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Post by lordroel on Jul 23, 2018 13:39:31 GMT
“So you have your very own garden gnome.” History of the Tank – Captain Simon Bailey, V.C.I wonder how to picture a garden gnome.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jul 23, 2018 21:45:30 GMT
To be fair, the Baileys have a tomte, who looks fairly much like a small bearded man with a large nose and a funny hat.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 24, 2018 3:02:50 GMT
To be fair, the Baileys have a tomte, who looks fairly much like a small bearded man with a large nose and a funny hat. Googling it it seems that this tomte comes from Nordic folklore. am i correct.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jul 24, 2018 10:07:35 GMT
Yes, they are a Nordic/Swedish species of benign and friendly house gnome.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jul 24, 2018 10:16:24 GMT
Never Had it So Good Part 8
“Sam. Sam!” The words broke through the pleasant haze of sleep and Sam shook his head to wake himself up.
“Who? Where? What?” he babbled as he blinked at the afternoon sunlight shining directly in on his eyes.
“Simon Bailey, in his library and would you like some tea?” Bailey rattled off his responses in a good natured manner.
“Yes, of course! How long was I asleep for?”
“Only five minutes or so. I decided to let you kip where you were while I had a bit of a go at the Times crossword. Hmmm…28 letters and ending with ‘m’ and the only clue is ’Silly nonsense’. Ah, got it! ‘Antidisestablishmentarianism’.”
“You mentioned something about tea…”
“Ah, of course. It should just be ready now. I’ll be mother.” Simon reached forward onto the small table and poured a pair of perfect measures of black tea into two delicately painted china cups. The fragrant steam woke Sam up fully and set his senses afire with anticipation. He was quite gratified to see that Bailey was not a barbarian, adding milk and sugar afterwards.
“There you are. I had Victoria bring in a few cucumber sandwiches and what not in case you were a bit peckish. Battenberg?”
“Yes, please!” Sam dove in to the provender with a great gusto that surprised himself. Perhaps it was something strange in the air here that built up the appetite in such a manner. Bailey nibbled on a bit of cake thoughtfully before putting aside his newspaper and rising.
“Well, I don’t know about you, old boy, but I’m going to have a bath and freshen up a bit. There’s one up across from your room as well in the guest wing.”
The idea struck Sam as an eminently agreeable one and, with a last wistful glance at the remaining Battenberg, he clambered out of the very easy chair, made his way upstairs and found the bathroom. It was beautifully appointed in gold, crimson and royal blue and the polished white marble floor sparkled as it was lit by the bright rays of the sun shining through the high leaded window. A luxuriantly large bath lay opposite the gilt sink and vanity, replete with four taps and a dignified rubber duck. He soon discovered that they were for varying temperatures of water and found the four coloured buttons on the panel positioned conveniently within arm’s length as he reclined dispensed effervescent bubbles, aromatic oils, iridescent unguents and a steady stream of pleasant steam respectively. Another dial controlled the ambient temperature of the air or, when pressed in first, offered a range of waterproof magazines from a retractable alcove. As he wondered how he could recommend these sensible features to interior designers once he got home, he was once again surprised by the discovery of a radio dial.
“Let me see…My options seem to be the BBC, more BBC, Auntie, still more BBC and, for a bit of a change, the BBC.” Sam mused to himself as he turned the knob before finally deciding on the Light Programme and stretching back in the hot water. As luck would have it, he tuned in just in time for the news.
“…the news. Her Majesty the Queen has attended the commissioning ceremony of the Royal Navy’s first atomic super battleship HMS Queen Elizabeth at the Armstrong-Whitworth shipyard in Newcastle-on-Tyne in front of a crowd of over 50,000. The Stockholm Summit has come to a successful conclusion, with the great powers agreeing on a timetable for the normalization of the European situation and issuing a joint statement supporting peaceful coexistence. Fighting continues to rage in the Congo for the fourth successive week and the Belgian authorities are facing renewed pressure to consider a peaceful solution to the crisis. President Kennedy has announced that the first mission to Jupiter and Saturn by the Orion spacecraft will be launched in 1963 in an expansive speech at the opening of a new NASA Space Centre in Houston, Texas. A meeting of the Arab League has called for a new path of independence in the Middle East. In London today, Milo Standfast became the first halfling to jump the Thames on a motorcycle. This evening, fine and mild across England with fog developing over the Home Counties.”
Just the usual stuff then – nuclear spaceships, détente and midget daredevils. He closed his eyes and enjoyed the warmth, but was awoken by a faint beeping sound that he discovered came from the bathtub itself, informing him that the water temperature was approaching a non-optimal level and that he had been in for 39 minutes and 26 seconds, which was probably enough time to a good old soak, without putting any undue pressure upon him. If there was one thing that this world did better than his own, it was the nice manners of the domestic appliances.
With a reluctant groan, he arose from the tub and dried himself with the exceptional fluffy towels hanging at the edge of the bath. Wrapped up like a wanderer through the deserts of Arabia, he padded across the hall to his room, where a new set of clothes and underthings had been thoughtfully laid out for him on the bed. As he picked out the black tie from a selection of five, he noticed that his own freshly laundered clothes were folded neatly on a chair in the corner and had to pause to brush a speck of dust out of his eye as he briefly remembered his own home, so very far away.
He ran into Simon at the foot of the stairs, looking ruddy and fresh faced. “Feels better, doesn’t it, old boy?”
“You can say that again.”
“What did you think of the book?”
“I only got a chance to flip through it briefly, but it filled in a few of the gaps for me.”
“Tanks.”
“You’re welcome.” groaned Sam. “I couldn’t quite believe the numbers of Crusaders and Centurions.”
“Well, we have been a little busy for the past few decades. Now that the big factories in Newcastle, Leeds, Manchester and Sheffield are going at full pelt on the Chieftains, the War Office started to distribute some of the old war reserves to villages and towns for, ahem, ‘display purposes’. We’re meant to get a Centurion here.”
“The Home Guard with tanks. Seems a little excessive.”
“Not after 1940.”
“What do you mean?”
“Sealion.”
“Oh, come on! Don’t tell me that the Germans actually invaded?! The whole plan was completely impossible!”
“Maybe to you and I standing here in 1961, or the commanders in their bunkers at Whitehall. But for the cold and tired Tommy manning a machine gun on the coast of Kent , the sailors out on the destroyers sweeping the dark waters of the channel, the brave young few up in the sky or even a rather callow yet good-looking fifteen-year old guarding a Buckinghamshire laneway when he should have been in bed…it was a matter of when Jerry came, not if. Things changed, of course, after the fools actually went and tried it.” A bright yet grim light sparked up in Simon’s eyes and the corner of his mouth turned in a sardonic grin.
Sam blanched “Sealion actually happened?”
“I said they tried. I never said they succeeded. The Battle of the North Sea, they called it in the newsreels. It just so happened that they tried to cross on the very night that the Channel Fleet was heading over to attack the invasion ports and the Grand Fleet was out on a covering sweep in the Dogger Bank. Pure coincidence, naturally. A few years afterwards, I met a German prisoner of war who was pulled out of the water that night. He talked about the sea being on fire, of gas shells exploding over their barges, of the huge waves churned up by the destroyers and cruisers and the battlewagons steaming out of the smoke and mist to simply crush everything before them. He was one of the fortunate ones; there were almost ten thousand who weren’t so lucky. If there is ever a next time, the enemy might not have the tactical genius of Herr Hitler. So we keep a few tanks around. For display purposes.”
Bailey fished out his pocketwatch and cast an eye at it. He looked up with a bright smile. “Just before five. Dinner is at 6, the children aren’t at home yet, Victoria hasn’t spotted us and the sun is past the yardarm. Follow me.” He set off at fast clip, Sam tagging along behind as they wound their way through several passageways into what appeared to be a drawing room. His host went across to the wall and flicked a switch. A drinks cabinet that had been concealed behind a painting sprung open automatically, revealing all manner of bottles. Simon poured two large measures of gin, added tonic and ice and offered one to Sam with a playful grin.
“Cheers, Sam. To Australia!”
“Australia.”
They settled down in two Chesterfield chairs and looked out on the garden in contented silence. The green grass and bushes and riotous rainbow of flowers were tinged a gleaming gold by the intense sunlight. A black cat wandered into the room and settled down in a warm spot next to Sam’s chair where he absently mindedly stroked its head. Several white butterflies fluttered out of the trees and gamboled lackadaisically about over the lawn before they scattered, followed by a muffled chorus of high-pitched meeps and squeaks and what seemed to be tiny butterfly nets racing on the top of the grass.
“That’ll be the pixies. I’ll have to have a word with Nils about keeping them in line. Last week I caught the boys betting their pocket money on a mouse race that the little devils were running down past the toadstools.”
“What did you do?”
“Backed the winner for two pounds and then had a stern word with all involved.”
“You know, Simon, sometimes I don’t know when to take you seriously or not.”
“Victoria says the same thing. My advice is to take the serious things in life with a stiff upper lip and the rest with a cheerful smile. It is the British way and Britain is…”
“The greatest country in the world?” Sam cut in wryly.
“Of course. You don’t think so?”
“No, I can’t say I feel the same burning sense of national pride as you do. On some things, we really are worlds apart”
“Never a truer word was spoken. I’d like to visit your neck of the woods sometime. It sounds…remarkable…”
Sam was about to reply when a bit of movement outside caught his eye. As he focused, he saw the unmistakable massive silhouette of a far-off airship chugged its way across the horizon at a tremendous speed.
“These airships much faster than ours were.”
“Mmm. They have to be, these days. It’s not like the war anymore, when they could match a flying boat or a transport plane. That will probably be the Manchester Skyship, off on the All Red Route for Ceylon or Kenya. You can set your watch by it.”
“What’s the difference between a skyship and an airship?”
“Skyships are larger, faster and can carry a dashed sight more cargo. Cost a pretty penny, though. That one will be carrying six or seven thousand tons of textiles destined for Mars. Quite the lucrative trade.”
“Let me guess, it is powered by a magical steam engine?”
“How did you know?” Simon sounded delighted.
“Just a wild stab in the dark. What about all this house and all its gadgets? Does it have a wizard furnace in the cellar or something like that?”
“No, I haven’t heard of one of those in years. Our modern conveniences are run by far more prosaic means – cheap electricity, the cheapest in Europe, actually. All that coal, oil and gas, you see, along with the new atomic plants.”
“Aren’t they dangerous?”
“Well, I wouldn’t go swimming in them myself. And we get more fuel for our atom bombs to boot, so it serves the nation twice over.”
“You seem a bit overly exuberant about nuclear weapons. I can’t say they were as popular where I came from.”
“They’re not exactly a cream tea and a pot of leprechaun’s gold here, either, but they keep the Empire safe and the Reds in their place. There was a little ditty about it back in ’56 that was rather popular:
We don’t want to fight, but by Jingo if we do, We’ve got the ships, we’ve got the men, we’ve got the H-bomb too We’ve fought the Bear before, and while we’re Britons true The Russians will not have Constantinople!
Bailey sung the verse jauntily, swinging his arm as he went and finishing up by leaping to his feet and downing the rest of his gin. Sam was struck by a mixture of shock, distaste and the impulse to laugh.
“A bit Victorian, don’t you think?”
“That’s what the Russians thought. They think a bit differently now.” Simon’s mood changed abruptly and he stared off at something in the distance, his mouth drawn in a firm line.
“What actually happened in the ’56 war? You said you won.”
“Oh, we won alright. It started off with some Egyptian nationalists kicking up a fuss that, with a little external encouragement from Uncle Joe, set the whole Middle East on fire. We wouldn’t stand for that and went in to sort things out and then things really blew up out of hand.”
“Sound vaguely familiar.”
“Really? How curious. Anyway, that was followed by a bit of a wee disagreement between us and the Yanks, then Reds got ready to kick off, but Stalin went and had a stroke and a heart attack at the same time, poor fellow; the stress must have really got to him. Everyone settled down, but the West was split and everyone wished it had been a bad dream. Sometimes victory comes with costs.”
Sam sipped at his drink and decided that the best thing to do would be to change the subject.
“If I’m to be here until Friday, what will we do during the week? Sit tight here?”
Simon recovered from his momentary reverie and turned around, gesturing expansively and chuckling. “Far from it, my dear fellow! You’ve chosen quite the week to be here in Ashford. Tomorrow being Sunday, there is church and the weekly banquet – yummo!. Monday is a holiday and there’ll be quite a parade for D-Day, followed by hunting on Tuesday, the village fair on Wednesday and a little dinner party we’ve been planning for a while on Thursday. We’ll be doing many things, but sitting tight certainly isn’t one of them!”
The sound of laughing and shouting children started up in the distance and Bailey put down his glass and straightened his tie as it grew closer.
“Ah, sounds like the natives are revolting again. I wonder what it has been this time. Well, old boy, time to head in for dinner.” Bailey started to walk out towards the dining room and Sam moved to follow, but his egress from the room was halted by an outraged voice.
“And why do you think your petty dinner means that you can stop patting me?” The cat looked up at Sam with a look of profound horrified scorn and utter disgust.
“Oh, go off and catch some mice, Sebastian!” Simon called out over his shoulder.
“Why? So you can race them and lose more money to the tomte? Sometimes I wonder if you humans will ever be properly domesticated…” Sebastian grizzled as he pranced across the room, jumped up on the windowsill and began licking his paw in cold, cold fury. ………………………………………………………………………………………………
“Are you sure you don’t want some more Turkish delight?” Victoria asked a horrified Sam just over an hour later as she cradled a softly cooing baby George.
“Yes, do have some! It’s super stuff!” Richard’s boyish treble broke in from across the table, accompanied by the non-verbal agreement of his elder brother, whose attention was somewhat occupied by his second helping of ice-cream, fruit salad and lemon sherbet sauce.
Sam groaned. “Not even if it is wafer thin. That was, without a shadow of a doubt, the largest meal I’ve ever had.”
It had begun sneakily enough, with flavoursome fried whitebait, a rich tomato soup and a particularly toothsome prawn cocktail, but then had simply gone on and on. Through the after dinner haze that lay heavily upon him, he could not properly recall how he had managed the four inch thick rare sirloin steak and superbly salty chips nor their accompanying roasted tomatoes, fried mushrooms and watercress, let alone the juicy slices of the huge roast chicken and the delicious rack of venison with blueberries that followed. Some vague dread of asparagus in hollandaise sauce hung upon his soul like a body snatcher loitering around a cemetery and a few corner crusts of the Welsh rarebit had stood at the edge of his place like the forgotten remnants of a long-lost Persian statue. He had managed only a few spoonfuls of the delightful dessert before throwing in the towel and no manner of temptation with various chocolates, candied nuts, cheeses and jellies could shake him back into the fray.
“I think our young friend could do with a more comfortable chair, my dear.” Bailey rose from the table, extending a solicitous hand to Sam. “Let’s be off to the sitting room. According to the Radio Times, they’re playing Desert Victory followed by Sink the Bismarck.”
“Oh, Father, please can we watch the film? We’ll go straight to bed afterwards and be ever so good, we promise!” Elizabeth acted as the children’s chief advocate with the full support of her clients.
Simon and Victoria looked at each other for an instant and Sam thought he saw an extremely subtle wink exchanged, although it could have merely been a trick of the candlelight or the last vengeance of the pickled beetroot.
“Very well then, as long as its straight to bed without a single complaint. Clear?”
“Yes, Father. Thank you, Father.” chorused the children, synchronised through long years of practice. There followed a scramble as the five children scrambled over each other to be the first to grab their ideal positions in front of the television. Sam, Simon and Victoria got up to follow as Mrs. Beaton and a younger maid who looked to be her daughter hustled into the room and began to clear the remainder of the table.
“I’ll go and put George in his cradle and then be through to join you. He’ll be happy enough and Jenny will look in on him.”
The remainder of the evening passed in a very pleasant manner. Sam had seen both films before back at home, but they seemed very different here, what with the blazing Technicolour wartime picture of the Battle of El Alamein ending with a scene of the fleet on its way to the invasion of Sicily and the climax of the main feature seeing the infamous German battleship finally smashed down by good old HMS Hood and King George V after a spectacular chase through the North Atlantic. The aircraft footage was frighteningly realistic and in his opinion, the special effects would have put modern movies in the shade. As he stretched back in his bed, still packed to the gills and by now drifting off into the warm embrace of sleep, Sam wandered what new surprises the morrow would bring.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jul 24, 2018 12:20:54 GMT
A few notes I put together on the Empire as of 1960/61
The British Empire of Dark Earth has its good and bad characteristics and perceptions of it will depend on what side people are on; the perspective of a Briton would be quite different from an independence-minded man in Southern Nigeria. It is enlightened compared to some from @, but is not all sweetness and light. Paternalistic attitudes are quite strong and akin in some ways to pre-WW2 mindsets.
There is less overt racism and a stronger concentration on ethical policy, internal development, investment and education in order to prepare remaining colonies for independence, but this is driven by self-interest as well as a more abstract sense of duty and the civilising mission. It is in the self-interest of Britain to develop stable, well-ordered societies that are integrated within an Imperial trade system and not likely to fall into Congolese-esque chaos or, heaven forfend, some sort of Soviet orbit. At least that is the public position, or what is said on the wrapper. There will be eventual security guarantees and quiet arrangements for military intervention if anything gets out of line.
Gibraltar: A Crown Colony increasingly integrated with Britain.
Azure Islands/Azores, Bermuda, Bahamas, Ascension, St. Helena, Tristan de Cunha, Falklands: Very close to the historical situation, with some modicum of internal self governance.
West Indies and Cuba: De facto Dominions in talks on merging. Because of their size and relative circumstances, they are not yet quite on the level of the larger and older Dominions.
Malta: In the process of being fully integrated with Britain.
Minorca: Status lies somewhere between Gibraltar and Malta.
Ionian Islands: Self governing protectorate; discussions ongoing with Greece regarding a union
Cyprus: A somewhat restive Crown Colony regarded as strategically vital. There are rumbling troubles suppressed by troops, police and a rather ruthless willingness to exile troublemakers. To another planet.
Galapagos: Populated by only a few hundred hardy souls and used as a combination of a nature preserve, communications relay facility and military research base.
Easter Island: A growing native population and a small military facility that is highly secret. Too far away to attract much concern.
British Pacific Islands: Grouped together as one administrative whole, they remain a long way from independence.
Bensalem: The island of New Caledonia from @discovered by Captain Cook in 1774, it was named after Bacon's utopian paradise of the book 'The New Atlantis'. It was gradually settled by missionaries, traders and fishermen, followed by more organised settlement beginning in the 1820s, followed by formal annexation in the 1830s.Discoveries of large deposits of nickel, gold, adamantine and orichalcum were accompanied by significant tropical fruit plantations. The native Kanak population suffered from various diseases. Migration is largely from England and Lyonesse. 1960 population is 1.9 million, concentrated in one city (Williamstown) and five large towns. It remains separate from Australia for much the same reasons as Fiji and New Zealand.
Hong Kong: A heavily defended Crown Colony that reaches rather farther inland, with all territory ceded in perpetuity in the 19th century. Very valuable as an entrepot to China.
Singapore: Full internal self government combined with Crown Colony status. As the major British and Commonwealth military base in the Far East, it is considered essential and some degree of integration is being considered. This comes up against the wishes for independence of some local groups and parties.
North Borneo, Brunei: Separate Crown Colonies. There are some pressures to amalgamate them with Malaya.
Sarawak: Amalgamated into the Federation of Malaya for administrative purposes, with the White Rajahs remaining in ceremonial power, having ceded sovereignty to the Crown after the Second World War.
Ceylon: Dominion status in 1961/62.
Burma: Administered externally as part of the Indian Empire, with a somewhat nebulous states.
Mauritius and Seychelles: Crown Colonies a long way from independence and anywhere else
British West Africa: An overall grouping under a governor-general in Freetown
Sierra Leone and Guinea: Increasingly governed together, they are considered to be one of the more advanced colonies in the region, having been granted self government in 1958 and scheduled for eventual independence in the mid-late 1960s. Ivory Coast and Gold Coast: Unlike many other colonies in West Africa, both have a significant white minority population. Well advanced on the road to independence, which is pencilled in for 1965. Nigeria: Oil discoveries have made it one of the richest countries in Africa. Ruled as a federation of North, South, East and West Nigeria, it is scheduled for a constitutional convention in 1961/62, internal self-government in 1966/67 and independence at some point after that in the early 1970s; this schedule was put in place in 1957 and is subject to the facts on the ground. Cameroon: Gradually moving towards establishment of a national constitutional convention,. Gambia: General elections due in 1964, followed by internal self government 3-5 years down the line, paving the way for independence in the 1970s. British Equatorial Africa: A very small colony that is considered to be further back on the road of independence due to a lack of resources to support it as a solo entity.
Sudan: Any discussion on Sudanese independence was kicked into the long grass as a result of the War of 1956 and subsequent Anglo-Egyptian relations. Darfur: A protectorate; the fate of Sudan will decide its destiny. British Somaliland: A protectorate; consideration of a union with Italian Somaliland and independence is underway
British East Africa: An overall grouping under a governor-general in Mombasa
Equatoria: Advancing towards self-government; no dates set as of 1960. Kenya: Dominion status expected in 1964/65 Uganda, Azania, Tanganyika: Progressing toward independence and self-government in the 1970s. Zanzibar: Separate protectorate Zimbala: A separate micro colony near Burundi and Rwanda
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Post by lordroel on Jul 24, 2018 13:24:33 GMT
Sam blanched “Sealion actually happened?” “I said they tried. I never said they succeeded. The Battle of the North Sea, they called it in the newsreels. It just so happened that they tried to cross on the very night that the Channel Fleet was heading over to attack the invasion ports and the Grand Fleet was out on a covering sweep in the Dogger Bank. Pure coincidence, naturally. A few years afterwards, I met a German prisoner of war who was pulled out of the water that night. He talked about the sea being on fire, of gas shells exploding over their barges, of the huge waves churned up by the destroyers and cruisers and the battlewagons steaming out of the smoke and mist to simply crush everything before them. He was one of the fortunate ones; there were almost ten thousand who weren’t so lucky. If there is ever a next time, the enemy might not have the tactical genius of Herr Hitler. So we keep a few tanks around. For display purposes.” If you had the Germans succeed in Operation Sealion i would think the Darkearth verse was unrealistic, but you did a good job in explaining what surely would have happen if the operation happened in OTL.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jul 24, 2018 13:48:13 GMT
It gets a little bit better - the Germans were goaded into attempting invasion by an ingenious combination of British intelligence manipulations, illusion and the savage internecine rivalry between different factions of the Nazi leadership and Wehrmacht. The Heer and Kriegsmarine end up paying a nasty price for Goering's failures and hubris, with the loss of many ships and the better part of four divisions going swimming, being set on fire, getting gassed or, often, all three.
Having said that, the size of the German military is still sufficient that defences against another invasion attempt pin down a lot of British strength into 1942.
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Post by stevep on Jul 24, 2018 14:28:04 GMT
Well, finally caught up, other than anything your posted while I've been reading this.
I see being able to speak hasn't made cats any more pleasant/less arrogant.
On the Bismarck encounter were there an equivalent to the Washington Naval Limits in TTL and if so were they at markedly higher levels? Because unless they were pretty much exactly the same I would suspect that the Hood would probably have been retired by 1941 or possibly have gotten the long desired rebuild, which might be why it was at Denmark Straits and won. Otherwise I think the RN would have had probably 3-4 ships at each exit to the Atlantic, each at least as powerful as the Bismarck simply because the RN would be that much larger than anything that Germany could quickly produce after being effectively disarmed after 1918.
Also would have thought with the much longer history of powered flight there would be much more capable air power present for the chase and that would have made a BB much easier to locate and destroy. In fact given how much further technology has advanced in many ways I wonder why Britain still has so many BBs and are building new, nuclear powered ones as this seems like a poor use of resources?
I note from the list of the empire that we kept Minorca and also picked up the Azores among quite a number of other places. Also a larger Hong Kong which we have perpetual rights to. Can see some lasting poor relations with China, especially under an imperial dynasty.
From the mention of the surviving A-H being in the Axis in WWII, the Vienna crisis being the point where appeasement was seen to fail and the return of the emperor post-war would I be right in assuming that the Nazis managed some sort of coup to gain control of A-H, despite the fact the bulk of its population was non-German?
Pity we weren't able to help Poland regain independence, although that was always going to be difficult but at least this time the Poles who had fought for freedom were given proper refuge in Britain.
Notice that there doesn't seem to be any Windrush or similar immigration from the West Indies or for that matter from the Indian sub-continent in TTL.
Talking of Indian is it suffering much religious tension? I notice its still unified, although excluding Ceylon and Burma. [Correction as read your map notes and see I had this wrong. ] However it has even more Muslim territory with parts of OTL Iran.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jul 25, 2018 10:25:51 GMT
Well, finally caught up, other than anything your posted while I've been reading this.
I see being able to speak hasn't made cats any more pleasant/less arrogant. On the Bismarck encounter were there an equivalent to the Washington Naval Limits in TTL and if so were they at markedly higher levels? Because unless they were pretty much exactly the same I would suspect that the Hood would probably have been retired by 1941 or possibly have gotten the long desired rebuild, which might be why it was at Denmark Straits and won. Otherwise I think the RN would have had probably 3-4 ships at each exit to the Atlantic, each at least as powerful as the Bismarck simply because the RN would be that much larger than anything that Germany could quickly produce after being effectively disarmed after 1918. Also would have thought with the much longer history of powered flight there would be much more capable air power present for the chase and that would have made a BB much easier to locate and destroy. In fact given how much further technology has advanced in many ways I wonder why Britain still has so many BBs and are building new, nuclear powered ones as this seems like a poor use of resources? I note from the list of the empire that we kept Minorca and also picked up the Azores among quite a number of other places. Also a larger Hong Kong which we have perpetual rights to. Can see some lasting poor relations with China, especially under an imperial dynasty. From the mention of the surviving A-H being in the Axis in WWII, the Vienna crisis being the point where appeasement was seen to fail and the return of the emperor post-war would I be right in assuming that the Nazis managed some sort of coup to gain control of A-H, despite the fact the bulk of its population was non-German? Pity we weren't able to help Poland regain independence, although that was always going to be difficult but at least this time the Poles who had fought for freedom were given proper refuge in Britain. Notice that there doesn't seem to be any Windrush or similar immigration from the West Indies or for that matter from the Indian sub-continent in TTL.
Talking of Indian is it suffering much religious tension? I notice its still unified, although excluding Ceylon and Burma. [Correction as read your map notes and see I had this wrong. ] However it has even more Muslim territory with parts of OTL Iran.
. 1.) Cats certainly regard their staff in an appropriately distant way, no matter the situation. 2.) There was a naval limitations treaty in the aftermath of the Great War, but it worked from a different basis. Whilst the names of the ships are familiar, the vessels are rather stronger. The modern capital ship began in 1903/04 with HMS Dreadnought, a 25,000t vessel. This rose to 42,000t superdreadnoughts armed with 15" guns in 1914 and to 56,000t-60,000t 18" ships such as the US Standards and British QE/Revenge classes (here, the Revenges are not the usual second rate vessels, but repeat QEs). The WNT capped ships at 80,000t and 20" for the 20s, with strict limitations on new ships for all signatories, but there was no LNT of 1930 to extend the restrictions. Hood is the largest vessel around under the terms of the Treaty, coming in at just over 80,000t and 8 x 20", and receives a reconstruction in the 1930s; her speed and space make her ideal for the purposes of a fleet flagship. 3.) The RN and Commonwealth navies decisively outmatch the KM at the outbreak of war in capital ships, by a margin of 45-16, but are pulled in a variety of directions. The Bismarck break out occurs with the aid of substantial illusion and weather sorcery, but at considerable cost, losing the battlecruiser Von der Tann in the run through the Denmark Strait. The full story will come out in a World War Two piece I've got in the pipeline. Airpower aids the discovery of the Bismarck, but finding a single ship in the North Atlantic in poor weather is difficult. 4.) Regarding battleships in general, they have been the beneficiaries of considerable advances in both firepower and protection. I have got a piece on the Evolution of the Battleship which I'll eventually put up, which tracks global developments in a similar manner to the History of the Tank. A few points in brief: - The Second World War was a rather different one, without the same definitive arguments in favour of carriers over battleships; it also saw the introduction of basic SAMs on Allied battleships operating off Japan. As of 1961, a battleship has not been sunk at sea by airstrikes - damaged, certainly, but not sunk. That has been done by other battleships. - Long range naval guns have had a lot of continued R&D for decades, and have significantly greater range. A very large portion of the world is within range of naval gunfire , which, with the addition of atomic shells and some rather interesting guidance, makes for powerful weapons. - Armour has been the subject of considerable improvement and development with the combination of science and magic making for some very tough metals. - The battleships of the great powers have been or are being converted to carry missiles, including strategic nuclear missiles and SAMs, in addition to their gun armament. - Their size allows them to function effectively as flagships as compared to carriers. - As in @, some environments do not lend themselves towards carrier aircraft at all times until the development of reliable all weather strike aircraft - The role of prestige and operations other than war cannot be underestimated. The battleship is still regarded as the sine qua non of national power. 5.) The Azure Islands have been British for centuries, giving a quite useful outpost in the Atlantic; they are the sole remnants of Atlantis still above the waves. Anglo-Chinese relations are extremely complex and Hong Kong is a continual sticking point. 6.) There was a coup in Austria-Hungary in the lead-up to the war, deposing young Emperor Otto in favour of a puppet monarch strongly in the pocket of the Austrian fascist Kronist Party and their megalomaniac leader Rudolf Eisen. This leads to significant numbers of loyalists decamping to the West and quite a lot of restiveness in Hungary, Bohemia and Slovenia. During the period 1938-1944, Austria-Hungary is a strong ally of Nazi Germany, in contrast to its general policy of 1920-1937, which was to emphasise their distance from their erstwhile Teutonic compatriots. 7.) The situation of the Poles was tragic, with their forces in exile remaining in Britain and the West, along with their gld reserves, the government lead by Marshal Sikorski and infant king; there is a lot of clandestine action in Poland throughout the 1950s. 8.) There wasn't a large scale Windrush-esque moment for either Indians or West Indians, but there still has been some migration to Britain over the 1950s; it is statistically less noticeable due to the larger population. In Dark Earth as of 1960, there wasn't an immediate postwar labour shortage of the same urgency, but there was some migration. The big change comes in the 1950s, when there was a combination of different nationality laws pushed by sections of the Conservative Party and the Nationals and Imperialists (in part motivated by the stronger Red Scare in Britain at the time) and better economic conditions in Britain, India and the West Indies; in the latter case, there is a fair bit more development in the Caribbean. This has resulted in a general reduction in overall migration from some Commonwealth and Empire countries to Britain, so that the 1960 population is more along the lines of ~40,000 Afro-Caribbean and ~20,000 Indian, rather than ~170,000 and ~80,000. These numbers will continue to slowly grow during the 1960s as the 1950s restrictions fade away and the rate of migration picks up. In terms of percentages, it is 0.1% in Dark Earth compared to 0.4% on Earth. 9.) India is an interesting case; full explanation will come in a 1947 article in a short while. There is some religious tension in some areas, but greater general prosperity, education and development has counteracted some tendencies towards religious strife, in addition to strongly centralised institutions such as the Army, Indian Imperial Police and the Imperial Civil Service. The external threats of China and the Soviet Union also act as something of a unifying force.[/div]
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Post by lordroel on Jul 25, 2018 14:35:49 GMT
5.) The Azure Islands have been British for centuries, giving a quite useful outpost in the Atlantic; they are the sole remnants of Atlantis still above the waves. Are there ruins of Atlantis on the Azure Islands.
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Post by stevep on Jul 25, 2018 16:37:09 GMT
Sdarkshade Many thanks for the detailed reply.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jul 25, 2018 21:42:57 GMT
Steve, you're most welcome.
Lordroel, there are scattered ruins, but most have been worn away by time or used for building materials.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jul 26, 2018 11:39:46 GMT
Some notes on the last few chapters:
A few more pieces of the puzzle are revealed in this part.
- I do like to connect my various tales with each other. Simon Bailey is revealed to be the 'author' of the 'History of the Tank'; he also features in one of the 1947 short stories - The reference to a buried battleship bunker is a hat tip to historical US plans to use a ship for those purposes. - Bailey's opinion on the relative popularity of soccer and cricket is very subjective, but reflects his class and the time. - His dislike of 20/20 cricket comes straight from me. The ironic nature of the match being exciting and high scoring is a little way of showing that the game was not sedate or boring of old. - Olthwaite and Yorkshire = a reference to Ripping Yarns. - The bench sequence came from me listening to Down Under by Men at Work while writing this chapter last year. - Longbow practice is a little sign of some strangely anachronistic traditions and habits that throw Sam and the reader. - The small matter of a Britain with ongoing militarisation and conscription for several generations is put out there as another of these. It would certainly make for different social development in a number of significant ways, not the least of which is a more authoritarian society, accentuating some traditions - Apart from the fun of having a question mark substitute for a whole question, the mention of Cuckoo's Nest is an interesting way of highlighting this difference. It also has a bit of an intertextual bit to it; the way McMurphy's actions, crimes and justifications were perceived in the 60s or 1975 could arguably be quite different today by some. - The short capital punishment segue wasn't intended to shove words and arguments into the mouths of either man, but to show that the impact of magic and so forth can be found in unexpected areas. What are the implications of having the equivalent of modern day forensics, a near-parallel to DNA testing and what amounts to a seemingly effective truth serum in an earlier period? It has broader implications than just criminal law. - The Rotodyne is a beneficiary of sound dampening and has developed into quite the niche craft since 1956. The supersonic Harrier likewise has come through some teething problems and now looks to be a major contender for replacing the P.1083 Hunters and F-84F/96 in widespread Western service. The problem is that US companies have deeper pockets. - A highlander with a katana? - More on Nils the Tomte will follow, although no further glogg disputes will boil over. - Bailey's views on antidisestablishmentarianism are shared by a few people. - The intelligent bathtub gets a mention eventually in the Dark Earth timeline. - Enterprise is the first nuclear carrier, followed by Ark Royal; Queen Elizabeth is the first of a few very expensive BBGNs. - The Stockholm Summit is a grand international conference that grows out of the events of The Red Shadow, a full length novel set in 1960 which act as an analogue to the Cuban Missiles Crisis in bringing the world to the edge of all-out war; I start putting it up here when I finish redoing the first few chapters - Project Orion acts as the Dark Earth counterpart to Apollo, so to speak, as this space race is for the outer solar system and the mysteries of the giant planets. - The Arab League's moves are a precursor of something quite big that has been building up since 1945, even if the events of the 1956 War altered their general course for a while. - Home Guard tanks are an example of reacting to past events. - Another elephant enters the room quite obliquely: A failed attempt at Sealion! The OTL rumours of a secret weapon setting the sea alight and leading to the deaths of thousands of Germans turn out to have a basis in fact here. The precise details will come when I do World War 2, but it stems from a combination of interservice rivalry, Hitlerian hubris and a British intelligence trap; in the long run, the benefit of enticing the Germans to attempt an invasion and give them a bloody nose is slightly outweighed by the costs... - Desert Victory is a quite different picture, emphasising the British role a lot more. Sam's musings on the wartime propaganda films are an interesting way to highlight the different power dynamic of the Second World War compared to @. There isn't the same hagiography of the Soviets and the widespread admiration for the Red Army as could be seen in Britain historically and France continuing to fight from North Africa alters some other inter-Allied relationships and perceptions. The emphasis on the contributions of the different parts of the British Empire and their value is quite deliberate, as the wartime British government could quite clearly see the consequences of the United States and Soviet Union growing in strength. - There is something about the place and the air that is heightening Sam's senses, in addition to the slightly larger planet having some consequences on gravity and strength; the rules are a bit different, though. - Bismarck's sinking occurs in a slightly different yet still recognisable fashion, breaking out through the Denmark Strait after an inconclusive battle with a British squadron, engaging in a convoy battle, almost bumping into the USN and finally being hit by two last gasp carrier strikes. It then breaks for home and almost makes it before Ark Royal's torpedo bombers knock out the rudder, allowing the final battle. Hood and KGV were the first one on scene, followed by POW, Lion and Temeraire. This was one of their last operations before heading out east in mid to late 1941. There wasn't an opportunity to scuttle, as the RN battleships put her in a slowly sinking condition before the cruisers and destroyers moved in to finish her off with 12 torpedoes and pick up survivors.
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Post by stevep on Jul 26, 2018 15:09:53 GMT
Some notes on the last few chapters: A few more pieces of the puzzle are revealed in this part. - I do like to connect my various tales with each other. Simon Bailey is revealed to be the 'author' of the 'History of the Tank'; he also features in one of the 1947 short stories - The reference to a buried battleship bunker is a hat tip to historical US plans to use a ship for those purposes. - Bailey's opinion on the relative popularity of soccer and cricket is very subjective, but reflects his class and the time. - His dislike of 20/20 cricket comes straight from me. The ironic nature of the match being exciting and high scoring is a little way of showing that the game was not sedate or boring of old. - Olthwaite and Yorkshire = a reference to Ripping Yarns. - The bench sequence came from me listening to Down Under by Men at Work while writing this chapter last year. - Longbow practice is a little sign of some strangely anachronistic traditions and habits that throw Sam and the reader. - The small matter of a Britain with ongoing militarisation and conscription for several generations is put out there as another of these. It would certainly make for different social development in a number of significant ways, not the least of which is a more authoritarian society, accentuating some traditions - Apart from the fun of having a question mark substitute for a whole question, the mention of Cuckoo's Nest is an interesting way of highlighting this difference. It also has a bit of an intertextual bit to it; the way McMurphy's actions, crimes and justifications were perceived in the 60s or 1975 could arguably be quite different today by some. - The short capital punishment segue wasn't intended to shove words and arguments into the mouths of either man, but to show that the impact of magic and so forth can be found in unexpected areas. What are the implications of having the equivalent of modern day forensics, a near-parallel to DNA testing and what amounts to a seemingly effective truth serum in an earlier period? It has broader implications than just criminal law. - The Rotodyne is a beneficiary of sound dampening and has developed into quite the niche craft since 1956. The supersonic Harrier likewise has come through some teething problems and now looks to be a major contender for replacing the P.1083 Hunters and F-84F/96 in widespread Western service. The problem is that US companies have deeper pockets. - A highlander with a katana? - More on Nils the Tomte will follow, although no further glogg disputes will boil over. - Bailey's views on antidisestablishmentarianism are shared by a few people. - The intelligent bathtub gets a mention eventually in the Dark Earth timeline. - Enterprise is the first nuclear carrier, followed by Ark Royal; Queen Elizabeth is the first of a few very expensive BBGNs. - The Stockholm Summit is a grand international conference that grows out of the events of The Red Shadow, a full length novel set in 1960 which act as an analogue to the Cuban Missiles Crisis in bringing the world to the edge of all-out war; I start putting it up here when I finish redoing the first few chapters - Project Orion acts as the Dark Earth counterpart to Apollo, so to speak, as this space race is for the outer solar system and the mysteries of the giant planets. - The Arab League's moves are a precursor of something quite big that has been building up since 1945, even if the events of the 1956 War altered their general course for a while. - Home Guard tanks are an example of reacting to past events. - Another elephant enters the room quite obliquely: A failed attempt at Sealion! The OTL rumours of a secret weapon setting the sea alight and leading to the deaths of thousands of Germans turn out to have a basis in fact here. The precise details will come when I do World War 2, but it stems from a combination of interservice rivalry, Hitlerian hubris and a British intelligence trap; in the long run, the benefit of enticing the Germans to attempt an invasion and give them a bloody nose is slightly outweighed by the costs... - Desert Victory is a quite different picture, emphasising the British role a lot more. Sam's musings on the wartime propaganda films are an interesting way to highlight the different power dynamic of the Second World War compared to @. There isn't the same hagiography of the Soviets and the widespread admiration for the Red Army as could be seen in Britain historically and France continuing to fight from North Africa alters some other inter-Allied relationships and perceptions. The emphasis on the contributions of the different parts of the British Empire and their value is quite deliberate, as the wartime British government could quite clearly see the consequences of the United States and Soviet Union growing in strength. - There is something about the place and the air that is heightening Sam's senses, in addition to the slightly larger planet having some consequences on gravity and strength; the rules are a bit different, though. - Bismarck's sinking occurs in a slightly different yet still recognisable fashion, breaking out through the Denmark Strait after an inconclusive battle with a British squadron, engaging in a convoy battle, almost bumping into the USN and finally being hit by two last gasp carrier strikes. It then breaks for home and almost makes it before Ark Royal's torpedo bombers knock out the rudder, allowing the final battle. Hood and KGV were the first one on scene, followed by POW, Lion and Temeraire. This was one of their last operations before heading out east in mid to late 1941. There wasn't an opportunity to scuttle, as the RN battleships put her in a slowly sinking condition before the cruisers and destroyers moved in to finish her off with 12 torpedoes and pick up survivors.
sdarkshade
Damned I was thinking of asking about this when you mentioned it before. Is the US project Orion similar in nature to the OTL with 'controlled' nuclear explosions being used as the main propulsion system! If so I hope its not used from Earth orbit. Also given the broader spread of life in this Solar system and the continued presence of the Space Nazis and probably other pirate groups I would also expect any such mission to be well armed.
Sounds like there will be a substantial increase in Pan-Arabic feeling across much of the ME, which could cause problems for British political dominance in the region and also the dominion of Israel.
Given the date, only ~15 years after the end of the war and the significantly better position Britain is in I would expect films about wartime events would be more patriotic, as many I've seen from the 50's have tended to be.
Steve
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