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Post by simon darkshade on Nov 13, 2021 19:42:13 GMT
The difference here is that the US did not stop at 1054 ICBMs, so that the Soviets had a mathematically simple task of building up to that and then overtaking. Much harder to catch a moving target.
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Post by lordroel on Nov 13, 2021 19:44:12 GMT
The difference here is that the US did not stop at 1054 ICBMs, so that the Soviets had a mathematically simple task of building up to that and then overtaking. Much harder to catch a moving target. So has the Soviet Union any advantages ore is it going to take time for them to become somewhat equal to the United States in nuclear missiles.
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Post by simon darkshade on Nov 13, 2021 21:31:07 GMT
Militarily or industrially? No. They don’t have any secret advantage that would allow them to catch up an 1800 missile gap overnight or even within 4-5 years. Their hope is to get a cap in place politically and build up to it; good luck getting the French and British missiles under it.
What they do have is pragmatic, energetic and intelligent leadership and an economy far less moribund than historically. That is worth its weight in gold.
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Post by stevep on Nov 13, 2021 23:33:02 GMT
JuneJune 1: Beginning of The Sunday Times Golden Globe Race, a solo round the world yacht race with a prize of £250,000. - Well it is a hell of a long way here.
June 2: Ottoman Turkey issues a formal protest at unannounced British naval exercises off the southern coast of Cyprus and the arrival of a squadron of RAF Vulcans and an airborne brigade on the island in response to purely peaceful Turkish warships conducting purely peaceful cultural activities just outside of British territorial waters. - Of course their actions were totally innocent. June 4: A Hungarian prince discovers his long lost son working in a Doncaster grocer's shop. - I wondered what that referred to until I read your response to Lordroel.
June 5: The Spanish Inquisition stages a number of surprise midnight raids and arrests of various student and socialist groups, accusing them of anarchism, atheism and other crimes. - Just to remind us how barbaric elements in DE are. June 12: President Kennedy calls for a national effort to modernise and reinvigorate the nation's railway system. - Well that makes a dramatic departure compared to OTL. June 14: Wargame enthusiast E. Gary Gygax holds the first public Lake Geneva Gaming Convention in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin. An eccentric passing wizard accidentally stumbles upon the event at the Horticultural Hall and leaves behind a mysterious ring, a large book, a cheque for $10,000 and a pouch of 1d4 valuable objects. - That rings isn't a plain gold one is it! Is the pouch something that refills for every person who opens it? June 17: RAN guided missile destroyer HMAS Voyager DDG narrowly avoids being accidentally hit by two USAF AIM-7 Sparrows inadvertently fired by American fighters off the coast of Vietnam, shooting them down with her newly installed Legion close weapons system. - Close escape there but shows the usefulness of such a system. June 19: Unveiling of a range of new Chinese missiles in a parade in Peking. - Presuming that's a nuclear one? June 22: Marshal of the Royal Air Force Sir James Bigglesworth, VC and two Bars, Chief of the Air Staff and First Air Lord unveils the first operational prototype of the Sopwith Camel VSTOL multirole aircraft, describing it as a 'wizard kite' and ideal for the RAF and the Special Air Police. - So Biggles is still about.
June 23: Seventy-four people are killed and over two hundred are injured in a stampede in a football game in Buenos Aires. - I know Argentina takes its footie seriously but even for them that's bloody!
June 24: Twenty-five French anarchist, socialist and student leaders, including Daniel Cohn-Bendit, arrested in the crackdown following the May Days are guillotined, whilst others remain imprisoned. - Ugh! June 26: Christopher Lee recovers the stolen Iron Crown after seemingly being caught up in pursuit of the thieves whilst in Venice for the filming of Stanley Kubrick's Napoleon, cornering the villains in his flying Aston-Martin DB5 and subduing them with sword and bartitsu. - Hopefully it didn't interrupt the filming too much
June 27: The USAF issues its Long Term Combat Aircraft Requirements Plan, setting out its major priorities of a new supersonic interceptor for ADC, fielding of the FX and LFX with TAC, acquisition of the YB-72 to replace the B-58 fleet and the B-56 and B-66 forces, initiation of the LAX attack plane to replace the A-4 and A-7 light attack fleet and initiation of a replacement for the B-52 strategic bomber, as well as increased orders for the AX ground attack fighter. - That's a hell of a lot of new a/c designs.
June 30: The 26th Amendment of the United States Constitution is ratified, repealing the 22nd Amendment which set limits on the number of terms a US President can serve. - Do they have a President in mind? Kennedy is the obvious one of course.
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Post by simon darkshade on Nov 14, 2021 4:49:31 GMT
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1.) A rather long way indeed. 2.) Absolutely innocent and non-provocative. Standard Cold War playbook answer. 3.) He still had to fetch his cloth. 4.) More a case of the Spanish cleaning house to avoid a French style escalation and using every single charge on the statute book to do so. They are scared and when governments get scared, a reaction occurs. 5.) Absolutely. It is needed as rail remains the main way of shipping heavy ordnance about and there is a lot to ship, both with commitments in Europe and the very large force in Vietnam. The logistical requirements of ammunition and vehicle shipping alone requires 3 sailings from Long Beach and other West Coast ports a week, which in turn pushes the rail system connecting the West Coast with the Midwest ammunition/war production plants heavily. 6.) It is not The Ring, but simply a strange looking one with some interesting enchantments. The pouch does not refill, unfortunately. His gifts represent a typical D&D treasure hoard, which will impact the development of Dungeons and Dragons by Gygax. 7.) Certainly. They are costly, but these proto CIWS are faster to track and fire than older AA gun systems. In general, there hasn't been the gap in gun development that occurred in the 1960s, but even with the advanced Dark Earth systems, the CWS is welcome. 8.) Some are nuclear, some are SAMs. 9.) He is still about, although coming to the end of an illustrious career. In general, some careers go on longer due to the extended average lifespan, so that Biggles remains in service in his early 70s. 10.) Unfortunately, an OTL event. 11.) Cleaning house after unrest and a coup is never pleasant; here, the 1958 military action and the 1961 Algiers coup is somewhat transposed to the different time and place. 12.) It happened on his day off - it is Christopher Lee, after all. 13.) There are three new designs (the interceptor, new heavy bomber and LAX), with the FX and LFX having been going since the early 60s, the YB-72 being the testing prototype result of the BX programme going on for a similar time and the AX is an older, progressing design. 14.) It is intended for JFK, given the ongoing war and the paucity of follow-on candidates. By choosing a somewhat less than high profile VP and focusing on the President, there wasn't a real succession plan in place.
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Post by stevep on Nov 14, 2021 11:44:59 GMT
Steve, 1.) A rather long way indeed. 2.) Absolutely innocent and non-provocative. Standard Cold War playbook answer. 3.) He still had to fetch his cloth. 4.) More a case of the Spanish cleaning house to avoid a French style escalation and using every single charge on the statute book to do so. They are scared and when governments get scared, a reaction occurs. 5.) Absolutely. It is needed as rail remains the main way of shipping heavy ordnance about and there is a lot to ship, both with commitments in Europe and the very large force in Vietnam. The logistical requirements of ammunition and vehicle shipping alone requires 3 sailings from Long Beach and other West Coast ports a week, which in turn pushes the rail system connecting the West Coast with the Midwest ammunition/war production plants heavily. 6.) It is not The Ring, but simply a strange looking one with some interesting enchantments. The pouch does not refill, unfortunately. His gifts represent a typical D&D treasure hoard, which will impact the development of Dungeons and Dragons by Gygax. 7.) Certainly. They are costly, but these proto CIWS are faster to track and fire than older AA gun systems. In general, there hasn't been the gap in gun development that occurred in the 1960s, but even with the advanced Dark Earth systems, the CWS is welcome. 8.) Some are nuclear, some are SAMs. 9.) He is still about, although coming to the end of an illustrious career. In general, some careers go on longer due to the extended average lifespan, so that Biggles remains in service in his early 70s. 10.) Unfortunately, an OTL event. 11.) Cleaning house after unrest and a coup is never pleasant; here, the 1958 military action and the 1961 Algiers coup is somewhat transposed to the different time and place. 12.) It happened on his day off - it is Christopher Lee, after all. 13.) There are three new designs (the interceptor, new heavy bomber and LAX), with the FX and LFX having been going since the early 60s, the YB-72 being the testing prototype result of the BX programme going on for a similar time and the AX is an older, progressing design. 14.) It is intended for JFK, given the ongoing war and the paucity of follow-on candidates. By choosing a somewhat less than high profile VP and focusing on the President, there wasn't a real succession plan in place.
3.) He still had to fetch his cloth. - How much did his son charge him for it.
4.) More a case of the Spanish cleaning house to avoid a French style escalation and using every single charge on the statute book to do so. They are scared and when governments get scared, a reaction occurs. - The problem is the religious intolerance and brutality that is too common in parts of DE. 6.) It is not The Ring, but simply a strange looking one with some interesting enchantments. The pouch does not refill, unfortunately. His gifts represent a typical D&D treasure hoard, which will impact the development of Dungeons and Dragons by Gygax. - Well that's a relief. I asked if it refilled as you mentioned it containing 1d4 items which suggested the number of items varied. 11.) Cleaning house after unrest and a coup is never pleasant; here, the 1958 military action and the 1961 Algiers coup is somewhat transposed to the different time and place. - That's the problem when political extremist gain power. You often get the murder of political opponents.
12.) It happened on his day off - it is Christopher Lee, after all. -
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Post by simon darkshade on Nov 16, 2021 8:46:34 GMT
Steve,
Excuse the late response, but Property Law exams…are like being on holiday in 1920s Yakutsk. With a group of Belgians.
3.) I think Arkwright tried to charge both, up until the point when a Gladstone bag of sovereigns was placed on his counter as thanks. 4.) It is a different sort of religious intolerance, coming from a basis where unbelief is a mistrusted sign of anarchism and Bolshevism, particularly in very conservative Southern Europe; ‘tis a world not just of magic and dragons, but miracles, a completely accepted Father Christmas, evidence of demons and of angels. I do wish the brutality was anything more than historical. 6.) Yes, I can see how that impression could be derived, but the joke needs it. 11.) If isn’t a case of extremists taking power, but opportunists and a military that does not want even a scintilla of a repetition of 1940’s split and de facto civil war. Nor is it murder, but expedited executions following drumhead court martials, all with a lot more due process than Ceaucescu in 89, for example. The trial, sentence, appeal and confirmation took almost 1.5 months, so it isn’t necessarily a kangaroo court; it isn’t hugely different to the French execution schedule in @, whereby the last chap guillotined in public was sentenced on April 1 and executed on June 17, 2.5 months later and Ranucci in 1976 was 3.5 months. Incidentally, witnessing the 1939 last public execution in @ was… 12.) Christopher Lee. He really needs a bit of a short story or news article.
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Post by stevep on Nov 16, 2021 11:31:52 GMT
Steve, Excuse the late response, but Property Law exams…are like being on holiday in 1920s Yakutsk. With a group of Belgians. 3.) I think Arkwright tried to charge both, up until the point when a Gladstone bag of sovereigns was placed on his counter as thanks. 4.) It is a different sort of religious intolerance, coming from a basis where unbelief is a mistrusted sign of anarchism and Bolshevism, particularly in very conservative Southern Europe; ‘tis a world not just of magic and dragons, but miracles, a completely accepted Father Christmas, evidence of demons and of angels. I do wish the brutality was anything more than historical. 6.) Yes, I can see how that impression could be derived, but the joke needs it. 11.) If isn’t a case of extremists taking power, but opportunists and a military that does not want even a scintilla of a repetition of 1940’s split and de facto civil war. Nor is it murder, but expedited executions following drumhead court martials, all with a lot more due process than Ceaucescu in 89, for example. The trial, sentence, appeal and confirmation took almost 1.5 months, so it isn’t necessarily a kangaroo court; it isn’t hugely different to the French execution schedule in @, whereby the last chap guillotined in public was sentenced on April 1 and executed on June 17, 2.5 months later and Ranucci in 1976 was 3.5 months. Incidentally, witnessing the 1939 last public execution in @ was… 12.) Christopher Lee. He really needs a bit of a short story or news article.
No problem with the delay. RL always takes priority over AH.
4) On this we will have to differ. It's different to say how we would react in a universe where multiple gods seem to actually exist and are struggling for power - or alternatively believers are still stuck in dark age mentality and due to the existence of 'magic' this can trigger supernatural events.
11) On this it depends on the circumstances. If all those executed or imprisoned have committed serious crimes then there is an argument for it. If some have simply been involved in political protests then its definitely murder. That a group of extremists can force through such 'legal processes' within a few months mean nothing.
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Post by simon darkshade on Nov 16, 2021 15:25:16 GMT
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I’ve been careful not to delve too deeply into theology so far, but there hasn’t been any mention of multiple gods, per se. On the second point, it is a fantastical universe in terms of both its laws of nature and the things which clearly break them. For example, try as I might, one cannot wangle a natural evolution for the centaur. It seems evidence of something strange. Cosmic laws don’t seem to make sense. However, people’s mentality and world view has advanced from the Dark Ages; it simply comes to different conclusions based on the evidence at hand - when there is physical evidence of an ark, the crossing of the Red Sea, St George and the Dragon and more, the reaction of most is not cynicism or disbelief. One of my influences is David Gemmell and his Chronicles of the Jerusalem Man and it’s interplay of faith, horror, a multiverse and the fantastical.
The crimes they were tried for were treason, insurrection, conspiracy to overthrow the state, riot, murder and more. The parallel I’d draw is the Spartacist Uprising of 1919, but without the same paroxysm of extrajudicial killings after the suppression and the 1916 Easter Rising. The French are keen to appear to do things by the book, but it is a very short book. Those held aren’t just detained political protestors, but some hard core elements; they are being sorted through in an expedited fashion. There will be those who got caught up in protests that will find themselves imprisoned/sent to Devil’s Island, but they are being sorted through.
The big picture is not that radically inclined students and would be revolutionaries got caught up in a crackdown, but that they and indeed the hardcore radical leadership got provoked/engineered into providing a crisis for the French Army to step in, clean house and carry out a coup under the guise of a defensive counter-coup.
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Post by lordroel on Nov 20, 2021 10:37:29 GMT
May goblinoids and migrants alike set upon in the street fighting. Wait Communist goblinoids.
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Post by simon darkshade on Nov 20, 2021 10:58:35 GMT
No, just ordinary ones of a variety of political outlooks.
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Post by lordroel on Nov 20, 2021 11:01:43 GMT
MayMay 4: French airborne troops from Corsica land at Orly Airport before midnight and move to secure locations in the capital in conjunction with Gardes Royale and armoured forces. Key locations are surrounded by tanks and fighter planes, armed helicopters and dragons criss-cross the city. Thousands of protestors, students and rioters are rounded up and arrested by troops in the crackdown. So are the units riding Dragons part of the Dragoon Regiments (French: régiment de dragons).
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Post by simon darkshade on Nov 20, 2021 11:11:50 GMT
No, French dragoon regiments are armoured. Dragons are under a separate command and not part of the Armee de Terre, Marine Royale or Royale Service Aeronautique.
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Post by lordroel on Nov 20, 2021 11:18:41 GMT
May 20: The Commonwealth Corps begins Operation Stallion, a concentrated search and destroy offensive against remaining VC forces in Bin Duong Province, spearheaded by dwarven troops and specialist underground mining vehicles. So instead of OTL Tunnel rats we get the Tunnel dwarfs.
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Post by simon darkshade on Nov 20, 2021 11:20:45 GMT
They are exceptionally well suited to the particular parameters of that type of operation.
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