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Post by lukedalton on Jul 15, 2018 16:19:03 GMT
An ASB decide to spice things up by giving at Vittorio Emanuele Orlando, presidente del consiglio of the Kingdom of Italy, a week before he go to Paris for the Versailles Peace Conference a Kindle-like device within it he will find (obviusly translated in Italian if necessary) all wikipedia articles
The charge of the device will last for 7 days, after that no more and in any case all the data will be erasead automatically. Now the italian delegation have a little 'unfair' advantage over all the other, so what will happen?
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Post by lordroel on Jul 15, 2018 16:23:34 GMT
An ASB decide to spice things up by giving at Vittorio Emanuele Orlando, presidente del consiglio of the Kingdom of Italy, a week before he go to Paris for the Versailles Peace Conference a Kindle-like device within it he will find (obviusly translated in Italian if necessary) all wikipedia articles The charge of the device will last for 7 days, after that no more and in any case all the data will be erasead automatically. Now the italian delegation have a little 'unfair' advantage over all the other, so what will happen? So many wikipedia articles, where to start. |
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Post by lukedalton on Jul 15, 2018 16:28:55 GMT
An ASB decide to spice things up by giving at Vittorio Emanuele Orlando, presidente del consiglio of the Kingdom of Italy, a week before he go to Paris for the Versailles Peace Conference a Kindle-like device within it he will find (obviusly translated in Italian if necessary) all wikipedia articles The charge of the device will last for 7 days, after that no more and in any case all the data will be erasead automatically. Now the italian delegation have a little 'unfair' advantage over all the other, so what will happen? So many wikipedia articles, where to start. from that naturally, followed i think by the article about him |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 15, 2018 16:30:26 GMT
Would the Italian delegation tell their British,French and American counterparts about this device. |
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Post by lukedalton on Jul 15, 2018 16:34:57 GMT
Would the Italian delegation tell their British,French and American counterparts about this device. Personally i doubt it as the advantage it's too great and frankly after having read how his career ended and how Italy was treated, he will think that the rest of the Entente and Wilson in particulary can rot in hell |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 15, 2018 16:37:00 GMT
Would the Italian delegation tell their British,French and American counterparts about this device. Personally i doubt it as the advantage it's too great and frankly after having read how his career ended and how Italy was treated, he will think that the rest of the Entente and Wilson in particulary can rot in hell Wonder if he will go after a Benito Mussolini, thus keep Italy a democracy which might remain on the British-French side. |
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Post by lukedalton on Jul 15, 2018 16:50:44 GMT
Personally i doubt it as the advantage it's too great and frankly after having read how his career ended and how Italy was treated, he will think that the rest of the Entente and Wilson in particulary can rot in hell Wonder if he will go after a Benito Mussolini, thus keep Italy a democracy which might remain on the British-French side. Maybe or maybe not, he can still think that Benny can be used against the socialist and he was a great supporter of Mussolini at the beginning, only protesting after he take effective dictatorial powers and even after that he was more or less on good terms with the regime; but he will advise the King to use the military in case of attempted takeover by the fascist. |
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Post by steffen on Jul 15, 2018 18:18:50 GMT
An ASB decide to spice things up by giving at Vittorio Emanuele Orlando, presidente del consiglio of the Kingdom of Italy, a week before he go to Paris for the Versailles Peace Conference a Kindle-like device within it he will find (obviusly translated in Italian if necessary) all wikipedia articles The charge of the device will last for 7 days, after that no more and in any case all the data will be erasead automatically. Now the italian delegation have a little 'unfair' advantage over all the other, so what will happen? hmpf, personally i would do this: Think hard about the mistreatment of italy, inform people how the nuclear bomb work, how jet engines work, how radar work or computing /and the transistor (you have access about that? - or did i misunderstood that device?) Also about Oil in saudi arabia, the african desert. Then i would ask some special forces to kill Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini - because if you remove them you remove the biggest danger to the world. After that do not attack the countries italy striked otl but drill for oil in the african desert. Try to destabilize the british empire (to get them loose control about the arabian oil, maybe also talk to venezuelan politicans - they too have LARGE reserves). Then start fixing problems in the country, attract scientists from germany and Austria-Hungaria (like some Edward Teller - as soon as possible) and start building top-secretly the nuclear bomb, high efficent jet engines and planes that could carry large bombs. That should mean 15-20 years time of development... in the same time build a railway in the african desert (just to be safe in case the british try something) and improve relationship with the arabians... basically be the best buddy of them. Then, around 1940 you have a healthy economy, not wasted money for useless battleships, have top modern radar (propably in 1940 you are at the level of 1960-radar technology), have a working nuclear bomb and jet fighter/bombers... with transistors you have computers (help you to aim, shoot and kill hostile planes) VOila, italy is nr.2 in the world as a big power. You dominate your neighbours without shooting, killing or supressing people. Because you also learned about the economic problems modern italy had you remove the mafia and in the same time develop the country. In the meantime you get incredible rich, because with the african oil, with the connections to venezuela - again oil and hopefully with some smart moves with the new independent states in the arabian peninsula you control 80-90% of the oil reserves. With the nukes you are untouchable (for hostile nations, propably france, uk, russia, USA), with computers you have an edge against all others, too. Happy times for italy. Did i mention that you push the education of every single italian citizen? No, okay, that is something you do, too. You could attract - in case the nazis still get control - all the jews, social democrats and others from germany, so you let in a lot smart people... a win for your country. In 1960 you have the highest BIP, full work for everyone and all other nations just look with a mixture of awe and respect. |
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Post by stevep on Jul 15, 2018 20:18:34 GMT
An ASB decide to spice things up by giving at Vittorio Emanuele Orlando, presidente del consiglio of the Kingdom of Italy, a week before he go to Paris for the Versailles Peace Conference a Kindle-like device within it he will find (obviusly translated in Italian if necessary) all wikipedia articles The charge of the device will last for 7 days, after that no more and in any case all the data will be erasead automatically. Now the italian delegation have a little 'unfair' advantage over all the other, so what will happen?
Interesting idea. Possibly with the knowledge of what happened OTL he might avoid the clashes with his more conservative foreign minister Sinnino, who had the advantage of speaking English and they could present a united front which would probably help. If that meant Orlando's proposal of giving up claims on the Dalmatian coast in return for getting the Fiume region that might help stablish Italy post-war. Also they might be able to get some other concessions elsewhere, say more land in Africa and possibly deciding on accepting a mandate in Anatolia where they occupied lands for a while but eventually gave them up.
Post war Orlando is more likely to support opposition to Mussolini and if the latter attempts his coup and Orlando still has influence hopefully the army will step in and suppress the fascists. Although what butterflies might come from this I don't know. You might set Italy on a drastically different route or just delay a right wing coup which occurs a bit later with a different leader. However with no fascism in Italy or it coming later there is less of an example for the Nazis and other movements around the world. If you get a continually stable democratic Italy and better relations with France especially as an result then you could see Hitler seriously opposed at a much earlier stage, say the annexation of Austria or even the occupation of the Rhineland, Which is likely to avoid OTL WWII but may again just delay some right wing state in Germany coming to power or you could end up with the more moderate German aims being met by other means.
Not sure how much in terms of technological ideas Orlando can learn in 7 days, even if he shares the device with his colleagues as he will have a hell of a lot to study and other things are more likely to attract his attention, such as personal history for himself and his rivals, political developments and the like. He could well read up a lot on Italian 'future' history and find out about things like the oil in Libya but whether he will understand enough to know what technological advances would be needed to exploit this I don't know. Similarly with other factors. Plus knowing something will work without any proof doesn't mean he will be able to push the development of the necessary resources, especially if he ends up out of power most of the next couple of decades. However he should manage to pick up some details about who to support or oppose and some ideas to push for development
Does he know that the device will only last for 7 days? If not he may rely on it for holding information rather than seeking to copy - which in itself would be difficult - relevant stuff to paper sources. Also he might rely on showing details to people in the more distant future only to suddenly find he no longer has his 'proof'.
Possibly his best bet, since its before the delegation goes to Paris, might be to win over the king by showing his the Kinder and some of the info on it. That might resulting in lasting mutual trust between the two which could be very useful. Or it could backfire badly.
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Post by lukedalton on Jul 16, 2018 19:00:35 GMT
An ASB decide to spice things up by giving at Vittorio Emanuele Orlando, presidente del consiglio of the Kingdom of Italy, a week before he go to Paris for the Versailles Peace Conference a Kindle-like device within it he will find (obviusly translated in Italian if necessary) all wikipedia articles The charge of the device will last for 7 days, after that no more and in any case all the data will be erasead automatically. Now the italian delegation have a little 'unfair' advantage over all the other, so what will happen?
Interesting idea. Possibly with the knowledge of what happened OTL he might avoid the clashes with his more conservative foreign minister Sinnino, who had the advantage of speaking English and they could present a united front which would probably help. If that meant Orlando's proposal of giving up claims on the Dalmatian coast in return for getting the Fiume region that might help stablish Italy post-war. Also they might be able to get some other concessions elsewhere, say more land in Africa and possibly deciding on accepting a mandate in Anatolia where they occupied lands for a while but eventually gave them up.
Post war Orlando is more likely to support opposition to Mussolini and if the latter attempts his coup and Orlando still has influence hopefully the army will step in and suppress the fascists. Although what butterflies might come from this I don't know. You might set Italy on a drastically different route or just delay a right wing coup which occurs a bit later with a different leader. However with no fascism in Italy or it coming later there is less of an example for the Nazis and other movements around the world. If you get a continually stable democratic Italy and better relations with France especially as an result then you could see Hitler seriously opposed at a much earlier stage, say the annexation of Austria or even the occupation of the Rhineland, Which is likely to avoid OTL WWII but may again just delay some right wing state in Germany coming to power or you could end up with the more moderate German aims being met by other means.
Not sure how much in terms of technological ideas Orlando can learn in 7 days, even if he shares the device with his colleagues as he will have a hell of a lot to study and other things are more likely to attract his attention, such as personal history for himself and his rivals, political developments and the like. He could well read up a lot on Italian 'future' history and find out about things like the oil in Libya but whether he will understand enough to know what technological advances would be needed to exploit this I don't know. Similarly with other factors. Plus knowing something will work without any proof doesn't mean he will be able to push the development of the necessary resources, especially if he ends up out of power most of the next couple of decades. However he should manage to pick up some details about who to support or oppose and some ideas to push for development
Does he know that the device will only last for 7 days? If not he may rely on it for holding information rather than seeking to copy - which in itself would be difficult - relevant stuff to paper sources. Also he might rely on showing details to people in the more distant future only to suddenly find he no longer has his 'proof'.
Possibly his best bet, since its before the delegation goes to Paris, might be to win over the king by showing his the Kinder and some of the info on it. That might resulting in lasting mutual trust between the two which could be very useful. Or it could backfire badly.
Well, in the name of fairness the device come with the instructions that include how much the charge will last; so there is a limit at what Orlando can do and it's very probable that he will concentrate on how the Conference developed and how to smooth the social situation in Italy due to the Biennio Rosso. The problem it's to be on two place at the same time, as while in OTL he concentrated on the Conference the internal situation in Italy deteriorated and he was also the Minister for the interior of the Kingdom; maybe he get someone like Giolitti in the team as new minister of the interior while he focus at Versailles and Sonnino need to go, it will not be pretty from a political fight pow but it will be necessary. One thing he will not do it's go away in a grand gesture that really backfired |
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