domingo 9,809,348 72.) Cameroon 9,702,784 73.) Senegambia 9,382,507 74.) Paraguay 9,053,694 75.) Madagascar 8,725,629 76.) Denmark 8,550,454 77.) Aranguay 8,407,742 78.) Guatemala 8,385,572 79.) Rwanda-Burundi 8,297,947 80.) Israel 8,156,257
81.) Libya 7,627,754 82.) Chad 7,162,245 83.) Haiti 6,628,365 84.) Prydain 6,249,884 85.) New Zealand 6,095,562 86.) Uruguay 5,956,938 87.) French Guinea 5,929,387 88.) Niger 5,692,359 89.) El Salvador 5,510,959 90.) Somalia 5,348,672
91.) Moldovian People's Democratic Republic 5,447,235 92.) Lebanon 5,332,793 93.) Honduras 5,261,142 94.) Tibet 5,015,204 95.) Costa Rica 4,865,893 96.) Albania 4,604,568 97.) Hong Kong 4,506,787 98.) North Laos 4,249,428 99.) Yucatan 4,019,294 100.) Ruritania 3,981,206
101.) Galician People's Democratic Republic 3,825,673 102.) Newfoundland 3,710,103 103.) Equatoria 3,532,789 104.) Liberia 3,254,339 105.) Ruthenian People's Democratic Republic 3,017,914 106.) Singapore 2,987,485 107.) South Laos 2,956,087 108.) Jordan 2,788,579 109.) Los Altos 2,543,375 110.) Tibet 2,458,034
111.) Togoland 2,013,921 112.) Dahomey 1,944,096 113.) Ubangi-Shari 1,825,353 114.) Orungu 1,724,618 115.) Luxembourg 1,560,938 116.) Azania 1,490,364 117.) Iceland 1,176,931
1970 World GDPs
1.) USA 10,608,144,009,891 (+ 5.29%) 2.) USSR 4,960,161,796,672 (+ 8.87%) 3.) Germany 4,093,122,180,171 (+ 4.97%) 4.) Britain 3,958,828,222,343 (+ 5.25%) 5.) Japan 3,538,247,610,571 (+ 9.62%) 6.) France 2,260,691,555,954 (+ 8.15%) 7.) India 1,966,967,043,165 (- 0.88%) 8.) Canada 1,957,853,379,512 (+ 7.84%) 9.) China 1,894,884,537,803 (-2.65%) 10.) Italy 1,443,231,408,096 (+ 4.57%)
11.) Austria-Hungary 1,233,186,607,912 (+ 10.75%) 12.) Brazil: 1197.2634 (+9.74%) 13.) Benelux: 1119.6642 (+6.23%) 14.) Spain: 947.9694 (+4.98%) 15.) Australia 895,060,886,342 (+ 5.87%) 16.) Mexico: 836 (+ 6.26%) 17.) Argentina: 824 (+ 7.62%) 18.) South Africa: 682,203,607,069 (+ 5.48%) 19.) Sweden: 659 (+ 5.8%) 20.) Turkey: 615 (+ 5.84%)
21.) Poland: 598 (+ 6.79%) 22.) Indonesia: 586 (+ 10.61%) 23.) Persia: 552 (+ 9.26%) 24.) Greece: 487 (+ 7.89%) 25.) Korea: 456 (+ 7.24%) 26.) New Avalon 447,619,253,137 (+ 4.17%) 27.) Switzerland 425 (+ 5.82%) 28.) Venezuela 407 (+ 7.15%) 29.) Yugoslavia: 384 (+ 4.33%) 30.) Philippines 359 (+ 4.26%)
31.) Colombia 336 (+ 4.302%) 32.) Chile 325 (+ 3.346%) 33.) Thailand 320 (-1.26%) 34.) Peru 306 (3.76%) 35.) Nigeria 284 (7.52%) 36.) Denmark 273 (5.49%) 37.) Romania 260 (6.65%) 38.) Arabia 254 (+ 6.457%) 39.) Taiwan 247 (+ 8.83%) 40.) Iraq 239 (+ 8.29%)
41.) Portugal 238 (+ 4.95%) 42.) Rhodesia $231,264,301,763 (+ 10.69%) 43.) West Indies Federation 225 (+ 6.38%) 44.) Egypt 215 (+ 7.57%) 45.) German Democratic Republic 202 (+ 7.5%) 46.) New Zealand 200,633,273,526 (+ 6.92%) 47.) Israel 197,378,711,237 (10.26%) 48.) Norway 192 (+ 3.5%) 49.) Finland 170 (+ 4.17%) 50.) Bulgaria 161 (+ 5.56%)
51.) Malaya 159 (+ 6.35%) 52.) Newfoundland 156 (+ 3.89%) 53.) Ethiopia 125 (+ 9.82%) 54.) Morocco 118 (+ 6.37%) 55.) South Vietnam 115 56.) Prydain 111 57.) Ruritania 106 58.) Ceylon 98 59.) North Vietnam 91 60.) Libya 87.93
61.) Ashante Federation (GC + IC): 82.73 62.) Congo 64.79 63.) Bolivia 53 64.) Ecuador 46 65.) Tunisia 43.54 66.) Uruguay 42 67.) Mongolia 42 68.) Kenya 41.68 69.) Sudan 37.547 70.) Cambodia 35
71.) Uganda: 33.8 72.) Guatemala 33.57 73.) Tanganyika: 32.78 74.) Paraguay 32 75.) Senegambia 30.47 76.) Jordan 29.62 77.) Cameroon 29.58 78.) El Salvador 24.83 79.) Afghanistan 23.84 80.) Dominican Republic 23.75
81.) Mali Federation 22.48864 (Mali and Upper Volta) 82.) Costa Rica 21.22 83.) Madagascar 19.6 84.) Albania 19.5 85.) Nicaragua 18.94 86.) Aranguay 18.35 87.) Somalia 17.45 88.) Yucatan 17.28 89.) Lebanon: 17.1 90.) Tibet 16.49
91.) Los Altos 15.4125 92.) Rwanda-Burundi 15.28 93.) Niger 14.6196 94.) Honduras 13.2 95.) Liberia 12.9 96.) Orungu 12.7872 97.) People's Republic of Bukovina 12.53 98.) Togoland 12.482 99.) Yemen 12.25 100.) Haiti 11.2
101.) Equatoria 10.25608 102.) North Laos 10.13 103.) People's Republic of Moldavia: 9.32 104.) Iceland 8.75 105.) Chad 8.6 106.) People's Republic of Galicia 8.584 107.) French Guinea 8.549 108.) Dahomeny 7.8435 109.) Ubangi-Shari 7.29 110.) Democratic Republic of Ruthenia: 7.15 111.) Azania 5.23 112.) South Laos 4.95
- Separate GDP for Hong Kong, Singapore, Algeria aren't listed, being colonies/part of metropolitan nations; Benelux is combined. - The figures next to the top 50 are the 1970 economic growth/shrinkage - Note that Oman, Qatar and the Trucial States/UAE are all still British protectorates; Bahrain, Southern Arabia and Kuwait are Crown Colonies; and Nepal and Burma are part of India - The West Indies Federation consists of Jamaica, Cuba, Trinidad and Tobago, Barbados, Gran Dracaria (largish island near the Caymans), British Guiana, British Honduras, the Caymans, Turks and Caicos, the Bahamas, Grenada, Dominica, Antigua and Barbuda, Montserrat, Anguilla, St. Christopher Nevis, the Virgin Islands, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, St. Lucia and any other small specks as appropriate - Aranguay is an independent Rio Grande do Sul - Sinkiang is the Soviet puppet state of Tartary, so is excluded from calculations for now - Collective GDP for 51-108 is $1,809,189,520,000, or less than China or numbers 41-50 in the list - Collective GDP for 20-50 is $10,475,000,000,000, or less than the USA, which also outweighs 11-20 comfortably - A bit of data to go with last year's GDPs to give us some approximate measure of GDP/capita
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