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Post by bytor on Jul 14, 2018 19:51:29 GMT
Augustin de Iturbide is not such a pompous fellow and is fine staying a commanding general of Imperial Mexico's armed forces. the Constituent Assembly chooses Infante Francisco de Paula of Spain. Interested in artistic pursuits, Francisco was an amateur singer and painter and seen as being easily controlled by the Assembly die to his lack of interest in politics.
The young Empire's first challenge is when it claims all of the former territories of Viceroyalty of New Spain, though this was made much easier by the French invasion of Spain in 1823 to upend the Liberal Triennium and restore Ferdinand VII. The Cadiz Cortes and even Ferdiand afterwards had little resources to actually. The next challenge is when Anglo settlers in Tejas, annoyed by the abolition of legal slavery in 1829, try to seek their independence. Senior General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna is appointed by Emperor Francisco via Prime Minister José Justo Corro to take control of the territory which he does by roundly defeating the rebels at the battles of Gonzales, Alamo, and Velasco where Stephen Austin and Samuel Houston are captured. Austin dies in prison in Veracruz and Houston is eventually hanged for treason.
The Mexican-American War in 1898 is eventually fought as the Empire struggles for economic dominance withe the United States in which it loses Cuba, Dominican Republic, and Puerto Rico, but retains Trinidad and Tobago, Santo Domingo and Guadeloupe. Historians speculate that if the Empire had not been also embroiled in competition with the Dutch for Indonesia while attempting to expand the Mexican Philippines they might have been able to produce a much more satisfactory conclusion to the war with the USA.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 14, 2018 19:53:18 GMT
Augustin de Iturbide is not such a pompous fellow and is fine staying a commanding general of Imperial Mexico's armed forces. the Constituent Assembly chooses Infante Francisco de Paula of Spain. Interested in artistic pursuits, Francisco was an amateur singer and painter and seen as being easily controlled by the Assembly die to his lack of interest in politics. The young Empire's first challenge is when it claims all of the former territories of Viceroyalty of New Spain, though this was made much easier by the French invasion of Spain in 1893 to upend the Liberal Triennium and restore Ferdinand VII. The Cadiz Cortes and even Ferdiand afterwards had little resources to actually. The next challenge is when Anglo settlers in Tejas, annoyed by the abolition of legal slavery in 1829, try to seek their independence. Senior General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna is appointed by Emperor Francisco via Prime Minister José Justo Corro to take control of the territory which he does by roundly defeating the rebels at the battles of Gonzales, Alamo, and Velasco where Stephen Austin and Samuel Houston are captured. Austin dies in prison in Veracruz and Houston is eventually hanged for treason. The Mexican-American War in 1898 is eventually fought as the Empire struggles for economic dominance withe the United States in which it loses Cuba, Dominican Republic, and Puerto Rico, but retains Trinidad and Tobago, Santo Domingo and Guadeloupe. Historians speculate that if the Empire had not been also embroiled in competition with the Dutch for Indonesia while attempting to expand the Mexican Philippines they might have been able to produce a much more satisfactory conclusion to the war with the USA. Did you forget the Mexican-American War of 1846 to 1848 of OTL ore did this never happened here. |
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Post by bytor on Jul 16, 2018 19:05:54 GMT
Did you forget the Mexican-American War of 1846 to 1848 of OTL ore did this never happened here. It never happened because Tejas never gained independence. |
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Post by James G on Jul 16, 2018 19:08:49 GMT
Well that is a world which has changed a lot!
Mexico's empire in Asia sounds impressive. I'd guess at one point they'd run into conflict with expansionist Japan too?
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Post by lordroel on Jul 16, 2018 19:09:05 GMT
Did you forget the Mexican-American War of 1846 to 1848 of OTL ore did this never happened here. It never happened because Tejas never gained independence. A okay, so a stable Empire of Mexico that maybe can rival ore surpass the United states, so what will the Texans do, will they revolt still. |
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Post by stevep on Jul 16, 2018 20:59:13 GMT
It never happened because Tejas never gained independence. A okay, so a stable Empire of Mexico that maybe can rival ore surpass the United states, so what will the Texans do, will they revolt still.
They did and failed. The emperor sent Santa Anna with an army and he won.
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Post by spanishspy on Jul 17, 2018 20:00:36 GMT
A Mexican Philippines is something that I never considered but makes perfect sense. If the Mexican Empire can keep the Manila Galleons going, or even increasing their number, and avoid pissing off the Church in the Philippines (which was a dominant force until the American period), they easily could do it if the Mexicans have a good enough navy.
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Post by James G on Jul 17, 2018 20:02:56 GMT
Does Mexico have Guam and the Marinas too?
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Post by lordroel on Jul 18, 2018 15:13:21 GMT
Does Mexico have Guam and the Marinas too? Would they add something to the Mexican Empire ore be a burden. |
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Post by stevep on Jul 18, 2018 17:11:39 GMT
Does Mexico have Guam and the Marinas too? Would they add something to the Mexican Empire ore be a burden.
I doubt they would add much economically, although they are useful stepping stones to the Philippines and the China trade. Suspect at this time the Philippines wouldn't be a net source of revenue as I think the Spanish used it as an anchor to their trade with China.
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Post by spanishspy on Jul 18, 2018 19:31:07 GMT
Would they add something to the Mexican Empire ore be a burden.
I doubt they would add much economically, although they are useful stepping stones to the Philippines and the China trade. Suspect at this time the Philippines wouldn't be a net source of revenue as I think the Spanish used it as an anchor to their trade with China.
That's why a Mexican Empire would want them - supply stations for ships headed to East Asia. It would help them against the Spanish and against other European powers. |
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Post by jasonsnow on Jul 18, 2018 23:34:49 GMT
Does Mexico have Guam and the Marinas too? Spain is falling apart. Perhaps Mexico can become powerful enough to acquire these territories, but perhaps another power will beat Mexico to it. Britain or even Japan could use these territories. |
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Post by jasonsnow on Jul 18, 2018 23:40:16 GMT
I doubt they would add much economically, although they are useful stepping stones to the Philippines and the China trade. Suspect at this time the Philippines wouldn't be a net source of revenue as I think the Spanish used it as an anchor to their trade with China.
That's why a Mexican Empire would want them - supply stations for ships headed to East Asia. It would help them against the Spanish and against other European powers. Not to mention they can harbor military bases that would make Mexico essentially immune to an invasion via the Pacific. That's the reason the US acquired Hawaii in the first place, for example. It could also mean Mexico keeps Clipperton Islands, since France could never realistically defend the territory with Mexico holding the Pacific. When it comes to global affairs in the 19th century, it's like Monopoly: you claim everything. |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 19, 2018 3:18:58 GMT
Does Mexico have Guam and the Marinas too? Spain is falling apart. Perhaps Mexico can become powerful enough to acquire these territories, but perhaps another power will beat Mexico to it. Britain or even Japan could use these territories. How would Britain or even Japan get these territories. |
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Post by stevep on Jul 19, 2018 15:42:32 GMT
Spain is falling apart. Perhaps Mexico can become powerful enough to acquire these territories, but perhaps another power will beat Mexico to it. Britain or even Japan could use these territories. How would Britain or even Japan get these territories.
I can't see Japan as baring drastic changes its going to be largely isolated and insular until at least the 1870's. Britain might make some sort of deal with Spain, buying the two locations [Guam and the Marinas] but not sure how interested they would be in all of them. More likely possibly with a more restricted US and possibly more competition in the Pacific due to a Mexican presence reaching to the Philippines I could see the Hawaiian/Sandwich Is becoming a British protectorate.
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