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Post by Zyobot on Feb 7, 2020 18:54:23 GMT
I'm not an expert on patent law though. You can bet there will be experts though, raking it in with costly legal cases. An ISOT: a lawyers dream. True. While we’re at, what about other forms of IP like copyrights and trademarks? The former, I think, would be especially hard to hash out due mainly to the internet that the uptimers have brought with them—complete with derivative works and liberal interpretations of fair use galore that netizens freely share and interact with on a twenty-four/seven basis. Of course, trademarks can be genericized over time, though they’d probably take a backseat compared to attempts to reconcile digital media with downtimer copyrights. |
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Post by redrobin65 on Feb 7, 2020 20:53:27 GMT
You can bet there will be experts though, raking it in with costly legal cases. An ISOT: a lawyers dream. True. While we’re at, what about other forms of IP like copyrights and trademarks? The former, I think, would be especially hard to hash out due mainly to the internet that the uptimers have brought with them—complete with derivative works and liberal interpretations of fair use galore that netizens freely share and interact with on a twenty-four/seven basis. Of course, trademarks can be genericized over time, though they’d probably take a backseat compared to attempts to reconcile digital media with downtimer copyrights. You're correct that copyright would be a nightmare, especially the closer to the ISOT date you get. Trademarks would probably be easier. |
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Post by Zyobot on Feb 7, 2020 21:28:01 GMT
True. While we’re at, what about other forms of IP like copyrights and trademarks? The former, I think, would be especially hard to hash out due mainly to the internet that the uptimers have brought with them—complete with derivative works and liberal interpretations of fair use galore that netizens freely share and interact with on a twenty-four/seven basis. Of course, trademarks can be genericized over time, though they’d probably take a backseat compared to attempts to reconcile digital media with downtimer copyrights. You're correct that copyright would be a nightmare, especially the closer to the ISOT date you get. Trademarks would probably be easier. Oh, I’ll bet. Of course, I doubt that Canada would be receptive to implementing Article 13-style legislation, though it’d likely have to broaden and beef up its policing of online content to appease foreign creators. I speculate that for the first while before the Canadian government fully moves to conducting IP negotiations with downtimer powers, netizens keen on saving content now eligible for copyright strikes will be copying, downloading and archiving away before ‘40s people fully realize what the internet is what it’s often used for (which does, of course, include rampant IP infringement). Speaking of which, maybe a chapter or section of the story that at least touches upon IP disputes might be something worth covering, as a suggestion of mine. |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 7, 2020 21:38:21 GMT
Speaking of which, maybe a chapter or section of the story that at least touches upon IP disputes might be something worth covering, as a suggestion of mine. Think it is more intersting to see what is going to happen next on the battlefield then the legal battle in the courtroom. I wonder if there might be a coup in Germany, like a early version of the 20 July plot, but then successful. |
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Post by redrobin65 on Feb 8, 2020 1:09:28 GMT
You're correct that copyright would be a nightmare, especially the closer to the ISOT date you get. Trademarks would probably be easier. Oh, I’ll bet. Of course, I doubt that Canada would be receptive to implementing Article 13-style legislation, though it’d likely have to broaden and beef up its policing of online content to appease foreign creators. I speculate that for the first while before the Canadian government fully moves to conducting IP negotiations with downtimer powers, netizens keen on saving content now eligible for copyright strikes will be copying, downloading and archiving away before ‘40s people fully realize what the internet is what it’s often used for (which does, of course, include rampant IP infringement). Speaking of which, maybe a chapter or section of the story that at least touches upon IP disputes might be something worth covering, as a suggestion of mine. An IP/legal chapter will definitely come. |
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Post by Zyobot on Feb 8, 2020 1:32:33 GMT
Oh, I’ll bet. Of course, I doubt that Canada would be receptive to implementing Article 13-style legislation, though it’d likely have to broaden and beef up its policing of online content to appease foreign creators. I speculate that for the first while before the Canadian government fully moves to conducting IP negotiations with downtimer powers, netizens keen on saving content now eligible for copyright strikes will be copying, downloading and archiving away before ‘40s people fully realize what the internet is what it’s often used for (which does, of course, include rampant IP infringement). Speaking of which, maybe a chapter or section of the story that at least touches upon IP disputes might be something worth covering, as a suggestion of mine. An IP/legal chapter will definitely come. I look forward to that. Oh, what a reaction we'll get from the '40s crowd once they grow to understand not only what the deal with this 'internet' doohickey is, but also the law-circumventing activities that it can be used for by the more...unethical members of the Canadian netizenry. |
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Post by stevep on Feb 8, 2020 10:25:47 GMT
An IP/legal chapter will definitely come. I look forward to that. Oh, what a reaction we'll get from the '40s crowd once they grow to understand not only what the deal with this 'internet' doohickey is, but also the law-circumventing activities that it can be used for by the more...unethical members of the Canadian netizenry.
Very likely. Mind you who's laws will apply. Canada could claim that actions of its citizens in Canada would come under Canadian 2020 law which would very likely be far more appropriate for such discussions than any 1941 legislation which has no aspects really applying to issues such as the internet and its capability.
Of course your also got issues of property rights, international debts and the like. I suspect that the easiest way to avoid this is any Canadian assets in the 1941 world come under the control of the local government - other than personal property i.e. houses, businesses etc of down-time Canadians living in 1941 countries, Canadian ships at sea and ditto with non-Canadian assets in 2018 Canada. Not sure what happens with international debts however.
However agree with Lordroel I'm more interested in what's happening in the war and also other international events. However a chapter on the legal issues would definitely be interesting.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 8, 2020 10:56:10 GMT
I look forward to that. Oh, what a reaction we'll get from the '40s crowd once they grow to understand not only what the deal with this 'internet' doohickey is, but also the law-circumventing activities that it can be used for by the more...unethical members of the Canadian netizenry. Very likely. Mind you who's laws will apply. Canada could claim that actions of its citizens in Canada would come under Canadian 2020 law which would very likely be far more appropriate for such discussions than any 1941 legislation which has no aspects really applying to issues such as the internet and its capability. Of course your also got issues of property rights, international debts and the like. I suspect that the easiest way to avoid this is any Canadian assets in the 1941 world come under the control of the local government - other than personal property i.e. houses, businesses etc of down-time Canadians living in 1941 countries, Canadian ships at sea and ditto with non-Canadian assets in 2018 Canada. Not sure what happens with international debts however.
However agree with Lordroel I'm more interested in what's happening in the war and also other international events. However a chapter on the legal issues would definitely be interesting. Steve
I wonder how Hitler is doing, he is most likely i think hiding in the Wolf's Lair, but that is for redrobin65, to confirm. |
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Post by Zyobot on Feb 8, 2020 20:02:18 GMT
Very likely. Mind you who's laws will apply. Canada could claim that actions of its citizens in Canada would come under Canadian 2020 law which would very likely be far more appropriate for such discussions than any 1941 legislation which has no aspects really applying to issues such as the internet and its capability. Of course your also got issues of property rights, international debts and the like. I suspect that the easiest way to avoid this is any Canadian assets in the 1941 world come under the control of the local government - other than personal property i.e. houses, businesses etc of down-time Canadians living in 1941 countries, Canadian ships at sea and ditto with non-Canadian assets in 2018 Canada. Not sure what happens with international debts however.
However agree with Lordroel I'm more interested in what's happening in the war and also other international events. However a chapter on the legal issues would definitely be interesting. Steve
I wonder how Hitler is doing, he is most likely i think hiding in the Wolf's Lair, but that is for redrobin65 , to confirm. Well, given what modern spying and surveillance technology can do, I'm skeptical that he'll remain hidden for long. Especially when the location and specifications of at least OTL's version of Wolf's Lair can be searched with a query and click of a button by the Average Joe, never mind what Canadian intelligence and military forces can do. Maybe if they want to get it over with instead of capturing him alive so that he can stand trial this time, they'll take Der Fuhrer out with an ultra-precise drone strike. Those, I think, would be especially unnerving for Wehrmacht forces already being battered by Canadian firepower, though whether their far more fanatical SS colleagues would share in that crepitating fear, I'm unsure. |
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Post by stevep on Feb 8, 2020 22:44:02 GMT
The advantage of killing Hitler in this scenario is that it would decapitate what's left of the enemy and quite probably prompt a massive struggle for control of both the Nazi Party and what's left of the state. Which might be the final straw in getting a lot of the generals to rebel and a lot of the remaining soldiers to realise the best option was deserting/surrender.
True the SS fanatics will probably fight even harder but their pretty few in numbers now so I suspect that wouldn't be that great an issue.
The only reason for not targeting Hitler would be setting a precedent for assassination of a political leader, which would be a matter of concern possibly.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 9, 2020 8:55:31 GMT
[/div][/quote] It also depends, does the Wehrmacht ore SS have best forces left to launch a coup if Hitler is killed. |
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Post by stevep on Feb 9, 2020 15:07:52 GMT
[/quote] It also depends, does the Wehrmacht ore SS have best forces left to launch a coup if Hitler is killed. [/quote][/div]
The army might have the strength for a coup but there is also the probability of chaos as assorted top Nazis struggle for power.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 9, 2020 16:07:04 GMT
It also depends, does the Wehrmacht ore SS have best forces left to launch a coup if Hitler is killed. [/quote][/div] The army might have the strength for a coup but there is also the probability of chaos as assorted top Nazis struggle for power.
[/quote] The last thing the Germans need is a civil War, Stalin will see that as a very good opportunity to liberate German occupied Poland. |
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Post by lordroel on Mar 22, 2020 9:19:57 GMT
Congratulations redrobin65 on winning in the 2020 L. Sprague de Camp Awards in the category of Best Future History/ASB Timelines. It surprises me you where not nominated on AH.com in the 2020 Turtledoves - Sergeant Heretic Award (Best ASB). |
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