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Post by patrick1978 on Feb 23, 2018 8:11:56 GMT
In response to draft dodgers fleeing to Canada during the Vietnam War, the CIA assigns multiple operatives to go there, kidnap any draft dodger they find, and ship them back to the U.S. with a simple choice to stand trial or enlist.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 23, 2018 8:12:48 GMT
In response to draft dodgers fleeing to Canada during the Vietnam War, the CIA assigns multiple operatives to go there, kidnap any draft dodger they find, and ship them back to the U.S. with a simple choice to stand trial or enlist. And upset relations with Canada. |
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Post by patrick1978 on Feb 23, 2018 8:16:06 GMT
In response to draft dodgers fleeing to Canada during the Vietnam War, the CIA assigns multiple operatives to go there, kidnap any draft dodger they find, and ship them back to the U.S. with a simple choice to stand trial or enlist. And upset relations with Canada. This will assume that LBJ or Nixon simply don't care. |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 23, 2018 8:18:30 GMT
And upset relations with Canada. This will assume that LBJ or Nixon simply don't care. How do you think the CIA is going to kidnap 20,000 to 30,000 draft-eligible American who fled to Canada. |
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Post by stevep on Feb 23, 2018 11:30:28 GMT
This will assume that LBJ or Nixon simply don't care. How do you think the CIA is going to kidnap 20,000 to 30,000 draft-eligible American who fled to Canada. It would be impossible. Also it would probably mean a serious crisis between the US and Canada, with the latter being supported by Britain and probably most of NATO. Could result in the effective ending of the latter organisation, or at least the separation of the US from it. Which would be a huge butterfly. Also its going to be hugely divisive in the US itself with a lot of people angry at the US governments actions. Both because of its illegality and the alienation of allies and because many more would probably support the draft dodgers in opposition to the support of S Vietnam. |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 23, 2018 11:34:06 GMT
How do you think the CIA is going to kidnap 20,000 to 30,000 draft-eligible American who fled to Canada. It would be impossible. Also it would probably mean a serious crisis between the US and Canada, with the latter being supported by Britain and probably most of NATO. Could result in the effective ending of the latter organisation, or at least the separation of the US from it. Which would be a huge butterfly. Also its going to be hugely divisive in the US itself with a lot of people angry at the US governments actions. Both because of its illegality and the alienation of allies and because many more would probably support the draft dodgers in opposition to the support of S Vietnam. Yes and it could even end with a Commonwealth-American cold war with the British deploying the BAOC and some of the Commonwealth members the CFC in Canada, ore am i thinking to much ahead. |
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Post by patrick1978 on Feb 23, 2018 11:36:58 GMT
Nixon would be better off pushing for the induction of all kin to draft dodgers into the military regardless?
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Post by James G on Feb 23, 2018 12:00:20 GMT
By all accounts Nixon was a scumbag. He wouldn't do this though. Nor could he as president with checks & balances on him. The concept of kidnapping thousands of Americans from a friendly neighbour and/or forcibly drafting their next of kind is... madness. Utterly insane. Not ASB but just impossible.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 23, 2018 12:01:46 GMT
By all accounts Nixon was a scumbag. He wouldn't do this though. Nor could he as president with checks & balances on him. The concept of kidnapping thousands of Americans from a friendly neighbour and/or forcibly drafting their next of kind is... madness. Utterly insane. Not ASB but just impossible. It also would be the end of his presidency if the new ever came to surface, and we all know what happen to Nixon in OTL, this would be much worse for him. |
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Post by Dan on Feb 23, 2018 12:20:44 GMT
I think if there were any particularly famous/infamous draft dodgers, (imagine someone like John Lennon if they were American instead), then maybe on an individual basis "an independent bounty hunter & Patriot", not CIA honest guv, might try to lift one, maybe two people, but anything more than that starts becoming "Police State" territory and any politician openly supporting this makes themselves pretty much unelectable.
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Post by stevep on Feb 23, 2018 12:30:57 GMT
It would be impossible. Also it would probably mean a serious crisis between the US and Canada, with the latter being supported by Britain and probably most of NATO. Could result in the effective ending of the latter organisation, or at least the separation of the US from it. Which would be a huge butterfly. Also its going to be hugely divisive in the US itself with a lot of people angry at the US governments actions. Both because of its illegality and the alienation of allies and because many more would probably support the draft dodgers in opposition to the support of S Vietnam. Yes and it could even end with a Commonwealth-American cold war with the British deploying the BAOC and some of the Commonwealth members the CFC in Canada, ore am i thinking to much ahead. I doubt it would get that bad. However relations between Canada and the US would become very icy indeed. Given how many US installations are in Canadian territory it could take some unpleasant retaliation. I think Britain, while desperate to end the crisis, would support Canada because the US action is so extreme and illegal. |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 23, 2018 13:01:50 GMT
Yes and it could even end with a Commonwealth-American cold war with the British deploying the BAOC and some of the Commonwealth members the CFC in Canada, ore am i thinking to much ahead. I doubt it would get that bad. However relations between Canada and the US would become very icy indeed. Given how many US installations are in Canadian territory it could take some unpleasant retaliation. I think Britain, while desperate to end the crisis, would support Canada because the US action is so extreme and illegal. |
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