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Post by mullauna on Mar 8, 2018 0:40:01 GMT
The territory of Austria-Hungary, as it existed on the day before Franz Ferdinand left for Sarajevo, is ISOT'd to the same day thirty years later in 1944.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 8, 2018 3:46:34 GMT
The territory of Austria-Hungary, as it existed on the day before Franz Ferdinand left for Sarajevo, is ISOT'd to the same day thirty years later in 1944. Thoughts? Wonder how the Germans and the Soviets are going to respond to this event. |
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Post by stevep on Mar 8, 2018 13:09:00 GMT
The territory of Austria-Hungary, as it existed on the day before Franz Ferdinand left for Sarajevo, is ISOT'd to the same day thirty years later in 1944. Thoughts? Wonder how the Germans and the Soviets are going to respond to this event. Not well I fear.  Also the Romanians will be unhappy at the loss of Transylvania but that would be a relatively minor problem for the empire as it has two powerful and ruthless dictatorships tearing up much of eastern Europe and their suddenly in the middle of it. If Stalin was willing to accept its existence - which is pretty unlikely since apart from anything else it has some territory he had claimed - it would be a big gain for the allies in general including Russia. The loss of the AH empire means that the Nazis and Romania/Bulgaria and occupied territories in the Balkans are largely isolated from the Nazi core territory as well as losing areas like Austria itself and Bohemia, which were important industrial centres. Similarly their now isolated, apart from by a round about route through France which their going to lose soon, from their forces and remaining Italian fascist allies, in northern Italy. As such I can see a German invasion even if the Soviets didn't attack and the 1914 techology Austrians, apart from the initial confusion would I fear be unable to do much to stop them. Especially since the army was pretty poorly lead and organised at the time and the Slavic population wouldn't realise the full danger for them from the Nazis. |
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Post by lordroel on Mar 8, 2018 14:32:50 GMT
Wonder how the Germans and the Soviets are going to respond to this event. Not well I fear. Also the Romanians will be unhappy at the loss of Transylvania but that would be a relatively minor problem for the empire as it has two powerful and ruthless dictatorships tearing up much of eastern Europe and their suddenly in the middle of it. If Stalin was willing to accept its existence - which is pretty unlikely since apart from anything else it has some territory he had claimed - it would be a big gain for the allies in general including Russia. The loss of the AH empire means that the Nazis and Romania/Bulgaria and occupied territories in the Balkans are largely isolated from the Nazi core territory as well as losing areas like Austria itself and Bohemia, which were important industrial centres. Similarly their now isolated, apart from by a round about route through France which their going to lose soon, from their forces and remaining Italian fascist allies, in northern Italy. As such I can see a German invasion even if the Soviets didn't attack and the 1914 techology Austrians, apart from the initial confusion would I fear be unable to do much to stop them. Especially since the army was pretty poorly lead and organised at the time and the Slavic population wouldn't realise the full danger for them from the Nazis. Wonder if the Allies in Italy can deploy troop to AH and if the old Kaiser will choice between Germany ore the Allies. |
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Post by stevep on Mar 8, 2018 15:20:21 GMT
Not well I fear. Also the Romanians will be unhappy at the loss of Transylvania but that would be a relatively minor problem for the empire as it has two powerful and ruthless dictatorships tearing up much of eastern Europe and their suddenly in the middle of it. If Stalin was willing to accept its existence - which is pretty unlikely since apart from anything else it has some territory he had claimed - it would be a big gain for the allies in general including Russia. The loss of the AH empire means that the Nazis and Romania/Bulgaria and occupied territories in the Balkans are largely isolated from the Nazi core territory as well as losing areas like Austria itself and Bohemia, which were important industrial centres. Similarly their now isolated, apart from by a round about route through France which their going to lose soon, from their forces and remaining Italian fascist allies, in northern Italy. As such I can see a German invasion even if the Soviets didn't attack and the 1914 techology Austrians, apart from the initial confusion would I fear be unable to do much to stop them. Especially since the army was pretty poorly lead and organised at the time and the Slavic population wouldn't realise the full danger for them from the Nazis. Wonder if the Allies in Italy can deploy troop to AH and if the old Kaiser will choice between Germany ore the Allies. I think if he had a chance than Franz Joseph would definitely choose the western allies. Both as the only group that would be willing to let his nation exist and because both the Nazis and the Soviets he would find utterly repugnant. However I doubt he would have much time to do so. Also at this point the allies are still only in central Italy and their just committed their main forces to the battle for France. They could, if they accept what's happening and respond quickly ship the forces used in Operation Dragoon OTL and possibly scrape some units up from Italy and elsewhere to send a force into AH but I doubt they could arrive before either the Germans or the Soviets. |
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Post by lordroel on Mar 8, 2018 15:25:06 GMT
Wonder if the Allies in Italy can deploy troop to AH and if the old Kaiser will choice between Germany ore the Allies. I think if he had a chance than Franz Joseph would definitely choose the western allies. Both as the only group that would be willing to let his nation exist and because both the Nazis and the Soviets he would find utterly repugnant. However I doubt he would have much time to do so. Also at this point the allies are still only in central Italy and their just committed their main forces to the battle for France. They could, if they accept what's happening and respond quickly ship the forces used in Operation Dragoon OTL and possibly scrape some units up from Italy and elsewhere to send a force into AH but I doubt they could arrive before either the Germans or the Soviets. Would the AH navy be of some use to secure the Adriatic Sea ad thus allow the Allies to move troops into AH as you suggested, but you are right the Allies are committed to Operation Overlord which is almost 22 days in progress. |
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Post by stevep on Mar 8, 2018 20:48:05 GMT
I think if he had a chance than Franz Joseph would definitely choose the western allies. Both as the only group that would be willing to let his nation exist and because both the Nazis and the Soviets he would find utterly repugnant. However I doubt he would have much time to do so. Also at this point the allies are still only in central Italy and their just committed their main forces to the battle for France. They could, if they accept what's happening and respond quickly ship the forces used in Operation Dragoon OTL and possibly scrape some units up from Italy and elsewhere to send a force into AH but I doubt they could arrive before either the Germans or the Soviets. Would the AH navy be of some use to secure the Adriatic Sea ad thus allow the Allies to move troops into AH as you suggested, but you are right the Allies are committed to Operation Overlord which is almost 22 days in progress. Not really as its totally obsolete by 44, especially in terms of air defence and protection against subs and not particularly in great condition. |
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Post by lordroel on Mar 8, 2018 20:53:22 GMT
Would the AH navy be of some use to secure the Adriatic Sea ad thus allow the Allies to move troops into AH as you suggested, but you are right the Allies are committed to Operation Overlord which is almost 22 days in progress. Not really as its totally obsolete by 44, especially in terms of air defence and protection against subs and not particularly in great condition. Yes was thinking that as well, in 1914 AA was not so important for naval ships as they where 30 years later. |
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Also the Romanians will be unhappy at the loss of Transylvania but that would be a relatively minor problem for the empire as it has two powerful and ruthless dictatorships tearing up much of eastern Europe and their suddenly in the middle of it.