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Post by simon darkshade on Sept 12, 2020 18:42:20 GMT
In the case of China, several completely different ones, all for domestic consumption.
In Benelux, there is DAF, Nedcar, Ford, Société Anglo-Franco-Belge and Fabrique Nationale.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 12, 2020 18:46:15 GMT
In the case of China, several completely different ones, all for domestic consumption. In Benelux, there is DAF, Nedcar, Ford, Société Anglo-Franco-Belge and Fabrique Nationale. So NedCar wich was founded in OTL in 1967 is already active, also is DAF producing good cars ore most trucks. |
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Post by stevep on Sept 12, 2020 19:21:50 GMT
1967 Largest GDPs1.) USA: $8,238,377,496,115 (+ 6.65%) 2.) USSR: $3,467,024,719,276 (+ 9.2%) 3.) Germany: $3,140,609,012,126 (+ 7.97%) 4.) Britain: $3,117,140,289,451 (+ 8.48%) 5.) Japan: $2,353,160,611,633 (+ 11.27%) 6.) India: $1,737,272,697,980 (+ 4.62%) 7.) France: $1,717,549,613,146 (+ 8.59%) 8.) China: $1,526,310,805,258 (- 1.3%) 9.) Canada: $1,521,415,573,462 (+ 6.79%) 10.) Italy: $1,104,276,345,231 (+ 6.89%) 11.) Austria-Hungary: $883,712,710,428 (+ 4.9%) 1967 Largest Populations1.) China: 869,634,295 2.) India: 612,556,749 3.) Soviet Union: 352,356,675 4.) USA: 311,834,236 5.) Japan: 239,593,259 6.) Indonesia: 207,832,126 7.) Germany: 176,023,346 8.) Brazil: 136,981,237 9.) France: 135,487,531 10.) Britain: 132,629,488 11.) Mexico: 128,235,895 1966/67 Defence Spending1.) USA: $840,314,504,604 (10.2%) 2.) USSR: $606,729,325,873 (17.5%) 3.) Britain: $289,894,046,919 (9.3%) 4.) China: $219,788,755,957 (14.4%) 5.) Germany: $218,772,021,837 (6.9%) 6.) Japan: $164,721,242,814 (7%) 7.) France: $139,121,518,665 (8.1%) 8.) India: $118,134,543,463 (6.8%) 9.) Canada: $98,892,012,275 (6.5%) 10.) Italy: $67,360,857,069 (6.1%) 11.) Austria-Hungary: $54,790,188,047 (6.2%) 1966/67 Share of World Industrial Output1.) USA: 27.8% 2.) Soviet Union: 14.1% 3.) Germany: 12.4% 4.) Japan: 9.6% 5.) Britain: 7% 6.) China: 6.7% 7.) France: 4.8% 8.) India 4.7% 9.) Canada: 4.1% 10.) Italy: 3.5% 11.) Austria-Hungary: 3.2% Steel Production 1966/67 (million tons)1.) USA 149 2.) USSR 140 3.) Germany 79 4.) Japan: 72 5.) China: 58 6.) Britain 52 7.) AH: 42 8.) Poland 40 9.) Canada 38 10.) France: 32 11.) India: 31 Coal Production 1967 (million tons)1.) USSR: 627 2.) USA: 599 3.) Germany: 462 4.) China: 402 5.) Britain: 383 6.) Poland: 305 7.) India: 205 8.) Austria-Hungary: 200 9.) France: 184 10.) South Africa: 132 11.) Canada: 99 Automobile Production 1966/671.) USA: 11,588,219 2.) Germany: 4,562,310 3.) Japan: 4,076,992 4.) USSR: 3,567,243 5.) Britain: 2,896,749 6.) France: 2,713,082 7.) Canada: 2,333,546 8.) Italy: 2,117,359 9.) Austria-Hungary: 1,397,992 10.) China: 1,243,368 10.) Spain: 1,235,547 11.) Benelux: 901,538 Merchant Shipbuilding 1966/671.) Japan: 4,267,884 tons 2.) USA: 3,762,940 tons 3.) Britain: 3,258,766 tons 4.) USSR: 3,097,652 tons 5.) Germany: 1,979,532 tons 6.) China: 1,780,235 tons Aircraft Production 1966/671.) USSR: 5460 2.) USA: 4395 3.) China: 3268 4.) Britain: 2287 5.) Germany: 2249 6.) France: 1856 7.) Japan: 1560 8.) Canada: 899 9.) Italy: 740 10.) India: 729 11.) Austria-Hungary: 710 Tank Production 1966/671.) USSR: 8916 2.) USA: 5624 3.) China: 4235 4.) Germany: 2682 4.) Britain: 2536 6.) France: 2222 7.) India: 1947 8.) Japan: 1675 9.) Italy: 1568 10.) Austria-Hungary: 1134 11.) Canada: 1075
Starting gaming with a mate in a minute so will be quick. Things I note are: a) France actually has a higher population than the UK, which I didn't think was the case in the 1960's.
b) Japan, despite a markedly lower GDP is already some way ahead of Britain in terms of industrial production and also things like steel, merchant shipping and cars.
c) Russia is also producing quite a lot of MS as well, which seems a bit surprising.
Sorry to cut this short.
Steve
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Post by simon darkshade on Sept 12, 2020 19:22:54 GMT
Steve, I might have to do this in stages. I’ll do January tonight and the others hopefully tomorrow or Monday.
January:
1.) It is huge, game changing news with many consequences, some of which you’ve correctly identified as concerns.
2.) Correct. In the case of France, it comes as a result of de Gaulle exiting power and the rising costs of trying to play a great power role beyond Europe.
3.) Think of Apollo from @ as a children’s bike, suitable for nipping down to the shop 100 yards away for a pint of milk. The Orion here and its competitors are good, long ranged cars compared to that. Something that could go interstellar is like comparing that car to an interplanetary Orion as contemplated in @.
4.) It is the second operational atomic power station in Australia compared to none in @; there are 4 others under construction.
5.) The Bimini Road indicates that there are some interesting Atlantean materials emerging.
6.) The changing of the guard in South Vietnam came around 1962, with the Americans moving into takeover the French primacy. The French are based in the Mekong Delta, then heading north there are the other Europeans, US and other PATO Asian contributors, the Commonwealth north of Saigon, then several US zones plus the Koreans leading up to the DMZ. I can be more specific when I have my map handy.
7.) The mudslides were sadly OTL.
8.) Yes, it is a big worry that it is established enough to merit a protocol. I am a big fan of Wyndham’s works, as can be seen.
9.) The salient point there is that Gotham City is a NJ major city, just across from NYC, which takes on the role of Metropolis.
10.) It is one of several escalatory moves happening in the air, as both the Soviets and Chinese provide ‘volunteers’ as part of their attempts to court North Vietnam and wider SE Asia.
11.) Bolivia is very messy full stop. The Chinese are backing reformist/agrarian socialists by emphasising their nationalism and anti-Americanism.
12.) In @, the bombs were lighter 1 megaton weapons. These are B41s - 25 megaton bombs. The news of the accident caused the blood to drain from some faces.
13.) Here, he is a lost figure and great mystery who is found by Tintin.
14.) Several of those Pacific islands are larger, but on their own, they would all be unviable, even later down the line. The intent is to unite them as a South Pacific parallel to the West Indies, which might run into some problems. First and foremost, they don’t really have much of an economic leg to stand on when it comes to resources.
15.) The supertankers are historical, being based on the SS Northumbria - I was listening to a great Canadian folk song about it, of all things. Anglo Saxon Petroleum was Shell’s shipping company, but here is a separate entity operating in Africa and India; British Oil is the diversified heir of Burmah Oil and is a big player in the North Sea. Shell operates globally, growing out from the East Indies and Eagle Petroleum is focussed on Mexico and the Caribbean.
16.) Something strange is going on in Easter Island, related to its location and relative position.
17.) An OTL event where one pilot died during ejection.
18.) Covered separately.
19.) They are Valiants and Vulcans flying from the big airfields of Southern Malaya and Singapore.
20.) No EEC or any major economic integration thus far due to France annexing the Saar and some other moves that precluded the Franco-German rapprochement from @. However, there are sufficient drivers that, now that security seems to be taking a back seat and the leadership has changed, there is some scope for economic closeness, akin to the de Gaulle preference for a ‘Europe of nations’ from @.
21.) The call up rate will continue to rise and there has been a greater mobilisation of reserves, as well as their deployment to Vietnam. A lot of figures who avoided deployment or even a call up in @ will be conscripted and will serve.
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Post by simon darkshade on Sept 12, 2020 19:24:19 GMT
In the case of China, several completely different ones, all for domestic consumption. In Benelux, there is DAF, Nedcar, Ford, Société Anglo-Franco-Belge and Fabrique Nationale. So NedCar wich was founded in OTL in 1967 is already active, also is DAF producing good cars ore most trucks. Nedcar is early, operating from the 1950s. DAF produces both cars and trucks (60/40). |
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Post by simon darkshade on Sept 12, 2020 19:31:51 GMT
1967 Largest GDPs1.) USA: $8,238,377,496,115 (+ 6.65%) 2.) USSR: $3,467,024,719,276 (+ 9.2%) 3.) Germany: $3,140,609,012,126 (+ 7.97%) 4.) Britain: $3,117,140,289,451 (+ 8.48%) 5.) Japan: $2,353,160,611,633 (+ 11.27%) 6.) India: $1,737,272,697,980 (+ 4.62%) 7.) France: $1,717,549,613,146 (+ 8.59%) 8.) China: $1,526,310,805,258 (- 1.3%) 9.) Canada: $1,521,415,573,462 (+ 6.79%) 10.) Italy: $1,104,276,345,231 (+ 6.89%) 11.) Austria-Hungary: $883,712,710,428 (+ 4.9%) 1967 Largest Populations1.) China: 869,634,295 2.) India: 612,556,749 3.) Soviet Union: 352,356,675 4.) USA: 311,834,236 5.) Japan: 239,593,259 6.) Indonesia: 207,832,126 7.) Germany: 176,023,346 8.) Brazil: 136,981,237 9.) France: 135,487,531 10.) Britain: 132,629,488 11.) Mexico: 128,235,895 1966/67 Defence Spending1.) USA: $840,314,504,604 (10.2%) 2.) USSR: $606,729,325,873 (17.5%) 3.) Britain: $289,894,046,919 (9.3%) 4.) China: $219,788,755,957 (14.4%) 5.) Germany: $218,772,021,837 (6.9%) 6.) Japan: $164,721,242,814 (7%) 7.) France: $139,121,518,665 (8.1%) 8.) India: $118,134,543,463 (6.8%) 9.) Canada: $98,892,012,275 (6.5%) 10.) Italy: $67,360,857,069 (6.1%) 11.) Austria-Hungary: $54,790,188,047 (6.2%) 1966/67 Share of World Industrial Output1.) USA: 27.8% 2.) Soviet Union: 14.1% 3.) Germany: 12.4% 4.) Japan: 9.6% 5.) Britain: 7% 6.) China: 6.7% 7.) France: 4.8% 8.) India 4.7% 9.) Canada: 4.1% 10.) Italy: 3.5% 11.) Austria-Hungary: 3.2% Steel Production 1966/67 (million tons)1.) USA 149 2.) USSR 140 3.) Germany 79 4.) Japan: 72 5.) China: 58 6.) Britain 52 7.) AH: 42 8.) Poland 40 9.) Canada 38 10.) France: 32 11.) India: 31 Coal Production 1967 (million tons)1.) USSR: 627 2.) USA: 599 3.) Germany: 462 4.) China: 402 5.) Britain: 383 6.) Poland: 305 7.) India: 205 8.) Austria-Hungary: 200 9.) France: 184 10.) South Africa: 132 11.) Canada: 99 Automobile Production 1966/671.) USA: 11,588,219 2.) Germany: 4,562,310 3.) Japan: 4,076,992 4.) USSR: 3,567,243 5.) Britain: 2,896,749 6.) France: 2,713,082 7.) Canada: 2,333,546 8.) Italy: 2,117,359 9.) Austria-Hungary: 1,397,992 10.) China: 1,243,368 10.) Spain: 1,235,547 11.) Benelux: 901,538 Merchant Shipbuilding 1966/671.) Japan: 4,267,884 tons 2.) USA: 3,762,940 tons 3.) Britain: 3,258,766 tons 4.) USSR: 3,097,652 tons 5.) Germany: 1,979,532 tons 6.) China: 1,780,235 tons Aircraft Production 1966/671.) USSR: 5460 2.) USA: 4395 3.) China: 3268 4.) Britain: 2287 5.) Germany: 2249 6.) France: 1856 7.) Japan: 1560 8.) Canada: 899 9.) Italy: 740 10.) India: 729 11.) Austria-Hungary: 710 Tank Production 1966/671.) USSR: 8916 2.) USA: 5624 3.) China: 4235 4.) Germany: 2682 4.) Britain: 2536 6.) France: 2222 7.) India: 1947 8.) Japan: 1675 9.) Italy: 1568 10.) Austria-Hungary: 1134 11.) Canada: 1075
Starting gaming with a mate in a minute so will be quick. Things I note are: a) France actually has a higher population than the UK, which I didn't think was the case in the 1960's.
b) Japan, despite a markedly lower GDP is already some way ahead of Britain in terms of industrial production and also things like steel, merchant shipping and cars.
c) Russia is also producing quite a lot of MS as well, which seems a bit surprising.
Sorry to cut this short.
Steve
Steve, no worries. I’ll answer these now and if you have anything more to add later, just post it up and I’ll gladly answer. 1.) France has a better 19th century population-wise and the reduced WW1 toll now starts to be apparent. 2.) Japan is growing at breakneck pace and will surpass Britain within 5 years, which is quite later than @, but due in part to the heavier shoeing they took in WW2, including a partial invasion. 3.) The Soviets are building a lot of dual role shipping, but also includes fishing boats, big tankers and bulk carriers. Their 3 million tons comes out to around 170 ships. |
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Post by lordroel on Sept 13, 2020 8:25:09 GMT
1966 May 23: The self-determination referendum in Dutch Western New Guinea Indy results in a conclusive vote for independence above union with Indonesia. So no part of the Netherlands then, let’s hoop that they can stay independent, maybe with the Netherlands guaranteeing their independence in keeping troops station there. |
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Post by stevep on Sept 13, 2020 11:27:51 GMT
Steve, I might have to do this in stages. I’ll do January tonight and the others hopefully tomorrow or Monday. January: 1.) It is huge, game changing news with many consequences, some of which you’ve correctly identified as concerns. 2.) Correct. In the case of France, it comes as a result of de Gaulle exiting power and the rising costs of trying to play a great power role beyond Europe. 3.) Think of Apollo from @ as a children’s bike, suitable for nipping down to the shop 100 yards away for a pint of milk. The Orion here and its competitors are good, long ranged cars compared to that. Something that could go interstellar is like comparing that car to an interplanetary Orion as contemplated in @. 4.) It is the second operational atomic power station in Australia compared to none in @; there are 4 others under construction. 5.) The Bimini Road indicates that there are some interesting Atlantean materials emerging. 6.) The changing of the guard in South Vietnam came around 1962, with the Americans moving into takeover the French primacy. The French are based in the Mekong Delta, then heading north there are the other Europeans, US and other PATO Asian contributors, the Commonwealth north of Saigon, then several US zones plus the Koreans leading up to the DMZ. I can be more specific when I have my map handy. 7.) The mudslides were sadly OTL. 8.) Yes, it is a big worry that it is established enough to merit a protocol. I am a big fan of Wyndham’s works, as can be seen. 9.) The salient point there is that Gotham City is a NJ major city, just across from NYC, which takes on the role of Metropolis. 10.) It is one of several escalatory moves happening in the air, as both the Soviets and Chinese provide ‘volunteers’ as part of their attempts to court North Vietnam and wider SE Asia. 11.) Bolivia is very messy full stop. The Chinese are backing reformist/agrarian socialists by emphasising their nationalism and anti-Americanism. 12.) In @, the bombs were lighter 1 megaton weapons. These are B41s - 25 megaton bombs. The news of the accident caused the blood to drain from some faces. 13.) Here, he is a lost figure and great mystery who is found by Tintin. 14.) Several of those Pacific islands are larger, but on their own, they would all be unviable, even later down the line. The intent is to unite them as a South Pacific parallel to the West Indies, which might run into some problems. First and foremost, they don’t really have much of an economic leg to stand on when it comes to resources. 15.) The supertankers are historical, being based on the SS Northumbria - I was listening to a great Canadian folk song about it, of all things. Anglo Saxon Petroleum was Shell’s shipping company, but here is a separate entity operating in Africa and India; British Oil is the diversified heir of Burmah Oil and is a big player in the North Sea. Shell operates globally, growing out from the East Indies and Eagle Petroleum is focussed on Mexico and the Caribbean. 16.) Something strange is going on in Easter Island, related to its location and relative position. 17.) An OTL event where one pilot died during ejection. 18.) Covered separately. 19.) They are Valiants and Vulcans flying from the big airfields of Southern Malaya and Singapore. 20.) No EEC or any major economic integration thus far due to France annexing the Saar and some other moves that precluded the Franco-German rapprochement from @. However, there are sufficient drivers that, now that security seems to be taking a back seat and the leadership has changed, there is some scope for economic closeness, akin to the de Gaulle preference for a ‘Europe of nations’ from @. 21.) The call up rate will continue to rise and there has been a greater mobilisation of reserves, as well as their deployment to Vietnam. A lot of figures who avoided deployment or even a call up in @ will be conscripted and will serve.
First of all, should have said yesterday but didn't think in time. Ignore, unless you wish to reply, the ones with a simple like or any you don't think too relevant. I rather went OTT in my reply in responding to your post.
Anyway thanks for your response and clarifications and I'm replying to some points:
5.) The Bimini Road indicates that there are some interesting Atlantean materials emerging. - I forgot to actually say but be interesting to see how advanced they were.
8.) Yes, it is a big worry that it is established enough to merit a protocol. I am a big fan of Wyndham’s works, as can be seen. - What happened in this and earlier cases or is that still too highly classified?
12.) In @, the bombs were lighter 1 megaton weapons. These are B41s - 25 megaton bombs. The news of the accident caused the blood to drain from some faces. - Ugh that is nasty. Think the wiki entry was ~70kton load which I thought was small for thermonuclear entries.
13.) Here, he is a lost figure and great mystery who is found by Tintin. - Ah misread it. Tintin was the Belgium. Apologies.
14.) Several of those Pacific islands are larger, but on their own, they would all be unviable, even later down the line. The intent is to unite them as a South Pacific parallel to the West Indies, which might run into some problems. First and foremost, they don’t really have much of an economic leg to stand on when it comes to resources. - Well they have a lot of rather damp real estate,  which has some valuable fishing resources. Further down the line tourism and some aspects such as mining or power generation might become very important and useful for them. Mind you traditional rivalries could be a problem but if they do stay together you realise the RU monster your created! Especially since if its a viable team its more likely to keep the people who OTL played for other nations.
16.) Something strange is going on in Easter Island, related to its location and relative position. - Well other than being so isolated I don't really know anything special about its location but something is going on.
21.) The call up rate will continue to rise and there has been a greater mobilisation of reserves, as well as their deployment to Vietnam. A lot of figures who avoided deployment or even a call up in @ will be conscripted and will serve. - Well there's one obvious one who lost 4 years of his career OTL so I can't see him doing any better here.
Thanks
Steve
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Post by simon darkshade on Sept 13, 2020 13:53:29 GMT
1.) They were quite advanced; some hints are in 1947’s stories
2.) It is very highly classified.
3.) With that type of yield, there was a big worry
4.) Not a problem. Tintin will be heard of again.
5.) Yes, at the moment, fish and tourism is all they have, outside of Nauru’s phosphate. They are going to be good at rugby, but need jobs.
6.) I’ll detail more in my eventual notes.
7.) I was thinking more of some politicians and pop culture figures, but those details will come.
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Post by simon darkshade on Sept 13, 2020 20:58:03 GMT
February
1.) That is broadly correct. The Liberals are in favour of working with the French Monnetists, who are achieving a bit more success with the Benelux states leaning towards them, whereas other British political parties, including the bulk of the traditional Labour Party, oppose it.
2.) Yes, the Dogon of @ are far less possessed of impossible knowledge, whereas the Dark Earth equivalent are far closer to the initial “weird” hypothesis.
3.) Mechanised Armoured Combat Vehicle is the reaction to Soviet developments of what will become the BMP-1.
4.) Here, de Gaulle doesn’t quite succeed in grooming a successor in the same fashion.
5.) Quite a few of the “strange” events for this year in particular were inspired by episodes of “In Search Of” presented by Leonard Nimoy.
6.) You are correct as to the cause of the meeting.
7.) That should read “telephone cable”, but the general operation is a bit “Bondish”.
8.) The race is on; there may be landings on some moons in the Jovian system.
9.) Camilo Torres’s survival isn’t supernatural, but one of those events claimed as such to show that he has God in his side.
10.) The French are using both Algeria and the South Pacific for testing as they have rather different warhead designs for different roles.
11.) It was a historical crash.
12.) The RN is better off, certainly, but also reflects a government that doesn’t start and then abandon military projects quite as much. These light ASW carriers are a bit of an amalgam of several designs with a bit of ahistorical development. Briefly, they are Clemenceau-sized helicopter and Rotodyne carriers that also have a Sea Harrier squadron on board. 30,000t, 32kts, gas turbines, 50 aircraft/helos and some interesting new defensive systems. Along with the joint ASW frigates, they will be very capable additions to the ASW force.
13.) It is a non-historical development and may be used for a variety of future purposes.
14.) Aden will become a growing problem for some time to come.
15.) The Great Whites, apparently, are extinct.
16.) It is a delayed event and won’t result in the historical development of Ghana. More to come on this in the notes.
17.) As said, the Tsarevich will get a taste of action, but nothing too dangerous.
18.) The OTL coup won’t occur, but the cause of this is a bit more insidious...
19.) It is historical, although the PAC is not the OAU of @.
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Post by simon darkshade on Sept 14, 2020 7:01:28 GMT
March 1.) The 1966 troop level of 777,000 is larger than the @ peak of 536,000 and will rise further in 1967. The peak year for expense historically was 1967 with $77.4 billion, compared to $69 billion here in 1966, which will also rise in 1967. You are correct on the relative level of militarisation 2.) The Turkish build up is aimed at Greece, the Soviets and the Middle East, in that order. 3.) The new South American battleships are replacing the older vessels of prewar vintage and are primarily prestige ships, as well as reflections of the new arms race. 4.) It isn't so much support as: Very Positive 14%, Positive 18%, Neutral 30%, Negative 21%, Very Negative 17% 5.) The Social Security increases are historical; Kennedy's domestic agenda is broadly similar to that of LBJ. 6.) Guatemala is a historical event and concern. The British aren't really concerned at this stage, as there haven't been any rumblings towards British Honduras. 7.) Trotsky does kick on for a fair while, but he declines any arcane life extension. 8.) There is growing tension between Israel and the Arab Union states (Syria, Iraq, Arabia and Jordan) but I can't see a 6 Day War happening in 1967 for several reasons. Firstly, there is the Commonwealth ties as indicated and the British garrison in Egypt and Israel. Secondly, there is Israel's open nuclear status and fairly formidable defence capacity. Thirdly, there is a small but symbolic US force in the area, although this has been drawn down with the build-up in Vietnam. Fourthly, there isn't quite the same Pan-Arab + Nasser factor at play. Fifthly, Egypt is somewhat separate from the Arab Union. Increased tensions could eventually lead to problems, but the situation is different from @ and there won't be the same triggers. 9.) There will be some interesting information coming out about the latter half of WW1, but nothing astounding. 10.) The combined Benelux forces don't constitute an increase in forces per se, but they are heavier, better coordinated and have more war stocks. 11.) It is extremely concerning given the regional issues, but the Soviets have given an assurance that they do not have atomic warheads through back channels. 12.) This was a historical event, with the alternate spelling rather than Paradeep. 13.) Yes, it is evidence for something ancient here, rather than the Earthly situation of being most probably natural. 14.) They pull out all the stops to find the bombs. 15.) Yes, this was a historic event. 16.) The Light Anti-Submarine Warfare Frigates take the place/role of the Type 21s/22s for the RN, the Brooke, Garcia and Knox class DEs/FFs for the USN, the General Purpose Frigate design for the RCN and the Australian Light Destroyer design for the RAN. The South Africans will also be looking to acquire 12 frigates to replace their 15 wartime frigates, the Kiwis would need at least 8 frigates and the Royal Indian Navy has a requirement for up to 24 ships. Outside the Commonwealth, the Dutch and Belgians would also be in the market. 17.) Mr. Roarke will be naming the place Fantasy Island. 18.) Action Man will turn out a bit differently from @. I'll have to put together some thoughts on it. 19.) Pickles does find the trophy, which will be carefully guarded from this point. 20.) There is a much bigger emphasis on preserving fish stocks on Dark Earth, which will preclude the huge drop off that occurred in @. 21.) Solar power satellites could be very, very handy. Their use as weapons would need a bit more investment and some side development. 22.) Ecuador will play out in due course, but won't be swiftly resolved. Given that it was a bit of a backward monarchy, the US aren't jumping up and down to restore the king. 23.) There will be some different developments in the World Heavyweight stakes. 24.) As mentioned elsewhere, The Lord of the Rings will be a very big picture. Bigger than Ben Hur, even. 25.) The 'white heat of technology' was where I was leaning with Barton's speech. In general, British economic development is on a different trajectory. 26.) Dreadnought is definitely behind due to the relative position of where it is in the asteroid belt, which I've had to just handwave as I couldn't find where the various planets were in 1966 and in mid 1967, but with supplies, has the 'range' to make it there and back again. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Sept 14, 2020 10:33:48 GMT
April
1.) The protests are OTL, but in general, the South Vietnamese government isn’t as much of a basket case.
2.) A larger Royal Family reflects a general social pattern for larger families and some different biological factors.
3.) Historically, they broke out over fares. Here, I wanted to inject a note of the suspicion of the British colonial authorities, who see Communist and Chinese threats in many events.
4.) The Kosygin reforms were historical, although they were curtailed under Brezhnev. Here, they will continue.
5.) It wasn’t a mistake. This ship, the American one and a Soviet one are all very, very long term projects that aren’t designed to carry huge crews. The size and general appearance? Something like Red Dwarf, at least for the British ship.
6.) I’m not sure which cruiser gets saved, or if they do at all. At the moment, there are a lot of ships newly placed in reserve. I’ll put something together in a separate post.
7.) It is a historical event, but hard to get details from the most usual sources.
8.) Yes, it certainly is. Israel doesn’t quite fit as a subsidiary nation of either Britain or the USA for that matter. It has a quite strategic location.
9.) The records will eventually be in English.
10.) He will. On a related note, it is quite interesting to see the British dominance of motor racing at this point.
11.) Yes, Arabian oil is very much in British control and theirs is the primary influence. The Arabian Hashemite monarchy isn’t the same as the Saudis in a number of different ways.
12.) Wilhelm Hitler is quite sane, quite brilliant, quite fanatic and quite, quite evil.
13.) That is the proximate cause, but it has been simmering for some time.
14.) Indeed. Colour television has been around in Britain since 1950 or so.
15.) There will be more VCs coming soon.
16.) Yes, Britain is trying to do as much as possible with as minimal a commitment as possible. To that end, the bombers used are those deployed in the Far East anyway for deterrence of Indonesia and use in Malaya and Burma. The land forces committed initially were a Gurkha division and a British brigade. However, as things escalate, this strategy is no longer possible.
17.) Historically, she wasn’t quite so old. The “old age” contest is a little less significant with longer lives and magic.
18.) The assassination attempt occurred and failed historically, but here, his British supplied wizard does the job; his role also involves ensuring that the Sultan doesn’t go against British interests.
19.) It was motivated, as in @, by the girl wanting to see her father who was stationed in Britain. Here, after her attempt was discovered, the British Ambassador stepped in and offered to pay for a flight to see her father. A little thing, of no great global import, but nice to create/write.
20.) It doesn’t help such relations at all.
21.) The hovercraft doesn’t end up as a relative developmental cul de sac here.
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Post by simon darkshade on Sept 14, 2020 12:50:56 GMT
RN Cruiser Disposals as of 31/12/1966:
Town class:
Sheffield: Laid up in the Gareloch
Belfast: Laid up in Fareham Creek, Portsmouth
Liverpool: Laid up at Plymouth
Avalon: Sold to Portugal 1961
Bristol: Scrapped at Jarrow 1964
Glasgow: Laid up at Rosyth
Oxford: Scrapped at Jarrow 1963
Gloucester: Scrapping at Inverkeithing 1965
Birmingham: Laid up at Malta
Newcastle: Laid up in the Gareloch
Manchester: Laid up at Malta
Dublin: Scrapped at Inverkeithing 1964
Coventry: Scrapped at Jarrow 1961
Cambridge: Accomodation ship at Dar Es Salaam
Aberdeen: Scrapped at Blyth 1961
Cardiff: Scrapped at Faslane 1963
Edinburgh: Laid up in Plymouth
Lyonesse: Laid up in Bahrain
Nottingham: Scrapprd at Blyth 1962
Southampton: Laid up in Plymouth
Fiji: Accomodation ship at Hong Kong
Jamaica: Transferred to Royal West Indian Navy 1962
Kenya: Transferred to Royal Kenyan Navy 1962
Malaya: Transferred to Royal Malayan Navy 1964
Trinidad: Transferred to Royal West Indian Navy 1963
Mauritius: Laid up in Fareham Creek
Bermuda: Transferred to Royal West Indian Navy 1963
Gambia: Laid up at Rosyth
Nigeria: Laid up at Pembroke Dock
Ceylon: Scrapped at Jarrow 1965
Uganda: Laid up at Rosyth
Burma: Transferred to Royal Malayan Navy 1965
Barbados: Transferred to Royal West Indian Navy 1963
Aden: Scrapped at Inverkeithing 1963
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Post by stevep on Sept 14, 2020 14:30:05 GMT
February 1.) That is broadly correct. The Liberals are in favour of working with the French Monnetists, who are achieving a bit more success with the Benelux states leaning towards them, whereas other British political parties, including the bulk of the traditional Labour Party, oppose it. 2.) Yes, the Dogon of @ are far less possessed of impossible knowledge, whereas the Dark Earth equivalent are far closer to the initial “weird” hypothesis. 3.) Mechanised Armoured Combat Vehicle is the reaction to Soviet developments of what will become the BMP-1. 4.) Here, de Gaulle doesn’t quite succeed in grooming a successor in the same fashion. 5.) Quite a few of the “strange” events for this year in particular were inspired by episodes of “In Search Of” presented by Leonard Nimoy. 6.) You are correct as to the cause of the meeting. 7.) That should read “telephone cable”, but the general operation is a bit “Bondish”. 8.) The race is on; there may be landings on some moons in the Jovian system. 9.) Camilo Torres’s survival isn’t supernatural, but one of those events claimed as such to show that he has God in his side. 10.) The French are using both Algeria and the South Pacific for testing as they have rather different warhead designs for different roles. 11.) It was a historical crash. 12.) The RN is better off, certainly, but also reflects a government that doesn’t start and then abandon military projects quite as much. These light ASW carriers are a bit of an amalgam of several designs with a bit of ahistorical development. Briefly, they are Clemenceau-sized helicopter and Rotodyne carriers that also have a Sea Harrier squadron on board. 30,000t, 32kts, gas turbines, 50 aircraft/helos and some interesting new defensive systems. Along with the joint ASW frigates, they will be very capable additions to the ASW force. 13.) It is a non-historical development and may be used for a variety of future purposes. 14.) Aden will become a growing problem for some time to come. 15.) The Great Whites, apparently, are extinct. 16.) It is a delayed event and won’t result in the historical development of Ghana. More to come on this in the notes. 17.) As said, the Tsarevich will get a taste of action, but nothing too dangerous. 18.) The OTL coup won’t occur, but the cause of this is a bit more insidious... 19.) It is historical, although the PAC is not the OAU of @.
3) - OK thanks for clarifying.
8) - Yes there could be on the moons. Someone's in great trouble if they get too close to Jupiter. Will be interesting to see if the main moons are as OTL or more exotic.
17 - that sounds ominious. Something dark and sinister.
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Post by stevep on Sept 14, 2020 14:49:02 GMT
March 1.) The 1966 troop level of 777,000 is larger than the @ peak of 536,000 and will rise further in 1967. The peak year for expense historically was 1967 with $77.4 billion, compared to $69 billion here in 1966, which will also rise in 1967. You are correct on the relative level of militarisation 2.) The Turkish build up is aimed at Greece, the Soviets and the Middle East, in that order. 3.) The new South American battleships are replacing the older vessels of prewar vintage and are primarily prestige ships, as well as reflections of the new arms race. 4.) It isn't so much support as: Very Positive 14%, Positive 18%, Neutral 30%, Negative 21%, Very Negative 17% 5.) The Social Security increases are historical; Kennedy's domestic agenda is broadly similar to that of LBJ. 6.) Guatemala is a historical event and concern. The British aren't really concerned at this stage, as there haven't been any rumblings towards British Honduras. 7.) Trotsky does kick on for a fair while, but he declines any arcane life extension. 8.) There is growing tension between Israel and the Arab Union states (Syria, Iraq, Arabia and Jordan) but I can't see a 6 Day War happening in 1967 for several reasons. Firstly, there is the Commonwealth ties as indicated and the British garrison in Egypt and Israel. Secondly, there is Israel's open nuclear status and fairly formidable defence capacity. Thirdly, there is a small but symbolic US force in the area, although this has been drawn down with the build-up in Vietnam. Fourthly, there isn't quite the same Pan-Arab + Nasser factor at play. Fifthly, Egypt is somewhat separate from the Arab Union. Increased tensions could eventually lead to problems, but the situation is different from @ and there won't be the same triggers. 9.) There will be some interesting information coming out about the latter half of WW1, but nothing astounding. 10.) The combined Benelux forces don't constitute an increase in forces per se, but they are heavier, better coordinated and have more war stocks. 11.) It is extremely concerning given the regional issues, but the Soviets have given an assurance that they do not have atomic warheads through back channels. 12.) This was a historical event, with the alternate spelling rather than Paradeep. 13.) Yes, it is evidence for something ancient here, rather than the Earthly situation of being most probably natural. 14.) They pull out all the stops to find the bombs. 15.) Yes, this was a historic event. 16.) The Light Anti-Submarine Warfare Frigates take the place/role of the Type 21s/22s for the RN, the Brooke, Garcia and Knox class DEs/FFs for the USN, the General Purpose Frigate design for the RCN and the Australian Light Destroyer design for the RAN. The South Africans will also be looking to acquire 12 frigates to replace their 15 wartime frigates, the Kiwis would need at least 8 frigates and the Royal Indian Navy has a requirement for up to 24 ships. Outside the Commonwealth, the Dutch and Belgians would also be in the market. 17.) Mr. Roarke will be naming the place Fantasy Island. 18.) Action Man will turn out a bit differently from @. I'll have to put together some thoughts on it. 19.) Pickles does find the trophy, which will be carefully guarded from this point. 20.) There is a much bigger emphasis on preserving fish stocks on Dark Earth, which will preclude the huge drop off that occurred in @. 21.) Solar power satellites could be very, very handy. Their use as weapons would need a bit more investment and some side development. 22.) Ecuador will play out in due course, but won't be swiftly resolved. Given that it was a bit of a backward monarchy, the US aren't jumping up and down to restore the king. 23.) There will be some different developments in the World Heavyweight stakes. 24.) As mentioned elsewhere, The Lord of the Rings will be a very big picture. Bigger than Ben Hur, even. 25.) The 'white heat of technology' was where I was leaning with Barton's speech. In general, British economic development is on a different trajectory. 26.) Dreadnought is definitely behind due to the relative position of where it is in the asteroid belt, which I've had to just handwave as I couldn't find where the various planets were in 1966 and in mid 1967, but with supplies, has the 'range' to make it there and back again. 2) Thought Greece might be the primary target.
4) OK thanks for clarifying again.
13) Do you have a list of all the ancient/supernatural cultures/contacts etc in DE?
17) Ah not a programme I watched but rings a bell now.
20) - That is good.
22) - "Given that it was a bit of a backward monarchy, the US aren't jumping up and down to restore the king" - That shows how different DE is from OTL. 
26) That last bit is the important one. That they can get there and back safely, assuming they can survive both the environment and any hostile forces they encounter.
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which has some valuable fishing resources. Further down the line tourism and some aspects such as mining or power generation might become very important and useful for them. Mind you traditional rivalries could be a problem but if they do stay together you realise the RU monster your created! Especially since if its a viable team its more likely to keep the people who OTL played for other nations. 