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Post by jasonsnow on Apr 12, 2018 16:52:39 GMT
There is proof of homosexuality in Ancient Egypt and Greece, as well as several ancient rulers who engaged in this. However, these weren't Christian societies, and the religious authorities didn't really minded that much.
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Post by stevep on Apr 12, 2018 22:08:57 GMT
There is proof of homosexuality in Ancient Egypt and Greece, as well as several ancient rulers who engaged in this. However, these weren't Christian societies, and the religious authorities didn't really minded that much. Some of the other early societies did seem to have problems with homosexual actions but it does seem to have really been a problem with the Abrahamic religions.
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Post by waitingcynicism on Apr 12, 2018 22:44:16 GMT
There is proof of homosexuality in Ancient Egypt and Greece, as well as several ancient rulers who engaged in this. However, these weren't Christian societies, and the religious authorities didn't really minded that much. Some of the other early societies did seem to have problems with homosexual actions but it does seem to have really been a problem with the Abrahamic religions. I thought that it was only if you were the passive one that it was a problem.
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Post by stevep on Apr 12, 2018 23:51:42 GMT
Some of the other early societies did seem to have problems with homosexual actions but it does seem to have really been a problem with the Abrahamic religions. I thought that it was only if you were the passive one that it was a problem. Don't know but probably at least as much if you were the one without money/rank/power.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 2:57:15 GMT
From what I remember, a LOT of pre-Christian societies in Europe did tolerate homosexuality to a degree - with the Greeks and Romans, if you were homosexual - you gave that up as you became an adult and "marry and contribute to society". Older homosexual men who didn't marry would have sex with younger males and it was seen (for the younger male) as something of a right of passage. So yeah.
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Post by jasonsnow on Apr 13, 2018 18:35:47 GMT
From what I remember, a LOT of pre-Christian societies in Europe did tolerate homosexuality to a degree - with the Greeks and Romans, if you were homosexual - you gave that up as you became an adult and "marry and contribute to society". Older homosexual men who didn't marry would have relationswith younger males and it was seen (for the younger male) as something of a right of passage. So yeah. Now if you go and do that you get a warrant of arrest instead... These are times of change.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2018 19:16:24 GMT
From what I remember, a LOT of pre-Christian societies in Europe did tolerate homosexuality to a degree - with the Greeks and Romans, if you were homosexual - you gave that up as you became an adult and "marry and contribute to society". Older homosexual men who didn't marry would have relationswith younger males and it was seen (for the younger male) as something of a right of passage. So yeah. Now if you go and do that you get a warrant of arrest instead... These are times of change. The same was also true in Japan all through the various eras. There are quite a few stories of gay samurai or lesbian women. There's quite a few Edo-era woodblock prints depicting explicit same-sex activities.
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Post by waitingcynicism on Apr 26, 2018 22:35:41 GMT
Alright, I was playing a game of Microscope (worldbuilding RPG) online with another person, and this is what we came up with. Any thoughts?
What are your thoughts about this general timeline leading up to the Second Crusade (or the first one against the Muslims).
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Post by insect on Jun 14, 2018 1:04:22 GMT
I dont think thats possibe in that time of history.
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Post by perkeo on Oct 3, 2018 14:38:59 GMT
I think it depends on what you mean with "friendly". I think that the claim that the Bible clearly forbids homosexuality is ill founded, but I cannot really imagine any Christian fundamentalist society that is supportive of homosexuality. However, I do see the possibility for a medieval society that regards homosexuality as a minor offense. One of the most important reasons why celibacy was intoduced was the avoidance of legitimate heirs to priests. In this context it makes sense to prefer priests and nuns making out with each other rather than with the opposite sex.
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Post by ashimbabbar on Oct 12, 2019 13:32:09 GMT
Actually there was some relatively open gayness in the early Middle Ages. IIRC it was all the rage in the Church in the 9th or 10th century with a bishop called John nicknamed Flora and in the next century when the Church decied it was not ok it was all the rage amid the knights ( "when we tell them it's a deadly s they just scoff at us," one aggrieved cleric complained ).
Then again at about the same time in Spain the penalty for gays - in civil judgments, the Church had nothing to do with it - was to be castrated and hanged by their feet until they bled to death. The Inquisition taking over such 'crimes' was actually a boon for gays there.
So, I don't think a LGBT-friendly Middle Ages would be impossible to imagine. Maybe you could coordinate it with not abolishing marriage for priests ?
( On a little-related note, it's generally believed the martyrs St Sergius and St Bacchus WERE an item )
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