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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 20, 2022 0:38:29 GMT
No, as it cannot happen. Even if something looks like another species, it doesn’t make it so.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 20, 2022 13:12:01 GMT
March March 1: A large tsunami in Southern Mars causes widespread flooding on the continents of Qobal and Elysium and substantial disturbance of oceanic trade, resulting in a delay to the Martian Convoy. March 2: Over 20,000 Uruguayan Army and police personnel launch a series of sweeps through Montevideo aimed at tracking down and eliminating various Tupamaros cells and investigating reports that Carlos Marighella and Che Guevara are in the metropolis. March 3: Indian and Chinese fighters engage in a brief aerial skirmish over the Burmese border, with the RIAF claiming to have downed five Chinese planes, whilst Peking claims to have eliminated an entire enemy fighter squadron. March 4: In what was later called the ‘Century's Snowstorm’, Southern Quebec is blanketed by an average 20 inches of snow over the day and night, leading to cars being abandoned on the streets of Montreal, thousands of people being stranded in bars, hotels, restaurants, train stations and churches and police forced to patrol on snowmobiles. Canadian Army wizards are called in to clear roads and rail lines with magic, including fireballs usually seen only in pitched combat. March 5: Australia and Britain conducts an underground nuclear test at the Maralinga Test Site in South Australia, with Christmas Island being prepared for the potential return to atmospheric testing. March 6: Beginning of Exercise Brave Defender, a large scale nation-wide home defence exercise involving every branch of the British Armed Forces. RAF Fighter Command and the Army’s Anti-Aircraft Command are to conduct a two week simulated campaign against bombers and cruise missiles under the auspices of Air Defence of Great Britain, whilst the Royal Navy are to engage in mining, countermining and ASW operations and over 600,000 personnel from the Regular Army, Army Reserve, Territorial Army and the Home Guard engage enemy commandos, airborne landings and sabotage operations along with other tasks of home defence. March 7: Die Sendung mit der Maus debuts on German television, after a brief and unsuccessful attempt at a legal injunction by an American entertainment company heavily associated with mice. March 8: Joe Frazier defeats Cassius Clay in the so-called ‘Fight of the Century’ at Madison Square Garden, knocking him out in the 15th round with a tremendous blow that sends Clay clear out of the ring and en route to hospital. After the bout, a beheaded man is found in the parking garage, sparking an investigation by the NYPD Special Division. March 9: The American Safety Razor Company ends its novel advertising campaign of including sample of actual razor blades with Sunday newspapers across 59 American cities after a sharp public response and much cutting criticism beyond the intended market slice. March 10: A full squadron of RAF Avro Vulcan bombers sets off for a round the world flight, to culminate in a live fire exercise in Western Australia testing new air launched cruise missiles and the newest Blue Steel variants. March 11: After an initiative begun by two 11 year old boys in Tennessee, a national simultaneous morning prayer is held in more than 10,000 elementary and high schools across the United States for the safety and success of Orion 6 on its voyage to Neptune and Uranus. March 12: Simultaneous coup attempts are launched in Ottoman Turkey, causing considerable confusion and their eventual failure due to mutual interference. Embarrassingly, both factions try to capture the central television broadcasting studios at the same time, entering through different sides of the building during the live broadcast of a comedy variety programme. March 13: Wales defeats Ireland 25-10 to win the Home Nations Rugby Championship, cementing its position as the leading rugby nation in the British Isles. March 14: American and Soviet diplomats fail to resolve intractable differences over a proposed treaty on the militarisation of the seabed and oceans, but ongoing strategic arms negotiations achieve something of a milestone, with the U.S. delegation signalling that it would be willing to consider capping its land based and sea based missiles at 3000 and 2000 respectively; given that the Soviet Union currently deploys 1426 LRBMs and 964 modern SLBMs on 32 Yankee, 20 India and 10 Hotel class atomic ballistic missile submarines and 12 battleships, this provides the beginning of an opportunity to catch up with the West. March 15: A disaffected Chilean Army colonel is arrested for planning to assassinate Prime Minister Allende in the manner of the death of Julius Caesar, being identified by his toga and clumsily concealed dagger. March 16: The Royal Israeli Air Force places an order for 250 Hawker-Siddeley P.1204 Hurricanes to replace its current fleet of Merlin fighter-bombers, with the British Hurricane being currently in production being the first of two decisive factors in its success over the Convair YF-16, with the other being its subsidised cost under Commonwealth defence agreements. Rigorous operational and simulated combat testing of the McDonnell-Douglas F-15 Eagle, Supermarine Spitfire and Dassault Super Mirage 2000 for the frontline air superiority role is ongoing, with the new aircraft planned to provide a long range compliment to the RIAFs English Electric Lightnings and the multi-role swing fighter force of F-4 Phantoms and de Havilland Tornadoes. March 17: New York Senator and former Attorney-General Robert F. Kennedy gives a lengthy and noteworthy speech in Baltimore on urban renewal, which many political commentators see as the beginning of his campaign for the Democratic nomination for President in 1972; his brother, President John F. Kennedy, has already indicated he will not seek a fourth term in office. March 18: A landslide in Peru causes a localised flood that destroys an entire mining camp, killing over 200 people. Some strange metallic artifacts are later found in exposed portions of Yanawayin Lake and taken to Lima for examination. March 19: The US Army and the CIA begin development of a powerful new helicopter with a number of innovative attributes in Project Airwolf, with a goal of fielding the world's most versatile VTOL aircraft to equip various special operations groups. March 20: A delegation of high ranking Byzantine Greek military officers arrives in London for talks on a broad and extensive plan of military modernisation of the Imperial Armed Forces, including possible large orders for modern aircraft, tanks and missile systems. March 21: The federal general election in Austria-Hungary results in a hung lower house of the Imperial Diet, with a proliferation of regional and minor parties drawing support away from the previously dominant Conservatives and Social-Democrats. Talks commence for the formation of a grand coalition to prevent the necessity for an additional expensive election. March 22: CBS renews a number of its popular and successful rural-themed situation comedies and variety shows for the next three seasons, including The Beverley Hillbillies, Have Gun - Will Travel, The Andy Griffith Show and Lassie, as well as acquiring the rights for US broadcast of the renewed Australian series Skippy the Bush Kangaroo, which had been on temporary hiatus due to the star marsupial's unfortunate opium issue. March 23: The Soviet Union conducts nine Peaceful Nuclear Explosions as part of the construction of a canal between the Pechora and Kama Rivers, but elects to pause the process to fully consider the number needed for successful completion of the project. March 24: The Jewish Legion is formally transferred to Israeli command, ending a 35 year old legal fiction that saw it formally operate under British Army control. The elite international volunteer formation, equivalent to a reinforced division in strength, won renown in the Second World War and Korea; Israeli Army High Command indicates to London that it will remain at its current basing in the Sinai for the foreseeable future. March 25: Retirement of former Yugoslav Prime Minister Josip Broz, the Kingdom's dominant political figure since the last war and a bulwark of socialist opposition to Soviet communism. March 26: The Fukushima Daichi Atomic Fusion Power Plant begins experimental operations, becoming the first operating fusion facility outside of the United States, USSR, Britain and Canada and signalling to some the re-emerging strategic significance of the Empire of Japan, which is rapidly growing to match its economic, industrial and technological clout. March 27: Death of former Haitian dictator François Duvalier at a U.S. military prison in Panama; his son and erstwhile heir is held separately in a facility on Guam. March 28: Expansion of the British air, naval and army base at Trincomalee, Ceylon is completed; the project is seen as a key in cementing British power East of Suez along with the so-called 'superbases' in Aden and Singapore and supporting island facilities. March 29: South Africa tests its first indigenously developed space rocket from a range in the Kalahari Desert, with the launch apparently perturbing local Bushmen tribes to no end and leading to one elder being sent south as an emissary to find out what was the cause of the apparent cosmic disturbance; SADF patrols encounter the fellow who is revealed to be none other than the individual who handed an empty Coca-Cola bottle to King George VI and Queen Elizabeth during their 1947 tour of Southern Africa. March 30: Establishment of the first 'Starbucks' coffee shop in Seattle, with the local chain increasing to some 17 Washington outlets before folding in 1975. March 31: The BBC broadcasts the first episode of a new children's science-fiction programme, Doctor Who, showing the adventures through time and space of a mysterious yet kindly doctor and his companions. It is noted for its strange and innovative electronic theme music and outstandingly realistic special effects; a few viewers question the necessity of the brief legal disclaimer at the end of the closing credits that 'the story, all characters and events are purely fictitious and any resemblance with actual persons, places, events, buildings, planets and products is coincidental', but a BBC spokesgnome explains it as a diplomatic measure to alleviate ruffled feathers, both literal and figurative, in the Tharsisian Empire on Mars.
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Post by stevep on Dec 20, 2022 15:17:50 GMT
MarchMarch 1: A large tsunami in Southern Mars causes widespread flooding on the continents of Qobal and Elysium and substantial disturbance of oceanic trade, resulting in a delay to the Martian Convoy. March 2: Over 20,000 Uruguayan Army and police personnel launch a series of sweeps through Montevideo aimed at tracking down and eliminating various Tupamaros cells and investigating reports that Carlos Marighella and Che Guevara are in the metropolis. March 3: Indian and Chinese fighters engage in a brief aerial skirmish over the Burmese border, with the RIAF claiming to have downed five Chinese planes, whilst Peking claims to have eliminated an entire enemy fighter squadron. March 4: In what was later called the ‘Century's Snowstorm’, Southern Quebec is blanketed by an average 20 inches of snow over the day and night, leading to cars being abandoned on the streets of Montreal, thousands of people being stranded in bars, hotels, restaurants, train stations and churches and police forced to patrol on snowmobiles. Canadian Army wizards are called in to clear roads and rail lines with magic, including fireballs usually seen only in pitched combat. March 5: Australia and Britain conducts an underground nuclear test at the Maralinga Test Site in South Australia, with Christmas Island being prepared for the potential return to atmospheric testing. March 6: Beginning of Exercise Brave Defender, a large scale nation-wide home defence exercise involving every branch of the British Armed Forces. RAF Fighter Command and the Army’s Anti-Aircraft Command are to conduct a two week simulated campaign against bombers and cruise missiles under the auspices of Air Defence of Great Britain, whilst the Royal Navy are to engage in mining, countermining and ASW operations and over 600,000 personnel from the Regular Army, Army Reserve, Territorial Army and the Home Guard engage enemy commandos, airborne landings and sabotage operations along with other tasks of home defence. March 7: Die Sendung mit der Maus debuts on German television, after a brief and unsuccessful attempt at a legal injunction by an American entertainment company heavily associated with mice. March 8: Joe Frazier defeats Cassius Clay in the so-called ‘Fight of the Century’ at Madison Square Garden, knocking him out in the 15th round with a tremendous blow that sends Clay clear out of the ring and en route to hospital. After the bout, a beheaded man is found in the parking garage, sparking an investigation by the NYPD Special Division. March 9: The American Safety Razor Company ends its novel advertising campaign of including sample of actual razor blades with Sunday newspapers across 59 American cities after a sharp public response and much cutting criticism beyond the intended market slice. March 10: A full squadron of RAF Avro Vulcan bombers sets off for a round the world flight, to culminate in a live fire exercise in Western Australia testing new air launched cruise missiles and the newest Blue Steel variants. March 11: After an initiative begun by two 11 year old boys in Tennessee, a national simultaneous morning prayer is held in more than 10,000 elementary and high schools across the United States for the safety and success of Orion 6 on its voyage to Neptune and Uranus. March 12: Simultaneous coup attempts are launched in Ottoman Turkey, causing considerable confusion and their eventual failure due to mutual interference. Embarrassingly, both factions try to capture the central television broadcasting studios at the same time, entering through different sides of the building during the live broadcast of a comedy variety programme. March 13: Wales defeats Ireland 25-10 to win the Home Nations Rugby Championship, cementing its position as the leading rugby nation in the British Isles. March 14: American and Soviet diplomats fail to resolve intractable differences over a proposed treaty on the militarisation of the seabed and oceans, but ongoing strategic arms negotiations achieve something of a milestone, with the U.S. delegation signalling that it would be willing to consider capping its land based and sea based missiles at 3000 and 2000 respectively; given that the Soviet Union currently deploys 1426 LRBMs and 964 modern SLBMs on 32 Yankee, 20 India and 10 Hotel class atomic ballistic missile submarines and 12 battleships, this provides the beginning of an opportunity to catch up with the West. March 15: A disaffected Chilean Army colonel is arrested for planning to assassinate Prime Minister Allende in the manner of the death of Julius Caesar, being identified by his toga and clumsily concealed dagger. March 16: The Royal Israeli Air Force places an order for 250 Hawker-Siddeley P.1204 Hurricanes to replace its current fleet of Merlin fighter-bombers, with the British Hurricane being currently in production being the first of two decisive factors in its success over the Convair YF-16, with the other being its subsidised cost under Commonwealth defence agreements. Rigorous operational and simulated combat testing of the McDonnell-Douglas F-15 Eagle, Supermarine Spitfire and Dassault Super Mirage 2000 for the frontline air superiority role is ongoing, with the new aircraft planned to provide a long range compliment to the RIAFs English Electric Lightnings and the multi-role swing fighter force of F-4 Phantoms and de Havilland Tornadoes. March 17: New York Senator and former Attorney-General Robert F. Kennedy gives a lengthy and noteworthy speech in Baltimore on urban renewal, which many political commentators see as the beginning of his campaign for the Democratic nomination for President in 1972; his brother, President John F. Kennedy, has already indicated he will not seek a fourth term in office. March 18: A landslide in Peru causes a localised flood that destroys an entire mining camp, killing over 200 people. Some strange metallic artifacts are later found in exposed portions of Yanawayin Lake and taken to Lima for examination. March 19: The US Army and the CIA begin development of a powerful new helicopter with a number of innovative attributes in Project Airwolf, with a goal of fielding the world's most versatile VTOL aircraft to equip various special operations groups. March 20: A delegation of high ranking Byzantine Greek military officers arrives in London for talks on a broad and extensive plan of military modernisation of the Imperial Armed Forces, including possible large orders for modern aircraft, tanks and missile systems. March 21: The federal general election in Austria-Hungary results in a hung lower house of the Imperial Diet, with a proliferation of regional and minor parties drawing support away from the previously dominant Conservatives and Social-Democrats. Talks commence for the formation of a grand coalition to prevent the necessity for an additional expensive election. March 22: CBS renews a number of its popular and successful rural-themed situation comedies and variety shows for the next three seasons, including The Beverley Hillbillies, Have Gun - Will Travel, The Andy Griffith Show and Lassie, as well as acquiring the rights for US broadcast of the renewed Australian series Skippy the Bush Kangaroo, which had been on temporary hiatus due to the star marsupial's unfortunate opium issue. March 23: The Soviet Union conducts nine Peaceful Nuclear Explosions as part of the construction of a canal between the Pechora and Kama Rivers, but elects to pause the process to fully consider the number needed for successful completion of the project. March 24: The Jewish Legion is formally transferred to Israeli command, ending a 35 year old legal fiction that saw it formally operate under British Army control. The elite international volunteer formation, equivalent to a reinforced division in strength, won renown in the Second World War and Korea; Israeli Army High Command indicates to London that it will remain at its current basing in the Sinai for the foreseeable future. March 25: Retirement of former Yugoslav Prime Minister Josip Broz, the Kingdom's dominant political figure since the last war and a bulwark of socialist opposition to Soviet communism. March 26: The Fukushima Daichi Atomic Fusion Power Plant begins experimental operations, becoming the first operating fusion facility outside of the United States, USSR, Britain and Canada and signalling to some the re-emerging strategic significance of the Empire of Japan, which is rapidly growing to match its economic, industrial and technological clout. March 27: Death of former Haitian dictator François Duvalier at a U.S. military prison in Panama; his son and erstwhile heir is held separately in a facility on Guam. March 28: Expansion of the British air, naval and army base at Trincomalee, Ceylon is completed; the project is seen as a key in cementing British power East of Suez along with the so-called 'superbases' in Aden and Singapore and supporting island facilities. March 29: South Africa tests its first indigenously developed space rocket from a range in the Kalahari Desert, with the launch apparently perturbing local Bushmen tribes to no end and leading to one elder being sent south as an emissary to find out what was the cause of the apparent cosmic disturbance; SADF patrols encounter the fellow who is revealed to be none other than the individual who handed an empty Coca-Cola bottle to King George VI and Queen Elizabeth during their 1947 tour of Southern Africa. March 30: Establishment of the first 'Starbucks' coffee shop in Seattle, with the local chain increasing to some 17 Washington outlets before folding in 1975. March 31: The BBC broadcasts the first episode of a new children's science-fiction programme, Doctor Who, showing the adventures through time and space of a mysterious yet kindly doctor and his companions. It is noted for its strange and innovative electronic theme music and outstandingly realistic special effects; a few viewers question the necessity of the brief legal disclaimer at the end of the closing credits that 'the story, all characters and events are purely fictitious and any resemblance with actual persons, places, events, buildings, planets and products is coincidental', but a BBC spokesgnome explains it as a diplomatic measure to alleviate ruffled feathers, both literal and figurative, in the Tharsisian Empire on Mars.
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March 4: In what was later called the ‘Century's Snowstorm’, Southern Quebec is blanketed by an average 20 inches of snow over the day and night, leading to cars being abandoned on the streets of Montreal, thousands of people being stranded in bars, hotels, restaurants, train stations and churches and police forced to patrol on snowmobiles. Canadian Army wizards are called in to clear roads and rail lines with magic, including fireballs usually seen only in pitched combat. - That sounds rather counter productive as unless their huge or long lasting [and the former is likely to be highly destructive] their likely to end up melting small quantities of snow that then freeze as ice.
March 5: Australia and Britain conducts an underground nuclear test at the Maralinga Test Site in South Australia, with Christmas Island being prepared for the potential return to atmospheric testing. - Not good. March 7: Die Sendung mit der Maus debuts on German television, after a brief and unsuccessful attempt at a legal injunction by an American entertainment company heavily associated with mice. -
March 8: Joe Frazier defeats Cassius Clay in the so-called ‘Fight of the Century’ at Madison Square Garden, knocking him out in the 15th round with a tremendous blow that sends Clay clear out of the ring and en route to hospital. After the bout, a beheaded man is found in the parking garage, sparking an investigation by the NYPD Special Division. - Now that gives a sinister element to the bout.
March 9: The American Safety Razor Company ends its novel advertising campaign of including sample of actual razor blades with Sunday newspapers across 59 American cities after a sharp public response and much cutting criticism beyond the intended market slice. - Please tell me that wasn't a real life event OTL!
March 12: Simultaneous coup attempts are launched in Ottoman Turkey, causing considerable confusion and their eventual failure due to mutual interference. Embarrassingly, both factions try to capture the central television broadcasting studios at the same time, entering through different sides of the building during the live broadcast of a comedy variety programme. - Great when idiots get in each other's way.
March 13: Wales defeats Ireland 25-10 to win the Home Nations Rugby Championship, cementing its position as the leading rugby nation in the British Isles. - At this date that's all too likely with the strength of their OTL team at the time. Probably asked this before but do non-humans take part in this and other sporting events. I doubt hobbits would do much good but elven speed or drawfen muscle could be rather useful. Rather not consider Orcs, Trolls or Ogres on the field of play however!
March 14: American and Soviet diplomats fail to resolve intractable differences over a proposed treaty on the militarisation of the seabed and oceans, but ongoing strategic arms negotiations achieve something of a milestone, with the U.S. delegation signalling that it would be willing to consider capping its land based and sea based missiles at 3000 and 2000 respectively; given that the Soviet Union currently deploys 1426 LRBMs and 964 modern SLBMs on 32 Yankee, 20 India and 10 Hotel class atomic ballistic missile submarines and 12 battleships, this provides the beginning of an opportunity to catch up with the West. - Some success provided both sides come to an agreement. Complicated by the issue that there are significant other major players in DE, most noticeably Britain but I suspect that at least France and China have significantly larger nuclear forces than OTL.
March 15: A disaffected Chilean Army colonel is arrested for planning to assassinate Prime Minister Allende in the manner of the death of Julius Caesar, being identified by his toga and clumsily concealed dagger. - Ironic as the primary threat OTL was a Caesar like thug making himself military dictator.
March 16: The Royal Israeli Air Force places an order for 250 Hawker-Siddeley P.1204 Hurricanes to replace its current fleet of Merlin fighter-bombers, with the British Hurricane being currently in production being the first of two decisive factors in its success over the Convair YF-16, with the other being its subsidised cost under Commonwealth defence agreements. Rigorous operational and simulated combat testing of the McDonnell-Douglas F-15 Eagle, Supermarine Spitfire and Dassault Super Mirage 2000 for the frontline air superiority role is ongoing, with the new aircraft planned to provide a long range compliment to the RIAFs English Electric Lightnings and the multi-role swing fighter force of F-4 Phantoms and de Havilland Tornadoes. - Good for H-S and going to be interesting what route Israel follows with the air superiority role.
March 17: New York Senator and former Attorney-General Robert F. Kennedy gives a lengthy and noteworthy speech in Baltimore on urban renewal, which many political commentators see as the beginning of his campaign for the Democratic nomination for President in 1972; his brother, President John F. Kennedy, has already indicated he will not seek a fourth term in office. - I suspect that Robert won't meet the OTL fate, although that could prompt concerns about a Kennedy dynasty.
March 18: A landslide in Peru causes a localised flood that destroys an entire mining camp, killing over 200 people. Some strange metallic artifacts are later found in exposed portions of Yanawayin Lake and taken to Lima for examination. - Very nasty.
March 20: A delegation of high ranking Byzantine Greek military officers arrives in London for talks on a broad and extensive plan of military modernisation of the Imperial Armed Forces, including possible large orders for modern aircraft, tanks and missile systems. -
March 21: The federal general election in Austria-Hungary results in a hung lower house of the Imperial Diet, with a proliferation of regional and minor parties drawing support away from the previously dominant Conservatives and Social-Democrats. Talks commence for the formation of a grand coalition to prevent the necessity for an additional expensive election. - Well that could complicate matters.
March 22: CBS renews a number of its popular and successful rural-themed situation comedies and variety shows for the next three seasons, including The Beverley Hillbillies, Have Gun - Will Travel, The Andy Griffith Show and Lassie, as well as acquiring the rights for US broadcast of the renewed Australian series Skippy the Bush Kangaroo, which had been on temporary hiatus due to the star marsupial's unfortunate opium issue. - I must admit that made me grin. However it is a problem for Skippy.
March 23: The Soviet Union conducts nine Peaceful Nuclear Explosions as part of the construction of a canal between the Pechora and Kama Rivers, but elects to pause the process to fully consider the number needed for successful completion of the project. - Going to be a lot of fallout there! Especially with the greater size of DE which means they will need a lot more bombs. March 25: Retirement of former Yugoslav Prime Minister Josip Broz, the Kingdom's dominant political figure since the last war and a bulwark of socialist opposition to Soviet communism. - Well that's a different Broz to OTL.
March 26: The Fukushima Daichi Atomic Fusion Power Plant begins experimental operations, becoming the first operating fusion facility outside of the United States, USSR, Britain and Canada and signalling to some the re-emerging strategic significance of the Empire of Japan, which is rapidly growing to match its economic, industrial and technological clout. - I hadn't noticed or had forgotten that fusion plants had been developed this early. [Unless its a typo and you mean fission]. Its a natural move for Japan however with its dependency on imports for much of its power.
March 27: Death of former Haitian dictator François Duvalier at a U.S. military prison in Panama; his son and erstwhile heir is held separately in a facility on Guam. - Definitely won't be missed. March 31: The BBC broadcasts the first episode of a new children's science-fiction programme, Doctor Who, showing the adventures through time and space of a mysterious yet kindly doctor and his companions. It is noted for its strange and innovative electronic theme music and outstandingly realistic special effects; a few viewers question the necessity of the brief legal disclaimer at the end of the closing credits that 'the story, all characters and events are purely fictitious and any resemblance with actual persons, places, events, buildings, planets and products is coincidental', but a BBC spokes-gnome explains it as a diplomatic measure to alleviate ruffled feathers, both literal and figurative, in the Tharsisian Empire on Mars. - This is a lot latter than OTL. Going to miss a lot of the classics. Is it a factor in the much greater social conservatism in DE world or some other factor. I like that the Beeb is willing to welcome minority groups.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 20, 2022 16:15:32 GMT
Steve, 1.) The fireballs are quite big, but their dimensions can be controlled and manipulated by a master mage operating in concert with others 2.) Hope for the best, prepare for the worst 3.) Litigious mice can be most pernicious 4.) It is a Highlander reference 5.) Yes, it was a real life event! 6.) The only things missing from the Turkish coup hijinks was the Benny Hill theme, a chase sequence and pies to the face 7.) Elves see it as beneath them, dwarves are largely limited by their size (and lack of speed as a result) and halflings prefer homely pleasures. Orcs or ogres would be regarded with horror and opprobrium 8.) You’ve picked out the big issues holding back any SALT style detente; the USA also hasn’t frozen its force levels since ~1965 as in @ 9.) You managed to get the underlying allusion there quite quickly 10.) An aircraft in production today always beats one that won’t be until ~late 1972, especially when it is cheaper and further down the development cycle. Israel’s choice is an interesting one - commonality with the Commonwealth or the extra US expense. With their Arrows and F-111s, they already have very long range. 11.) It would be very difficult for any Democrat to win in 1972 after 12 years in power due to the cyclic nature of domestic politics in the USA 12.) The flood was historical; the artifacts obviously not 13.) A natural response to the Turks tooling up next doors 14.) Such elections and coalitions are far more common on the Continent than in the English speaking world 15.) Skippy is fully recovered and is back to chasing bad guys rather than the dragon 16.) They were underground; PNEs have a far greater role and acceptance in DE 17.) Absolutely different and a consequence of different battlefronts converging at different times; the Soviets getting held up a bit more in 1943 and 44 has wide reaching consequences 18.) Correct on both counts 19.) They won’t be; as for what comes after them… 20.) The primary factor in Doctor Who not going to air is that he is real and an ally of HMG. A fictionalised account was seen as too risky under Eden, then he was away for a few years on other adventures. The man responsible for nudging the project into reality, as it were, is Simon Bailey, himself a former companion of the Doctor. All of the classic stories will be made, through longer seasons, and filmed in colour to boot. The BBC has dragon talk show hosts, cats, dogs, dwarven darts commentators, halfling chefs and centaur weathermen, so gnomes are simply one of many types.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 21, 2022 12:49:44 GMT
February Notes- OPEC is a very, very different organisation by virtue of its membership and the earlier 'opening up' of North Sea oil and gas. It bears more of a resemblance to CENTO in a certain fashion; Pactomania has never gone out of fashion - The Post Office Savings Bank has quite a large amount of money on deposit. The encouragement of child savings has several purposes - setting up young people for the future, accruing more capital for lending and economic expansion and a general culture of thrift and savings. I've said afore that here, Britain is not squandering the revenues of North Sea oil and gas on short term politics and tax cuts, but is making sure today helps secure all the tomorrows that may come. This is another facet of that principle - This equivalent to the RB.211 has quite a different development cycle and doesn't lead to the bankruptcy of Rolls-Royce - The USAF and RAF helping out in transport of Moslem pilgrims is an example of OOTW that has a decent potential payoff in the long run - Italian arrests did come from a defecting Romanian intelligence officer; Alberto Bertorelli from 'Allo, 'Allo has come a long way since the war - Thomas Andrews did not perish on the Titanic, which is a museum ship in Liverpool, having served in both World Wars; he had a hand in designing quite a few ocean liners after 1912 - The armed robbers having their boat planted on Wall Street is of course a reference to the first Superman movie with Christopher Reeve - USN and RN cruisers lurking around Chile is a sign that the major Western players in South America aren't too pleased at the prospect of a Chilean lurch towards socialism when it entails nationalisation - The Commonwealth Special Forces Agreement effectively creates a unified special operations command, boosting the size and capability of special forces of the smaller member nations and creating a very formidable capacity - London's skyline remains distinctly different and traditional, rather than it becoming Westernised City #362 replete with ghastly brutalist tower blocks and later postmodernist skyscrapers. The Twelve Sisters are quite distinctly British Art Deco in their design, being something of a parallel (rather than an equivalent) to the 1950s tall buildings in Moscow - Reagan is very much the frontrunner for the Republican candidacy, with Rockefeller's loss in '68 (even if it was an unwinnable election) putting paid to the remnant primacy of the Eastern Establishment - Robert Zimmerman's deeds all along the watchtower were worthy of song - The brief mention of English cricket does have some names who had already retired at this point in @, such as Ted Dexter, or in the twilight of their career, such as Cowdrey. With Boycott, Edrich, Alan Knott, John Snow, Bob Willis, Derek Underwood and a couple of original/DE players, they have a very useful team, with a young Ian Botham joining them a bit earlier than @. Tony Greig doesn't make the England side, being in the very powerful South African team and there won't be a hint of World Series Cricket - The Turks buying Badgers isn't a sign of any great Soviet influence per se, but rather them not being able to get bombers from any other source and Moscow being extremely keen on cracking the Middle East. The reactions are interesting, as the Israelis get a very, very powerful bomber in the Vimy (the strange bastard child of a modernised version of the supersonic Valiant variant from @ and the B-1A) - JFK goes all in for universal health care as his big domestic legacy project - HMS Pansy is a tough little ship and the effect of her fight provides a little change to the language/everyday argot for a bit - Lionel Crabb is still around and kicking - George Lucas's film will be quite an interesting one and fairly different to reflect the world it comes from here - The Vatican doesn't need the H-bomb; as mentioned, they have some interesting capabilities locked up underground - Historically, private gold ownership in Britain at this point was very heavily regulated to the point under laws put in place by Labour in 1966 www.chards.co.uk/blog/exchange-control-act/785- Evel Knievel jumps over 30 rather than the historical 19 cars and looks cool doing it
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Post by stevep on Dec 21, 2022 15:18:35 GMT
Steve, 1.) The fireballs are quite big, but their dimensions can be controlled and manipulated by a master mage operating in concert with others 2.) Hope for the best, prepare for the worst 3.) Litigious mice can be most pernicious 4.) It is a Highlander reference 5.) Yes, it was a real life event! 6.) The only things missing from the Turkish coup hijinks was the Benny Hill theme, a chase sequence and pies to the face 7.) Elves see it as beneath them, dwarves are largely limited by their size (and lack of speed as a result) and halflings prefer homely pleasures. Orcs or ogres would be regarded with horror and opprobrium 8.) You’ve picked out the big issues holding back any SALT style detente; the USA also hasn’t frozen its force levels since ~1965 as in @ 9.) You managed to get the underlying allusion there quite quickly 10.) An aircraft in production today always beats one that won’t be until ~late 1972, especially when it is cheaper and further down the development cycle. Israel’s choice is an interesting one - commonality with the Commonwealth or the extra US expense. With their Arrows and F-111s, they already have very long range. 11.) It would be very difficult for any Democrat to win in 1972 after 12 years in power due to the cyclic nature of domestic politics in the USA 12.) The flood was historical; the artifacts obviously not 13.) A natural response to the Turks tooling up next doors 14.) Such elections and coalitions are far more common on the Continent than in the English speaking world 15.) Skippy is fully recovered and is back to chasing bad guys rather than the dragon 16.) They were underground; PNEs have a far greater role and acceptance in DE 17.) Absolutely different and a consequence of different battlefronts converging at different times; the Soviets getting held up a bit more in 1943 and 44 has wide reaching consequences 18.) Correct on both counts 19.) They won’t be; as for what comes after them… 20.) The primary factor in Doctor Who not going to air is that he is real and an ally of HMG. A fictionalised account was seen as too risky under Eden, then he was away for a few years on other adventures. The man responsible for nudging the project into reality, as it were, is Simon Bailey, himself a former companion of the Doctor. All of the classic stories will be made, through longer seasons, and filmed in colour to boot. The BBC has dragon talk show hosts, cats, dogs, dwarven darts commentators, halfling chefs and centaur weathermen, so gnomes are simply one of many types.
4) Ah I should have got that.
5) Ugh. Bloody idiots!
7) Dwarfs may lack size but that also gives them a low centre of gravity and their going to be tough to move anywhere they don't want to go.
11) I was referring to the US habit of leading figures getting fatal lead poisoning. Hopefully he will avoid that but as you say the Democrats have been in power for a long time. The bad news for the US is that the Republican candidate who is likely to be elected is Reagan!
15) Good. Although I had this mad idea of him appearing in an action movie with a certain Bruce [Lee] as his co star.
16) That means even more contamination even if its somewhat hidden for the moment. Plus to dig out a canal you really need to excavate a ditch which doesn't bode well.
20) Very impressive.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 22, 2022 4:02:01 GMT
Steve,
4.) It is alright. There can only be one. 5.) It didn't cause any major injuries, but you'd think someone would have said something in a meeting. 7.) That much is true, but the number of sports where that it the main factor are limited 11.) There hasn't been a major assassination in the DE USA since President McKinley in 1901. Reagan's election in a very different 1972 (sans malaise, post Vietnam syndrome, Iran, oil shocks, LBJ, the Great Society, Watergate, the race riots and racial tension of the 1960s and indeed the @ generation gap with all its manifestations) will have, for want of a better term, different results. There will definitely be scope for a robust anti-Communist foreign policy, but that has been in place through the 1960s under JFK. In the absence of the same extent of inflationary problems, there isn't a need for the same cure. 15.) Skippy and Bruce Lee...consider it noted. 16.) For this particular project, the need for atom bombs is beyond even the Soviets at this time. 20.) It is indeed; a few other programmes will follow.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 27, 2022 10:02:02 GMT
April April 1: The BBC carries a story that the lions at the Royal Menagerie at the Tower of London are to be ceremonially washed, shampooed, given a permanent wave and blow dried at noon by a delegation of London's finest hairdressers. April 2: The Australian Labour Party leadership contest is won conclusively by Bob Hawke, who becomes Leader of the Opposition and the first significant challenge to Prime Minister Sir Edward Rogers. Hawke, a Rhodes Scholar, noted teetotaler and the former head of the Australian Council of Trade Unions, has become the best known public figure in the nation through his role in industrial arbitration and the labour union movement through the 1960s and is expected to be knighted in the next honours list as befits his august new position. April 3: Release of Conquistador, a three and a half hour historical epic directed by Carol Reed, depicting the Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire, starring Christopher Lee as Hernando Cortes, Robert Shaw as Pedro de Alvarado, Alec Guinness as Emperor Charles V and Emilio Delgado as Montezuma. April 4: The Politburo of the Soviet Union is expanded from 11 to 15 members, a measure interpreted by Western observers as being a step by General Secretary Sergeyev as cementing his power base by promoting key supporters. April 5: Mount Etna erupts with tremendous force, destroying several nearby villages and the Mount Etna Observatory, killing 146 and threatening nearby historical ruins and Second World War battlefields with the expansive lava flows. April 6: Initial construction works begin on tunnels in Dover and Calais for the planned Channel Tunnel, with the British consortium lead by the East India Company seeking to expedite the process and complete the project within the ambitious timeline set by HM Government. The plan calls for two 50ft diameter tunnels separated by 125ft with a 20ft service tunnel between them across the 52 mile distance across the Strait of Dover, along with crossing caverns and security features to permit the disabling of the tunnel by the Royal Navy in an emergency. April 7: Frances Phipps becomes the first woman in modern times to fly to the North Pole, where she is received by Father Christmas and given a tour of the open parts of his secretive facilities. April 8: Completion of a new British contingency plan for the defence of Ireland, updating the most recent version formulated during the Korean War with new provisions for aid to the civil power in the event of disorder or disasters, utilisation of the expanding modern transport network of railways and smaller airports and support of the elven and dwarven states in the central forests and mountains. April 9: First flight of the Embraer Vespa, Brazil's first supersonic jet fighter. The project has been quite controversial since its initiation in 1963, with the performance of the Vespa left behind somewhat by the rapid development of cutting edge foreign aircraft and the cost being decried as excessive by a number of political groups, but it represents a large step forward for Brazilian aviation and technology. April 10: Completion of the twelfth and final turbine at the Krasnoyarsk Hydroelectric Dam, making it the largest such installation in the world. April 11: A 600ft diameter asteroid is intercepted and neutralised by a volley of American, Soviet, British and Chinese missiles as it passes with 200,000km of Earth in the first major test of the multinational Earth defence measures of Project Spaceguard . April 12: A 21 year old female college student climbs over a safety railing to have a picnic overlooking the Grand Canyon and falls in. She is rescued by a safety enchantment recently put in place by National Parks Service wizards and thoroughly chastised by the ranger bears. April 13: A brief yet inexplicable rain of eels is reported over Northern Lancashire, causing widespread shock on an otherwise sunny spring day and disrupting a number of fairs and sporting events. April 14: Multi-millionaire newspaper proprietor Sir Denzil Carey, owner of The News of the World, The Daily Herald and The Chronicle, begins talks on the purchase of a television channel license with the Ministry of Information. April 15: The 43rd Academy Awards are held in Los Angeles, with 1914 winning Best Picture, whilst George C. Scott wins Best Actor for his portrayal of World War Two and Korean War hero, the late General Patton and Alice McGraw winning for her tragic role in Love Story April 16: Introduction of the first artificial computerised intelligent entities onto the ARPANET, with several American and British 'super computing machines' holding an impromptu meeting. April 17: Rhodesian special forces conduct a number of crossborder raids into the Congo and rebel held areas of Portuguese West Africa, destroying several base camps. April 18: McDonald's introduces a number of new menu items in its restaurants across North America, including a breakfast menu and chicken and pork burgers, in an effort to broaden its scope prior to its putative expansion into the Commonwealth and European markets. A separate internal notion of serving its hamburger sandwiches well done instead of medium rare was decided against on the grounds of losing custom to its burgeoning competitors. April 19: The Colonial Office issues a position paper on the progress of the Crown Colony of Sierra Leone towards self government, setting out a timetable for independent Dominion status by 1984. April 20: National Public Radio begins broadcasting across the United States, with a notable programme on its first day featuring interviews with injured Vietnam War veterans on their return home to America and re-adjustment to civilian life, including a one-eyed captain from Arkansas, a New Jersey steel mill worker who can no longer jog or run, a New York property scion who lost both feet in a mine explosion and Lieutenant Daniel Taylor, who lost his legs. The special is widely praised for its unvarnished examination of the price of victory. April 21: The USAF begins testing a special 'laser' ray gun suitable for use in fighter and bomber aircraft, with the advance of miniaturization technology now being sufficient to permit practical application of the principle first seen in the Martian heat rays of 1898 and later bought to service in the great skyships. April 22: A Wolverhampton man convicted of beating his wife has his sentence of 9 years hard labour and 30 lashes with the cat o' nine tails upheld upon appeal. The case is seen by some observers as cementing the role of judicial corporal punishment in British law (delivered by the cat for adult offenders and the birch for juveniles) with the ratio decidendi set out by Lord Bullingham being quite clear and concise. The legal status of the stocks outside of ecclesiastical courts remains somewhat more nebulous. April 23: New York City makes the introduction of readily legible and plain expiry dates and lists of ingredients on packaged foods compulsory. April 24: Renowned martial artist Bruce Lee appears on The Dick Cavett Show, promoting his new film and book, The Hong Kong Book of Kung Fu, having just foiled an armed robbery on a liquor store by a gang of six men on his way to the studio, with the able assistance of a passing architect and a vacationing San Francisco police janitor. April 25: The 1971 Census of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland is conducted, showing the total human population recorded as 138,124,236, with 91,521,382 from England, 17, 112,395 from Scotland, 16,008,143 from Ireland, 6,965,364 from Wales, 6,037,065 from Lyonesse; and 479,887 from the Channel Islands, Isle of Man and outlying islands. The coloured and total immigrant populations are recorded as 194,937 and 562,458 respectively, with the general rate of migration from the 'New Commonwealth' having slowed over the last 10 years with rising prosperity in their home countries, but their numbers rising through the birth of children. 67% live in privately owned houses, 16% in publicly owned housing and 17% in privately rented dwellings. 50% of households own one motor car and 12% own two or more. The participation rate of employment of people aged between 16 and 65 is a record 82.4%, whilst 98.5% of respondents are Christian, 0.8% Jewish, 0.1% Moslem, 0.1% Hindoo and smaller numbers of Sikhs, Buddhists, Zarathustrans and other faiths. April 26: A USAF SR-71 Blackbird on a reconnaissance flight over Southern Laos issues a disjointed radio message of being overtaken by a much, much faster, much higher flying aircraft. Upon return to Kadena AFB, the pilots retract their claim after a quiet meeting with men in black suits and dark sunglasses. April 27: The Ministry of Transport announces that London sixth international airport (after Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted, Luton and Churchill Airport of the Isle of Grain) is to be built on Maplin Sands. April 28: The Christian People's Party wins a strong majority in the Dutch general election, with Prime Minister Piet de Jong winning a second term in office. April 29: An Anglo-Indian singer-lutenist successfully wins the heart of his long-lost love, who had left him behind for a life in the ‘jet set’, through a simple yet profound ballad played outside of her Mayfair hotel. April 30: French Musketeers clash with Italian Legionaries along the Mediterranean border after a dispute over which force had the more striking uniform.
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Post by stevep on Dec 27, 2022 15:50:04 GMT
AprilApril 1: The BBC carries a story that the lions at the Royal Menagerie at the Tower of London are to be ceremonially washed, shampooed, given a permanent wave and blow dried at noon by a delegation of London's finest hairdressers. April 2: The Australian Labour Party leadership contest is won conclusively by Bob Hawke, who becomes Leader of the Opposition and the first significant challenge to Prime Minister Sir Edward Rogers. Hawke, a Rhodes Scholar, noted teetotaler and the former head of the Australian Council of Trade Unions, has become the best known public figure in the nation through his role in industrial arbitration and the labour union movement through the 1960s and is expected to be knighted in the next honours list as befits his august new position. April 3: Release of Conquistador, a three and a half hour historical epic directed by Carol Reed, depicting the Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire, starring Christopher Lee as Hernando Cortes, Robert Shaw as Pedro de Alvarado, Alec Guinness as Emperor Charles V and Emilio Delgado as Montezuma. April 4: The Politburo of the Soviet Union is expanded from 11 to 15 members, a measure interpreted by Western observers as being a step by General Secretary Sergeyev as cementing his power base by promoting key supporters. April 5: Mount Etna erupts with tremendous force, destroying several nearby villages and the Mount Etna Observatory, killing 146 and threatening nearby historical ruins and Second World War battlefields with the expansive lava flows. April 6: Initial construction works begin on tunnels in Dover and Calais for the planned Channel Tunnel, with the British consortium lead by the East India Company seeking to expedite the process and complete the project within the ambitious timeline set by HM Government. The plan calls for two 50ft diameter tunnels separated by 125ft with a 20ft service tunnel between them across the 52 mile distance across the Strait of Dover, along with crossing caverns and security features to permit the disabling of the tunnel by the Royal Navy in an emergency. April 7: Frances Phipps becomes the first woman in modern times to fly to the North Pole, where she is received by Father Christmas and given a tour of the open parts of his secretive facilities. April 8: Completion of a new British contingency plan for the defence of Ireland, updating the most recent version formulated during the Korean War with new provisions for aid to the civil power in the event of disorder or disasters, utilisation of the expanding modern transport network of railways and smaller airports and support of the elven and dwarven states in the central forests and mountains. April 9: First flight of the Embraer Vespa, Brazil's first supersonic jet fighter. The project has been quite controversial since its initiation in 1963, with the performance of the Vespa left behind somewhat by the rapid development of cutting edge foreign aircraft and the cost being decried as excessive by a number of political groups, but it represents a large step forward for Brazilian aviation and technology. April 10: Completion of the twelfth and final turbine at the Krasnoyarsk Hydroelectric Dam, making it the largest such installation in the world. April 11: A 600ft diameter asteroid is intercepted and neutralised by a volley of American, Soviet, British and Chinese missiles as it passes with 200,000km of Earth in the first major test of the multinational Earth defence measures of Project Spaceguard . April 12: A 21 year old female college student climbs over a safety railing to have a picnic overlooking the Grand Canyon and falls in. She is rescued by a safety enchantment recently put in place by National Parks Service wizards and thoroughly chastised by the ranger bears. April 13: A brief yet inexplicable rain of eels is reported over Northern Lancashire, causing widespread shock on an otherwise sunny spring day and disrupting a number of fairs and sporting events. April 14: Multi-millionaire newspaper proprietor Sir Denzil Carey, owner of The News of the World, The Daily Herald and The Chronicle, begins talks on the purchase of a television channel license with the Ministry of Information. April 15: The 43rd Academy Awards are held in Los Angeles, with 1914 winning Best Picture, whilst George C. Scott wins Best Actor for his portrayal of World War Two and Korean War hero, the late General Patton and Alice McGraw winning for her tragic role in Love StoryApril 16: Introduction of the first artificial computerised intelligent entities onto the ARPANET, with several American and British 'super computing machines' holding an impromptu meeting. April 17: Rhodesian special forces conduct a number of crossborder raids into the Congo and rebel held areas of Portuguese West Africa, destroying several base camps. April 18: McDonald's introduces a number of new menu items in its restaurants across North America, including a breakfast menu and chicken and pork burgers, in an effort to broaden its scope prior to its putative expansion into the Commonwealth and European markets. A separate internal notion of serving its hamburger sandwiches well done instead of medium rare was decided against on the grounds of losing custom to its burgeoning competitors. April 19: The Colonial Office issues a position paper on the progress of the Crown Colony of Sierra Leone towards self government, setting out a timetable for independent Dominion status by 1984. April 20: National Public Radio begins broadcasting across the United States, with a notable programme on its first day featuring interviews with injured Vietnam War veterans on their return home to America and re-adjustment to civilian life, including a one-eyed captain from Arkansas, a New Jersey steel mill worker who can no longer jog or run, a New York property scion who lost both feet in a mine explosion and Lieutenant Daniel Taylor, who lost his legs. The special is widely praised for its unvarnished examination of the price of victory. April 21: The USAF begins testing a special 'laser' ray gun suitable for use in fighter and bomber aircraft, with the advance of miniaturization technology now being sufficient to permit practical application of the principle first seen in the Martian heat rays of 1898 and later bought to service in the great skyships. April 22: A Wolverhampton man convicted of beating his wife has his sentence of 9 years hard labour and 30 lashes with the cat o' nine tails upheld upon appeal. The case is seen by some observers as cementing the role of judicial corporal punishment in British law (delivered by the cat for adult offenders and the birch for juveniles) with the ratio decidendi set out by Lord Bullingham being quite clear and concise. The legal status of the stocks outside of ecclesiastical courts remains somewhat more nebulous. April 23: New York City makes the introduction of readily legible and plain expiry dates and lists of ingredients on packaged foods compulsory. April 24: Renowned martial artist Bruce Lee appears on The Dick Cavett Show, promoting his new film and book, The Hong Kong Book of Kung Fu, having just foiled an armed robbery on a liquor store by a gang of six men on his way to the studio, with the able assistance of a passing architect and a vacationing San Francisco police janitor. April 25: The 1971 Census of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland is conducted, showing the total human population recorded as 138,124,236, with 76,951,382 from England, 25,346,395 from Scotland, 22,592,143 from Ireland, 7,695,364 from Wales, 5,059,065 from Lyonesse; and 479,887 from the Channel Islands, Isle of Man and outlying islands. The coloured and total immigrant populations are recorded as 194,937 and 562,458 respectively, with the general rate of migration from the 'New Commonwealth' having slowed over the last 10 years with rising prosperity in their home countries, but their numbers rising through the birth of children. 67% live in privately owned houses, 16% in publicly owned housing and 17% in privately rented dwellings. 50% of households own one motor car and 12% own two or more. The participation rate of employment of people aged between 16 and 65 is a record 82.4%, whilst 98.5% of respondents are Christian, 0.8% Jewish, 0.1% Moslem, 0.1% Hindoo and smaller numbers of Sikhs, Buddhists, Zarathustrans and other faiths. April 26: A USAF SR-71 Blackbird on a reconnaissance flight over Southern Laos issues a disjointed radio message of being overtaken by a much, much faster, much higher flying aircraft. Upon return to Kadena AFB, the pilots retract their claim after a quiet meeting with men in black suits and dark sunglasses. April 27: The Ministry of Transport announces that London sixth international airport (after Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted, Luton and Churchill Airport of the Isle of Grain) is to be built on Maplin Sands. April 28: The Christian People's Party wins a strong majority in the Dutch general election, with Prime Minister Piet de Jong winning a second term in office. April 29: An Anglo-Indian singer-lutenist successfully wins the heart of his long-lost love, who had left him behind for a life in the ‘jet set’, through a simple yet profound ballad played outside of her Mayfair hotel. April 30: French Musketeers clash with Italian Legionaries along the Mediterranean border after a dispute over which force had the more striking uniform.
April April 1: The BBC carries a story that the lions at the Royal Menagerie at the Tower of London are to be ceremonially washed, shampooed, given a permanent wave and blow dried at noon by a delegation of London's finest hairdressers. - Well you know how fashion conscious they are. Of course with the date something like that is to be expected. April 3: Release of Conquistador, a three and a half hour historical epic directed by Carol Reed, depicting the Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire, starring Christopher Lee as Hernando Cortes, Robert Shaw as Pedro de Alvarado, Alec Guinness as Emperor Charles V and Emilio Delgado as Montezuma. - At this date in both worlds you could get a film made like that.
April 5: Mount Etna erupts with tremendous force, destroying several nearby villages and the Mount Etna Observatory, killing 146 and threatening nearby historical ruins and Second World War battlefields with the expansive lava flows. - Nasty. Was that OTL?
April 6: Initial construction works begin on tunnels in Dover and Calais for the planned Channel Tunnel, with the British consortium lead by the East India Company seeking to expedite the process and complete the project within the ambitious timeline set by HM Government. The plan calls for two 50ft diameter tunnels separated by 125ft with a 20ft service tunnel between them across the 52 mile distance across the Strait of Dover, along with crossing caverns and security features to permit the disabling of the tunnel by the Royal Navy in an emergency. Well all it needs are carefully controlled explosive charges in the roof. As long of course that you can prevent unauthorized access to such.
April 8: Completion of a new British contingency plan for the defence of Ireland, updating the most recent version formulated during the Korean War with new provisions for aid to the civil power in the event of disorder or disasters, utilisation of the expanding modern transport network of railways and smaller airports and support of the elven and dwarven states in the central forests and mountains. - I must think - defence from whom? Its not as if there's a major power cost to it that could be hostile.
April 11: A 600ft diameter asteroid is intercepted and neutralised by a volley of American, Soviet, British and Chinese missiles as it passes with 200,000km of Earth in the first major test of the multinational Earth defence measures of Project Spaceguard . - Well that's an interesting improvement in terms of security against nature disaster. Hopefully neutralized means diverted as shattering it would be both wasteful and dangerous.
April 14: Multi-millionaire newspaper proprietor Sir Denzil Carey, owner of The News of the World, The Daily Herald and The Chronicle, begins talks on the purchase of a television channel license with the Ministry of Information. - IIRC there isn't an ITV yet so hopefully this would be some version of that? April 16: Introduction of the first artificial computerised intelligent entities onto the ARPANET, with several American and British 'super computing machines' holding an impromptu meeting. - Hope someone's keeping an eye on what their discussing.
April 19: The Colonial Office issues a position paper on the progress of the Crown Colony of Sierra Leone towards self government, setting out a timetable for independent Dominion status by 1984. - Well that's some progress and hopefully they will be able to achieve a stable government when they become free.
April 20: National Public Radio begins broadcasting across the United States, with a notable programme on its first day featuring interviews with injured Vietnam War veterans on their return home to America and re-adjustment to civilian life, including a one-eyed captain from Arkansas, a New Jersey steel mill worker who can no longer jog or run, a New York property scion who lost both feet in a mine explosion and Lieutenant Daniel Taylor, who lost his legs. The special is widely praised for its unvarnished examination of the price of victory. - I have a feeling I know a couple of those characters.
April 22: A Wolverhampton man convicted of beating his wife has his sentence of 9 years hard labour and 30 lashes with the cat o' nine tails upheld upon appeal. The case is seen by some observers as cementing the role of judicial corporal punishment in British law (delivered by the cat for adult offenders and the birch for juveniles) with the ratio decidendi set out by Lord Bullingham being quite clear and concise. The legal status of the stocks outside of ecclesiastical courts remains somewhat more nebulous. - Well at least that's something given how reactionary many social values are. Of course if ecclesiastical courts still have separation from the legal system that's a dangerous position as they could be used to hide a lot of crimes and abuses.
April 23: New York City makes the introduction of readily legible and plain expiry dates and lists of ingredients on packaged foods compulsory. - April 25: The 1971 Census of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland is conducted, showing the total human population recorded as 138,124,236, with 76,951,382 from England, 25,346,395 from Scotland, 22,592,143 from Ireland, 7,695,364 from Wales, 5,059,065 from Lyonesse; and 479,887 from the Channel Islands, Isle of Man and outlying islands. The coloured and total immigrant populations are recorded as 194,937 and 562,458 respectively, with the general rate of migration from the 'New Commonwealth' having slowed over the last 10 years with rising prosperity in their home countries, but their numbers rising through the birth of children. 67% live in privately owned houses, 16% in publicly owned housing and 17% in privately rented dwellings. 50% of households own one motor car and 12% own two or more. The participation rate of employment of people aged between 16 and 65 is a record 82.4%, whilst 98.5% of respondents are Christian, 0.8% Jewish, 0.1% Moslem, 0.1% Hindoo and smaller numbers of Sikhs, Buddhists, Zarathustrans and other faiths. - That is a hell of a lot of Scots and Irish compared to the OTL balance. If Ireland avoided the OTL demographic disaster and managed to develop a non-agriculture economy despite their lack of resources I could see it possibly having such a population but for Scotland that does seem high. The lack of a significant non-European population has both plus and negative sides. Especially on the latter that racism is likely to be prominent longer.
April 26: A USAF SR-71 Blackbird on a reconnaissance flight over Southern Laos issues a disjointed radio message of being overtaken by a much, much faster, much higher flying aircraft. Upon return to Kadena AFB, the pilots retract their claim after a quiet meeting with men in black suits and dark sunglasses. - What "men in black suits and dark sunglasses". You know that's been proved to be a false myth as no such people exist. April 29: An Anglo-Indian singer-lutenist successfully wins the heart of his long-lost love, who had left him behind for a life in the ‘jet set’, through a simple yet profound ballad played outside of her Mayfair hotel. - I have a feeling that relates to a Peter Seller's film although I can't remember its name and could be wrong.
April 30: French Musketeers clash with Italian Legionaries along the Mediterranean border after a dispute over which force had the more striking uniform. - hopefully peace keeping forces to keep them separate are equipped with strong sunglasses.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 27, 2022 20:56:56 GMT
A quick note on population:
I’ve ever so slightly tweaked the population numbers, but it is still a marked difference compared to 82/9.4 or 78.9/8.9 with Southern Ireland included in @ 1971.
In 1960, the Dark Earth split was
England 84.5 Scotland: 14.6 Ireland 12.4 Wales 7.2 Lyonesse 6.3
The historical percentages for 1971 England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales were thus 78.32%, 8.9%, 7.74% and 4.65%. On Dark Earth, in 1960, they were 67.33%, 11.63%, 9.88.% and 5.74%, with Lyonesse at 5%.
The revised 1971 figures are
England 65.32% 91.52 Scotland 12.4% 17.112 Ireland 11.6% 16.008 Wales 5% 6.9 Lyonesse 4.34% 6
In my initial calculations, I had mixed some figures on growth rates and Westminster seats; it was too hot.
The most significant change can be found in Ireland, with England and Wales seeing a bit more net emigration in the 1960s. However, over the next decade, English growth is likely to outstrip that of Scotland and Ireland.
Scotland’s population comes down to Glasgow being quite large with 4.5 million people, Edinburgh pushing 2 million and Aberdeen and Inverness having just over 1 million people each.
On race:
”In @ 1971, the figures were 494,000 Indian, 304,000 West Indian, ~100,000 Chinese and ~35,000 Africans. In the first two cases, the 1950s and 60s saw the big waves and subsequent increases came more from growth/births of the children of immigrants in Britain. The big drivers for filling the postwar labour shortage in London transport, the NHS and northern mills also were much reduced by this point. On top of that, the numbers represented ~ 1 million out of 56 million, or 1.79%.
The situation in Dark Earth Britain is ~0.14% of the population, due to the smaller numbers and larger population. This is comparatively smaller than the @ 191600 blacks in 1960 (0.4%) and ~ 80,000 Indians and Pakistanis (0.167%). The result is that outside of London and a smattering of other large cities, there isn’t a ‘New Commonwealth’ immigrant presence, to use the @ parlance. This means there has been no drivers for racial tensions, no race riots such as the Notting Hill Riots of 1958, or associated issues. The diseased children of the BUF such as Mosley’s 1950s Union Movement don’t exist beyond a literal handful of cranks; the BUF itself doesn’t rise to prominence in the 1930s after his early death. Large parts of London, particularly in the East End, will continue to have an overwhelming majority Cockney populace and culture for some time to come, at the very least.”
Thus, the 1960s wave, predominantly from the Indian subcontinent, is absent here and there has rather been steady natural growth in the West Indian and Indian minorities in England and a bit less of ‘family migration’ due to better economic conditions in India and the Caribbean.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 28, 2022 3:33:50 GMT
Steve, April 1 - This is actually a hat tip to one of the earliest recorded specific April Fool's Day jokes, from 1698; the perm is the modern addition todayinhistory.blog/2017/04/01/april-1-1698-washing-the-lions/April 3 - You could, although on Earth, the epoch of the classic Hollywood historical epic was fading in preference to the 1970s New Hollywood dross, which was far more inward looking. The historical epic, like its cousin the sword and sandal picture, really died out from the mid 1970s onwards (with the epic mini series having an Indian summer through the 1980s) and only really reemerged with Gladiator in 2000. Here, it is still in its pomp for some time to come, rather than the @ diet of mafiosi, oh so daring swearing, titilating nudity and the grim sense of post Watergate and Vietnam loss of innocence April 5 - This was a historical eruption, albeit not quite as powerful April 6 - That is the rub. If you build in self-destruction mechanisms within the design, you are just asking for trouble. If there can't be interdiction from the surface, then the only other solution is Atomic Demolition Munitions, which wrecks the whole business. Having a capacity for the Andrew to flood the buggers and seal them off is a happy medium April 8 - At the point in time, the Soviets. The whole business of Home Defence is treated more seriously, as the @ policy of "We're going to be atomised, so no use spending or trying anything" is not in place. There are very serious experts looking very seriously towards the post-nuclear age of modern warfare, something that we have never had April 11 - There have been @ studies were 330ft asteroids were completely destroyed by single 1 megaton warheads. This one was 600ft long but was hit by 16 missiles with 5 megaton warheads. Rather overkill, but it is early days in working out the kinks from the system April 14 - There is finally an ITV from 1968 onwards: October 20 1968 "Introduction of commercial television to Britain with the beginning of broadcasts of the new independent Imperial Television network (ITV) joining the BBC; the Postmaster General has indicated that advances in technology can accommodate up to another three further nationwide channels in coming years." November 26 1969 "the British Postmaster General announces plans to open up tendering for licences for two further television stations in 1972 and 1974" April 16 - Nothing crazy or outlandish at this time. Sports scores, books, chess and japes April 19 - Independence as a Dominion in the African sense comes with a lot of strings attached; think Francafrique with teeth April 20 - We have William 'One Eye' Clinton, Bruce Springsteen, Donald Trump and Lt. Dan from Forrest Gump April 22 - The effect of the decision was to reaffirm the established role of judicial corporal punishment from a fairly reactionary judge. Ecclesiastical courts deal with @ religious matters, certain cases of blasphemy if in particular locations, sacrilege and some of the nastier bits of necromancy et al April 23 - An @ development, with the addition of clear ingredients (no mysterious E numbers) April 26 - Please look into this little device, Steve April 29 - A reference to Peter Sarstedt's 'Where Do You Go To, My Lovely?' April 30 - It was quite the display, with peacocks finding it overdone
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Post by stevep on Dec 28, 2022 13:12:22 GMT
Steve, April 1 - This is actually a hat tip to one of the earliest recorded specific April Fool's Day jokes, from 1698; the perm is the modern addition todayinhistory.blog/2017/04/01/april-1-1698-washing-the-lions/April 3 - You could, although on Earth, the epoch of the classic Hollywood historical epic was fading in preference to the 1970s New Hollywood dross, which was far more inward looking. The historical epic, like its cousin the sword and sandal picture, really died out from the mid 1970s onwards (with the epic mini series having an Indian summer through the 1980s) and only really reemerged with Gladiator in 2000. Here, it is still in its pomp for some time to come, rather than the @ diet of mafiosi, oh so daring swearing, titilating nudity and the grim sense of post Watergate and Vietnam loss of innocence April 5 - This was a historical eruption, albeit not quite as powerful April 6 - That is the rub. If you build in self-destruction mechanisms within the design, you are just asking for trouble. If there can't be interdiction from the surface, then the only other solution is Atomic Demolition Munitions, which wrecks the whole business. Having a capacity for the Andrew to flood the buggers and seal them off is a happy medium April 8 - At the point in time, the Soviets. The whole business of Home Defence is treated more seriously, as the @ policy of "We're going to be atomised, so no use spending or trying anything" is not in place. There are very serious experts looking very seriously towards the post-nuclear age of modern warfare, something that we have never had April 11 - There have been @ studies were 330ft asteroids were completely destroyed by single 1 megaton warheads. This one was 600ft long but was hit by 16 missiles with 5 megaton warheads. Rather overkill, but it is early days in working out the kinks from the system April 14 - There is finally an ITV from 1968 onwards: October 20 1968 "Introduction of commercial television to Britain with the beginning of broadcasts of the new independent Imperial Television network (ITV) joining the BBC; the Postmaster General has indicated that advances in technology can accommodate up to another three further nationwide channels in coming years." November 26 1969 "the British Postmaster General announces plans to open up tendering for licences for two further television stations in 1972 and 1974" April 16 - Nothing crazy or outlandish at this time. Sports scores, books, chess and japes April 19 - Independence as a Dominion in the African sense comes with a lot of strings attached; think Francafrique with teeth April 20 - We have William 'One Eye' Clinton, Bruce Springsteen, Donald Trump and Lt. Dan from Forrest Gump April 22 - The effect of the decision was to reaffirm the established role of judicial corporal punishment from a fairly reactionary judge. Ecclesiastical courts deal with @ religious matters, certain cases of blasphemy if in particular locations, sacrilege and some of the nastier bits of necromancy et al April 23 - An @ development, with the addition of clear ingredients (no mysterious E numbers) April 26 - Please look into this little device, Steve April 29 - A reference to Peter Sarstedt's 'Where Do You Go To, My Lovely?' April 30 - It was quite the display, with peacocks finding it overdone
April 3 - You could, although on Earth, the epoch of the classic Hollywood historical epic was fading in preference to the 1970s New Hollywood dross, which was far more inward looking. The historical epic, like its cousin the sword and sandal picture, really died out from the mid 1970s onwards (with the epic mini series having an Indian summer through the 1980s) and only really reemerged with Gladiator in 2000. Here, it is still in its pomp for some time to come, rather than the @ diet of mafiosi, oh so daring swearing, titilating nudity and the grim sense of post Watergate and Vietnam loss of innocence - I was actually referring to brutal conquests with massive loss of life and savage oppression. True the Aztecs were an extremely grim culture, especially with their practicing of human sacrifice on a scale that the western world rarely approached but Cortes and the other conquistadors were overall real scum.
April 6 - That is the rub. If you build in self-destruction mechanisms within the design, you are just asking for trouble. If there can't be interdiction from the surface, then the only other solution is Atomic Demolition Munitions, which wrecks the whole business. Having a capacity for the Andrew to flood the buggers and seal them off is a happy medium - Agreed.
April 8 - At the point in time, the Soviets. The whole business of Home Defence is treated more seriously, as the @ policy of "We're going to be atomised, so no use spending or trying anything" is not in place. There are very serious experts looking very seriously towards the post-nuclear age of modern warfare, something that we have never had - Given the size of the RN and RAF here the changes of the Soviets being able to send a large invasion force passed the other NATO powers and then attack Ireland from the west seems rather unlikely to put it mildly.
April 11 - There have been @ studies were 330ft asteroids were completely destroyed by single 1 megaton warheads. This one was 600ft long but was hit by 16 missiles with 5 megaton warheads. Rather overkill, but it is early days in working out the kinks from the system - Hopefully they did this some time after its closest approach to Earth so the resultant radiated debris will largely miss us.
April 14 - There is finally an ITV from 1968 onwards: October 20 1968 "Introduction of commercial television to Britain with the beginning of broadcasts of the new independent Imperial Television network (ITV) joining the BBC; the Postmaster General has indicated that advances in technology can accommodate up to another three further nationwide channels in coming years." November 26 1969 "the British Postmaster General announces plans to open up tendering for licences for two further television stations in 1972 and 1974" - Ah OK thanks for clarifying. That measn their actually some way ahead of OTL.
April 16 - Nothing crazy or outlandish at this time. Sports scores, books, chess and japes -
April 19 - Independence as a Dominion in the African sense comes with a lot of strings attached; think Francafrique with teeth - Ugh. That's a potential for both crippling the country and later problems as the locals increasing see 'independence' as a lie.
April 20 - We have William 'One Eye' Clinton, Bruce Springsteen, Donald Trump and Lt. Dan from Forrest Gump - Ah thought it was Clinton and Trump. Just possible that the latter could be someone worthwhile here with exposure to real life. Springsteen will be missed, especially given the cultural differences as its unlikely he will be able to follow his OTL career.
April 22 - The effect of the decision was to reaffirm the established role of judicial corporal punishment from a fairly reactionary judge. Ecclesiastical courts deal with @ religious matters, certain cases of blasphemy if in particular locations, sacrilege and some of the nastier bits of necromancy et al - The corporate punishment is pretty pointless but the long sentence is definitely a bonus. So clerical courts no longer seek to protect clergy from the civil legal system - very good. Although a pity their still involved in deeply immoral activities as you mention.
April 23 - An @ development, with the addition of clear ingredients (no mysterious E numbers) -
April 26 - Please look into this little device, Steve -
April 29 - A reference to Peter Sarstedt's 'Where Do You Go To, My Lovely?' - Ah, a great song and pity he was a one hit wonder. Was Sarstedt an Anglo-Indian as both characters in the song were Italian? Interesting he produced a song in 1997 which was a sequel to that one but never heard of it before.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 28, 2022 15:25:35 GMT
Steve,
1.) Absolutely. Their nastiness, greed and violence isn’t whitewashed in DE at all, even if a few things went differently (such as Aztec codexes being seized rather than burnt). On balance, they are seen as better than the Aztecs, given the general historical approach and biases of the time. 2.) There is definitely a theme of ‘security first’ coming through in a lot of deliberations over the proposal. Those who are allies today could change in a quarter of a century. 3.) Oh, it is certainly unlikely, but confining plans to only those ranked ‘likely’ rather than ‘possible’ is seen as (a) giving scope for the Treasury to get all sorts of nasty ideas; and (b) giving over part of a jealously held mission (Home Defence) to the RAF and RN. There is also increasing concern as to the difficulty of stopping the Red Army from taking Northern Scandinavia. 4.) They were launched from orbiting space battle stations, so hit on a different ‘trajectory’. 5.) The general shape as I see it playing out is Channel 1 (BBC), Channel 2 (ITV), Channel 3 (One of the @ ITV Big 4/5), Channel 4 (Carey’s channel), Channel 5 (another developed a la Channel 3) and Channel 6 (something different…) 6.) I’m deliberately drawing a parallel with Red Dwarf’s Holly rather than any of the more malignant AIs… 7.) It depends. The matter has been debated for a number of years and comes up in A New Jerusalem when discussed by the Queen and Barton. Any complete independence like in @ (which often lead to many coups, Soviet influence or outright bases and general washing of hands) isn’t on the cards. Rather, the recently independent African Dominions (Uganda, Tanganyika, Nigeria, Ashante Federation, Cameroon and Sudan) are encouraged to take part in regional arrangements; get their lavish aid packages with plenty of conditions; have their militaries largely officered by seconded British officers; have quite powerful and influential Governors-General; can call upon British troops for aid and know that they will come; and have very clear red lines on what can’t be done, which usually only extends to no going Red, no alterations to constitutional arrangements without legitimate referendums, no costing up to the other blocs, no dictatorial carry on and no anti-Western/anti-British violence. This is combined with a Francafrique type approach which sees the Paras used in a similar role to the French Foreign Legion. It absolutely isn’t true independence, but is rather independence with trainer wheels on, which is inherently unfair. There is a fair bit of scope to move within that, though, and there is flexibility for arrangements like Senegambia. 8.) He cannot run, but can still play the lute. As for the property scion? Many things are possible with formative experiences and they don’t get much more formative than going to war and getting one’s feet blown off. 9.) The Church isn’t involved in immoral activity, but gets jurisdiction over particular crimes due to longstanding laws; the necromancy part comes into play for violation of a churchyard, for example. 10.) One of my little bugbears, so good it is recognised. 11.) 😎 12.) I’ll have to look into the newer song; he is Anglo-Indian here as in life, with the mention of Naples just a poetic flourish
Thanks again for the comments and questions,
Simon
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Post by stevep on Dec 28, 2022 18:57:10 GMT
Steve, 1.) Absolutely. Their nastiness, greed and violence isn’t whitewashed in DE at all, even if a few things went differently (such as Aztec codexes being seized rather than burnt). On balance, they are seen as better than the Aztecs, given the general historical approach and biases of the time. 2.) There is definitely a theme of ‘security first’ coming through in a lot of deliberations over the proposal. Those who are allies today could change in a quarter of a century. 3.) Oh, it is certainly unlikely, but confining plans to only those ranked ‘likely’ rather than ‘possible’ is seen as (a) giving scope for the Treasury to get all sorts of nasty ideas; and (b) giving over part of a jealously held mission (Home Defence) to the RAF and RN. There is also increasing concern as to the difficulty of stopping the Red Army from taking Northern Scandinavia. 4.) They were launched from orbiting space battle stations, so hit on a different ‘trajectory’. 5.) The general shape as I see it playing out is Channel 1 (BBC), Channel 2 (ITV), Channel 3 (One of the @ ITV Big 4/5), Channel 4 (Carey’s channel), Channel 5 (another developed a la Channel 3) and Channel 6 (something different…) 6.) I’m deliberately drawing a parallel with Red Dwarf’s Holly rather than any of the more malignant AIs… 7.) It depends. The matter has been debated for a number of years and comes up in A New Jerusalem when discussed by the Queen and Barton. Any complete independence like in @ (which often lead to many coups, Soviet influence or outright bases and general washing of hands) isn’t on the cards. Rather, the recently independent African Dominions (Uganda, Tanganyika, Nigeria, Ashante Federation, Cameroon and Sudan) are encouraged to take part in regional arrangements; get their lavish aid packages with plenty of conditions; have their militaries largely officered by seconded British officers; have quite powerful and influential Governors-General; can call upon British troops for aid and know that they will come; and have very clear red lines on what can’t be done, which usually only extends to no going Red, no alterations to constitutional arrangements without legitimate referendums, no costing up to the other blocs, no dictatorial carry on and no anti-Western/anti-British violence. This is combined with a Francafrique type approach which sees the Paras used in a similar role to the French Foreign Legion. It absolutely isn’t true independence, but is rather independence with trainer wheels on, which is inherently unfair. There is a fair bit of scope to move within that, though, and there is flexibility for arrangements like Senegambia. 8.) He cannot run, but can still play the lute. As for the property scion? Many things are possible with formative experiences and they don’t get much more formative than going to war and getting one’s feet blown off. 9.) The Church isn’t involved in immoral activity, but gets jurisdiction over particular crimes due to longstanding laws; the necromancy part comes into play for violation of a churchyard, for example.10.) One of my little bugbears, so good it is recognised. 11.) 😎 12.) I’ll have to look into the newer song; he is Anglo-Indian here as in life, with the mention of Naples just a poetic flourish Thanks again for the comments and questions, Simon
We will have to disagree on that. As long as their allowed to persecute people for disagreeing with them you have a very dangerous situation, as with any other autocratic system not kept in check.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 29, 2022 0:34:11 GMT
There aren't any grounds for disagreement, as I believe you are misreading the information.
The jurisdiction of ecclesiastical courts in no way extends to 'people disagreeing with them'. It extends to
- blasphemy during a church service (ie people running into a Christmas service, swearing and uttering deliberate blasphemy), - sacrilege (confined to breaking into a church and desecrating it, so being rather more lenient than the historical 1861 Larceny Act, which set out that 'Whosoever shall break and enter any church, chapel, meeting house, or other place of divine worship, and commit any felony therein, or being in any church, chapel, meeting house, or other place of divine worship, shall commit any felony therein and break out of the same, shall be guilty of felony, and being convicted thereof shall be liable, at the discretion of the court, to kept in penal servitude for life, or for any term not less than three years, or to be imprisoned for any term not exceeding two years, with or without hard labour, and with or without solitary confinement.') - grave robbing - necromancy, or the actual raising of undead creatures through foul black magics - disputes over church property - internal church matters, such disputes over stained glass windows, altar design etc - ecclesiastical disciplinary proceedings
The first hasn't seen an instance since the 1600s. Therefore, there isn't any way that the mere presence of ecclesiastical courts with a very narrow remit can be characterised as persecution.
No Inquisition. No broad powers for the Church Police to kick down the door if someone says "I disagree with the Church of England."
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