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Post by lordroel on Mar 22, 2018 16:21:06 GMT
Well i do not know if that will make a difference. Pre-Gettysburg, Any invasion of Virginia was very costly to Union Forces and with enough casualties, there will be peace riots in the north. But how many losses can the Confederacy under the command of Patrick Cleburne bare. |
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Post by genyodectes on Mar 22, 2018 16:27:43 GMT
Pre-Gettysburg, Any invasion of Virginia was very costly to Union Forces and with enough casualties, there will be peace riots in the north. But how many losses can the Confederacy under the command of Patrick Cleburne bare. Against someone like Grant, he would take moderate losses, not too much to hurt him but enough to give him pause. Lee was an manpower expensive general, Cleburne wasn't. |
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Post by lordroel on Mar 22, 2018 16:28:58 GMT
But how many losses can the Confederacy under the command of Patrick Cleburne bare. Against someone like Grant, he would take moderate losses, not too much to hurt him but enough to give him pause. Lee was an manpower expensive general, Cleburne wasn't. Grant is not somebody who is going to go easy one a general like Cleburne. |
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Post by genyodectes on Mar 22, 2018 16:30:10 GMT
Against someone like Grant, he would take moderate losses, not too much to hurt him but enough to give him pause. Lee was an manpower expensive general, Cleburne wasn't. Grant is not somebody who is going to go easy one a general like Cleburne. Cleburne was challenged by people like Buell and was under the command of Bragg, Easy isn't what you would call that. |
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Post by doug181 on Mar 25, 2018 15:28:02 GMT
You can not make every battle like Fredericksburg. There's not tremendous manouever room above Rich
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Post by lordroel on Mar 30, 2018 19:41:05 GMT
Have your read this, its not about Patrick Cleburne becoming commander of the army of northern Virginia but it is about Patrick Cleburne had been promoted instead of Hood?
One of the thing said in the comment section is: No way that Davis would have catapulted Cleburne from division command all the way to army command, skipping the level of corps commander. And Davis was right not to do so. Cleburne needed to prove himself at the corps level first, THEN move up to army command. The problem is that he was not given the opportunity to prove himself at corps level. This was probably because he was not a West-Point-trained professional. Davis’s preference for professionals was generally a good thing, but he should have made an exception in this case.
For the Confederacy, the ideal course of command developments during the Atlanta campaign would have had Cleburne taking over a corps early in 1864, then taking over command of the Army of Tennessee after Johnston retreated across the Etowah River after failing to fight at Cassville. Then Cleburne would have had the mountainous belt between the Etowah and the Chattahoochee in which to make his defense. And then maybe–just maybe–Cleburne could have foiled Sherman in the mountains the way he did at Tunnel Hill. |
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