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Post by lordroel on Jun 7, 2018 2:48:43 GMT
Those are the new name for the two new Canadian versions of the Berlin-class replenishment ship, seems that the original names Queenston and Chateauguay, for battles from the War of 1812 could upset Canadian reletions with the United States so they where re-named Protecteur and Preserver. |
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Post by redrobin65 on Jun 7, 2018 3:33:35 GMT
Those are the new name for the two new Canadian versions of the Berlin-class replenishment ship, seems that the original names Queenston and Chateauguay, for battles from the War of 1812 could upset Canadian reletions with the United States so they where re-named Protecteur and Preserver. Wow...I actually forgot about those. They're still on the table, but the converted civilian ships will have priority since it would be easier than starting new ones. Plus, the RCN has had a good experience with Asterix so far, so that was seen as a safe option. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 7, 2018 3:35:22 GMT
Those are the new name for the two new Canadian versions of the Berlin-class replenishment ship, seems that the original names Queenston and Chateauguay, for battles from the War of 1812 could upset Canadian reletions with the United States so they where re-named Protecteur and Preserver. Wow...I actually forgot about those. They're still on the table, but the converted civilian ships will have priority since it would be easier than starting new ones. Plus, the RCN has had a good experience with Asterix so far, so that was seen as a safe option. Well i think you might be right, but it will still take a year ore two before those converted civilian ships will be completed, even if they work 24/7 on them. |
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Post by redrobin65 on Jun 7, 2018 3:38:23 GMT
April 8th, German Schleswig-Holstein
The German Hoheres Kommando XXXI (HK31 for short) was preparing to invade Denmark. It consisted of the 170th and 198th Infantry Divisions with the 11th Schutzen Brigade attached. Elements of the 198th Division would conduct air and naval landings, but most of HK31 was land based. So far, their plans had gone unmolested, aiming to attack on the 9th.
That was about to change.
433 Tactical Fighter Squadron, RCAF, had come a very long way from CFB Bagotville in Quebec. They had arrived at Kenley in the UK on March 19th. Right now, the fifteen CF-18 Hornets of 433 TFS, along with twelve from 439 TFS, were about to attack German positions in Schleswig-Holstein.
Eight Hornets fired sixteen AGM-65G Maverick missiles at five Luftwaffe airfields. Thanks to satellite data, the Canadians knew exactly where to send their planes. The German airfields were packed with aircraft preparing for the next day’s operations, a move that would prove disastrous. People living in the German countryside heard the roar of jets and saw some of the impacts. Missiles slammed into runways, creating huge craters and sending shrapnel everywhere that tore into aircraft made from wood and canvas. Each airfield also received one 2000lb JDAM. AA guns fired blindly and hit nothing but an unlucky sparrow.
More bombs were dropped on German troop positions near the Danish border. Though this caused chaos and killed many members of HK31, Hornets weren’t A-10s. Some armoured vehicles were knocked out, but not whole swathes of them. However, a CF-18 from 439 THS piloted by Lieutenant Emily Carlson dropped a pair of unguided Mk. 82 500 lb bombs on the 170th Infantry Division headquarters, killing its commander Generalleutnant Walter Wittke and all but one of his staff.
The air raid had severely damaged five airfields, destroyed 174 aircraft, and killed 2,109 members of the Luftwaffe and Wehrmacht. Moreover, it delayed the invasion of Denmark, giving the Danes more time to prepare.
Elsewhere, ships were slipping beneath the waves.
MFOHMFOHMFOHMFOH
Bringers of destruction are ravaging the land
Fury of the bombers, a force to reckon
Set the world on fire, then turn to strike again
Flames are burning higher; the bombs keep falling
AA guns are blazin’ as the sky is turning red
Better run to cover, you’ll be quick or be dead[/i]
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Post by redrobin65 on Jun 7, 2018 3:44:21 GMT
April 8th, German Schleswig-Holstein
The German Hoheres Kommando XXXI (HK31 for short) was preparing to invade Denmark. It consisted of the 170th and 198th Infantry Divisions with the 11th Schutzen Brigade attached. Elements of the 198th Division would conduct air and naval landings, but most of HK31 was land based. So far, their plans had gone unmolested, aiming to attack on the 9th.
That was about to change.
433 Tactical Fighter Squadron, RCAF, had come a very long way from CFB Bagotville in Quebec. They had arrived at Kenley in the UK on March 19th. Right now, the fifteen CF-18 Hornets of 433 TFS, along with twelve from 439 TFS, were about to attack German positions in Schleswig-Holstein.
Eight Hornets fired sixteen AGM-65G Maverick missiles at five Luftwaffe airfields. Thanks to satellite data, the Canadians knew exactly where to send their planes. The German airfields were packed with aircraft preparing for the next day’s operations, a move that would prove disastrous. People living in the German countryside heard the roar of jets and saw some of the impacts. Missiles slammed into runways, creating huge craters and sending shrapnel everywhere that tore into aircraft made from wood and canvas. Each airfield also received one 2000lb JDAM. AA guns fired blindly and hit nothing but an unlucky sparrow.
More bombs were dropped on German troop positions near the Danish border. Though this caused chaos and killed many members of HK31, Hornets weren’t A-10s. Some armoured vehicles were knocked out, but not whole swathes of them. However, a CF-18 from 439 THS piloted by Lieutenant Emily Carlson dropped a pair of unguided Mk. 82 500 lb bombs on the 170th Infantry Division headquarters, killing its commander Generalleutnant Walter Wittke and all but one of his staff.
The air raid had severely damaged five airfields, destroyed 174 aircraft, and killed 2,109 members of the Luftwaffe and Wehrmacht. Moreover, it delayed the invasion of Denmark, giving the Danes more time to prepare.
Elsewhere, ships were slipping beneath the waves.
MFOHMFOHMFOHMFOH
Bringers of destruction are ravaging the land
Fury of the bombers, a force to reckon
Set the world on fire, then turn to strike again
Flames are burning higher; the bombs keep falling
AA guns are blazin’ as the sky is turning red
Better run to cover, you’ll be quick or be dead [/i] [/quote] |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 7, 2018 3:47:17 GMT
April 8th, German Schleswig-Holstein
The German Hoheres Kommando XXXI (HK31 for short) was preparing to invade Denmark. It consisted of the 170th and 198th Infantry Divisions with the 11th Schutzen Brigade attached. Elements of the 198th Division would conduct air and naval landings, but most of HK31 was land based. So far, their plans had gone unmolested, aiming to attack on the 9th.
That was about to change.
433 Tactical Fighter Squadron, RCAF, had come a very long way from CFB Bagotville in Quebec. They had arrived at Kenley in the UK on March 19th. Right now, the fifteen CF-18 Hornets of 433 TFS, along with twelve from 439 TFS, were about to attack German positions in Schleswig-Holstein.
Eight Hornets fired sixteen AGM-65G Maverick missiles at five Luftwaffe airfields. Thanks to satellite data, the Canadians knew exactly where to send their planes. The German airfields were packed with aircraft preparing for the next day’s operations, a move that would prove disastrous. People living in the German countryside heard the roar of jets and saw some of the impacts. Missiles slammed into runways, creating huge craters and sending shrapnel everywhere that tore into aircraft made from wood and canvas. Each airfield also received one 2000lb JDAM. AA guns fired blindly and hit nothing but an unlucky sparrow.
More bombs were dropped on German troop positions near the Danish border. Though this caused chaos and killed many members of HK31, Hornets weren’t A-10s. Some armoured vehicles were knocked out, but not whole swathes of them. However, a CF-18 from 439 THS piloted by Lieutenant Emily Carlson dropped a pair unguided Mk. 82 500 lb bombs on the 170th Infantry Division headquarters, killing its commander Generalleutnant Walter Wittke and all but one of his staff.
The air raid had severely damaged five airfields, destroyed 174 aircraft, and killed 2,109 members of the Luftwaffe and Wehrmacht. Moreover, it delayed the invasion of Denmark, giving the Danes more time to prepare.
Elsewhere, ships were slipping beneath the waves.
MFOHMFOHMFOHMFOH
Bringers of destruction are ravaging the land
Fury of the bombers, a force to reckon
Set the world on fire, then turn to strike again
Flames are burning higher; the bombs keep falling
AA guns are blazin’ as the sky is turning red
Better run to cover, you’ll be quick or be dead Nice update redrobin65 , question, as missilies like Mavericks are not produced in Canada, will we see CRV7 rocket pods being used more on the F-18, if i am correct, the CRV7s are made in Canada and are a easy thing to use against German ground targets, especially when a F-18 carries four of these pods. |
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Post by redrobin65 on Jun 7, 2018 4:16:13 GMT
April 8th, German Schleswig-Holstein
The German Hoheres Kommando XXXI (HK31 for short) was preparing to invade Denmark. It consisted of the 170th and 198th Infantry Divisions with the 11th Schutzen Brigade attached. Elements of the 198th Division would conduct air and naval landings, but most of HK31 was land based. So far, their plans had gone unmolested, aiming to attack on the 9th.
That was about to change.
433 Tactical Fighter Squadron, RCAF, had come a very long way from CFB Bagotville in Quebec. They had arrived at Kenley in the UK on March 19th. Right now, the fifteen CF-18 Hornets of 433 TFS, along with twelve from 439 TFS, were about to attack German positions in Schleswig-Holstein.
Eight Hornets fired sixteen AGM-65G Maverick missiles at five Luftwaffe airfields. Thanks to satellite data, the Canadians knew exactly where to send their planes. The German airfields were packed with aircraft preparing for the next day’s operations, a move that would prove disastrous. People living in the German countryside heard the roar of jets and saw some of the impacts. Missiles slammed into runways, creating huge craters and sending shrapnel everywhere that tore into aircraft made from wood and canvas. Each airfield also received one 2000lb JDAM. AA guns fired blindly and hit nothing but an unlucky sparrow.
More bombs were dropped on German troop positions near the Danish border. Though this caused chaos and killed many members of HK31, Hornets weren’t A-10s. Some armoured vehicles were knocked out, but not whole swathes of them. However, a CF-18 from 439 THS piloted by Lieutenant Emily Carlson dropped a pair unguided Mk. 82 500 lb bombs on the 170th Infantry Division headquarters, killing its commander Generalleutnant Walter Wittke and all but one of his staff.
The air raid had severely damaged five airfields, destroyed 174 aircraft, and killed 2,109 members of the Luftwaffe and Wehrmacht. Moreover, it delayed the invasion of Denmark, giving the Danes more time to prepare.
Elsewhere, ships were slipping beneath the waves.
MFOHMFOHMFOHMFOH
Bringers of destruction are ravaging the land
Fury of the bombers, a force to reckon
Set the world on fire, then turn to strike again
Flames are burning higher; the bombs keep falling
AA guns are blazin’ as the sky is turning red
Better run to cover, you’ll be quick or be dead Nice update redrobin65 , question, as missilies like Mavericks are not produced in Canada, will we see CRV7 rocket pods being used more on the F-18, if i am correct, the CRV7s are made in Canada and are a easy thing to use against German ground targets, especially when a F-18 carries four of these pods. We will see the CRV7 in action!The Mavericks will be husbanded by the RCAF until they can figure out how to replicate it. The raid was also a test to see how they would do against groups of aircraft. |
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Post by James G on Jun 7, 2018 11:24:55 GMT
Ships were slipping beneath the waves...
Canadian subs in action? Or intel passed to the Royal Navy?
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Post by lordroel on Jun 7, 2018 15:18:24 GMT
Ships were slipping beneath the waves... Canadian subs in action? Or intel passed to the Royal Navy? Canada only has 4 Victoria-class submarines, if they are the subs mention in the post then the Kriegsmarine will be in for a very hard time, as the Victoria's are armed with 18 Mark 48 torpedoes each. |
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Post by stevep on Jun 7, 2018 15:22:46 GMT
redrobin65
A couple of good updates but I'm a bit curious about the fact there seems to be no butterflies in Nazi Germany. I can't see it being kept secret that something very dramatic has changed in Canada and very likely there will be reports that a new Canada has come in from the future. At the very least the German consulate in the US will have seen some support. While its true that many in Europe would find this hard to believe you could also have Nazi agents and sympathisers in Europe reporting on the reports of Canadian troops and equipment arriving and possibly also actions by local forces and politicians. This will give some clear evidence that something is up and at least the allies should consider that German plans might be affected. True it looks like they haven't and with modern technology the allies have easy access to German codes and other intelligence assets.
If the attack on Denmark has been delayed then either the attack on Norway is going to be delayed or it going to be in very deep s**t. Both because the allies will be prepared for it, as well probably at least some of the Norwegians and because the Germans will lack support from bases in occupied Denmark. If the attack goes ahead its likely to fail totally and at the least the forces going for Narvik, including the twins supporting them are going to be totally destroyed.
In terms of the fighting on the main front, presuming the German attacks start as OTL it won't be easy but the Canadians have hopefully done a lot already to prepare the allies. If their able to get better communications for the main allied units and intelligence gathering to give details on the German movements then the allies should be able to inside the German decision cycle, or at least avoid being outside their own, which was much of the problem OTL. This should be practical with the modern computing available to the allies and also the information gathering from modern a/c of the CAF. This would mean that the down-time allied forces can be in position to block the German attacks rather than continually having to try and respond to German breakthroughs. Even some more capable downtime forces at Sedan and preferably also some delaying forces in or near to the Ardennes would greatly stall the German attack and turn it into repeated frontal assaults. Coupled with attacks on the long lines of German forces in the stalled sickle attack, both by modern Canadian a/c and also possibly downtime a/c aided and given air cover by Canadian fighters. If their able to get some proximity fuses for AA guns and also possibly for artillery units into production, coupled with intel supplying the artillery especially with accurate targeting information this would further increase the efficientness of downtime allied forces. Also if the Canadians especially can target military HQ units and commanders along that could further cause problems for the Germans, although they are better able to counter this than most armies.
A further option is that carefully planned targeting of strategic facilities in Germany, although hindered by the German alliance with the Soviets, could do a lot of damage. However I wouldn't do this until a German offensive in the west is either defeated or obviously delayed/canceled. In part to give time for maximum resources to be applied quickly and also to avoid displaying their hand to the Germans.
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Post by stevep on Jun 7, 2018 15:43:06 GMT
Ships were slipping beneath the waves... Canadian subs in action? Or intel passed to the Royal Navy?
Could be both, although if a couple of Canadian boats were available then I suspect the twins escorting the Narvik landing force would be the primary target. Getting ride the twins would reduce the raiding threat considerably and by the time Bismarck becomes available Canadian tech transfers and aid should make any raiding mission by it or other large ships pretty much suicidal.
It would probably be more difficult to intercept the German forces landing in southern Norway, especially since some of them came by air, although if possible and combined with better preparation by the Norwegians could be even more profitable in protecting Norway from a successful German invasion.
Of course a lot depends on how much the Norwegians have been told and how successful they have both reacted to such information and kept such reactions from the Nazis and their supporters in Norway. It could end up as a total massacre of the German invasion forces if everything goes well but that would need a lot of favourable chances. Also such a stunning defeat would be an eye opener which is likely to drastically alter German reactions. At the very least its likely that news of a Canada from the future is likely to be taken far more seriously and as such anything the Germans are planning is likely to be known to the allies, let alone technological advantages.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 7, 2018 16:11:45 GMT
Ships were slipping beneath the waves... Canadian subs in action? Or intel passed to the Royal Navy?
Of course a lot depends on how much the Norwegians have been told and how successful they have both reacted to such information and kept such reactions from the Nazis and their supporters in Norway. It could end up as a total massacre of the German invasion forces if everything goes well but that would need a lot of favourable chances. Also such a stunning defeat would be an eye opener which is likely to drastically alter German reactions. At the very least its likely that news of a Canada from the future is likely to be taken far more seriously and as such anything the Germans are planning is likely to be known to the allies, let alone technological advantages.
Well i think the Norwegians if told will still sink the Blücher at the Battle of Drøbak Sound, maybe even sinking ore damaging the Lützow with mines as the naval mines that where supposed to be protecting the Oslofjord where not deployed yet on April 9th 1940, but that might be different with the 2018 Norwegian military attache in Canada informing his 1939 counterparts in Norway about this and other matters of importance. |
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Post by redrobin65 on Jun 7, 2018 17:43:21 GMT
April 8th, 63 km southwest of Trondheim, Norway
KMS Admiral Hipper and the destroyers Paul Jakobi, Theodor Riedel, Bruno Heinemann and Friedrich Eckoldt were on their way to Trondheim. They were going to land 1,700 troops from the 3rd Mountain Division, who would conquer the town.
HMCS Chicoutimi had been lurking in the fjords for two days now, waiting for warships and transports to arrive. As expected, Transport Group (Sao Paulo, Main, Levante) had arrived first and was engaged by the Canadian submarine.
Each vessel was targeted by one Mk. 48 torpedo. Designed to sink nuclear submarines and heavy surface ships, they performed well against the transports. All three were sunk with heavy loss of life among the German sailors and soldiers.
An hour later, the proximity fuses on two Mk.48 torpedoes activated under the Admiral Hipper. She exploded, broke in half and sank within minutes. The destroyer Theodor Rieder was also hit, leaving the other three destroyers to speed up and race towards Trondheim.
MFOHMFOHMFOHMFOH
On April 9th, Germany launched a land, sea and air invasion of Norway, which was ultimately unsuccessful.
Due to the loss of most of their men and fire support, the Trondheim operation failed. Only one company with the division headquarters landed at Trondheim and were promptly engaged and defeated by the Norwegian 12th Infantry Regiment. The three destroyers were all sunk by the Royal Norwegian Navy with the support of coastal artillery.
West of the Vestfjorden at 7:34 AM, the battleships Scharnhorst and Gneisenau accompanied by ten destroyers were attacked by the RN and RCN on their way to Narvik. Eight of the destroyers were sunk by the RCN frigates Calgary, Halifax and Montreal, while the ‘Twins’ were engaged by RN battlecruiser Repulse, battleships Resolution, Rodney, Warspite and Valiant, aircraft carrier Ark Royal, RCN frigate St. John’s and seven destroyers. The resulting battle saw both German BBs sunk with minor damage inflicted on Repulse. The remaining two destroyers and the cargo and transport ships nearby surrendered.
Kriegsmarine Warship Group Three (Koln, Konigsberg, Bremse, with torpedo boats and transport ships) heading to Bergen was attacked by British aircraft from HMS Furious and HMS Glorious, sinking Koln and a transport. Nonetheless, they managed to land most of the 69th Infantry Division which initiated a brutal battle with the alerted Norwegian 4th Infantry Division.
The Norwegian destroyer Eger sank the German transport Roda as it approached Stavanger.
KMS Karlsruhe, part of Warship Group Four (Kristiansand/Arendal), was sunk by the RN submarine Truant when was on its way to its objective. The remaining torpedo boats, sloops and transports were damaged or sunk by Norwegian aircraft. The last sloop raised the white flag.
The cruisers Blucher, Lutzow, and Emden were all torpedoed outside the Oslofjord by HMCS Corner Brook, essentially destroying the vast majority of the landing force. The sloops that remained tried to push in but were driven back when S17 was sunk by shore-based gunfire.
Warship Group Seven managed to land most of its troops, but only after a sloop was sunk and the old pre-dreadnought Schleswig-Holstein was seriously damaged by a daring British submarine.
Warship Group Eight (which didn’t actually have any warships) was destroyed in port by 401 Tactical Fighter Squadron, RCAF.
Overall, the Kriegsmarine, Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe suffered devastating losses in equipment and manpower during Operation WESERBUNG. Over the course of nine days, the few German troops in Norway either surrendered or were destroyed by Norwegian, British, French or Polish troops.
German casualties were horrendous: 37,000 killed, 9,000 wounded, 14,500 prisoners. The Allies suffered 900 dead and 1,223 wounded.
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Post by stevep on Jun 7, 2018 18:00:51 GMT
Very effective. The question now is what impact this has on German plans for the attack on the west? I suspect they will still go ahead as there will be pressure to win some battle after such a disaster in Norway. However the level of the defeat will also raise concerns about what might be waiting for them.
The total losses are relatively insignificant in terms of the total German armed forces. However the fact the invasion has lost virtually the totality of the forces will be a shock. Probably far more importantly a large proportion of the available KM has gone glug which greatly reduced the threat to the allied shipping lines. Even if the Germans switch heavily to submarines the allies will still have huge advantages geographically and in terms of resources, as well as knowledge the up timers will bring in while the Germans will have lost a lot of trained manpower.
What happens with Denmark? The German attack was delayed but I suspect it would still go ahead and difficult to see the allies being able to defend the country while the Germans, after the failure of the attack on Norway will probably be even more determined to conquer Denmark and close the straits to the Baltic. As well as put any allied presence in Norway at a greater distance by having Denmark as a buffer.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 7, 2018 18:16:44 GMT
April 8th, 63 km southwest of Trondheim, Norway
KMS Admiral Hipper and the destroyers Paul Jakobi, Theodor Riedel, Bruno Heinemann and Friedrich Eckoldt were on their way to Trondheim. They were going to land 1,700 troops from the 3rd Mountain Division, who would conquer the town.
HMCS Chicoutimi had been lurking in the fjords for two days now, waiting for warships and transports to arrive. As expected, Transport Group (Sao Paulo, Main, Levante) had arrived first and was engaged by the Canadian submarine.
Each vessel was targeted by one Mk. 48 torpedo. Designed to sink nuclear submarines and heavy surface ships, they performed well against the transports. All three were sunk with heavy loss of life among the German sailors and soldiers.
An hour later, the proximity fuses on two Mk.48 torpedoes activated under the Admiral Hipper. She exploded, broke in half and sank within minutes. The destroyer Theodor Rieder was also hit, leaving the other three destroyers to speed up and race towards Trondheim.
MFOHMFOHMFOHMFOH
On April 9th, Germany launched a land, sea and air invasion of Norway, which was ultimately unsuccessful.
Due to the loss of most of their men and fire support, the Trondheim operation failed. Only one company with the division headquarters landed at Trondheim and were promptly engaged and defeated by the Norwegian 12th Infantry Regiment. The three destroyers were all sunk by the Royal Norwegian Navy with the support of coastal artillery.
West of the Vestfjorden at 7:34 AM, the battleships Scharnhorst and Gneisenau accompanied by ten destroyers were attacked by the RN and RCN on their way to Narvik. Eight of the destroyers were sunk by the RCN frigates Calgary, Halifax and Montreal, while the ‘Twins’ were engaged by RN battlecruiser Repulse, battleships Resolution, Rodney, Warspite and Valiant, aircraft carrier Ark Royal, RCN frigate St. John’s and seven destroyers. The resulting battle saw both German BBs sunk with minor damage inflicted on Repulse. The remaining two destroyers and the cargo and transport ships nearby surrendered.
Kriegsmarine Warship Group Three (Koln, Konigsberg, Bremse, with torpedo boats and transport ships) heading to Bergen was attacked by British aircraft from HMS Furious and HMS Glorious, sinking Koln and a transport. Nonetheless, they managed to land most of the 69th Infantry Division which initiated a brutal battle with the alerted Norwegian 4th Infantry Division.
The Norwegian destroyer Eger sank the German transport Roda as it approached Stavanger.
KMS Karlsruhe, part of Warship Group Four (Kristiansand/Arendal), was sunk by the RN submarine Truant when was on its way to its objective. The remaining torpedo boats, sloops and transports were damaged or sunk by Norwegian aircraft. The last sloop raised the white flag.
The cruisers Blucher, Lutzow, and Emden were all torpedoed outside the Oslofjord by HMCS Corner Brook, essentially destroying the vast majority of the landing force. The sloops that remained tried to push in but were driven back when S17 was sunk by shore-based gunfire.
Warship Group Seven managed to land most of its troops, but only after a sloop was sunk and the old pre-dreadnought Schleswig-Holstein was seriously damaged by a daring British submarine.
Warship Group Eight (which didn’t actually have any warships) was destroyed in port by 401 Tactical Fighter Squadron, RCAF.
Overall, the Kriegsmarine, Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe suffered devastating losses in equipment and manpower during Operation WESERBUNG. Over the course of nine days, the few German troops in Norway either surrendered or were destroyed by Norwegian, British, French or Polish troops.
German casualties were horrendous: 37,000 killed, 9,000 wounded, 14,500 prisoners. The Allies suffered 900 dead and 1,223 wounded.
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